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My respond to Val's Mark Chapter 9 comment on 9/07/2013, 9:45pm: In 2 Corinthians 4:18 it says, "the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal". So when we talk about life in heaven then we mean "life eternal" and when we talk about death in hell then we mean "everlasting punishment". In Matthew 25:46 There are people who will go to life eternal but other people will go to everlasting punishment. Even in Daniel 12:2 it says, some shall awake to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. When we talk about fire where sinners are to be cast into we mean "everlasting fire" as it is written in Matthew 18:8. It is the same fire being mentioned in Jude 1:7 called "eternal fire" where sinners shall suffer. This kind of suffering is "eternal damnation" as it is written in Mark 3:29 and that is none other than "damnation of hell" which is written in Matthew 23:33. They that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation as it is written in John 5:29. Therefore this sinners shall be burned "eternally".

We all existed before this life as spirits ( Jeremiah 1:5). The angels that kept not their first estate refers to the spirits that followed Satan in open rebellion against God (See Revelations 12:7-11 and also 1 Adam and Eve 5:7 and 55:7-15). Everyone on the earth kept our first estate, many of us fought against Satan to help defeat him, and this Earth life is our second estate. Satan failed, so he and his followers are executing a backup plan, which is to get as many of us as possible to not keep our second estate (Revelations 12: 17).

Jude was the brother of Jesus, and this is what he said about him. "Look, the Lord (Jesus) is coming with thousands of his holy ones. He will bring the people of the world to judgment. He will convict the ungodly of all the evil things they have done in rebellion and of all the insults that godless sinners have spoken against him. Earlier he said of the angels that "God has kept them chained in prisons of darkness waiting for the day of judgment." This proves that Jesus and God are the same. Because it is Jesus, as God, who comes and judge the world.

It means further that Jesus cannot be a being less than God, or a being separate from God as many claim he is. This false teaching started early in Christianity, and continues until this day. Satan knows that if we lower Jesus to a subordinate position, we can't be saved.

Even the Jews of Jesus' day knew that only God can forgive sin. And since Jesus claimed to have such power, it was his way of saying that he was God. One of the most famous verses in the Bible supports this point: "... And the Word (Jesus) was God ( John 1:1). Another famous verse is Philippians 2:11: "... Jesus is Lord (God). ..." This verse concludes with "to the Glory of God the Father." This only means that there is another personality in God besides Jesus-the Holy Spirit is the third.

Verse 9: Why would the devil want Moses body? I like the fact that Michael the archangel just spoke the word of God and the devil fled.

We need to feed our spirit so that the flesh is controlled by the spirit

It is inspiring to know that all who JESUS as a brother and savior are preserved by CHRIST , and are called to testify of the glorious gospel.

What is it that GOD can't do Now unto him that is able to do exceedging abundantly above all that we ask or think ephesians 3 :20 Sick in your body he's ABLE need a job he's ABLE lost your way he's ABLE trying to fix it he's ABLE Do you get the picture he's ABLE..............

This Book is a great reminder that God is the same yesterday, today and always will be . I give thanks for his word daily invite the Holy Spirit in my life.

To be filled with the Holy Spirit is to be filled with Christ. The Holy Spirit came to glorify Christ. Therefore, if I am filled with the Spirit, I am abiding in Christ. I am walking in the light as He is the light, and the blood of Jesus Christ will cleanse and keep on cleansing me from all unrighteousness. I am controlled by Christ because the word "filling" means to be controlled. And if I am controlled -- not as a robot but as one who is led and empowered by the Spirit -- the Lord Jesus will walk around in my body and live His resurrection life in and through me.

From here on Homosexuals are referred to as Sodomites in the Bible. 1 Kings 15-12, 1 Kings 22-46, 1 Kings 14.24, 1 Kings 23-7, Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Romans 1:23-27, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. The words knew and know many times in the Bible Mean to have sex with. And Adam knew his wife and she conceived and Bare a son. The Men in this City were so given over to Homosexuality that they refused two Virgin Women. They wanted to know or Have sex with the Men that were in Lot’s House. They were so possessed with Homosexuality that even after the angels smote them blind they wearied themselves trying to find the door. It's referred to as an abomination. God commanded the Kings to put the Sodomites out of the land. If a man should lie with a man after the manner of a women they shall both be put to death (Leviticus). If God doesn't change, he still feels the same about this today. I wouldn't condone or look to find scriptures to condone something God hates so much. It is changing the truth of God into a lie and worshiping the creature and not the Creator. We are commanded to Mortify or (Kill) the lust of the flesh and the affections thereof. God is coming back for a bride that is pure white. Not a filthy lustful harlot stained with sin. God saves us from our sins not in them. Galatians 6- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

@William,
Of course the wages of sin is death ( Romans 6 :23), and that death is not always capital punishment as it is carried out with man’s justice. But also and mainly (in this section), it means separation from God.
Just like Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and that same day both died, but not physically.
It’s spiritual death. Like we find it in 1 Timothy 5:6 “But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth”.
Yes, we as Christians ought to stoop down to them to finally lift them, but while doing that, we have to keep the demarcation lines clear and distinct, just like Jude 1:23 says “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh”.
No complacency at all, “but speaking the truth in love”, Ephesians 4:15.
God bless you.

Yes it is only Christ alone who can present us faultless before the presence of His glory, through His blood. Halleluiah!

Verse 3 "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints " It is complete now as it was then. There are no amendments to it. The question may be asked do we believe and hold to it? Or something else? Faithfulness to God’s word is faithfulness to God Himself. More than can be expressed.

Verse 20 is vital. When you pray in the Spirit, it is like a battery being hooked up to a battery charger! You are recharged spiritually. What a great source of power for the Church of this dispensation. A great secret to the power that Paul walked in was that he prayed in through the Spirit almost all the time ("more than ye all", he said).

Jude 1 speaks about believers separation and God asking this, so we must and should separate ourselves from the world.

I would like to know how the Hebrew in Isaiah 14:12 translates "Satan" and how the Greek in the New Testament translates "Satan" in Luke 10:18 and Jude 1:6. Can you do this for me? Gee

I love this word!!! I hear it in church as we close service & last night it finally rang in my spirit!!! I HEARD it just last night!!!! I feel so full of life & I am overwhelmed at my life. I have very far to go to meet God's expectation for my life. I want nothing more than to be who He says I am & who I am to become. I thank you Lord for your word that brings rebuke, correction, healing, strength, deliverance & joy!!

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:19 talks about homosexuality and not commiting to this

Reading the Book of Enoch recovered in modern times in Abyssinia, it answered so many questions I had in Genesis.

I don't know about quiting calling the devil a liar but rather quit disputing with the devil in terms of the sinful worldly nature of the human condition. In other words don't try to understand and dispute the devil through reason in pursuit of some ulterior motive, as oppossed to godly reason and godly motivation. (vs 4 and 10). How do you do that? Keep steadfast with the way of christ. How do you do that? verse 19 and 20 and 21 describe how you must not remain "sensual" or rather distant from yourself (aka selfless) and that you must pray *in* not *to* the holy ghost. What does that mean? well for me that means detaching yourself and allowing god to manifest from within so you embody christ (sort of like what happens when you die and if you "accept" christ in you're life he magically steps in front of you're tainted being full of sins.) Others might interpret this in light of praying *to* christ and *accepting* christ meaning you think of him often and actively keep him close by. However there clarifying this closeness as being close with the bible rather than from *within*. Do you see my point? He's discussing the potential faults that naturally come with the nature of the bible and it's flexible interpretive quality. He's saying mere scripture isn't were all the authority is coming from you have to let the scripture of the bible or christ from within in order to truly dispute the devil from a godly position. check out vs 24. This is a big question. How do you communicate with god and how do you act through god? What is motivating you? Is being simply conversant with the scripture enough? What does it mean to be conversant with the scripture keeping in mind it's flexible interpretive nature? If those who wrote the scripture are said to embody the holy ghost then how are mere sinners supposed to interpret such transcended speech? Where does the authority lie? I propose through a transcended lens, one that has at least glimpsed and experienced the holy ghost not merely been conversant with scripture through the lens of the sinful "sensual" mind. "prayer in the holy ghost".

On Butch's comment on 2011-07-27 17:23:09: the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be during the destruction

reaponse to Eahoue's u should read over verse 19 an 20. verse 19 stated "These be they who SEPERATE themselves, sensual, HAVING NOT THE SPIRIT.
verse 20 mentioned " Praying in the Spirit. When the Holy Spirit is active in A believer's Life (one must be serving God in spirit and truth) he or she can absolutely pray in the Spirit.I have experience.you know that once we accept Jesus Christ in our lives we receive the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is not active in every one.

I love how verse 12 and 13 are so visual! They are really beautiful verses.

A beautiful verse if understood correctly. Since vs.19 infers that believers *have* the Spirit then *praying in the Spirit* would not make sense and be redundant.
I researched the Greek word *In G1722* and found that the preposition *to* makes better sense.

Jude 1:20 "Praying to the Holy Spirit (fully God)",
who teaches, guides, sanctifies, etc and speaks to us makes much better sense.
Would we not converse back? This is a form of trust, love, worship, prayer and fellowshipping.

@ Travis: I don't think having passions for something is necessarily wrong; however, when you don't put God first, than I feel it becomes wrong.

Verse 6. These are the angels that are spoken of in chapter 6 of Genesis who left heaven, their first estate, and took woman as play things and made geber babies trying to stop Gods plan. These follow satan and will be releast and will return wiith him for 2 and half months. At the return of the true Christ they will be die.

Gain as godliness. Who are those who preach gain as godliness? If you see a supposed preacher of the gospel and they teach the doctrines of Korah or the doctrines of Balaam. Are they truly a preacher of the Gospel of The Christ? Why are we taught to covet, name and claim in faith? better yet, why are people so deceived by this doctrine? Because we are not selfless, we are selfish. Study the doctrine of Korah and Balaam, see how the Lord used Balaam and then compare their fruit to your own favorite preacher, Church building. Have you been decieved by the lust and desires of your own heart? And now areyou unwilling to repent, because you may have to give it all up. The sun rises on the righteous and unrighteous. Rain falls on the godly and ungodly. Just because you have plenty, is that really a blessing or a curse? What do you think about the most, talk about the most, what do you do the most? Theres your gods. Are you severing God or Mammon? How about your church or Pastor? You can tell them by their fruit. And you are to judge from within not from without. Read Colossians 3 and tell God where your entire being should be looking towards and you wont fall for the teacher, Jude is warning you of in these passages. And quit calling the devil a liar. Even Micheal didn't, who are we to do what even the powerful Micheal didn't do.

sorry, jennifer, both you and wesley are way off. do you know the only reason that interpretation was used was because people just found it too incredible? but isnt the Bible filled with the incredible? angels were not supposed to, but these were FALLEN angels, who were attempting to contaminate the human bloodline and stave off the birth of Jesus. you'll notice that noah is described as "perfect in his generations", meaning exactly what it says, his bloodline was not polluted. even jude 1:6-7 says 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire". so yes angels are not supposed to have sex w/ humans but these guys did and were punished. the "myths" of zeus, apollo, and hercules were all true. the fallen angels claimed to be gods and the people worshipped them. the giants were called "heroes, men of renown". nothing i say is unBiblical. the Bible doesnt get into it but the inferences are there. the book of enoch is more descriptive. the book of enoch is considered apochrapal because of its subject matter and was taken out of the Bible by the catholic church. but several copies of the book of enoch were found w/ the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Mistake, I left one 3 zero's off the 250, million Africians dying of starvation.

It makes me sad that so many may live in eternity without knowing the love of God. It is awful to live on earth without knowing Gos's love and His power in us, through His Holy spirit, to overcome evil, let alone wasting what we could have been in eternal darkness. I cannot fathom how evil some are in the flesh, in that human life has little or no value to them, and they will shed innocent blood, like the 250,000 Africans dying of hunger right now. Having free will is a blessing not a curse. It makes us responsible for our thoughts, and actions, while having the ability to live in the glory of God forever. The most important it makes us able to know God's all inclusive, eternal love, and to know Him personally. What an honor, to BE A PART OF SUCH A MAGNITUDE OF LIFE, AND and what a waste, TO SPOIL IT ALL IN A SELFLESS, egotistic WAY of life. God cannot bless evil in any form. His blessings are without measure, and can only be known in His light.