Discuss Judges 6

Blind Faith - Luke 5:5 And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.

It's amazing that when we are led by The Spirit of God we are sometimes led to do things that would not normally make sense to us: the truth is, when following Jesus, trust, faith and obedience are the necessary or key elements required to bring us to a place or state of victory. Peter was an experienced Fisherman and had ample knowledge of the sea to know it made no sense returning to fish, but that word he used NEVERTHELESS sent doubt ,worry and fear out of the door leading Peter and his Fishermen team straight into a place of victory. It's ok to question God if in doubt, its even ok to make a request like Gideon Judges 6:36-40, ut it's not ok to disobey the voice of God because it doesn't make sense to you.

In the Bible, it was Gideon who tested God with a fleece made from a sheep's skin. This story is found in the Book of Judges, specifically in Judges 6:36-40. Gideon wanted to be sure that God was truly calling him to lead the Israelites against their enemies, the Midianites. He asked God for a sign, requesting that the fleece be wet with dew while the ground around it remained dry on one occasion and then dry while the ground around it was wet on another occasion. God granted both signs to Gideon to confirm His will.

Jerry.

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YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: "LORD" ( Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) - strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles "LORD" (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, "Lord." The revelation of the name is given to Moses "I Am who I Am" ( Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance ( Psalm 107:13), forgiveness ( Psalm 25:11) and guidance ( Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" ( Genesis 22:14) - the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" ( Exodus 15:26) - "I am Jehovah who heals you" both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" ( Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" ( Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) - God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" ( Judges 6:24) - the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" ( Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) - a combination of God's unique name YHWH and the generic word for "God" signifying that He is the Lord who is God.

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Hi Jerry.

When asked that question in Scripture it seems God answers back with one of his many names. like he does when Paul asks in Acts 9:5.

Paul asked Who art thou, Lord? "kurios" (supreme in authority that is (as noun) controller; by implication Mr . (as a respectful title): - God Lord master Sir.)

The Lord answered him simply, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

There are several names for the one and only true God.

Each of the many names of God describes a different aspect of His many-faceted character. Here are some of the better-known names of God in the Bible:

I've looked up some of those names; Here they are.

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EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" ( Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) - etymologically, El appears to mean "power" and "might" ( Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity ( Numbers 23:19), jealousy ( Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion ( Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of "might" remains.

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God "Creator, Mighty and Strong" ( Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) - the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible's first sentence, the superlative nature of God's power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence ( Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: "God Almighty," "The Mighty One of Jacob" ( Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) - speaks to God's ultimate power over all.

ADONAI [dna; ah-daw-nahy]: "Lord" ( Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) - used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God's dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

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Good answers brother Jesse. I've been observing your interactions here & elsewhere, but kept out of it so that your attention be focussed. But just popping in here now, to make some general observations, but not necessarily seeking comments.

a. Judas' spiritual condition. I believe that none of the twelve were Christians. They may have portrayed that name (Christian) by following Jesus & being discipled by Him, but could not be considered to be Christians as defined post Acts chap 2. When Jesus sent them out to the lost sheep of Israel, He gave them power for that specific ministry & time ( Matthew 10:1-8), just as certain people in the OT received God's Spirit to accomplish their tasks ( Numbers 11:25-27; Othniel, Judges 3:10; Gideon, Judges 6:34; Jephthah, Judges 11:29; Isaiah 59:21; & many more) - none of these were permanently indwelt by the Spirit, but the Spirit was given by God for a special purpose. As you mentioned, Judas & the other eleven were all sinners, but the day would come when they would be transformed (except Judas who suicided), & do great exploits in Jesus' Name.

b. Water baptism. After the twelve (now Matthias is included here) had the Holy Spirit come upon them, and in them & baptized them with the evidence of speaking in 'unlearned' tongues, were these apostles ever water baptized? I never recall any of them writing of that event taking place in their lives. Of course, Paul did, but he was not of the twelve, as "one born out of due time", but were the twelve ever baptized in water? Jesus had left them before this time, so He couldn't do it and there was no one else that was born again at that time to do it, so I wonder what happened. Some maintain that they were definitely baptized, but there's no evidence of it, & if not baptized, then the apostles would have still baptized others. Or I've heard, that they baptized each other, which doesn't make sense as their testimony was the same. So maybe an unbaptized believer can baptize another.

Brother Adam:

2 Peter 3:7

Brother David has made several comments about God's words being parables.

You have said God's words are often metaphors.

Revelation says his words are symbols.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and earth ....

There are LITERAL heavens and earth; but, they are also metaphors and symbols in a parable.

heaven and earth are MAN, earth being the carnal form of man where deception rules, heaven being the born again man where truth and life rule.

We are the GARDEN OF (eden) GOD where the ONE TREE that bears BOTH the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL is in the MIDST thereof.

Man; made of EARTH (dust), has to be destroyed, and become a creation of Spirit, the new heaven and new earth.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and earth, which are now, by the SAME WORD (that made them earth) are keep in store (since the day or resurrection) reserved unto fire against the day of JUDGEMENT ...

For you and I and all others alive at this given moment; we are being JUDGED by the written word's of God, if you don't believe his words: DEATH and the GRAVE; if you believe HIS WORDS, you become a SON OF GOD.

Christ is THE WORD OF JUDGEMENT, and the FIRE (a metaphor and symbol) that does the JUDGING.

Judges 6:21 And the angel of the Lord (Christ) put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touch the FLESH (dust of the earth) and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up FIRE out of the ROCK (symbolic of Christ) and CONSUMED the FLESH (dust of the earth) and unleavened cakes ......

Christ was the FIRE in the bush in the wilderness, he was the ROCK in the wilderness.

Hebrews 12:29 Our God is a CONSUMING FIRE

Christ is THE WORD

Your being JUDGED NOW BY the WORD and FIRE, and if you will JUDGE YOURSELF NOW; by God's words, you want be judged with the world.

1 Corinthians 11:31 If we would judge ourselves NOW, we should not be judged.

John 12:48 .... the words I have spoken (from Genesis thru Revelation), the same will judge him .....

God Bless YOU!

Psalms 23,

Rod: Exodus 4:17,

Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,

Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,

Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,

Hopefully these are helpful

Loretta:

Angels are Spirit; but they have GLORIFIED BODIES.

They (angels) are MEN MADE PERFECT, by

The SPIRIT and LIFE and POWER of the FATHER; but with the Body of CHRIST.

Christ was the first man.

Christ was the first angel.

Christ is also the Holy Ghost;

A man (an angel) that is SPIRIT, LIFE and TRUTH, with a glorified body.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE SPIRIT (the Father) and ONE BODY (the Christ).

Judges 6:21 Then the Angel (Christ appeared in the flesh, as a man) of the Lord (the Father) put forth the staff that was in his hand, and touched the FLESH and UNLEAVEND CAKES; AND THERE ROSE UP OUT OF THE ROCK (CHRIST IS THE ROCK) FIRE (our God is a consuming fire Hebrews 12:29) and CONSUMED the FLESH and THE UNLEAVENED CAKES, then the angel of the Lord departed out of his sight (he took on the form of the Holy Ghost, a man in a glorified body).

Isaiah 63:9 .... and the angel (Christ) of HIS PRESENCE (the Father; SPIRIT) SAVED THEM ......

Keep studying, it take lots of time to find all the HIDDEN TRUTH in God's word.

God Bless You!

This is a fascinating thing. I heard a sermon one time saying the words spoken about "if someone sees the face of GOD they cannot live" he said "they cannot live, the same" Is this the question you're looking deeper into? Genesis 32:20,30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 34:28-30,35,

It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,

Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.

Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"

What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.

Psalms 139, Job 4:15,

Hopefully this is helpful

Hi Donna. I think that 'doubt' is a very natural, logical mental attitude, as if we accept everything a person says or given from the media, we would become very vulnerable & looked upon as gullible. By definition, 'doubt' is to show uncertainty about something, or to even express distrust or suspicion. It is a human trait that can be both used correctly (as in wanting more information to verify facts), or incorrectly (holding onto an understanding/belief when the one giving the information is actually trustworthy). A little child will always be vulnerable as he/she will readily accept the words of another. Some adults are also notoriously gullible, easily swayed by a person's convincing argument & presentation. But the wise person, will take to heart what is given & pursue research or other checks to ascertain the truth.

You mentioned Thomas. Normally, one could say that he was a wise & careful man wanting more proof of the Lord's resurrection. But his doubt was unjustified because he already received the Lord's Words about the resurrection ( Matthew 16:21; John 2:18-22; John 10:17,18) & the men who brought him this news were his trustworthy friends & partners. So we see here, that Thomas was the type that wouldn't settle on anyone's words, even the Lord's, only accepting what he could physically see or touch. So Jesus' Words to him, "be not faithless, but believing". For Thomas' faith to be real, he had to believe what was told to him by worthy competent people. Just as we express faith in God's Word for its Truth & its Authorship, unlike those who reject God, who also doubt His Word.

So, you can talk to God about things that you don't understand - for His Spirit to make it clear to you. This is not doubt - just honest inquiries to learn more. But it would be doubt if God's Word makes it plain to you & you want more proof or try to find anything to change that Word. Gideon laid out his 'fleece' before the Lord ( Judges 6:36-40) showing doubt in God's clear Word.

The Holy Spirit did exist & manifest itself in people prior. Genesis 1:2, Genesis 6:3, Genesis 41:38, Judges 3:10, Judges 6:3, Judges 11:29, 1 Samuel 11:6-7, 1 Samuel 16:13, 2 Kings 2:9,

1 Samuel 16:14, 1 Samuel 19:20,

There are more references. Here are some more study references. Hope this helps.

appears to be different in the manifestation unto many people at the same time with many events occurring.

Also people being able to transfer the HOLY Spirit to another seems to appear after CHRIST was resurrected from death & the grave. Acts 1, Acts 9:17,31, Acts 10:44, Acts 11:15,16, Acts 13:52, Acts 19:1-11,

Ephesians 5:9, Galatians 3:14, Romans 8:1,

Please read the WORD of GOD,

May I have a preached sermon on Judges 6:11-16

Hi Faustino. Jotham is the youngest son of Gideon ( Judges 9:5). But you need to know, as you read this account, that Gideon, who was the son of Joash, was also called Jerubbaal ( Judges 8:35). So, Jerubbaal & Gideon are the same person. He was called Jerubbaal, meaning, 'let Baal contend with him', because he obeyed God in going out & tearing down Baal's altar & cutting down the Asherah pole ( Judges 6:25-32). As you read the account of how Jotham escaped being murdered, you will see the warning parable he preached to Abimelech (who was his brother & murderer of the other brothers) & to the men of Shechem.

I take it to believe "yea", may not be him rejoicing but even that, has scripture backing Philippians 4:4-9, James 1:2-4, 1 John 4:18,

even if we walk in/near death we should not fear because GOD promises to be with us (that trust in HIM) Deuteronomy 31:8, Hebrews 13:5-6, John 14:16-21, Psalm 139:1-24, Psalms 37:40,

The rod; Proverbs 13:24, Job 21:9, Proverbs 29:15, Lamentations 3:1, many times references discipline, correction: Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:4-8-11, Staff: Hebrews 11:21, Zechariah 8:4, Exodus 21:19, Numbers 22:27, 2 Samuel 3:29, Judges 6:21

Hopefully these scriptures help you with the HOLY Spirit to understand deeper. John 14:26, James 1:5

OSEAS, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The Revelation (the revealing) of Jesus Christ, which God (the Father) gave to him (Jesus Christ) to show (to reveal) to his servants (God's elect) things (kingdom of God, CHRIST IN YOU) which must shortly come to pass (before your body of flesh naturally dies); and He (the Father) sent and signified it (hid the revelation in symbols) by HIS ANGEL (Jesus is the Angel of the Lord) unto his servant John.

The ANGEL (of the Lord) is JESUS CHRIST.

Judges 6:21

Judges 6:22

Judges 13:21

Judges 13:16

Wesley's Notes for Judges 6:26-29

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6:26 Gideon was NO PRIEST, nor was this the appointed place of sacrifice; but God can dispense with his own institutions, though we may not; and his call gave Gideon sufficient authority.

6:27 Ten men - whereby they were easily induced to assist him. He feared - Not so much, lest he should suffer for it, but he should be prevented from doing it.

6:28 Was offered - Not upon Baal's altar, for which it was designed; but upon an altar erected in contempt of Baal.

6:30 They said - Probably some of the persons employed in it.

6:31 Will ye plead - Why are you so zealous in pleading for that Baal, for the worship whereof you suffer such grievous calamities at this day? It is plain, that Joash had been a worshipper of Baal: but probably he was now convinced by Gideon. He that will plead - He that shall farther plead for such a god as this, deserves to die for his folly and impiety. It is not probable, that this was all which he said for his son: but it is usual in scripture to give only short hints of things which were more largely discoursed. While it is morning - That is, instantly, without delay. Let him plead - As the God of Israel hath often done when any indignity or injury hath been done him. But Baal hath now shewed, that he is neither able to help you, nor himself; and therefore is not worthy to be served any longer. This resolute answer was necessary to stop the torrent of the peoples fury; and it was drawn from him, by the sense of his son's extreme danger; and by the confidence he had, that God would plead his son's cause, and use him for the rescue of his people.

Mishael: the first bullock was for Gideon. God Sanctified Gideon to lead Israel into battle.

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Why did he refer to 2nd bullock in verse 26, what happened to 1st one? i assumed the 1st one may have been sacrificed

earlier.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The lake of fire is the same thing; that, in the Old Testament was called the Fire of the Lord. Natural eyes see this as literal fire; but is it?

Judges 6:20 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, take the flesh and unleavened cakes (represents us) and lay them upon this rock (represents Christ), and pour out the broth And he did so.

Judges 6:21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and unleavened cakes (US), and there rose up fire from OUT OF THE ROCK (OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE), and consumed the flesh and unleavened cakes (US).

Zachariah 14:12 ......Their flesh shall consume away while they stand on their feet....

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword (is the word of GOD, God is FIRE) of him upon the horse, which sword (WORD) proceeded out of his mouth; and all the fowls were filled with their (own) flesh.

To understand who the fowls are; we have to go to the parable of the sower of the seed.

Luke 8:5 A sower went out to so his seed; and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the FOWLS OF THE AIR devoured it.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are those that hear, then cometh the devil (fowls or the air)....

Luke 13:19 It (kingdom of heaven; Christ in you) is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air (devil) lodged therein.

John 15:5 I am the vine; ye are the branches (where the fowls lodge)...

Psalms 104:12 By them shall the fowls of the air have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out DEVILS by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) is come unto you.

In re: verse 21, poor Gideon didn't believe that the LORD was talking to him even after he brought down fire!

Are you referring to Asherah? If so, this word is not the King James Bible, but in other Bible versions it is translated as 'Asherah'.

Asherah (plural, Asherim) refers to 'grove' in the KJV, and these groves were essentially the trunk of a tree that was hewed down & then carved into an image for the purpose of worship that image. The origin of this was the Canaanite goddess Astarte whose image may have been carved into the trunk.

You may remember that God's people, Israel, were commanded to go into the land of the Canaanites, Hivites, Hittites, etc. to conquer them & this land would be Israel's future possession. However, throughout the history of Israel, they started off well to serve the true & living God, but ended up taking on the worship of the idols of the heathen around them. You can look at these references: 1 Kings 16:33, 2 Kings 21:7, Exodus 34:13, Judges 6:25 for a few occurrences of this idolatry. So whenever you see 'groves' or 'asherah', they refer to idolatry that was practised by heathen nations & for which Israel often also did & suffered under God's Hand.

This is all I could find:

Genesis 22:14

And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Exodus 6:3

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Exodus 17:15

And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

Judges 6:24

Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD, and called it Jehovahshalom: unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

Psalms 83:18

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4

Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

Again the Israelites deny their God to worship Baal and please themselves in whatever sin they choose. When along comes trouble, they all of a sudden remember where their "help comes from, it comes from the Lord". NOW they acknowledge God, repent and God forgives them AGAIN. How great is our God's mercy, grace and love for His own? But for the grace of God there go I. Thank you Jesus

Gideon was just amazing.

Gideon was hiding in fear of being seen by the enemies. God had an assignment for him to do. The first thing, Gideon was concerned that he was not good enough. Doesn’that sound like us today. We think we have to clean-up ourselves for God to use us. No, if we could, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, would not have to come. He is the only one who can clean-us-up.

God is so kind. Gideon was terrified but God went to all lengths to encourage him and strengthen his faith. And God speaks to us. he tells us what hes going to do. He doesn't leave us in the dark about his plans. What a wonderful God he is.

Verse 14~Jehovah God saw the potential that Gideon had. He told him to go with the strength you have. He knew he couldn’t do it in his own strength but he needed him to just get going and Jehovah would make up for the rest.

Eaglesrock, in my own view of this chapter: Is not that Gideon is afraid, is because Israel had already sinned and God is punishing them base on their sins, because the bible said fear is a torment, and fear also is having faith in the adversary to harm us where as God has already given Israel to the enemy to do them harm because of their sins in worshipping other god Baal.

V.2 - they lived in caves; also David did too. And others not of the middle east. These 'pre-historic' bones the worldly people are digging up; the bones of these people is what they are digging up. Just 'pieces' they are adding to to make a 'complete' skull. They shape it to look 'ape-ish'. They hate God.

I like the story of Gideon he was just sitting under a tree and God used him.God will use you when you least expect it.

This is amazing how God confirms his presence in Gideon's time and even today we just need to trust and obey God and he will reveal to us what is hidden. He will shows us great things, great talents that we have.