Discuss Leviticus 20 Page 5

As a Christian struggling with this particular sin, I STAND for God 's word. He says what He means He means what He says!!! POINT BLANK

GOD gave us ... his commands ... GOD does not change ... man wants to justify his sin ... Yes, God loves the sinner ...but being an abomination ... remains then ... as now ... Hell, was meant for the Devil ... but that is the destination of those ... who live the abomination ... GOD seeks all men ... those who come to Jesus ... repent ... and walk away from their sin ... God may forgive ... to join God 's family ... Heaven is the destination ... but abomination remains abomination as far as GOD is concerned ... No one is "born " such ... a choice to sin against God yourself ... is the Reality. There IS a way that seems right to man ... that leads to death and Hell. You may buy Satan 's lies ... but the choice is still yours ...

Behold, old things shall pass away".......... This is a new era........ Preach the Gospel of the New Testament ' Christ '

You can interpret this any way you feel. The only fact of it is that the Old Testament was written by the ancient Israelites thousands of years ago, in a society extremely different from ours. It is easy to take this verse out of context and manipulate it to your liking. Would not you be better off studying the history of the Old Testement and try and analyze what they were ACTUALLY talking about? just a thought.

The Old Testament is a history of tradition, the point of Jesus, and therefore chrIstianity was to bring a new way of worship and dealing with our fellow mankind. Fear based religion with fire and brimstone postulations were replaced with love and positivity, traditons were not to be considered the law. See Mark 7.1-23. Leviticus is moot.

I believe the Bible, its not that Christians don't still love and care for people who do not follow Gods word, Its just most christians are tired of being told were intolorant, and bigot because we dont do the do the political correct thing and accept these people the way they are, All people are sinners and fall short of Gods glory but by believing and accepting christ we are redeemed. Part of that is accepting the Bible as God's word and trying are best to follow and ask for forgivness when we fall short and strength to do the right thing and not commit the sins again. I think part of the problem is also human nature, and people dont like being told they're doing anything wrong or want to bend Gods word to suit there needs and life styles.

The word "mankind" in Lev 20:13 is actually ZAKHAV which means "male" in hebrew.

It should read better:

"...If a man lies with a male, as he lyeth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination."

Also the word "both" is Hebrew word "shanehem" which implies two people, not a group.

Please, read it again and again and if you have problems with English, use a dictionary.

If a man also lie with mankind, as hee lyeth with a woman, both of them haue committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shalbe vpon them.
- King James Version (1611) - View 1611 Bible Scan

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And if a man has sex relations with a man, the two of them have done a disgusting thing: let them be put to death; their blood will be on them.
- Basic English Bible.

What part is hard to understand ?

This verse can be confusing, but know that it's translation means: Respect and honor your Parents no matter what they do and God will take care of their short comings. True Christians should know the real meaning of God's Words. Those who study.

GOD IS LETTING US KNOW THAT HE LOVE ALL OF US IT IS THE SIN THAT GOD HATE,EVEN THOU THIS IS THE OLD TESTAMENT DOES MEAN THAT THIS RULE DO NOT APPLY TO US TODAY, WE ARE LIVING UNDER GRACE TODAY AND EACH DAY THAT WE WAKE ,GOD MEANS UP GOD IS GIVING EACH OF US A CHANCE TO REPENT AND GET RIGHT WITH HIM WHEN WE OBEY GOD WE CAN LIVE NOT ONLY HERE ON EARTH BUT WE WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. AND JUST LIKE HE SAID THAT HE IS THE LORD HE MAKES THAT VERY CLEAR TO US.

It just lets you know that if you do not accept the truth, you can not enter the gates of Heaven.

I have a friend who is gay and I have spoken to him about it and he used Leviticus chapter 20 to justify his lifestyle. He claims that the laws handed down to Moses then do not apply today including verse 9 that says anyone who curses their father or mother should be put to death. I would really like some feed back so I can have another discussion with him. Thank you.

The key word here is mankind . It does not mention man (singular). Mankind is a general term for "all humans"both male and female. It sounds to me like he doesn't want orgies.

@ Martha Prinecss. i agree with you. the fact that God loves us all does not mean we must do what we love to do but we must do what He loves us to do. Remember He is God who does not contractdict Himself. He does not change,in other words if He says: if a man sleeps with another man is wrong. He won't wake up tomoro and say now its right. we must be careful not to do things which He consider them wrong and justify them as right.

@ Anonymous...you are correct in that the Most High God loves us all equally, but that does not mean He agrees with the lifestyle we choose. Whether we choose to be promiscuous, commit adultery/fornication or choose a same sex partner it does not change God's law. Please read Romans chapter 1.
Romans 1:24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

What if they truly have found love for the same sex? Then what? God loves all equal regardless of the sin and the depths it may have on anyone. If God himself didn't want homosexuality or homosexuals then he wouldn't have put the first people to come up with this logic in their own minds. It takes two to tango and one to sin. But I'm seriously confused on the topic and need some words of wisdom.

To be honest, this sounds like the laws you would put into place to grow a nation. If done right, you can keep inbreeding low, grow a strong moral community from certain blood lines, and have a way to make sure your population grows. At this time the Israelite were constantly at war and were always in trouble. They needed people. Men to fight, women to help in the fields and prepare the food, and children to do the chores. I could be misreading it, but seems God was just trying to create a large, strong, united community.

Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Jesus says all of the old commandments made by the prophets of the past should still be in place, so why dont you kill your children if they are unruly ( Leviticus 20:9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.) (Deutronomy 21:18-21 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.) That's just a small amount of commandments you need to obey, read the Bible cover to cover and stop picking and choosing.

We can pick our sides and positions and that is all well and good. But we cannot stop there. While we believe homosexuality is an abomination, those loved ones and friends need to repeatedly hear this from us. Remember that WE are placed in their lives to point this out - to point them to everlasting life with Christ. Do we have any fight left in us? Do we wish to SAVE them or to just pick a side? At the end time - our end time and theirs - the chasm will be too great, the separation too far to do anything about it. I am Michael and I call each of you into action. Fight as if you were saving someone's life; in fact you are saving their souls!

It is what it is, after all, mankind tend to twist the Lord’s words to suit themselves to their own deceptive satisfaction. The Lord’s words are plain and simple to understand.

To all the homosexuals and lesbians today demanding that each one of us accepts their way of life that they chose, please read Leviticus 20:13,"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. This is not the only book in the bible that speaks of this sin, also read about it in Romans 1.

I love Jesus, and I want to grow in the lord.

I have no problem in what it says in Leviticus. I think it boils down to where you put your final authority. I put my final authority in the King James Bible and trust solely in that. I know if I put it in myself, I’ll be in huge trouble. Trying to be a "good person" takes away from the ultimate sacrifice of my Lord Jesus Christ who paid with his life so that my sins are covered in His blood. The Bible says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Hebrews 9:22.

The love between David and Jonathan was pure, just as friends, why people have to black and white everything. Talking about homosexual read Leviticus 20:10-21. Remember that Jonathan had a son who was sick from a child and if you read 2 Samuel 9:1-13, you will see how David took care of him through the love he had for Jonathan; just love with no hidden agenda, read the word, study the word, and believe the word. Remember it will not return to him void but shall go forth for which it was sent. God loves you all or lean it is the things that we saw that he hates. Peace.

The reason so many laws regarding food were written like they were in the days of Moses, is because they didn't have the means to clean what was unclean. For instance it was against their religion not to eat pork, with modern day tech we are able to eat pork without getting sick. If you recall, God told Noah that all animals could be eaten as food, and clothing. Moses being a prince of Egypt was following Egyptian customs of not eating certain animals that would make them sick. Those animals were all meat eaters they considered unclean. Animals that ate grass were considered clean and therefore was acceptable meat for humans to eat. It is true we are not to judge others, that is God our Father in Heaven’s job. He is to judge each and every one of us. We are given the right to discern what is right from what is wrong and decide which path to follow. Whether we choose the right way or the wrong one, we will still have to answer to God. That is the free agency he gave to each one of us. He is a loving father who is quick to forgive us of our trespasses if we only ask for his forgiveness. He loves us, but not always what we do; he hates the sin, but he truly loves his children.

@E,
Shall we send all the little blasphemous kids your way then?

@E,
You will never find that church, because putting children to death for cursing their parents is not Christian, it is rather of the Law of Moses, which Christ delivered us from, and it’s curse.
God bless you.

I search in vain for a church that is willing to put children to death for cursing their parents. Is there not a SINGLE CHRISTIAN church on this Earth!

Believe every word the bible says, Jesus came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it, so the Old Testament laws still hold true today, just like the New Testament. We have to take the bible as a whole, not just the parts we like.

@Charles,
Love how people pick and choose WHICH parts of the bible to follow and which parts not to. You say since it's an abomination to God then it should be to us... Ok then, are you saying that we are to judge just like God? 'Judge not'!!; I would also imagine that if you would follow it that closely and were so honorable you would honor thy father or mother (as the commandment says) if they were abusing you and were drug addicts and gave you drugs? Right? I suppose you would still honor them with the faith that God would make it stop eventually/hopefully before you die or become addicted yourself or go to prison yourself and trust that he'd reward you in heaven....right?!! Is that what you would tell the children who were being abused by their parents? No, don't report it if your parents tell you not to tell anyone! Suffer through it! You must honor your mother and father!! Get over yourself! It's people like you and the strict Catholics that ruin it for others who just want to believe and want to be a good person but still fear they just aren't good enough! Judge not least ye be judged! You people are the most judgmental people out there!!! I know! Born and raised Catholic and am proud to consider myself a Recovering Catholic!