Final Word Jesus authenticates entire 39 books of the Old Testament Luke 11 50 to 51 Ryrie Study Bible .docx
Jesus authenticate the entire Thirty-Nine books of the Old Testament the Israel Religious Hierarchy used and believed was the Holy Scriptures. (This included the Levites, the Priesthood, the Scribes, the Sanhedrin, Caiphas and Ananias, the Sadducees and the Pharisees.) This is the same Old Testament used in Jesus's time. It is the same as we have today. It was compiled in its entirety during the time of Ezra about 450 B.C. In prior to this time only the elite, scholarly, and Religious Hierarchy were able to access and read scriptures. In earlier times Scrolls were used to record and preserve the texts and controlled by religious hierarchy.
I previously posted my inquiry as what single scripture in the New Testament says jesus validated the entire Old Testament that was the accepted as the Holy Scriptures by the Israel Religious Hierarchy at the time of Jesus was teaching and ministering. The following is what I was seeking to find.
Luke 11:50-51
50. That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51. From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
The Collection of the Books of the Old Testament
From the Dr Charles Caldwell Ryrie , Thd, Phd - Ryrie Study Bible NAS. Published by Moody Publications. Page XXVii
Most Signiant however is the statement of Jesus ( Luke 11:51) in which He delimited the extent of the canonical books of the Old Testament when He accused the scribes of being guilty of slaying all of the prophets God had sent to Israel from the time of Able to the time of Zechariah. Able's death is recorded in Genesis; Zechariah's in II Chronicles 24:20-21, which is he last book of the Hebrew Bible rather than Malachi as our English Bible."
Hello all dear friends and Jesus saved people both women and men. When I came across some words today, just want to remind you of what Jesus said here: Luke 19:41-44.
God bless you all in Jesus holy name, i love you in Christ.
Remember and forgive all ppl their sins. Then we know that we are also forgiven by God. Luke 11:1-13
I have never spoken in tongues; although felt on the verge of it on occasion. I had been told by Pentacostals that I had to speak in tongues to be saved; which clearly is errant as God gives gifts severally as He chooses. Nonetheless; I am not going to discount that it is still occurring today; as I have known examples of those in my life with that gifting. However; it is clear with the Kundalini type spirit as one false manifestation that a demonic tongue certainly exists as do many imitations by Satan of God's good gifts from above. Again the lack of discernment is appalling when we see obvious possession taking away any possibility of things being "decent and in order" ( 1 Cor. 14:40). Tongues also rarely are interpreted although I have met individuals who claim they have heard it done properly on occasion.
It seems to me that there are prayer languages for personal edification; as well as ones to be interpreted in a church congregational setting. Again; to see the forest through the trees it should always be the GIVER of the gifts not the gifts themselves that is sought when we ask for more of the Holy Spirit. That is a prayer Christ Himself is said to fulfill ( Luke 11:13). The fear of God; and impending doom for the unbeliever fits in with the general ministry of the Spirit found in John 16:8-11 where sin; righteousness and judgment to come pierce men's hearts. There are verses where both a sign for nonbelievers and believers is what tongues is said to be meant for. ( 1 Cor. 14:22; 25). This could be the two types of tongues I mentioned or the purpose of ministry emphasizing one gift over the other; in this case prophecy. I'll let someone else tackle that. Again; there should be a surrendered; victorious; fruit bearing life as evidence of tongues or any other gift. Immature believers in the Corinthian church had gifts; but had to be severely rebuked for Paul to set them straight. The transformation shows that they were saved.
But when it comes to righteous indignation (or better, anger) we really need to be careful that we are "majoring in majors and not majoring in minors". I've been in "church" situations where some address the pastor over insignificant matters, causing unneeded strife. Other times, people just brush off or look the other way concerning behaviors that are adverse to the godly way we are to behave and concerning teachings that are outrageously heretical or blasphemous. So, there is a "thin line" often between being truly acting from right motives and sinning when faced with something that we ought to be righteously angry over. But, we live in a culture, especially within the church that values "niceness" over honesty and being very "real". And people tend to be more receptive of flattery than honest, proper correction or even just an honest response.
In our society, sinful behaviors and words are not only to be tolerated, but accepted on equal level with the values of Christ and the belief in the exclusivity of the Christian Gospel over other religious beliefs. I face that in my own family, which is really at the root of the deep divide that exists. I don't know where all of this 'equity of acceptance of all things" will lead our society, but I do not think it will lead people to Jesus, for sure.
With all of this said, Jesus is the one who ultimately deals with the hearts, attitudes, and mindsets of other people. He may use us to bring truth, light, and conviction in others as well as consolation, encouragement, and uplifting of others who are downtrodden in their sins and seek a remedy.
I have met so many Christians who insist that Jesus never got angry or chastised or berated anyone. But He did, without sinning. He was always appropriate in any admonition or rebuke, getting straight to the heart of the matter to those who needed this. Yet He was gentle and compassionate to those who needed a loving, more soft-handed response from Him. He gave every person the words and works they most needed in those moments. We cannot, of course, know the minds and hearts of others like Jesus did and still does. But we can learn to discern what our response to others should be like. We learn to do this with our children in raising and nurturing them. Sometimes they need firmness and an unpleasant consequence, other times, grace, forgiveness, and understanding them in their weakness. Other times, we can give straight out instruction, and other times we let them try and fail at a task, learning to problem solve.
I do think we should never excuse in ourselves bad manners, ill feelings, nor rudeness to others, but in walking with the Spirit we can come to know what is the best and most appropriate things to say and do. For instance, this week I needed to advocate for my siblings in matters concerning how our oldest sister, who is power of attorney and executor of our Mom's estate is not only handling these funds, but in requesting that she disclose bank statements and an accounting of what is paid out, for what, and to whom. I knew that it would not sit well with her or a few other siblings who usually are on her side of the deep divide in our family (decades old), but I knew that I needed to address this sooner rather than later, for her benefit as well as for my other siblings who are all equal heirs. My request stirred up some emotional responses from some, but others were thanking me for addressing this issue. But my conscience is clear, as I meant no harm, nor had any ill intentions in this.
The first thing that comes to mind, is a need from the Holy One! Only He knows what we need and when! If I know these things, then I should be happy!
Maybe Im not as happy as I should or could be ,and if not why?
The things around us are changing all the time. Are we consumned it seems with that which is past, and present, thinking somehow in this life, we should be happier than what we are? Are these the signs of the times? Or, are these thoughts the consequences of abiding in Him? Are these the offences that He speaks that will come too those who worship Him?
Are these things of the spirit of God!
So, How do we get to that place? Tell me How!
How do we get to the place where this Holy One will take our place, will become one with us? I hear the prophets and apostles words, I see Jesus walking and healing, and yet I am not filled! Maybe, I am not saved?
How can I know this love that passes all understanding? Must I be touched? Is it true that this corruption must put on incorruption? Why can we not experiance this incorruption now? I hear the voices! I hear the questions, I sence that these wish to see Him , this one called the WORD! Cry out! Cry out, for ourredemption draws nigh.
If you are in this place, than you are in Him! Love one another in all things, for the evil one has come and desires your soul!
The "socially incorrect" Jesus. Anyone that passes off Christ as demonstrating what the world considers "humanitarianism" in love toward everyone and acceptance is in for a rude awakening; particularly when reading Luke 11. We start off with His careful explanation on a type and model of HOW to pray (apparently based on similar patterns by John the Baptist to HIS disciples (v. 1). This; of course is found elsewhere in slightly different form in the Gospels. Then; there is the explanation on perseverance in asking the giver of all things for good gifts (i.e. the Holy Spirit in v. 13). Christ almost gets through this account without any unpleasant statements until that last verse when he states that they are "evil." So much for putting the Disciples who were; BTW saints as ALL true believers were (minus Judas Iscariot) at some sanctimonious level above the rest of any sinners saved by grace.
At this point; all bets are off. Jesus has to deal with the hearts of Pharisees; with their thoughts; or comments about Him using the Devil's (Beelzebub) power to cast out demons; and to the crowd in general saying that they are an "evil generation" seeking a sign (v. 29); then warning about light being darkness in us (or Satan appearing as an angel of light).
Finally; in verse 38 we see what would be considered (to say the least) bad manners after an invite to a meal. A simple concept of lack of handwashing which seemed trivial ended up in a railing accusation to the hypocrisy within for Pharisees in general. Then; to add insult to injury after He was informed that the lawyers were insulted He went after them!
(I would imagine there was a lot of indigestion there at that time).
The concept of righteous indignation especially among "religious" folks today seems like an ancient artifact. If judgment begins at the house of God; who is sounding the trumpet today?
Yes God is very Good and is so patient with us and our errors . And faults etc. I at one time believed in the trinity doctrine , but the Holy Spirit is a greater teacher , than men's doctrines, I felt like a dark cloud was removed when I saw the truth of it . Amen !
From childhood this verse has been very special to me since it promises that the Father is so good and will give the Spirit to us when we ask HIM for this wonderful gift of Himself to us, the third person of the Trinity is given to us to abide in us and bring us in union with God. How precious is this promise!
If you then , being evil , know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him ?
That was Jesus speaking .
Wow do you understand this ?
No need to take God at his word , just ask him in obedience, and trust him . Of course you desire to be led by the the Holy Spirit and not doing your own thing right ?
The word of God instructs us .
When you are blessed by the Holy Spirit in any measure you will know it , love , joy , peace are fruits of the spirit . So do not settle for a dead word only . God and his Holy Spirit are life changers . Amen ?
Matthew 4:1, Mark 14:38, Luke 8:55, Luke 11:13, Luke 23:46, Luke 24:39, John 3:5,6, John 4:23,24, John 6:63, John 14:17, 1Corinthians 12:3, 1Corinthians 15:45, Galatians 5:16,17, Galatians 5:22-25, Galatians 6:8, Ephesians 1:17, 1Thessalonians 5:23, James 2:26,
Romans 8, Hebrews 4:12,
Warning, 1Timothy 4:1,
1John 4:1-11, 1John 4,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study of your spirit & flesh; (body)
I believe you may be mistaken, not the Word of GOD
In my study I looked up the "Court"
The Court : Exodus 27, in the tabernacle, Exodus 40:20-33, the House: 1Kings 6:16-36, 1Kings 8:64, 2 Chronicles 4:6-22, Solomon made,
2Chronicles 24:18-27, Court, before captivity into Babylon, note Isaiah was prophesing of it, in 2 Chronicles,
Zechariah, Zacharias, etc. 2Chronicles 29:1, 2Kings 14:29, 2Kings 18:22Kings 15:8,11, even Luke 1:5,12,13,18,21,40,59,67,
There seems to be several men with same name, but Jesus specified "the son of Barachias" Zechariah 1:1, note: Luke 11:50-51, Matthew 23:31-39, 'between the temple & the alter '
Zechariah son of Berechaih was alive prophesing during the 2nd year of Darius, Zechariah 1:1, seemingly During: Daniel 6:1, Daniel 9:1, Daniel 11:1, the time of rebuilding, Ezra 4:24, Ezra 5:7, Ezra 6:13, Haggai 1:15, Haggai 2:10, Nehemiah 12:22,
Please note Zechariah 7:1, the house of The LORD was rebuilt & Zechariah approached their sin, Zechariah 7, he even speaks of the 70 years of captivity: Zechariah 7:5,
Thank you GiGi, and as a good reminder se here Luke 11:13. Amen Hallelujah God is God. He helps us through everything, it may take His time but as you say. There's always something/someone who wants us to lose Jesus from sight.
No Martha, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one & self-same Spirit. We understand this because of the Deity of the Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit is a vital Person within the Godhead, or Trinity), & by the procession of the Spirit (i.e. the Spirit proceeding from both the Father & the Son, without any change or division in God's Nature).
a. the Spirit's Deity.
Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).
Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).
Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
b. the Spirit's Procession.
Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).
Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).
So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).
Some teach that based on interpretation of; Isaiah 42:7, 1Peter 3:18-19, Ecclesiastes 4:14-16, Psalms 142:7, Isaiah 53:7-12, Revelation 1:17-18, Matthew 12:38-45, Luke 11:29-32, Ephesians 4:8-10, Psalms 86:13, Acts 2:27,31, Psalms 16:10, but none of these are clearly stated nor defined so. Jonah 2:2,
Luke 16:22-31,
I guess my question is why?
Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,
If you examine the context of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" the term is used after Jesus, doing only the perfect willvof the Father, through the power of the Holy Spirit, is accused of casting out demons through the power of Satan. Example Mat. 12:24-32, Mark 3:22-29, Luke 11:15-12:10. In all cases, in the very presence of Christ Himself, doing PERFECTLY, the will of the Father, through the perfect power of the Holy Spirit, they call the entire Godhead Satan. If you are physically in the presence of Christ doing the perfect willvof the Father through the power of the Spirit, and attribute Gods works to Satan, there is no hope for you. That's the only context for this sin. Every other sin is forgettable till the day we die. But Christ is not here on earth right now... Which is why you never see blasphemy of the Holy Spirit mentioned after He ascended.
I agree with the way you adressed this topic before. I believe you helped break down the biggest most divisive issue, when there is hypocrisy with abuses & blatant unrepented sins, there is accountability. I believe Jesus clearly taught accountability & old testament usually addressed as within Church / temple & leadership within, also: Isaiah 9:17, Matthew 20:1-19, Luke 20:45-47, Luke 11:39-54, Matthew 23, Isaiah 1:17, Isaiah 1, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 7:1-17, Jeremiah 22:3, Jeremiah 34:8-12 ._..
I believe you Chris or possibly someone else addressed the question we're they ever really saved?
I address this question as to answer the many outside the church who ask because of injustice etc. This site is for those, I believe most of all.
Faith Knight, I also agree with Adam & Chris this is an issue with disagreement. & hesitation is possibly warning. But, I included scripture covering love, meekness in the way, its addressed. John 15:18,24,25, Luke 21:17, Zechariah 13:6,
Count the cost? Luke 14:26-35,
Said in sincerity of Love, through the fellowship of Faith in Jesus Christ
I've understood it as watching dark things, allowing unholy images inside, instead turn away. Matthew 6:22-23,
Mark 9:47, Matthew 18:9, Luke 11:34-36, also seems to emphasise purity in what we see, choices. Mark 7:20-23, Matthew 20:15, it's used as harsh judgement, possibly seeing through judgemental eyes. Also Luke 6:42,
Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,
Please read & study these:
Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,
Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,
1Kings 3:1, 2Chronicles 8:11, this seems to be an on going concern/compromise? Not that God "would allow Solomon to veer, from his good start", James 1:13-16
1Kings 11:7, isn't that the horrible thing that started abortion? Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:2,3,4,5, Jeremiah 32:35, it seems to have caused sin multipled please see 2Kings 23, how long did those sins stay among the people? How sad for people who follow someone that leads them astray. & when a "wise" king sets up evil, how difficult is it to take out what an admired person sets up? 2Kings 23:13, 1Kings 14:21-31, 2Chronicles 33, Nehemiah 13:26,
also the contrary teachings, is that what made his son disrespectful to the elders, hypocrisy? 1Kings 12,? 2Chronicles 10:6 -8, ?
1Kings 11:9-11,
1Kings 11:12-14,
1Kings 11:40, isn't those actions like Saul's, unlike David who showed mercy to GOD's anointted.
1Chronicles 28:9 "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the GOD of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."
James 3:1,
Luke 11:31, Jesus speaking Matthew 11:11, Hebrews 8,
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay (tithe) of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (also Luke 11:42)
Mild Bill - (Jesus said these ye ought to have done, pay tithe. and not to leave the other undone.) When Jesus says something we ought to do it, it is not an option.
Tithes and Offerings Unto God__through the local Church - In Reply - 2 years ago
2 Corinthians 9:7 - Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a CHEERFUL giver.
Malachi 3:8-12 - Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Matthew 6:1-4 - Take heed that ye do not your giving before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 6:38 - Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye give withal it shall be measured to you again.
Luke 11:42 - But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 18:12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [don't brag]
Acts 2:44-47 - And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Acts 20:35 - I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
1 Corinthians 16:2 - Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 2 Corinthians 8:1-24
Thank you for your response, I just found your reply. For some reason it wasn't in my replys. I will check back on this thread again just incase you reply to this.
I pray deliverance from any and all attacks against you while you're sleeping! Spiritual, natural or both.
The 1st place I would like to start: Have you received or ask GOD to be LORD of your life? Accepting Jesus Christ as your savior? John 3:15-16,
With that we are sealed with promise, 2Corinthians 1:20-22, Ephesians 4:30, Ephesians 1:13, James 1:5, Acts 5:32, Romans 15:13, Acts 2:28, 1Corinthian 6:19, John 14:26, Acts 10:38, Mark 16:16-18, 1John 5:9-21,
* if you have not accepted Jesus as your personal LORD & Savior. Please do that right now, in prayer. 2Corinthians 6:2, 1Thessalonians 5:9, John 14:6,
Hebrews 1, note Hebrews 1:14, if you have received Jesus Christ as Savior, then the visible/invisible image was it fighting on your behalf?
* If you have been involved with anything associated with darkness & evil knowingly or others around you or in your dwelling have. Destroy those things, get it away from you. Turn away from those things. Ask forgiveness from our Father in Heaven. Matthew 6:23, Luke 11:34-36,
Jesus authenticate the entire Thirty-Nine books of the Old Testament the Israel Religious Hierarchy used and believed was the Holy Scriptures. (This included the Levites, the Priesthood, the Scribes, the Sanhedrin, Caiphas and Ananias, the Sadducees and the Pharisees.) This is the same Old Testament used in Jesus's time. It is the same as we have today. It was compiled in its entirety during the time of Ezra about 450 B.C. In prior to this time only the elite, scholarly, and Religious Hierarchy were able to access and read scriptures. In earlier times Scrolls were used to record and preserve the texts and controlled by religious hierarchy.
I previously posted my inquiry as what single scripture in the New Testament says jesus validated the entire Old Testament that was the accepted as the Holy Scriptures by the Israel Religious Hierarchy at the time of Jesus was teaching and ministering. The following is what I was seeking to find.
Luke 11:50-51
50. That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
51. From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
The Collection of the Books of the Old Testament
From the Dr Charles Caldwell Ryrie , Thd, Phd - Ryrie Study Bible NAS. Published by Moody Publications. Page XXVii
Most Signiant however is the statement of Jesus ( Luke 11:51) in which He delimited the extent of the canonical books of the Old Testament when He accused the scribes of being guilty of slaying all of the prophets God had sent to Israel from the time of Able to the time of Zechariah. Able's death is recorded in Genesis; Zechariah's in II Chronicles 24:20-21, which is he last book of the Hebrew Bible rather than Malachi as our English Bible."
Here are a few scriptures for, Fasting & prayer: Matthew 6:5-18, Mark 11:22-26, Luke 11:2-4, Luke 11:9-13,
Luke 18:10-17, Isaiah 58, Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:25-29,
Hopefully these are helpful
God bless you all in Jesus holy name, i love you in Christ.
Remember and forgive all ppl their sins. Then we know that we are also forgiven by God. Luke 11:1-13
I have never spoken in tongues; although felt on the verge of it on occasion. I had been told by Pentacostals that I had to speak in tongues to be saved; which clearly is errant as God gives gifts severally as He chooses. Nonetheless; I am not going to discount that it is still occurring today; as I have known examples of those in my life with that gifting. However; it is clear with the Kundalini type spirit as one false manifestation that a demonic tongue certainly exists as do many imitations by Satan of God's good gifts from above. Again the lack of discernment is appalling when we see obvious possession taking away any possibility of things being "decent and in order" ( 1 Cor. 14:40). Tongues also rarely are interpreted although I have met individuals who claim they have heard it done properly on occasion.
It seems to me that there are prayer languages for personal edification; as well as ones to be interpreted in a church congregational setting. Again; to see the forest through the trees it should always be the GIVER of the gifts not the gifts themselves that is sought when we ask for more of the Holy Spirit. That is a prayer Christ Himself is said to fulfill ( Luke 11:13). The fear of God; and impending doom for the unbeliever fits in with the general ministry of the Spirit found in John 16:8-11 where sin; righteousness and judgment to come pierce men's hearts. There are verses where both a sign for nonbelievers and believers is what tongues is said to be meant for. ( 1 Cor. 14:22; 25). This could be the two types of tongues I mentioned or the purpose of ministry emphasizing one gift over the other; in this case prophecy. I'll let someone else tackle that. Again; there should be a surrendered; victorious; fruit bearing life as evidence of tongues or any other gift. Immature believers in the Corinthian church had gifts; but had to be severely rebuked for Paul to set them straight. The transformation shows that they were saved.
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But when it comes to righteous indignation (or better, anger) we really need to be careful that we are "majoring in majors and not majoring in minors". I've been in "church" situations where some address the pastor over insignificant matters, causing unneeded strife. Other times, people just brush off or look the other way concerning behaviors that are adverse to the godly way we are to behave and concerning teachings that are outrageously heretical or blasphemous. So, there is a "thin line" often between being truly acting from right motives and sinning when faced with something that we ought to be righteously angry over. But, we live in a culture, especially within the church that values "niceness" over honesty and being very "real". And people tend to be more receptive of flattery than honest, proper correction or even just an honest response.
In our society, sinful behaviors and words are not only to be tolerated, but accepted on equal level with the values of Christ and the belief in the exclusivity of the Christian Gospel over other religious beliefs. I face that in my own family, which is really at the root of the deep divide that exists. I don't know where all of this 'equity of acceptance of all things" will lead our society, but I do not think it will lead people to Jesus, for sure.
With all of this said, Jesus is the one who ultimately deals with the hearts, attitudes, and mindsets of other people. He may use us to bring truth, light, and conviction in others as well as consolation, encouragement, and uplifting of others who are downtrodden in their sins and seek a remedy.
I have met so many Christians who insist that Jesus never got angry or chastised or berated anyone. But He did, without sinning. He was always appropriate in any admonition or rebuke, getting straight to the heart of the matter to those who needed this. Yet He was gentle and compassionate to those who needed a loving, more soft-handed response from Him. He gave every person the words and works they most needed in those moments. We cannot, of course, know the minds and hearts of others like Jesus did and still does. But we can learn to discern what our response to others should be like. We learn to do this with our children in raising and nurturing them. Sometimes they need firmness and an unpleasant consequence, other times, grace, forgiveness, and understanding them in their weakness. Other times, we can give straight out instruction, and other times we let them try and fail at a task, learning to problem solve.
I do think we should never excuse in ourselves bad manners, ill feelings, nor rudeness to others, but in walking with the Spirit we can come to know what is the best and most appropriate things to say and do. For instance, this week I needed to advocate for my siblings in matters concerning how our oldest sister, who is power of attorney and executor of our Mom's estate is not only handling these funds, but in requesting that she disclose bank statements and an accounting of what is paid out, for what, and to whom. I knew that it would not sit well with her or a few other siblings who usually are on her side of the deep divide in our family (decades old), but I knew that I needed to address this sooner rather than later, for her benefit as well as for my other siblings who are all equal heirs. My request stirred up some emotional responses from some, but others were thanking me for addressing this issue. But my conscience is clear, as I meant no harm, nor had any ill intentions in this.
continued in Part 2
not saying door mat but genuine humbleness of mind. Instead a lot of so called Christians have a self righteous attitude
and with unbelievers if you don't believe your going straight to hell. Show me that kind of mind set with Jesus Christ in
the Gospels and I'LL EAT THE BOOK. Now when it came to those in power yes he called it the way it is, but to those who
came to Him with genuine heart to be delivered they got delivered. The way I see it judge not for thou shalt be judged,
and above all walk in love because that's what delivered me. Also consider 2 COR. 4:4 WHO HAS THEM BLINDED the same
god that did the same to me. Bottom line our occupation we plant we water but GOD GIVES THE INCREASE. BELIEVERS
AND I'M SAYING PEOPLE I KNOW tell me how evil the gov. and people in office are well their people and so were we. My
bible says to pray for those in office not ridicule but doctrine. We who choose stand and walk must stay on mark to
not let Gods love in us wax cold Math 24:12 because it was the LOVE OF GOD that delivered us and melted the hardness
in hearts so lets endeavor to keep it soft and as Ephesians 4:32 tenderhearted thats the goal that will deliver oithers if they
choose to believe and continue to make us whole. We already know everything in this world will wax or become worse and
worse so my mind endeavors to think about things above Col.3:1-5 because that's all that really counts.
The first thing that comes to mind, is a need from the Holy One! Only He knows what we need and when! If I know these things, then I should be happy!
Maybe Im not as happy as I should or could be ,and if not why?
The things around us are changing all the time. Are we consumned it seems with that which is past, and present, thinking somehow in this life, we should be happier than what we are? Are these the signs of the times? Or, are these thoughts the consequences of abiding in Him? Are these the offences that He speaks that will come too those who worship Him?
Are these things of the spirit of God!
So, How do we get to that place? Tell me How!
How do we get to the place where this Holy One will take our place, will become one with us? I hear the prophets and apostles words, I see Jesus walking and healing, and yet I am not filled! Maybe, I am not saved?
How can I know this love that passes all understanding? Must I be touched? Is it true that this corruption must put on incorruption? Why can we not experiance this incorruption now? I hear the voices! I hear the questions, I sence that these wish to see Him , this one called the WORD! Cry out! Cry out, for ourredemption draws nigh.
If you are in this place, than you are in Him! Love one another in all things, for the evil one has come and desires your soul!
Watch! I say watch! Repent and be Baptized
At this point; all bets are off. Jesus has to deal with the hearts of Pharisees; with their thoughts; or comments about Him using the Devil's (Beelzebub) power to cast out demons; and to the crowd in general saying that they are an "evil generation" seeking a sign (v. 29); then warning about light being darkness in us (or Satan appearing as an angel of light).
Finally; in verse 38 we see what would be considered (to say the least) bad manners after an invite to a meal. A simple concept of lack of handwashing which seemed trivial ended up in a railing accusation to the hypocrisy within for Pharisees in general. Then; to add insult to injury after He was informed that the lawyers were insulted He went after them!
(I would imagine there was a lot of indigestion there at that time).
The concept of righteous indignation especially among "religious" folks today seems like an ancient artifact. If judgment begins at the house of God; who is sounding the trumpet today?
From childhood this verse has been very special to me since it promises that the Father is so good and will give the Spirit to us when we ask HIM for this wonderful gift of Himself to us, the third person of the Trinity is given to us to abide in us and bring us in union with God. How precious is this promise!
God bless.
If you then , being evil , know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him ?
That was Jesus speaking .
Wow do you understand this ?
No need to take God at his word , just ask him in obedience, and trust him . Of course you desire to be led by the the Holy Spirit and not doing your own thing right ?
The word of God instructs us .
When you are blessed by the Holy Spirit in any measure you will know it , love , joy , peace are fruits of the spirit . So do not settle for a dead word only . God and his Holy Spirit are life changers . Amen ?
Romans 8, Hebrews 4:12,
Warning, 1Timothy 4:1,
1John 4:1-11, 1John 4,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study of your spirit & flesh; (body)
I believe you may be mistaken, not the Word of GOD
In my study I looked up the "Court"
The Court : Exodus 27, in the tabernacle, Exodus 40:20-33, the House: 1Kings 6:16-36, 1Kings 8:64, 2 Chronicles 4:6-22, Solomon made,
2Chronicles 24:18-27, Court, before captivity into Babylon, note Isaiah was prophesing of it, in 2 Chronicles,
Zechariah, Zacharias, etc. 2Chronicles 29:1, 2Kings 14:29, 2Kings 18:2 2Kings 15:8,11, even Luke 1:5,12,13,18,21,40,59,67,
There seems to be several men with same name, but Jesus specified "the son of Barachias" Zechariah 1:1, note: Luke 11:50-51, Matthew 23:31-39, 'between the temple & the alter '
Zechariah son of Berechaih was alive prophesing during the 2nd year of Darius, Zechariah 1:1, seemingly During: Daniel 6:1, Daniel 9:1, Daniel 11:1, the time of rebuilding, Ezra 4:24, Ezra 5:7, Ezra 6:13, Haggai 1:15, Haggai 2:10, Nehemiah 12:22,
Please note Zechariah 7:1, the house of The LORD was rebuilt & Zechariah approached their sin, Zechariah 7, he even speaks of the 70 years of captivity: Zechariah 7:5,
Hopefully these are helpful
Good bless u all, in Jesus name, love you in Ch
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1John 2:27,
John 14:13,14, John 16:23,
Luke 11:2-13, Matthew 6, Matthew 7:7-12, John 15:7,16, 1John 3:22, 1John 5:14,15,
Matthew 18:19, Matthew 21:22,
James 1:5, Matthew 6,
Hopefully these are even more helpful, straight from GOD's book,
John 17,
a. the Spirit's Deity.
Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).
Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).
Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).
Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
b. the Spirit's Procession.
Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).
Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).
So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).
Luke 16:22-31,
I guess my question is why?
Jesus has all authority: Luke 12:5, Luke 9:1, Mark 1:27, 1Corinthians 15:24, Matthew 28:18, Job 26:6, Psalms 139, Revelation 1:18,
Revelation 20, 2Peter 2:4,
Let's not divide over these issues, James 3:6,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
However wisdom may teach us not to stay around it. Matthew 10:23, Matthew 2:13-16,
James 1:5,
Hopefully these are helpful
I agree with the way you adressed this topic before. I believe you helped break down the biggest most divisive issue, when there is hypocrisy with abuses & blatant unrepented sins, there is accountability. I believe Jesus clearly taught accountability & old testament usually addressed as within Church / temple & leadership within, also: Isaiah 9:17, Matthew 20:1-19, Luke 20:45-47, Luke 11:39-54, Matthew 23, Isaiah 1:17, Isaiah 1, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 7:1-17, Jeremiah 22:3, Jeremiah 34:8-12 ._..
I believe you Chris or possibly someone else addressed the question we're they ever really saved?
I address this question as to answer the many outside the church who ask because of injustice etc. This site is for those, I believe most of all.
Faith Knight, I also agree with Adam & Chris this is an issue with disagreement. & hesitation is possibly warning. But, I included scripture covering love, meekness in the way, its addressed. John 15:18,24,25, Luke 21:17, Zechariah 13:6,
Count the cost? Luke 14:26-35,
Said in sincerity of Love, through the fellowship of Faith in Jesus Christ
I've understood it as watching dark things, allowing unholy images inside, instead turn away. Matthew 6:22-23,
Mark 9:47, Matthew 18:9, Luke 11:34-36, also seems to emphasise purity in what we see, choices. Mark 7:20-23, Matthew 20:15, it's used as harsh judgement, possibly seeing through judgemental eyes. Also Luke 6:42,
Hope this is helpful
Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,
Please read & study these:
Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,
Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,
Mark 6:7-13, Luke 9:49-50,
Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:17,
Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,
James 1:2-7, Luke 11:1-13,
Hopefully these are all helpful
1Kings 6:12,13, 1Kings 7:8, 1Kings 9:2-9, 1Kings 11:1-3, 1Kings 11:4-6,
1Kings 11:7, isn't that the horrible thing that started abortion? Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:2,3,4,5, Jeremiah 32:35, it seems to have caused sin multipled please see 2Kings 23, how long did those sins stay among the people? How sad for people who follow someone that leads them astray. & when a "wise" king sets up evil, how difficult is it to take out what an admired person sets up? 2Kings 23:13, 1Kings 14:21-31, 2Chronicles 33, Nehemiah 13:26,
also the contrary teachings, is that what made his son disrespectful to the elders, hypocrisy? 1Kings 12,? 2Chronicles 10:6 -8, ?
1Kings 11:9-11,
1Kings 11:12-14,
1Kings 11:40, isn't those actions like Saul's, unlike David who showed mercy to GOD's anointted.
1Chronicles 28:9 "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the GOD of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."
James 3:1,
Luke 11:31, Jesus speaking Matthew 11:11, Hebrews 8,
Hopefully these are helpful
Mild Bill - (Jesus said these ye ought to have done, pay tithe. and not to leave the other undone.) When Jesus says something we ought to do it, it is not an option.
Malachi 3:8-12 - Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi 3:10 - Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Matthew 6:1-4 - Take heed that ye do not your giving before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 6:38 - Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye give withal it shall be measured to you again.
Luke 11:42 - But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Luke 18:12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [don't brag]
Acts 2:44-47 - And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Acts 20:35 - I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
1 Corinthians 16:2 - Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 2 Corinthians 8:1-24
Give to missionaries
Mark 12:38-44, Leviticus 23:22, Deuteronomy 24:19-21,
Hopefully these are helpful
I pray deliverance from any and all attacks against you while you're sleeping! Spiritual, natural or both.
The 1st place I would like to start: Have you received or ask GOD to be LORD of your life? Accepting Jesus Christ as your savior? John 3:15-16,
With that we are sealed with promise, 2Corinthians 1:20-22, Ephesians 4:30, Ephesians 1:13, James 1:5, Acts 5:32, Romans 15:13, Acts 2:28, 1Corinthian 6:19, John 14:26, Acts 10:38, Mark 16:16-18, 1John 5:9-21,
* if you have not accepted Jesus as your personal LORD & Savior. Please do that right now, in prayer. 2Corinthians 6:2, 1Thessalonians 5:9, John 14:6,
Hebrews 1, note Hebrews 1:14, if you have received Jesus Christ as Savior, then the visible/invisible image was it fighting on your behalf?
* If you have been involved with anything associated with darkness & evil knowingly or others around you or in your dwelling have. Destroy those things, get it away from you. Turn away from those things. Ask forgiveness from our Father in Heaven. Matthew 6:23, Luke 11:34-36,
* Ephesians 5:11,
Ephesians 6,
Hopefully these are helpful.