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The first question one needs to ask is what is a Soul. The common belief is that a soul is the spiritual part of us, is eternal, and in passing our soul either ascend to heaven or descends to hell. Although in Genesis 2:7 we read that a Soul is the whole person (body and breath). The early Reformers taught and believed this.

Now what about death. The Bible talks about death as sleep. Psalm 13:3 "Consider and hear me, O Lord my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death". Jesus said in Luke 11:11 "--Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep."

The idea of an eternal soul is not Biblical. If we have within us an eternal soul that lives on after death then what need is there of a resurrection or the second coming of Christ. Paul explains this in 1 Corinthians 15:12-58.

My comments about that Woman in luke 11 : 27 that was praising Mary saying blessed is the womb that bare you and the paps you have sucked which was MARY ,BUT Jesus was refering to another Woman when he said rather blessed are them that hear the WORD and keeps it which is the WORLD that is gonna hear his voice his seed etc and bring forth fruit unto God. Jesus said the field was the world where that good seed will be sown in their hearts and that good seed is the living word the very seed of God thus he truly the son of man as all men will give birth to Christ in the last day, Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains when he spoke of the new covenant which is a birthing covenant , I WILL know them All from the least to the greatest which is an intimacy with God that is gonna result in a heavenly birth of Christ in all of US thus the Church is the bride that is gonna birth Christ a greater then MARY in a sense . Actually rather blessed are them that hear his words and keeps them as Jesus said. Read Jeremiah 30 : 6 Y do i see all men with their hands of their loins as woman in travail and birth pains a time of Jacobs troubles her Child is a heavenly Jacob which is the H.G. the ISRAEL OF GOD. Jeremiah saw all these things in the spiritual realm. when he saw the manchild that was gonna rule all nations and destroy everything not of faith. Gods battle ax. There is a greater MOTHER then Mary which is humanity. Remember David saw the whole world at rest and full of his GLORY in that last day. Jesus asked who is my mother ? then he said them that hear my words and keeps them simply b/c his word is gonna impregnate the whole WORLD and that is what God wanted when he made that GREAT PROMISE OF MULTIPLICATION SAYING I WILL MULTIPLY THY SEED AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN. thus the sower and his precious seed that new covenant . As Solomon said that thy NAME might be great in ALL the world . ok lemme go rake some leaves

Matthew 6:9-13; Luke 11:1-4 (in part).

John 14:9; John 1:1,14; Isaiah 10:30; John 8:58; Colossians 2:9; 1 John 5:7.

If you have seen me you have see god

Just to add: I also see that Jesus' sin bearing act which was based on such great Love for us, also meant a temporary loss of fellowship & communion with the Father - one that He constantly enjoyed prior to this time ( John 14:10, John 17:5, John 5:19,20).

In His great agony & distress, such an estrangement would have been almost unbearable, even comparable to the responsibility He carried by having all our sin & guilt placed upon Him. At a time when comfort, any comfort, would have given some small relief, the Father remained quiet, not allowing anything to hamper or hinder that ultimate work of salvation. Jesus knew this, but in His Humanity, His Cry was not just because of the pain in the flesh, but the pain of losing that constant blessed fellowship & ministry which was His right by His position in the Godhead.

I wonder whether Jesus' anguish & pain was also not felt by the Father - that it must have been a difficult response by God to remain incommunicado & estranged even for a short period of time. The break in any fellowship can be painful. But when sin is not the basis for pain & suffering, the agony becomes so much worse, yet it's ensuing result became the hope & joy of the world.

"This is something I am sure is easy to answer but I just have wondered about it but when Jesus was on the cross why did he say My God My God why have thee forsaken me. I thought maybe that he was in so much pain he did not know what he was saying? Thanks."

One must first understand the Godhead before one can understand how Christ could pray this prayer. The triune Godhead is comprised of three persons who are one monotheistic God. The scriptures reveal these persons are known as the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. This truth is found in numerous verses in the Bible, Gen.1:26; 3:22,Is.48:16, John 1:1-4, 1 Jn 5:7 to name a few.

The next thing a person needs to understand about the Godhead is that it has three attributes that make it unique. These three self-existent attributes are omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience. The Godhead is everywhere present, all-powerful, and all-knowing. The Godhead is perfect and cannot be tempted by sin, as James 1:13 explains. God required a perfect man to approach Him to redeem mankind, and thanks to Adam's fall, that man did not exist. This is why the Word laid down his self-existent attributes in the Godhead to live as the last Adam with is title as God to be tempted by sin and pay the penalty the law required to redeem mankind.

This truth is found in Is.9:6, Hebrews chapters 1 and 2, 1 Timothy 3:16, and other verses.

Colossians 2:9 explains the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Christ bodily. How do we know this is true? Christ was not omnipresent while on the earth. He dwelt in time and space in a single location(Jn1:14). Jesus was asked about the events of the tribulation, and he told his disciples the Father knew the day, not him( Matt. 24:36). Jesus was not omnipotent stating the Father did all the works through Him( Jn 14:10. After Christ rose he took back his self-existent position back in the Godhead to come dwell in all of mankind, which would require self-existent omnipresence. I hope this helps.

I do believe that he felt the spirit that came from god, at the time of his baptism depart, just before his death. It is finished.

While on the cross Jesus became Sin; a horror for the Father to see.

He took upon Himself not only the Sins of those who came before, but those who where alive at the time of His crucifixion- as well as those born after. Moreover, Jesus not only became Sin personified, but took on every sickness and disease. A metamorphosis took place while Jesus hung on the Cross; he became a curse - all of which had to be rejected and condemned by the Father.

This is something I am sure is easy to answer but I just have wondered about it but when Jesus was on the cross why did he say My God My God why have thee forsaken me. I thought maybe that he was in so much pain he did not know what he was saying? Thanks.

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This luke 11 : 27 Tells us alot about y Jesus refers to himself as the SON OF MAN. That woman that was praising Mary was saying blessed is the womb that bear you and the paps you have sucked but Jesus was talking bout another Woman the world that is gonna birth a baby Christ that is more blessed then MARY rather blessed are them that hear the Word ( that good seed ) and keeps it. That good seed is gonna make the WORLD HIS Mother he said the field is the world where that good seed is gona be sown which is humanity that is gonna give birth simply b/c of that good seed that is gonna be sown in THE FIELD. i.e the world is gonna be more blessed then MARY simply b/c we are gonna have a baby Christ THE SON OF MAN,MANKINDS FRUIT UNTO GOD via that good seed . ( them that hear the word that good seed ) and keeps it . I.E. the new birth via that good seed . Remember he said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me THE WORLD, God so loved the world etc. Jesus asked who is my Mother then he said them that hear the WORD and keeps it bringing forth fruit unto God. Its the CHURCH the bride that is gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. the CHILD OF PROMISE thus in a sense the Church is greater then Mary. 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains thus the world is gona have a baby Christ ,That was the great PROMISE i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven thus the world is gona have a baby Christ the SON OF MAN OK GBU. He wants the world to be his mother. Finally the woman gives birth to a baby Christ which is the manchild THE H.G.that is gona rule all nations. Which answers to the ISRAEL OF GOD. I know its a bit deep but David said we wd go down to sea in ships( fellow ship ) and do business in deep waters ( in the spritual realm.) ok gbu

The mentioning of lawyers in this passage & others is not how we understand that profession & their work today. In Jesus' day, lawyers were 'doctors of traditions'. They were famous for multiplying men's religious obligations often with 'hair splitting' interpretations making them extremely grievous for people to bear. And they were skilled in showing their obedience to these traditions but in fact were avoiding it themselves. It was a case of 'preaching what others should do yet not practising what they preach'. And how guilty some preachers are today: giving long & careful exposition of the Word in all piety, but leading lives inconsistent to what they proclaim. To these, Jesus came down heavily & called them 'hypocrites', as He did to the scribes & pharisees.

Lawyers today have a similar work of examining the Law with a 'fine toothed comb' to ensure that their clients get the best possible outcome, but their profession restricts them to defending (or, prosecuting) rather than one of enforcement. So in one sense, the lawyers of Jesus' day could be likened to the law enforcing officials of today, without the matter of hypocrisy becoming an issue as it was for the Jews in those days.

Verse 46 seems not to speak well of lawyers or is it my reading of it. Luke 11 v.46.

Thank you for your reply. The reason I ask is that in mark 2:22 says no one puts new wine in old bottles wasn't always wine skins? Also in luke 19:23 uses the word bank "Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury" Did they have banks when they translated 1611 kjv? Also in Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, wasn't it always "the lion shall down with the lamb? And the our father prayer in Luke 11:2, now says "Our Father which art in heaven" wasn't it always "our father WHO art in heaven"? I have many more discrepancies.

Theres a third place, a place called paradise where we will be judged for the good or the bad that we have done while we was alive.

Dylan, you've touched on several aspects of God's dealing with us.

Firstly, when the Bible speaks of 'election' it means that God had in the distant past selected those that would be His children, receive His favour & partake of His Kingdom. Israel is said to be His elect (e.g. Isaiah 45:4) & now those also who have now come to Him for salvation through Jesus Christ His Son (e.g. Colossians 3:12). So if a person does not fall into those categories (i.e. Israel & those born again of God's Spirit), they are not classified as the Elect of God. If a person leads a good life & is generous with his goods to others, this still does not make him acceptable to God, since not one person, bar Christ, was ever good enough to please God ( Romans 3:10, 23).

Now, there's another word similar in meaning to 'election', & that is 'predestination'. These words are almost interchangeable except 'predestination' is used exclusively to born again believers who have been predestined (again, we were appointed before time), to partake in the adoption process. That is, believers might have been elected to be partakers of Kingdom Life, but we have also been appointed to go through the adoption process whereby God, in Love & Mercy, takes someone not in His original family & brings him into His family because of his faith in Jesus Christ. (see Ephesians 1:5, 11). So as a result of our adoption, our predestination into God's Family includes that we don't have Hell as our destiny, but Heaven.

The Bible doesn't speak of any other place where people who die can go to, except Heaven or Hell. Some religions teach falsely of an intermediary place (e.g. purgatory), for a period of further cleansing so as to enter Heaven, but Jesus always taught that there are only two places ( Matthew 18:1-11, for an example of either entering Heaven or Hell). And the decision we make on Earth now determines where our eventual destiny will be. Some mistakenly believe they are on the right way but..for Proverbs 14:12.

What happens 2 the people who dont go TO hell or heaven?

what if u were good and christ child but you were not a elect?

Wesley's Notes for Luke 11:52

11:52 Ye have taken away the key of knowledge - Ye have obscured and destroyed the knowledge of the Messiah, which is the key of both the present and the future kingdom of heaven; the kingdom of grace and glory. Ye have not entered in - Into the present kingdom of heaven.

People's Bible Notes for Luke 11:52

Lu 11:52 Taken away the key of knowledge. Matthew, in different words, gives the thought. " Mt 23:12".

The Pharisees highly resented everything Jesus said about himself. The refused Him as the Son of God, Messiah: and they sought to have him arrested for Blasphemy.

Try to read the Gospels one after another and you will see the works of the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Scribes.

What is "the Key of knowledge" in Luke 11:52 ?

Scriptures for any who are tempted to get into the spirit of Halloween. Hint: it is not a Christian holiday.

From these scriptures it looks to me like it is an opening forspiritsto step into our world.

Romans 12:21

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

1 John 4:4

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Luke 11:22

But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

2 Peter 2:19

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

I asked my kid what it was he liked most about Halloween: he said CANDY. We went to the store and he got 20.00 to get the good stuff. Nothing in a Halloween wrappers.

We had a pumpkin fight in the backyard. Slime seeds everywhere. Everyone liked that.

Then we watched Dennis the Menace and ate pizza till 8.

Don't confuse your kids that it's ok to have fun with the devil one day a year. People won't ring your doorbell if the light is off.

What does Luke 11-23,24,25 mean

Comments by Alex about the Woman in luke 11 v 28. She was praising Mary, But Jesus had another woman in mind which is humanity the world.Rather blessed are them that hear the WORD and keeps it thats humanity the world as he said the field was the world where that good seed will be planted and they will birth a baby Christ the son of man they are more blessed simply b/c they neva lose their Child. the H.G. The Child of Promise the Kingdom. Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil child etc.Isaiah says thou shall suck dry the breasts of the GENTILES meaning the world is gona birth a baby Christ they are more blessed. Kings shall be your nursing fathers and Queens shall be your nursing mothers.The world is gona birth a BABY CHRIST WHICH IS THE H.G. THE CHILD OF PROMISE. Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN.Mankind has to bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G. Another Christ the GRANSON, beginning of the Israel of God That was the Promise. The Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven is just prophetic that there is gonna be an Israel of God,Thats y he told Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob, THAT IS MY NAME FOREVER AND MY MEMORIAL TO ALL GENERATIONS.Thus its the father that wants a posterity,Christ was just his 1st born of many brethren, he wants to be multiplied as the stars of heaven in our hearts,Thats y Jesus said to whom the WORD came it made them Gods . Thats who he is talking about when he mentions the babes and sucklings is the multiplcation of CHRIST. GODS Thats y the woman is giving birth the child is a baby Christ That are gonna be as the stars of heaven,The Children of Promise them that hear his Words and keeps them are the Woman that Jesus had in mind when he told the woman in luke 11 Rather blessed are them that hear the word and keeps it.

The best evidence of the Holy Spirit in a person is that Jesus Christ is glorified:

( John 16:13-15) - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

( 1 Corinthians 12:3) - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The same chapter 12 in 1 Corinthians lists certain gifts of the Spirit and explains their true purpose; to build up the Church. Tongues was but one of the sign gifts. Paul teaches its proper place in 1 Corinthians chapter 14.

Ephesians chapter 5 exhorts us to walk worthy and be filled with the Spirit.

The fruit of the Spirit is evidence of our walking in the Spirit:

( Galatians 5:22-23) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Is speaking in tongues the evidence a person has been filled with the Holy Spirit or are we filled after we repent and are baptized...by faith in Christ(apart from speaking in tongues?)

To FRED SCANLAN

Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).

When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.

Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself

CHASTENING

Deut. 8:5

Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19

Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71

Proverbs 3:11

Isaiah 26:16

1 Cor. 11:32

Hebrews 12:5,6

James 1:12

1 Peter 1:7

Rev. 3:15-21

AFFLICTIONS

Psalms 34:19; 132:1

Isaiah 48:10

Acts 7:10; 20:23

2 Cor. 6:4

Col. 1:24

1 Thess 3:3

Hebrews 12:5-12

Rev. 3:18

SICKNESS AND HEALING

Exodus 15:26

Psalm 6:2

Isaiah 30:26

Jer. 30:17

Eze. 34:16

Hosea 6:1

Mal. 4:2

Matthew 10:8

Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31

James 5:15

1 Peter 2:24

Rev. 22:2

RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE



2 Chr. 16:12,13

Job 13:4

Psalms 34:19; 108:12

Isaiah 30:1-3

Jer. 17:5-7,14

Hosea 5:13

Mark 5:25-29

Luke 8:43

MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING

Job 5:18; 23:10

Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71

Isaiah 48:10

Jer. 31:18

Hosea 5:15; 6:1

Romans 8:17

2 Cor. 4:17

Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11

1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10

Rev. 3:19

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

To FRED SCANLAN

Please consider the following, as you refuse to accept God's 'Life' giving message ( John 18:37).

God unites His people (the believers) by His Spirit ( John 4:24; Eph. 4:3-6,13).



Luke 9:56. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Matthew 11:6. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me ( Isa. 8:14; Matthew 13:57; 24:10; 26:31; Rom. 9:32; 1 Cor. 1:23; 2:14; Gal. 5:11; 1 Peter 2:8).

John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Luke 11:22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

1 John 4:4-6. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he than is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice ( John 8:47; 18:37).

You search the scriptures for in them ye think that ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life ( John 5:39,40).

He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged by no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true ( Proverbs 1:7; 10:8,21; 12:15; 13:20; 14:9; 16:22; 18:2; 20:3; 29:11; Luke 18:10-14; Cor. 1:20; 2:14; 15:36).

We regret that you are not able to understand any of the above ( 1 Cor. 2:14; 2 Cor. 7:10). Notwithstanding: Seek and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation ( Romans 10:2-4).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg

To ALEX

Please consider the following, as you refuse to accept God's 'Life' giving message ( John 18:37; Hebrews 12:25).

God unites His people (the believers) by His Spirit ( John 4:24; Eph. 4:3-6,13).



Luke 9:56. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Matthew 11:6. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me ( Isa. 8:14; Matthew 13:57; 24:10; 26:31; Rom. 9:32; 1 Cor. 1:23; 2:14; Gal. 5:11; 1 Peter 2:8).

John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Luke 11:22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

1 John 4:4-6. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he than is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice ( John 8:47; 18:37).

You search the scriptures for in them ye think that ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life ( John 5:39,40).

He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged by no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true ( Proverbs 1:7; 10:8,21; 12:15; 13:20; 14:9; 16:22; 18:2; 20:3; 29:11; Luke 18:10-14; Cor. 1:20; 2:14; 15:36).

We regret that you are not able to understand any of the above ( 1 Cor. 2:14; 2 Cor. 7:10). Notwithstanding: Seek and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation ( Romans 10:2-4).

In His Service.

Andy & Diane van den Berg

To JOEL OSTEEN

The following is a List of other deceivers who take from the people and fly their own jets.

1. Kenneth Copeland: Gulfstream V

2. Jesse Duplantis: Dassault Falcon 7X

3. Jerry Savelle: Cessna 500

4. Joyce Meyer: Gulfstream IV

5. Creflo A. Dollar: Gulfstream III

6. Joel Osteen: Airbus A319

7. Paul and Jan Crouch: Bombardier BD-700-1A10

8. Paul and Jan Crouch: Hawker 800XP

9. Pat Robertson: Learjet 35

10. Mark Barclay: Cessna Citation III

Also, please read about the 'strong man'in Luke 11:21.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

To MISHAEL,

Please consider the following as you follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ.

God unites His people (the believers) by His Spirit ( John 4:24; Eph. 4:3-6,13).

Luke 9:56. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Matthew 11:6. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me ( Isa. 8:14; Matthew 13:57; 24:10; 26:31; Rom. 9:32; 1 Cor. 1:23; 2:14; Gal. 5:11; 1 Peter 2:8).

John 3:19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Luke 11:22. But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

1 John 4:4-6. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he than is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice ( John 8:47; 18:37).

You search the scriptures for in them ye think that ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life ( John 5:39,40).

He that is spiritual judgeth (discerneth) all things, yet he himself is judged by no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true ( Proverbs 1:7; 10:8,21; 12:15; 13:20; 14:9; 16:22; 18:2; 20:3; 29:11; Luke 18:10-14; Cor. 1:20; 2:14; 15:36).

We regret that you are not able to understand any of the above ( 1 Cor. 2:14; 2 Cor. 7:10). Notwithstanding: Seek and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

Don't let your self-righteousness stand in the way of your salvation ( Romans 10:2-4).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg