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  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    In Luke 12:35-48 there are some credible words. Pay special attention to v. 48. Before, I've read this as a judgment on those who don't listen. But here it says that we will get what we deserve. That is, if you are a Jesus save person, we can never be anything else. It is the surrounding environment that creates this division. Jesus explains it in the next section.

    In 1 Timothy 1:18-20, we get another small clue that the condemnation the Christians bring upon themselves is and becomes sensual/bodily and certainly not in the Spirit of the Lord. Pay special attention here to v. 20. Even Paul is saying here that they will learn! That means they are not condemned by him or Jesus. So what does that mean? For us grace over grace. We must work on our salvation with fear and trembling. Because Jesus says it at the beginning of this chapter of Luke. Repent and understand the difference between body, soul, and spirit. Ask for forgiveness loudly so that our enemy can never ever pass the transgressions a few more times for us. Those we have, in the body of Jesus we are equal before God. Amen. For we converted have received the Spirit of the Lord and understand when we have done something wrong. Hallelujah, we have no escapes. And we're doing the best we can, aren't we? Praise be to God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

    Which of us wants to throw away the only nice/good thing we have in life?

    So we take up our sword and repel our enemies. You're right Bill, remember and be strong and brave. He never leaves you. He is. Love u all in Christ, and have a much happy Easter. Considering that He is alive today!
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Living in the Spirit (part 4).

    Growth can and indeed will occur with good soil and the implanted seed of the Spirit. When we sow with tears we reap with joy ( Psalm 126:5-6). Indeed; these verses show us that the harvest is present with us and surely is our reward for effective service (see also Hebrews 6:10; Isaiah 55:10-11). Just as our walk in Christ isn't just a spectator sport; our participation isn't merely an individual source of growth; but mutually edifying for the body. That is how spiritual gifts are to be properly practiced (see 1 Cor. 12 starting in verse 4).

    We should therefore rejoice when others rejoice; weep when others weep ( Philippians 4:4). This explains why it is often better to be in the house of mourning than feasting ( Ecclesiastes 7:2-4). I am not one to argue whether Christ had a sense of humor; but will state that it is better to refrain from jokes if there is any uncertainty and certainly from "course jesting" ( Eph. 5:3-4).

    God is steadfast and unchanging; unlike the vicissitudes of the human heart. Stability comes from a well grounded faith and walking in the Spirit as our "sure foundation and anchor of our soul" ( Heb. 6:19).

    Patience being one of the fruits of the Spirit especially today is; in my opinion underrated as to its value. Just a brief survey of Bible characters shows how many things took time to completion; whether with Abraham's wanderings and progeny; Moses' deliverance; Joseph's prominance; and David's ascension to the throne. In fact too much success too quickly was a factor in Solomon's fall despite God warning him not to multiply gold and horses as well as foreign wives. This is the real issue with the "prosperity gospel" as surely God as well as Satan can be the facilitator of worldly gain (as well as efforts from hard work). It is the pride and comfort in our possessions which bring a man down (see Luke 12:16-21). It also makes rich people give a disporportionally low percentage vs the poor
  • TammyC - In Reply - 1 year ago
    In Numbers 5, it seems to say what it means, if a man is suspicious that his wife has sinned against him with another, the ritual is done with an oath of cursing, if she is innocent, she is free and nothing will happen to her, but if she's guilty, her stomach will swell and thigh will rot. I would say Luke 12:2 "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." is what's happening here. I hope this helps. God Bless
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 11 - 1 year ago
    Hi Cheryl.

    I will share my view.

    In Luke 1:16-17 an Angel tells Johns father, "Zacharias". That he would have a son And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

    And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

    John the baptist had a great crowd and devout followers and he preached the coming of their expected Messiah and King.

    The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).

    In the context of this chapter we have Jesus authenticating John's ministry.

    SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE TEXT.

    Mathew 11:12.

    And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

    Let's look at the word violence in this text.

    Greek:

    Transliteration: biaz

    Pronunciation: bee-ad'-zo

    Definition: From G970; to force that is (reflexively) to crowd oneself (into) or (passively) TO BE SEIZED: - PRESS SUFFER VIOLENCE

    The pressing multitudes that had followed John continued to follow Jesus' ( Luke 5:15, Luke 12:1).

    This is what Jesus is saying "The kingdom of God suffers violence." Pointing to the huge crowds that followed John and that were now following Him, Jesus likens them to an invading army surrounding a city to capture it.

    Look at Luke's account.

    Luke 16:16.

    The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    ( From the days of John the Baptist until now," there has been an extraordinary rush of people pressing in from all sides eager to hear the gospel that they resembled an army trying to besiege a city.)

    Matthew 11:14 he says;

    "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 1 year ago
    Hello Skyler. According to Revelation 20:11-15, hell (in Greek, Hades: the abode of the departed spirits), will not last forever. In that very last day when all are judged by God (at the Great White Throne judgement), all those who have died & not found written in the Book of Life, would be found guilty before God & cast into the Lake of Fire. Not only them, but "death & hell" as well, as there would no longer be any need for them, since sin will be no more as Satan himself will be consigned to that fiery Lake (v20) & with him all who have rejected God & His Son Jesus Christ. So, there will be a day when hell will be emptied out & removed altogether, but the Lake of Fire will exist for eternity in the final judgement of those who rejected God's Love.

    And Jesus spoke of this final place in Luke 12:4,5: "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." Here the word for 'hell' in Greek, is 'geenna or gehenna', which is different from the (temporary Hell/Hades). And this place (Gehenna) is the final place of eternal torment; but those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life ( Revelation 21:27) will live eternally with God & His Son, with the host of Heaven, on the new Earth in the New Jerusalem where there will be no more sin & Satan to deceive mankind.
  • Mel8 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Honestly , I can't see any good in that . Maybe I'm a very cynical person , I just don't see why we would need to say something in private , about the Bible , that we can't say on this public forum . What would I want to say to someone on here that I couldn't say in front of everyone ? For many years at my congregations weekly Bible class , women were not permitted to speak . I was kind of irked by this when I first joined , after I'd been there for a long long time , they decided to change the rules and let women speak . I never say one word . So now I feel bad for not speaking because everyone else , men and women , think that I'm passing a negative judgement on them by not speaking . If I had been speaking I know that I would have embarrassed myself but even worse I would have embarrassed others . So , despite the fact that I know my silence annoys everyone else , I'm keeping my mouth shut . I just think that if you can't say what you want to say to all of us , why ? Why can't you say it in front of all of us ? Luke 8:17+18 and Luke 12:2+3 .
  • Alex1900 - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Barbara...Lemme give ya my slant on the lake of fire...And Rev 20:15...One of my favorite scriptures...And Hebrews 12:29....Our God is a consuming fire...and Luke 12:49....I come to bring fire on the earth...Which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire...Which answers to the book of life that NEW covenant in his blood...Plz listen with your heart to Rev 20:15...If any man was not found written in the book of life ( that New Covenant in his blood) he was cast into the lake of fire...Which is that fire that Jesus said he wanted to bring on the earth...That new covenant in his blood...Remember our God is a consuming fire which is baptism of the H.G. and fire...

    ..... Malachi 3:2 kjv....Who shall abide the day of his coming...( 2 nd coming )...Who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a REFINERS FIRE and fullers soap a cleasing fire...That FIRE that Jesus wants to bring to all the world...H.G. FIRE...He is gonna wash everyone of us with his spirit...Which is the H.g. the gift of God....I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh..

    .....Thus there will be no more death or hell...As our God is a consuming fire that is gonna consume satan and his angels...Which is mans carnal minds...Satans seat..reAnd that y we must be bornagain of that incorruptible seed which are the words of that NEW COVENANT that he wrote with his own blood....That book of life....Thats y the scrip. is saying if anyman was not found written in the book of life ( washed in the blood of the lamb ) ....He was cast into the lake of fire...Baptism of the H.G and fire...I will pour out of my spirit on ALL FLESH...Thats y Jesus was saying if I

    be lifted up ( the blood ) I will draw ALL MEN unto me.

    .....Thats y Jesus was saying Every sinner will have his part in the lake of fire...O thank you Jesus...Its God that is that LAKE OF FIRE....Thru baptism of the H.G AND FIRE...Remember Jesus rebuked James and John when they wanted to call down a literal fire on the samartians....Our God is th fire
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 1.

    Thanks again Jimbob. If I might take our discussion to anothe level. One great fact of the Church's Rapture, is not only its imminency but its suddenness. In the NT, the command was for readiness ( Matthew 25:13 (10 virgins); Luke 12:40; Philippians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13), for Christ's coming. The early Church was expecting it & proclaiming it, but the scoffers, then & now have proved themselves right ( 2 Peter 3:3,4) - Jesus hadn't come, nor has history ever recorded such a 'parousia' ever taking place. But the Church still continues to wait, knowing that God's Word is True & that God's Time is never man's concept of time ( 2 Peter 3:8). Therefore the question: why should we await for the any-moment return of Jesus, if that return could be quite easily plotted by the 'falling away', the appearance of the anti-Christ, even the beginning of the Great Tribulation (of God's Wrath which you believe only includes those catastrophic events of Matthew 24:29; Revelation chapter 16)?
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Sin and the multifaceted aspects vs. the Spirit filled life

    Surely; our sins will find us out ( Numbers 32:23). As will all things we say in the closet will be spoken on the rooftops ( Luke 12:3). Even Paul struggled as he said that he continued to do things that he hates ( Romans 7:15).

    As long as we exist in these mortal fallable bodies our capacity for sin remains. That will; of course be done away with when the "perishable puts on the imperishable" ( 1 Cor. 15:53-57). As for now; we must remain "proactive" in order to catch things at the pass before they affect our minds; and then take a foothold on our souls.

    The imaginations of men and the mind is where Satan takes a foothold. Romans 12:2 tells us to be thus "transformed by the renewing of our minds."

    To understand sin we must see the root of the problem that is; our sin "nature". Such a term isn't specifically used in scripture; but we see how the "INTENT of the thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually." ( Gen. 6:5). I highlighted the word intent to show that there is a deliberate desire to sin; once men are totally unrestrained and we see this reflected in society today. Such behaviors also result in what happens in Romans 1:32 where sins of others are celebrated; as it were. Such is evident in many movements and demonstrations today.

    There are specific ways in which sins have a stronghold; these include repeated patterns and established habits; family upbringing; demonic influence as to enhanced appeal of sensual and other experiences (or "highs") whether drug induced or not; music; support from friends; and other individual circumstances. The difference; of course between a true Christian and the rest of the world is that now we have the choice to pursue His righteousness and live in grace as the Holy Spirit sanctifies us. This allows us to be "treasure in earthen vessels" ( 2 Cor. 4:7) living out our days in fear (see 1 Peter 1:17).

    More on walking in faith later.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    1Timothy 6:6-12, 1John 2:15, John 10, Proverbs 29:23-27, Luke 12:33-59, 1Peter 4, James 5, Luke 9:3, John 2:13-16, Psalms 15:5, Acts 3,

    Isaiah 55, = John 6, Matthew 6, Luke 16:13,

    Please prayerfully consider these scriptures,
  • Free - 1 year ago
    Dear everyone. We give thanks for the day, and we give thanks for the night too. I came across some words of the Lord last night, and know that someone here will have them. Luke 12:8-12

    Hopefully with this, more people will be built up and feel cared for. There are many who struggle and strive, what did Jesus say? He wanted us to come to Him. With all ours, put it on Him. He can carry it. He wants it. Because We can't do it ourselves.

    May the peace of God rest upon you all, and your hearts be filled with the Spirit of Jesus. So that we witness and pray for all people on this created earth. Without getting tired and weary. With Him we are strong and happy always. Stay strong in the word never lose hope. Behold, I am coming soon says Jesus.

    Suddenly we get lost and in a way gagged for a while by the dark powers. We cast off the gag in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And fills our soul with good things from God, as He said. Everything that is written in the Word of God is a Living Word of God, because men were inspired by the Lord, Beloved Lord, Be renewed in the Lord. Stay close to the Lord always. God bless you all, Amen.

    He is near. He Loves u all, i love u all in Christ. Hallelujah for the blood of Jesus that flowed on Calvary! Death has no power, it is long gone. The matter has been settled, and we are following along. Amen
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I was just going back over Questions to see if we missed answering any.

    We will all give account Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4, Jude 1, Matthew 16:27,

    Also says Work out your own salvation with fear & trembling Philippians 2, Matthew 25:31-46,

    Please notice context to What's being said, Luke 13:24,30, Matthew 24, Luke 18:24, Luke 18:9-43,

    like Malachi 3:5, James 1,26,27, James 1, Luke 12, Luke 12:42-48,

    I see within all of these, it's very important how we treat others especially those in deepest need, fatherless, widows, orphans etc.

    1John 1:9, James 1:5

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Leaven and Tares

    Part 1.

    Leviticus 23:17.

    Matthew 13:31-33.

    What does these scriptures have in common?

    Leaven in the Bible always represents evil and corruption.

    Why is ir mentioned in these particular passages?

    Leviticus 23:17.

    Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with LEAVEN; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

    Matthew 13:31-33.

    Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

    Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

    Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto LEAVEN, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was LEAVENED.

    In the OT leaven was a type of sin, evil, or corruption. When the two angels visited Lot in Sodom they were invited to eat "unleavened bread" ( Gen. 19:3). In connection with Israel's redemption from Egypt they were to eat the Passover with "unleavened bread" ( Ex. 12:8). Leaven was to be excluded from all blood offerings and sacrificial offerings made by fire.

    In Leviticus 7:13 the leaven is present in the offering because sin is still present in the offerer! Leaven was permitted in the two wave loaves of Leviticus 23:17 because they represent two classes, the Jew and Gentile who are now made one in Christ. Although saved, the old nature is still present. When bread typifies Christ, it is unleavened; when bread typifies man, it is always leavened.

    Jesus warned the disciples to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" ( Matthew 16:6; and Luke 12:1).

    See part 2.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalms 28, Isaiah 40:29, Psalms 138:3, Psalms 140:7, Psalms 46:1, Psalms 19:14,

    Psalms 34:19

    Luke 21:12-15, context Luke 21, Matthew 10:16-20, context Matthew 10, Mark 13:9-11, context Mark 13,

    Luke 12:8, 2Timothy 3:12, Romans 8:22-39

    Hopefully these strengthen you
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, James 2, 2Peter 1, 2Peter 1:10 "wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall:"

    James 5:9, "brethren" "lest you be condemned" James 5, in context

    Points out, these for-sure think they are 'saved' entitled" to enter they even boast of the Religiousness, Matthew 7:21-24, "Many will say in that day Lord, Lord, have we not ._._." & those who actually feel unworthy, were/are welcomed. Matthew 25:37-40. When anyone starts thinking they're all deserving we need beware by being aware! Because pride comes before a fall'' Proverbs 16:18,

    Matthew 7:21 "._._. but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" Micah 6:8, James 1:27,

    2Timothy 2:15,

    With much study there indicates the treatment of "the least of these" is a major weight to GOD ALMIGHTY throughout the scriptures, Old & New Testament. Luke 12:45-47, note (abusive treatment towards people having less authority,) "._._ will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers" context Luke 12, indicating these are "believers"

    Please notice

    James 2:13-19, "For he shall have judgement without mercy, that hath showed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgement. What doth it profit my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say thou hast faith, and I have works: Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; Thou doest well: The devils also believe and tremble." James 2 in context

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalms 138:8, Luke 12:6, Psalms 34:18,

    Hopefully these are also comforting
  • T Levis - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Johnnie,

    Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 19:1-12, Ephesians 4:5,

    I think the main point is the outward living life, dead to the flesh ( selfishness, bad actions, etc. ) resurrection in the last days, is the goal. Mark 10:38, Luke 12:50, Colossians 2:12-14, 1Peter 3:18-22,

    * Romans 6:3,4, please read all of Romans 6, chapter, Colossians 3:1-17,

    John 12:23-36, Romans 8:13, Luke 14:27-33,

    Hopefully these are helpful

    If you have trouble understanding pray for wisdom: James 1:5
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Luke 16:31, Matthew 6:24, Hebrews 12:27-29, Matthew 6, noting 6:32-34, noting Luke 12:30,31,32,33,34,

    Proverbs 4:5-27, James 1:5, Ecclesiastes 7:12, Proverbs 112:5,

    Proverbs 14:9,

    Proverbs 8,

    Hopefully these are encouraging as you pray & helpful as you're seeking GOD. Thank you for trusting us with your prayer needs
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalms 37, Luke 12:2,

    Ask GOD for wisdom, James 1:5, Psalms 43:1,

    Proverbs 28:8, Proverbs 3:6,
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Baptism: Acts 2:38-47, Matthew 28:18-20, these are the same baptism, Ephesians 4:5, context Ephesians 4:1-13, please read all the scriptures I've included even the scriptures surrounding the ones you're asking about. They're very important on what Jesus our Christ =(the Messiah) is saying & the Scripture is saying about Him.

    Origin of Baptism: Matthew 3, Mark 1, Luke 3, John 1, John 3 - John 4:1,2, ; Matthew 21:25, Mark 11:30, Luke 7, Luke 20:4, Acts 13:24,25,26,

    Acts 1,

    Symbolism of baptism: Matthew 20:22-28, Matthew 11:10,11,12,13, Mark 10, note these scriptures in Mark 10:21,29,30,31,32,33,34,38,39,42,43,44,45, Mark 16:16, Luke 12:49-59, in context Luke 12, John 3:3,5, Romans 6, Colossians 2:12, 1Peter 3:21,

    HOLY Ghost HOLY Spirit Baptism: Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 11, Acts 19:2-7,

    In one Spirit 1Corinthians 12:13,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 24 - 2 years ago
    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    Luke 12:5

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    Romans 6:1-2

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Matthew 12:31-32

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    Hebrews 3:12

    Romans 11

    The Bible answers this question quite clearly. Some are trying to use human logic through cherrypicking and misinterpreting a couple verses instead of simply believing God's truth through the whole Bible. Satan wants people to assume they have an insurance policy and license to commit unlimited sin and do whatever they want.

    Does the Bible even say you're instantly "saved" when you start to believe, or does it say that you can have hope of salvation and assurance of salvation if you are a genuine follower until the "end" on the day of judgment? Let's see if the Bible says "now" or in the "end"...

    Matthew 24:13

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    1 Peter 1:5

    - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Peter 1:13

    "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Hebrews 10:36

    "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
  • Derek - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Ayen, I am grateful to hear from you. Please hang in there. You got a lot of great responses from Christian brothers and sisters wanting to help. Praying these lift you up.

    "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do." Luke 12:4 KJV

    I think it means we don't have to be afraid of others. They don't control us.

    Philippians 4:10-13 - Paul was in prison, beaten, had all kinds of hardship, people wanted to kill him, was hungry, he probably dealt with guilt from his past, he walked long distances and stayed in random places regularly. But (verse 11) he said he found the secret of being content. This means our external circumstances don't affect our emotional state of joy in the Lord or contentment as much as people commonly assume.

    "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." 1 Corinthians 10:13 KJV

    This means to me that God is aware of our circumstance and won't let us be trapped in a situation of sin. We always have a way out.

    One way to love and be fair to yourself is by challenging any negative ideas to see if they are based on truth or not. Not all thoughts are true and its ok to gently challenge them.

    For example I used to think bad things about myself and the belief crippled me for some years, but I later discovered weren't true. It was liberating and felt free realizing this.

    If you were to start this challenge I would start by re-examining statements you said like "I cannot get anywhere in life" or "GOD will not stop Satan's bchildren from stopping me" and ask for each: is that really true? Is there any evidence for this or what is this idea based on? Is it true for others? What if it isn't true? What is the evidence of it not being true?"
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Earl,

    While you didn't directly address the questions, your chosen response indicates you might believe the New Testament isn't literal and are just parables to you, is that correct? You quoted the old testament suggesting that you might think that's literal, however. Do you mind sharing how you came to this belief?

    For the benefit of anyone else reading this there are plenty of verses in the Bible about the literal hell:

    Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

    Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    etc

    Do you believe Jesus literally is Lord and literally died on the cross for you?
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thank you S Spencer for your detailed reply.

    Regarding worship there seems to be many Christians who assume its bad to put effort into anything or be obedient or do anything active towards living as a Christian, because they believe its 'works' and they've been taught that all works is 'bad' despite scripture like James 2:26. I believe they think that Christians are on autopilot as the holy spirit leads them, that their name is already in the book of life and that their actions don't even matter anymore. And if they don't feel a deliberate force (such as the holy spirit) making them worship God, then they won't. If they feel a 'force' instead directs them to go to an adult nightclub and engage in sin they may do that instead, however, even if that 'force' is mistaken for temptation from satan. But some who identify as Christians believe they no longer have freewill to sin, despite verses like Rom 3:10. Some assume that even if they sin by the world's standards that not really sin according to God, therefore they shouldn't have any concerns about it whatsoever, despite Luke 12:5.

    Given this belief, does God want worship to be a deliberate choice? Is it a command we as Christians must continue to do daily as a 'sacrifice of praise', or is it something just here and there to consider doing if convenient, or should we do absolutely nothing and 100% trust a spiritual force to direct us if we ever need to worship God?
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Commentary on heaven

    Today our church had the last of a series of messages about heaven and eternity. There were sufficient scriptural passages referred to make the basic point of the visual splendors of the great city; as well as all the ways we will find fulfillment there.

    With reflection; however it would seem to me that we must be careful not to focus on the creation above the Creator. Lucifer; after all was a large part of the music worship and was clothed in splendor (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He would have seen all the ornate opulance of heaven itself along with the heavenly city in whatever state it was in prior to the time He had completed mansions for His people. Whether it existed for all eternity itself or was created at the dawn of time; we need to look at the Triune God Himself as being unique in character as well as superior to His created beings. Even the Word of God has patterns and inherent life in it's words which are suitable to cut to the marrow of soul and spirit ( Heb. 4:12).

    We need to stop to reflect on the true nature of heavenly treasure; it is first and foremost meant to honor God; as well as being a place for His saints to dwell in; where there is nothing unclean entering into it and it is perfectly Holy. ( Rev. 21:27). It should be seen in the dirt villages and the prisons where humble servants who are saints of the Most High are serving the Lord by proclaiming the Good News. There; we can look into the eyes of believers and see Christ who through obedient service are gaining eternal blessings in treasures that cannot fade away ( Luke 12:33-34). Here; we see people who are sold out to Christ and have no desire to grasp onto things of this world. It is a process for some of us; but we must all produce good fruit and overcome the temptations of this life and ensnarement of the love of money; which only can occur when sealed with the Holy Spirit and living out what lives in our hearts. ( Eph. 1:13-14; Phil 2:12-13).
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 3:14,15, just like then, the trick & deception was within twisting the WORDs. Genesis 3:1-4,

    Woman's seed = Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23, Luke 1:26-37,

    Son of wickedness = 1Samuel 25:17, John 8, Luke 22:3, John 13:2,

    Matthew 4, Matthew 9:32-33, Matthew 23:25-39,

    Don't be in fear. 1John 4:18, Luke 12:5, Psalms 34:9, Exodus 20:20, James 4:7,

    The enmity Jesus faced: John 19:6,

    * Matthew 12,
  • Levi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    It's talking about the unpardonable sin, Luke 12:10 ,, after receiving the FULL knowledge of THE TRUTH, and when you know the false christ comes first,,, but, since many differ on this and that, and on what this sin is, I'll just say that this sin cannot happen until the great tribulation begins; when God's elect are delivered up unto the synagogue's of Satan and THEN willfully sin by refusing The Holy Spirit to speak through them. because THAt DAy draws near.

    In verse 27, the looking for, means the (expecting) of the Judgement and fiery indignation, about to devour the adversaries.

    Hope this helps!
  • Simon lamptey on Luke 12:24 - 2 years ago
    This chapter makes me aware that God have great care and attention for we humanbeings. Thank you Lord
  • Donna G.Warren on Luke 12:10 - 2 years ago
    Well as we all continue to read ,study, our Bibles,pray ,live our lives with our respective families or by ourselves, today I also include prayers for the British Royal family & the entire British Commonwealth due to the death of Queen Elizabeth II . she had quite a full life,navigated alot,had the longest reign.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Luke 12:48, it's about discipline,

    The people Jesus was speaking to, understood that for of discipline/punishment because it was very publicity done in their society, see Deuteronomy 25:1-3, 2Corinthians 11:23,24, Acts 16:23, Proverbs 19:29,

    Isaiah 53, Isaiah 53:5,

    Context Luke 12, it starts off Luke 12:1 "In the meantime._.._." therefore you have to go back a page or more to get fuller context. Luke 11, starts Luke 11:1 "And it came to pass._._" also a continuation but atleast you can see a good contextual beginning in Luke 11:1 they were asking Jesus to teach them to pray. Jesus started to teach them Luke 11:2-52, also bringing the Church Leadership into correction, while teaching all around, including those leaders. Luke 11:53-54, those leaders were waiting for a time to trip him up. Luke 12, begins as that moments continuation, so Jesus in the crowds chaos continued teaching Luke 12:1 "._._.. Beware ye of the ._._.hypocrisy ", (please read in context) Jesus then encourages us & all around Him, the Love GOD has for us & HIS promises of provision of all needs, even during wrongful persecution & death. Luke 12:3-40, with continued warning of hypocrisy, Luke 12:41-59, notice Luke 12:45, mistreatment of others, disregard of responsibility as Stewardship, leadership, ect.

    Looks like Jesus is talking about being responsible for those people & things put into the care, trust of HIS "servants" knowingly or unknowingly sinning against, if you're a leader, trusted with anyone & especially the Church.

    Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12,

    Hopefully these are helpful


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