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Dear Nana,

So sorry you are kept from your grandson. I will pray for you. He is blessed to have a Nana who wants to spend time with him.

Dear Lord Jesus, please restore this relationship between this grandma and her grandson's parents. We ask this in Jesus' name, Amen.

This was soothing. I was told I am not trusted with my grandson. I am hurt and my first instinct was to advocate for myself. I actually feel like withering away as I have tried numerous times to spend times with my grandson. It is Christmas- I had asked prior to could I have my grandson over to bake cookies and make reindeer food? He is soon four and I have had him over to spend time with him four times. Each year I buy the family zoo tickets. I actually was able to take my grandson once this past year.

This passage reminds me have good cheer, believe in The Lord because he knows my heart. With him all is possible.

Yes, brother S. Spencer, I too try to avoid referring to such matters as far as possible, especially on this type of Site. But, it does serve to show the fallibility of man, even the well-informed & skilled amongst the judiciary, who may view such cases in different ways, inconsistent to the Letter of the Law. And that behoves upon us all, whether falsely incarcerated on some matter of the law or for even being a follower of Christ, that we can fully entrust into the Lord's Hands the final outcome here on Earth & that righteous judgement will be meted out in Glory. Jesus declared this Truth in Luke 12:4,5.

God values human life more than animal life, but animals must be treated with mercy and respect.

Please read the following Bible verses:

Matthew 6:26

Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Luke 12:6

Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

Proverbs 12:10

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel."

So killing a pet is troublesome because it suggests that the animal has shown kindness to the owner.

To continue._..

Sorry I realize without follow-up, 1st response a little unclear & not finished. The "independant" 3rd party research done about Autism linked to vaccinations, found: the liquid metals within the vacs to inject, [liquid metals like mercury become fluid before 90 at 90 we can remove impurities/other ingredient out of the metal like in simple water bath] [the mercury would sink to the bottom & other ingredient would float] [that's why mercury & other metals have reproductive health warning, because of settling within lowest parts of human body, when abortion occurs, through skin etc.]

The increase of Autism, increased in States where Vaccination was 'requried' their scientific evidence found it effected "normal' children, beforehand then Autistic after vaccination because certain individuals were not able to absorb the metals.

Hopefully this is helpful.

I believe Romans 8:28, Luke 12:12,

I believe through the experiences I've been through, trained & learned it's for the good of THE BODY of CHRIST. Matthew 10:8,

Even with that said I am not an "Anti-vaxer" I believe we have the HOLY Spirit to guide us in all things. John 16:13, however we should all have the choice.

Just because something was helpful, beneficial in the past doesn't mean we should put faith or trust in it now or future. Psalms 118:8, PsalmS 40:40

The most recent vaccination actually has debate because of worse ingredients (graphite, which have high heat & electrical conductivity) & other very controversial 'evil' ingredients. Psalms 106:36-39

Proverbs 8:12

Dear Earl,

I didn't understand your response to the topic at hand. It seemed to avoid the main question about what we're saved from, but that's ok. I hope what I wrote was at least considered. I did see your repeating of your belief that the KJV is a 'Catholic' Bible and that's untrue. And your idea that hell doesn't actually mean hell, but something nicer like a cellar or grave isn't true either. The Bible is already translated accurately by a team of experts who spent years methodically and prayerfully doing it word for word. You're one person claiming the opposite with no evidence for it, so I don't find the attacks on God's word as credible. Not sure what your goals are in attacking God's word publicly on a Bible site, but nonetheless, I'm glad you're here.

You asked: "For what purpose did GOD SAVE YOU."

I don't agree with the terminology "saved" past tense, because we haven't been judged yet. The Bible mostly uses the terminology shall or will be saved. Future tense, not past tense, because we are still living and have freewill to follow Jesus or not follow Him. The choice is ours.

Paul in the Bible said to run the race to the end to receive the prize, not the race was already over. 1 Cor 9:24-27

So I don't believe I have been "saved" from anything yet, nor has anyone else on earth, because we haven't been judged as it says we will be in 2 Corinthians 5:10. It says we "all" must appear to be judged. All means all. I understand some think they can skip judgment based on good behavior, but that's not Biblical. All means everyone. Here's another: Romans 14:12 "Every one of us..." 1 Corinthians 4:5. "Every one" means everyone, including Christians and non-Christians. 1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

But by following Jesus, can we have assurance and confidence in salvation? Yes. Philippians 1:6

If we don't follow Jesus, can we have assurance and confidence in salvation? No. Luke 12:5. Hebrews 10:26

God bless...

Brother David:

Matthew 5:25 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body cast into GEHENNA (translated hell).

When Jesus was on earth Gehenna was the dump ground for Jerusalem where all the trash, garbage and bodies of dead criminals was dumped. It was on fire to DESTROY. Worms were there eating the dead flesh. As long as there was new fuel being dumped there, the worms never died nor was the fire ever quenched. It's a city park now, the is no longer worms or a fire.

Jesus was using Gehenna as an analogy, not something literal. If Jesus meant for you to take it literally, why aren't you missing eyes, hands and feet, that you have cut off and plucked out, to stay out of HELL.

Matthew 5:30

Matthew 10:28

Matthew 23:15

Matthew 23:33

Mark 9:43

Mark 9:45

Mark 9:47

Luke 12:5

Matthew 5:22

Matthew 18:9

James 3:6

All the verses have GEHENNA translated as HELL

Here are the scriptures in the Old testament that refer to Hinnom.

Nehemiah 11:30

Joshua 15:8

Joshua 18:16

2 Kings 23:10

2 Chronicles 28:3

2 Chronicles 33:6

Jeremiah 7:31

Jeremiah 7:32

Jeremiah 19:2

Jeremiah 19:6

Jeremiah 32:35

None of the scriptures have anything to do with the CHRISTIAN HELL.

I believe Judas will go to hell, because he betrayed Jesus to help murder him for profit. This is like blasphemy and turning his back on Jesus. Peter denied Jesus, which might also be a form of blasphemy, however, I believe Jesus forgave him through a special circumstance- asking if he loved Him three times.

People are deceived if they believe everyone goes to heaven regardless of how much sick and vile evil they commit against God, like Hitler mass murdering people. Jesus already said most people will go to hell. Just read the gospels and his many parables. They are all similar themes- warning after warning.

Jesus died for everyone, but forgiveness is contingent upon someone humbling themselves, repenting, confessing, believing, declaring Jesus is Lord and accepting the gift. Acts 2:38 - this requires an action. It doesn't say 'Do nothing and ye shall receive the gift' or 'Keep sinning as much as you want...' Here's another action requirement: repentance: Luke 5:32. Here's another confessing: 1 John 1:9.

Romans 10:9 - notice the "If..." People don't say "if" unless it's conditional. Salvation is conditional.

This says to believe: 1 John 5:13. It doesn't say 'not believing is totally fine.' Romans 12:2 - this says to be transformed and to not conform to the world. That's a big bummer for those hoping for a free get out of hell free card to enjoy a lifetime of sin and guilty pleasures. Look at this: John 8:11 and even this: James 2:26. Another: James 4:6. Reading the Bible for what it is paints a very different picture than the little summaries people like to spread around. People who ignore all the Bible's teachings and do whatever they want should be afraid for their soul: Luke 12:5. God bless.

Luke 12:2-9

Hopefully this answers & encourages

Hi Brother Rick,

I appreciate your response and sharing of scripture.

Regarding your judgement comment, I don't think anyone is saved from the final judgement, and it is not wise to be too confident. Me, I will continue to pray for wisdom - wisdom to FEAR GOD, the more fear the better!

Luke 12:5

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

We do well to remain humble, and keep with us a healthy dose of ongoing FEAR! The fear of God will keep us in subjection, and obedience to His Spirit.

God Bless

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I noticed some comments posted that sound like they are only a breath away from denying the Lord. God's Word and 2 Peter 2:1 is for them. Luke 12:5. 1 Timothy 6:12.

Some sound upset that God demands obedience, and some feel entitled to do what they want as if there's no ramifications. John 14:21, John 14:15, James 1:22, Proverbs 16:18.

Hi Earl,

It sounds like you're using a single speculative assumption to suggest that hell isn't real despite the multitude of Bible verses about it?

If you believe in Jesus, wouldn't His words carry more weight than a single speculative idea? Jesus talked about hell plenty, including in: Luke 12:5 - so do you not believe Jesus?

I'll address your comment in 2 parts:

1. You wrote: "If it's real and punishment for sin, why didn't he tell them of this place."

Maybe He did. How can you prove that He didn't? The Bible also never mentioned Adam & Eve going to the bathroom or bathing or using basic hygiene. Does that automatically mean they didn't? It also doesn't say they were "human beings" so does that mean they were lizard people or space robots? The Bible doesn't say its even a Bible, so does that automatically mean it's not one? When people use logic of what 'wasn't' said or a logic of omission, some tend to draw false assumptions and illogical inferences from that.

2. You wrote: "Why is it that HELL only shows up when the Hebrew scriptures are translated to other langues."

That's untrue. How did you come to believe that?

Jode & everyone I'm sorry to intrude in your discussion earlier, with world view & opinion hopefully it wasn't unwanted. To add to the Biblical discussion I pretty much agree with most answers given. I also do not believe it to be the 'Mark' however through wisdom of this time & everything we are witnessing & experiencing we are all much more wise to see how in the future 'the beast' may try to play out that 'Mark'.

Matthew 24:24, Matthew 24:1-51, Daniel 9:21-27

I also do not believe Matthew 24:15 has yet happened, but we're told to be watchful

Luke 12:1-59, Daniel 11:24-45, note Daniel 11:35, Daniel 12:1-13, Ezekiel 39:11-29,

* 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 the 'great falling away' hasn't happened yet either

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

(I love what Jesus says, it's so easy to understand) There is only one hope (Jesus) he said be ready.

Philippians 2:12 please notice the similarity in these verses in context Philippians 2:3-4, read Philippians 2:1-15,

Matthew 25:31-46

Proverbs 3:1-35

Isaiah 58:1-14

Jude 1:1-25

I have drawn comfort from these scriptures. Jude 1:24-25, 1 Jude 1:21,

Nahum 1:7 also in context is the bigger picture

Luke 12:32 Luke 12:1-59

1 Colossians 1:10-23

Philippians 1:6

I hope these scriptures give you a bigger picture that the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is showing us & are encouraging to you. Many more I wanted to share but deleted & held back to not overwhelm with too much reading all at once.

People's Bible Notes for Matthew 12:31-32

The blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven. Compare Mark 3:28, Luke 12:10. Much discussion has arisen concerning the nature of sin AGAINST the Holy Spirit, and nothing is plainer. Mark 3:30 explains it. IT IS YOU SAYING Christ's works are through demon power. These works were wrought by the power of the Holy Spirit. See Luke 12:10

Underline Isaiah 18:1 in your Bible

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

You need the spiritual covering of a Church. Don't feel like you have a bulls eye on your back. It is the Pastor/or Pastors wife, job to pray with you on issues like this.

Swearing, taking Gods name in vain (cussing) are not death sentences. Keep coming back here so we can be of help and fellowship. I love you in Jesus Name.

Here are some scriptures about your question, I hope you will read them to better understand.

Matthew 23:33

Luke 10:15

Luke 16:23

Psalms 86:13

Proverbs 7:27

Psalms 9:17

Psalm 16:10

Revelations 1:18

2 Peter 2:4

Matthew 16:28

Revelations 20:14

Luke 12:5

Psalms 139:8

Please note this is not a complete study, there are many more scriptures on this subject & while reading these, please read around the noted scriptures for best understanding.

Hopefully this is helpful for seeking truth.

Proverbs 27:17

Proverbs 27:6

Luke 12:51

Matthew 10:34

Matthew 10:38

Jesus said in John 14:15, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." So, if someone says anything that seems contrary to scripture I won't believe it, but believe God's Word. When I hear those saying things like obeying God is bad or following any law is bad, I think some nuances of the meaning are missed from Romans 6:15-18 which says not to yield to sin that you were servants to sin, but now are to be servants/slaves to righteousness. Being "free" from sin isn't a free pass to sin. John 8:11. I feel a moral duty to post scripture about this, because Christians hear this in church then go out and get drunk, do drugs, have sex outside of marriage, party, and enjoy following the world. They do that, because they are under the assumption that it's ok, because people (including pastors) keep telling them it's ok since they're "not under the law"- that they're free and can do whatever they want with no consequence. The problem is the Bible doesn't say that. Jesus says you should be concerned and fear the one who can send you to hell. According to Jesus, Christians and anyone else following the world of sin instead of Jesus should be afraid. Luke 12:5. Those who don't obey Jesus don't love Him. Those who don't love Him may not have to spend eternity with Him. God bless.

Do you think God is senile or remiss in How he chooses to deal with the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL?

So you need to explain why God seems not to move boldly and decisively? Woe. Is He to blame for turning his face away, as Jesus hung on the cross bleeding out for the sins of mankind.

We were just uncircumcised Gentile dogs, until we received His Salvation; prepared before the foundation of the earth. By His death, we're we grafted into his death and resurrection.

How do we smugly stand here and think ourselves better than the Jews? You skipped over the part where it says WE ARE ALL GRAFTED INTO ONE TREE even JESUS CHRIST.

Ephesians 4

3 Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of ALL who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

That's his plan. If we do not pray for the (known Will of God Almighty)pray for the peace of Jerusalem the scales will fall from eyes and earsthey will finally see their Messiah. I wanna see a real Jewish style hoedown in Heaven :D (Can you tell I'm Texan?) lol

All these things we write about our Jewish kin, will be reviewed at the Bema Seat. Faith in Gods Word helps us put off prejudice and put on Praise.

Everything I know comes from sitting in a closet with the Holy Spirit. I cannot convey with words how close we can get to Him. All he needs is one person to believe in his mission from Jesus. Jesus brought Him to us at no small sacrifice. He didn't baptise us and load us up with reference books. He gave us the Holy Spirit!!!

Luke 12:31-32

Did you notice that the Tree of Life was moved from Genesis to the Book of Revelation?

Hi Rick, if you haven't seen that then great- it's best to not be exposed to that if not on your guard with the armor on. Plenty of people here say we don't have to worry about avoiding sin or even trying. They say human effort of any kind is bad. This is a false teaching. It involves taking a verse and distorting it to mean the desired outcome, while ignoring a mountain of other verses which are commands to be obedient. Some also falsely assume that just because you do good that you're now trying to 'earn' salvation- nope- we're saved by grace. But Christians are called to follow Christ and be obedient and deny the sinful self. Following Christ is an action. It is a huge responsibility. Some assume they have zero responsibility and can do whatever they want.

I have attended plenty of churches that teach this- where one Sunday you get 'saved' then you're done and don't have to do anything anymore. Then you're told that if you try you're bad or legalistic. They would call Jesus legalistic though for John 14:15. We must beware of false teachings from satan. I know a Christian who will probably be committing fornication tonight and has for years. The pastor taught him he's saved and doesn't have anything to worry about. Is that true?

Then you read something like Romans 6:15-23 that says while we're free from slavery to sin, we're not totally free, but instead slaves (servants) to righteousness. And sinning is "no big deal." But it's very big deal to God. God hates it and sinning is like slapping Him in the face and spitting on Him. That is a very different message than some are Christians are saying. So, those who believe they don't have to try as a Christian probably has a false sense of security and need to heed Jesus's words: Luke 12:5. This warning from the Bible is spread here in love so that all will get right with the Lord and be saved. There's only one truth- and I'd rather lean towards following God than following man's ideas.

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

I'm not sure what you think the soul is; if it's not our body of dust, with life by the breath of God.

Leviticus 7:27 Whatsoever SOUL it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that SOUL shall be cut off from his people.

Luke 12:19 And I will say to my SOUL, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat drink, and be merry.

Job 16:4 I also could speak as you do, if your SOUL were in my SOUL'S stead, I could heap up words against you, and shake my head at you.

Leviticus 23:30 And whatsoever SOUL it be that doeth any work in that same day, that same SOUL will I destroy from among his people.

Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shall bestow that money for whatsoever thy SOUL lusted after, for oxen, or for sheep, of for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy SOUL desireth: and thou shall eat before the LORD thy God, and thou shall rejoice, thee and thine household.

With ALL due respect, We are talking about our souls spending an ETERNITY somewhere. I'm going to be serious. We as Christians are commissioned to spread the Gospel, the Good News, (or as Jesus put it in Matt. 28:19 commanded). I will be held accountable "to whom much is given, much is required...." ( Luke 12:48) I believe Jesus said it and I don't want to lead ANYONE astray. So I am going to find, study, search out, ask, PRAY, what the Bible says. Yeah, I'm serious. With much Love in Christ, God Bless. P.S. Matt. 28:19 says: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost;(all prepositional phrases describing the name), there was only one name that the Spirit begottened, there was only one name that hung on the cross, there was only one name that resurrected, there was only one name that was going to be used to send the Comforter to us ( John 15:26), there was only one name that lived, died, rose again, and is coming back for His bride (the church), and that name was, is, and will always be: Jesus Christ. God Bless.

If it's in red letters that means Jesus said it. Luke 12: 22, His Disciples.

Explain Luke 12:32 Who are the little flock, the disciples? Israel?

Amen Brother Jess.

I believe everything you just said.

I believe the level of fruitfulness behind the works of a believer is important. The purpose behind the action, Is it inward or an outward performance of self glory or righteousness. As the Lord said to the Pharisees.

" Matthew 23:26. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also."

As well as obedience to the will of God.

Luke 12:47-48. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

I believe a non believer will be judged by their deeds APART from the atonement of the provided sacrificial Lamb of God.

Possibly divided by what by what they heard or seen.

Luke 10:13-16. Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment, than for you.

And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

God bless.

God loves us so much that he died for me let me live for him

Heavenly father lord jesus I love you n I pray that you will reveal in your word to me what I should be doing to be pleasing to you lord n to my life here,thank you lord jesus for these scriptures even explained in great detail,thank you lord jesus,plz invade my family's life also n my friends before it's to late,thank you jesus for this help

The Holy Spirit is Your TEACHER

The desire for Jesus is in you already. The Bible is the Word of God. Like these following scriptures show us: with your own spoken words, ask the Holy Spirit to make His home within your heart, To be your Teacher. Thats his ministry to you. You will know He is teaching you. Open your mouth and speak: "Holy Spirit, come alongside and teach me what this passage means?"

Begin in the Gospels and stay in there until you know who Jesus is to you; what he likes; doesn't like; listen to his replies to people. How does he love?

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remem-brance, whatsoever I have said to you.

Luke 12:12

For the Holy Ghost shall TEACH you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

2 Timothy 2:24

And the servant of the Lord must NOT strive; but be GENTLE unto all men, APT TO TEACH, PATIENT,

1 Timothy 6:3-4

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

If we often reprove our own children; point out errors, short comings, lazy worthless etc. Their hearts will be hardened, and stolen by the Devil. Don't be that kind of teacher.

THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRT

Galatians 5: 22-23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

1 Corinthians 13: 12-13

What Kids Want: Transparency.

NOW we see through a glass, DARKLY, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I AM KNOWN. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is Love.

Mishael

First Peter 3:15; "be ready also to give an answer" = Here, the word "answer" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "apologia"; pronounced "apo-log-EE-ah"), and from which, derives the English noun "apology."

This term originates the Christian Theological field of "Apologetics" of which a person, described as an "apologetic", defends True, Biblical Christianity with truths and proofs, which usually involve definitive and convincing arguments used to refute contradictions against it.

Compare the word "answer" to its synonymous expression "earnestly contend for the Faith which was once delivered unto the saints" (Jude v.3).

When using the same definition above, the Greek root "apologia" also translates into either "answer" or "defense" in the following references:

Luke 12:11-12;

Luke 21:14-15;

Acts 22:1ff;

Acts 24:10ff;

Acts 25:8 & 16;

Acts 26:1-2ff;

Philippians 7 & 17;

Second Timothy 4:15-16.