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Please read these scriptures: John 7:1-53, Mark 2:1-28,

This discussion came up Holidays 2019, there was hatred towards not wearing masks in donut shop Southern California 80-90 degrees near beach. Teenager asked "wouldn't Jesus just be nice" then it hit me with fire inside my spirit. I replied "Jesus would be the first to bring alarm!" "If they were going to arrest people for getting too close, touching the sick, HE'd probably be first" I could envision HIM hugging & healing people & upsetting the "norm" as "enforcers" would say "HE isn't allowed to do that."

Luke 13:1-17, Luke 13:20-35, * Mark 3:1-6,9,10, *

Hypocrisy of crowds, sporting events, parades, but Jesus crowds? Mark 2:2, hypocrisy= John 19:31, Luke 4:14-44,

not wearing masks, HE'd probably be taking them off, elderly & children 1st. Would the creator of man, mankind, want them breathing carbondioxide, weaking their lungs, hiding HIS glory? 2 Corinthians, 1 John 1:1, seeking to save themselves? Luke 17:33, Matthew 16:35, Luke 8:35, John 12:25, Matthew 6:25

Luke 6:1-19,

John 9:1-7 can you imagine? criminal charges today?

+ HE actually gave commands to heal the sick, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Acts 4:28-30,

"The saddest thing about all the hate, meaness, is when this is over, people will remember how badly they were treated" "let's try to remember that & be kind"

Matthew 25:39

It's almost 2022. Those mandates have caused division, job loss, depression etc., yet what proof of any good?

To further answer your question: I have been in much prayer about it & I do not take lightly any scripture. I believe in USA we are a "Nation under GOD" being The People we are the ones with the Governing authority as per The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution & all States Constitutions. The people putting forth "Mandates" know they have not authority to call them "laws" they are therefore those that "resist the power & Ordinances of GOD" & the Higher power is GOD.

Hopefully these are helpful.

Amen Brother Rick. Thanks for the discussion and fellowship!

God bless!

Bro Dan Again no mind games like you were what scripture says. For me every day is sabbath i.e.

worshipping God. I never twisted anything the Apostle Paul was accused of the same thing.

Hi Rick,

Sorry if I misunderstood you. You stated in a previous post: "Jesus Christ put an end to the old law".

I agree with you that we do not have to follow the old ceremonial laws of the old testament. Many people today also try to include God's Ten Commandments in the old testament ceremonial laws - the ten commandments last until heaven and earth pass - this per Jesus! Hopefully we agree on this.

We are under grace, but that doesn't relieve us and Israel (we are all the Church now) from adhering to God's Ten commandments, and if we are walking in God's Holy Spirit we should be in conformance with all of God's laws. Yes, when I say commandments, it includes all ten commandments.

I agree, that if we follow these 2 commandments - Love God, and Love our neighbor - we should also be following the other commandments - by default! Since Jesus said that all of the commandments and God's laws hang on those two commandments. If we are coveting, committing, adultery, lying, stealing, or breaking any other commandments - then we are not following the 2 most important commandments - we are sinning!

We can play mind games, or we can adhere to the word of God.

Happy Sabbath Day!

Hi Grace,

The Holy Sabbath Day has always been observed from Friday night sunset - until Saturday night sunset.

Since the Sabbath encompasses almost the whole day of Saturday, it is referred to as being on Saturday. Saturday being the last day of the week, it is the day God rested from creation, and it is the day that God gave us to rest, pray, give thanks, fellowship, and to help others.

God created us and knows us better than anyone. Those that don't keep the Sabbath as instructed by God are missing all the benefits that a day of rest and prayer, and many other wonderful blessings to many to list. Jesus is correct, it really is a GIFT from God to mankind.

Today is the Sabbath, so wishing you well on this blessed day!

God Bless

Bro Dan I understand everything you commented on, that we the Church not Israel are not under the law

but under Grace. This is age of Grace the church I implore you to Read Romans -thessalonians addressed to

the Church of God in the Administration of Grace. I didn't write the Book. God Bless Never said what you shared

is all wrong.

Bro Dan Never said he did away with the ten commandments I said the there is one that covers all,

remember the sabbath was made for man not men for the sabbath . Not my words Jesus Christ also the

walk is supposed to be twenty four seven by the spirit where there is no law but the law of Love. Show

me the sabbath day before the ten commandments were given, the patriarchs were righteous in Gods

eyes before the written law. The Royal commandment is Love God with all your heart, soul ,mind, strength

ans love thy neighbor as thy self on these are all the law and prophets. I didn't write the book.

My comment should say without "holiness" no man shall see God.

When I use voice texting, even after proofreading, I still find errors after hitting send. Sorry.

I agree that the 10 Commandments have not been done away with because God said if you love me you'll keep my Commandments. And if we do away with the Sabbath day commandment, then why would the other nine matter? The Bible also says without holding a no man shall see God. As for me I am still trying to figure out when the Sabbath is. I think it might be Friday night into Saturday night but I'm not positive. But that is the day that I am choosing to keep. I am not a Seventh-day Adventist. I am a Bible believer.

Hi Brother Fred,

You are right, as Christ Followers, we are to keep God's Ten Commandments/Law per the bible scripture.

Those that truly love Jesus we will hear his voice:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

God Bless.

Brother Rick,

I say this with love, and also for others that are seeking the truth. Jesus absolutely did not do away with the 10 Commandments/Law, including the Holy Sabbath Day, Saturday.

Jesus states:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Jesus knows who loves him, because they will keep his commandments. Many people don't even try to keep God's commandments because it doesn't facilitate their worldly lifestyle. We have to ask ourselves this important question: Do we let our lifestyles guide us, or God's words?

Jesus said: Matthew 16:25

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." Do you believe this scripture?

Matthew 24:35

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

So are you saying that Jesus words in John 14:15, and Matthew 24:35,have passed away?

Hebrews 13:8

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

Are you saying that Jesus Christ changed? His words no longer matter?

Jesus death on the cross and the new covenant does not erase the Ten Commandments/Law. Please read what God tells us about the new covenant and the law:

Hebrews 8:10

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

God is telling us he will put his laws into our minds, and our hearts! Do you believe this? This scripture is very important: Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Do you believe this scripture?

The scripture is very clear, and easy to understand. We can't change the scripture, but many try to ignore or twist it into a puzzle that doesn't even make sense.

Read it and believe it!

God Bless

Sorry I didn't finish my thoughts completely on my posts: when trying to jump in & start observing the Sabbath I realized it wasn't just an easy decision. There is a bigger message. I quoted earlier many scriptures. It's very significant to GOD or it wouldn't be mentioned so much in Old & New Testament.

Is it pointing to CHRIST?

Hebrews 4:8-10, Is observing the Sabbath pointing to being ready for eternity? Hebrews 4:11,

Hebrews 4:12-16

I also noticed it says 'nor your laborers' one major thing I've observed which now saddens me is how often many will observe their own "Sabbath" either Saturday or Sunday or HOLYday/Holiday & flood into restaurants etc. overwhelmingly, then mistreat the "laborers" for example making them prepare meal while they "rested" or "worshipped", complaining about waitstaff not being attentive (while they have more people groups attending), or when 30 additional people arrive & certain favorite food isn't available. then they wonder why their "congregations" doesn't grow? If we could only get the bigger message! Jesus was directing us to LOVE, HE cares about the fatherless & widow. Example Mothers' Day: how often does the beloved Mothers get treated to meal or services 'out' being served by single 'Mothers of Fatherless children' whom GOD loves? James 1:27,

There is much to discuss & learn on this subject, I hope these were helpful to you.

Hi Fred Part of Jesus Christ ministry was to fulfill all the law and the prophets and part of that was

the judean law of the sabbath, remember something here, Jesus Christ ministry was originally to the lost

sheep of the House of Israel which was stated to the samaritan women before he healed her child. Also

many people that were healed he told them to go to the temple to give thanks to God according to the

law. The Jews rejected there Messiah, thanks to their unbelief he became every ones saviour that believes

in Him after the day of pentecost the age of grace started and once again man could walk and talk with God 24/7

the original intent Genesis. God Bless

They were all Jewish. But if you read along in the Gospels you'll see Jesus healed people and pulled donkeys out of the ditch on Sabbath on the way to church.

The Pharisees were so steeped in the law, that it was this that they used to accuse Jesus of blasphemy. That and saying he was the Son of God.

God said: when our work week startson the 7th day we rest; attend Church, enjoy family.

Our culture used to work Mon-Fri. Some work Mon-Sat. Nowadays, people's work weeks may be shifts that go from SUNDAY-FRIDAY.

Some people have to be on-call 7 days a week to earn a living; but they are Christians and love God with all their heart!

I think God would more disturbed by critical, condemning, Pharisee-Religious Spirit folks who browbeat the down-trodden with. Shame on them.

In my years of street ministry, I invited complete strangers to my Home__for spaghetti dinners and a brief Bible study and prayer for FAVOR WITH WORK/Employers.

Gods heart is Mercy.

Jesus saves those who choose to follow Him and sadly most will stubbornly not follow Him. Deniers of Jesus aren't following Him. People who love sin are not following Him. Do you disagree?

Sadly, we're not all equal in the end.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Those are Jesus's words. Do you believe Jesus or deny Jesus? Jesus gave warnings throughout his whole ministry. He died for everyone and everyone has an opportunity to follow Jesus, but most don't. False teachings spread here are reinforcing people to continue in sin rather than follow Jesus. It's really sickening to see. I feel very bad for the souls lost and for those deceived by the lies.

Why are so many people falsely claiming everyone is "saved" when Jesus clearly says that's NOT true? Where does such a belief even come from- a man- or God's Word.

Matthew 7:22 - this says many won't make it and they even consider themselves followers. Do you believe or deny Matthew 7:22?

Salvation is at stake and Jesus says you should fear the one who can send you to hell. If someone is following Jesus then you can have assurance of salvation, but if not, you can have assurance of hell. This seems to upset people here and its quite perplexing, because that literally is the gospel. The good news is that Jesus loves you enough to die from you and spare you from hell, but you must stop sinning and follow Him! The only explanation to why people just can't embrace what the Bible says is that this is a spiritual battle, people have hard hearts, and people's own pride has not fully let them accept what Jesus said in Luke 13:24.

My wish is for everyone to read the Bible carefully, especially the gospels and pray for wisdom and understanding. This will help clear out the noise and falsehoods people like to spread. God bless.

Then Why Did Jesus Keep It Or Even The Disciples

Isaiah 58

GOD hates hypocrisy & fake religious acts, Isaiah 58:2-3, Isaiah 58:4,

GOD loves people, has compassion for widows, orphans, fatherless children, poor, Isaiah 58:6-7,

GOD gives chances for repentance Isaiah 58:1, Isaiah 58:5

GOD ALMIGHTY wants to bless us. Isaiah 58:8

Additional scriptures: Matthew 25:31-46, Psalms 139, Luke 13:34,

Hopefully these are helpful.

Carmela Absolutely not I know many a christian who's Job including my daughters works on sunday

and if this is challenged look at Colossians 2:13-18 we are judged by the word and Jesus Christ put

an end to the old law, that meaning we worship God twenty four seven in our walk bu the spirit

and fellowship or get together with other believers when we can. The sabbath was made for man not

man for the sabbath, a man we all consider Kings of Kings said that.

I felt led to add. Years ago, I actually tried to observe the Sabbath as a Christian who never had beforehand. I learned much

1. to observe a Sabbath: you really have to plan

2 someone has to prepare beforehand

3. Shop for things beforehand

4. It opened my understanding of the scripture & GOD's compassion

Here are multiple scriptures on the Sabbath :

Genesis 2:2,3 (set Sabbath apart), Exodus 16:19-30 (significant differece on Sabbath) , * Exodus 23:11, Exodus 20:11 (blessed & set apart), * Exodus 23:12, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 34:21, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:29-34 (atonement), Leviticus 23:1-10, (seventh day & Passover), * Leviticus 23:21-22, Leviticus 23:27-29 (atonement), Leviticus 23:28-32, * Deuteronomy 5:14, 2 Chronicles 2:4 (forever to Israel), * Isaiah 1:11-18, * Isaiah 56:1-8, * Isaiah 58:6-14,

Jesus observed Matthew 12:8, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Mark 15:42, Luke 4:16,

Jesus set examples on Sabbath * Matthew 12, * Mark 2, * Mark 3, * Luke 6, & many more.

* please note the (*s) these were scriptures that showed compassion & the importance to GOD. (Opposite: Luke 11:42-46 hypocrisy)

By observing the Sabbath do we= Matthew 25:31-46,

Is it really sinful to work or do household chores on a Sunday?

Chris as I've been studying prophecy I've realized it was given in times when it was needed, either for correction or for hope, direction, protection. If things were obvious it wouldn't be needed. I am referring to all prophetic here. Matthew 2:12,13, Matthew 16:22-27, Luke 13:33,34, Luke 2:26, Daniel 10:1-3, 1 Samuel 3-1,9,10,11,12,13,14, it's also for revelation, exposure: when a person thinks they've hidden something from others or GOD= 1 Samuel 15:10-29, 2 Samuel 11 & 12, 2 Chronicles 20:20, There are many examples in scripture.

Those two examples you've given wouldn't seem to me prophetic but foresight if it didn't edify the Church, encouraged, give direction, revelation etc., In line with GOD & HIS Words we could reflect on. Ezekiel is an example of very strange exhibited behavior probably to get the attention of "a stubborn people" so even if someone seems weird that might not be a reason not to listen. So, in the examples you gave on the surface it seems irrelevant to us.

Let me give an example. Yesterday we were discussing Australia. Amanda Grace has given prophetic 'Words' regarding Australia saying things like "GOD hasn't forgotten you Australia" she said several things about leadership & GOD knowing the wrong that some leadership were doing. I think she said an earthquake would be a sign, there was a large earthquake very soon after then a few political things happened with people stepping down. Then just recently a Pro.Life Premier was elected. Looks to reflect in line with GOD's will. Her blog has her written prophectic Words Amanda Grace Ark of Grace.

Even with accurate 'Words' 1 Kings 13:11-34, Deuteronomy 13:1-5, serve GOD only. Hopefully this helps

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

(I love what Jesus says, it's so easy to understand) There is only one hope (Jesus) he said be ready.

Elaine,

The HOLY SPIRIT revealed to me, one day after sometime pondering, that it was: Jesus

That was the Kingdom representation on earth, that suffered violence

& the Violent took Him by force, was it also Prophetic to what was about to happen to Him? & other people that belong to the Kingdom of Heaven? Also the Prophets that suffered violence previously.

John 10:30 -31

Mark 1:4

Matthew 4:17

Luke 17:21

Luke 17:25

Mark 14:46

Mark 14:48 -49

John 18:19

Matthew 20:19

Luke 13:34

Revelation 6:9 -11

Lord I think you here our prayer an ansewer when we call on your name and heal our body thank you lord!

If some one continue committing adulatory sin until his last breath on earth, then it means he refused to be saved, thus God will respect his decision and will not include him in the list of those who admitted to be saved. Keep in mind confessing your faith in Jesus and his salvation just by your lips without proving so by your deeds and stick to to the teachings of Jesus will not save you. Jesus in Luke 13:5, says: " I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish ". And in Jacob 2:26, says: " For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead ". Saying by your lips that you believe in Jesus whilst living sinful life it is nonsenses.

I don't understand why Christians who want to be saved and benefit from the grace of salvation keep living sinful life. Why not to get married instead of committing adulatory?.

Dennis Perhaps this is what your looking for Mark 4:30-32, also Luke 13:18+19, as we believe and apply the word in our lives we become fruitful in all categories, look at 2 Peter 1:3-8 especially verse 8 for if these things be in you and abound they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our lord Jesus Christ. Prayerfully this helped if not ok. God Bless

DIANNE

It is also written,And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;and then shall the END come.Yes,he that shall endure unto the END,the same shall be saved.Mat.24:13-14

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh,shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8. In fact, the earth is infested of apostasy,and unbelieving,and the abominable,and murderers,and whoremongers,and sorcerers,and idolaters,and all liars,they shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.THE WORD IS GOD.

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but the WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM. John 3v.35-36-The Word is GOD.

Now, even now, in this moment, is fulfilling LITERALLY the Word of GOD: Luke 17:v.26-29:- 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise

also as it was in the days of Lot;they did eat, they drank,they bought,they sold,they planted,they builded;29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven,and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in this Day when the Son of man is revealed.

Luke 13:23-27

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many,I say unto you,will seek to enter in,and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up,and HAS SHUT TO THE DOOR,and ye begin to stand without,and to knock at the door, saying, Lord,Lord,open unto us;and he shall answer and say unto you,I know you not whence ye are:26...We have eaten and drunk in thy presence,and thou hast taught in our streets.27But he shall say,I tell you I know you not whence ye are;depart from me all ye workers of iniquity.

MISHAEL

We are in the seventh and last millednnium, or seventh and last Day, one Day with the LORD is as a thousand years, so there will be ONLY and ONLY SEVERE PUNISHMENTS day by day in this current time, and it until the END of the Devil's World. Luke 21:v.25-27 reveals: ALL THE NATIONS will have extreme or unbearable anguishes.

As is written, "upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;the sea(the peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves roaring;26 Men's hearts failing them for fear,and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth".

Severe plagues/severe punishments will be applied to DESTROY them which destroy the earth-Rev.11:18, but the KINGDOM of GOD will be established-verse 15.

The LORD is at door.

The worst will be this:The door of salvation is being and will be shut by complete,day by day,while the Devil's world is SEVERELY PUNISHED,and there will be a TRIBULATION as never was before,but never.It is the END of this GIGANTIC world of the Devil,built by him.

Yeah,the worst will be this:the door of salvation is already starting to close day by day,slowly. Luke 13:24-28:

25 When once the master of the house is risen up,and hath shut to the door,and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying,Lord,Lord,open unto us;and he shall answer and say unto you,I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say,We have eaten and drunk in thy presence,and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say,I tell you,I know you not whence ye are;depart from me,all ye workers of iniquity.

24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for MANY,I say unto you,WILL SEEK TO ENTER IN,and shall not be able.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Mt.25:5-6: 5-While the bridegroom tarried,they all slumbered and slept.6 And at midnight there was a cry made,Behold, the bridegroom cometh;go ye out to meet Him.

The door is shut, MANY will scream: Lord, Lord, open to us. LATER,very later.

Yes, I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. Scriptures interpret Scriptures.

1 John 5:v.9 and 7:

9 - If we receive the witness of men, the witness of GOD is greater:...

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father -GOD the Father-, the Word-the Word made flesh-JESUS-, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person-the Paraclete; the Comfort; John 16:v.7 to 15): and these three are One.

Many have heard to speak of GOD, but know not Him, neither know JESUS. JESUS left very clear, saying: Matt.11:v.27-No man KNOWETH the Son, but the Father; neither KNOWETH ANY MAN the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

1 Corinthians 2:v.11 - For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The door of salvation is already closing, day after day, slowly, and many will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Terrible. Terrible.

Brother D W L quoted Matt.3:v.10 around 12 or 13 hours ago, that says: "the axe is laid unto the root of the trees".

Luke 13:v.25-27

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are;

28 Then there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth...

The mysterious day 1,335- Daniel 12:v.12

Greetings in Christ JESUS

The day 1.335 is not so far, i.e.75 days after the end of the second half of the last week, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27- yeah, this day is not so far. It will be the beginning of the millennial Kingdom of GOD, according His Word. Actually, we are living in the last decade of the Devil's world-2020-2030, and the last week 70th is within this last decade.

THE LAST DECADE - COUNTDOWN

07-04-2021 is the HUNDREDTH EIGHTIETH FOURTH DAY of the LAST DECADE of the Devil's world.The LAST WEEK, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27,and week of establishment of Abomination of Desolation, it is within of this LAST and current DECADE.

Be careful and get ready

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and shut to the door... Luke 13:v.24-25

This event is invisible and happens automatically over the years of this last decade of the current world.

See, this current decade is the last decade of the current Devil's world with all its structures, be political, be religious, social, economic, military, technologic, and so on.

And the earth and also THE WORKS that are therein shall be DISSOLVED and burned up, in fulfillment the prophetic message of Peter, the Apostle, in his 2nd epistle 3:v.7-13, saying:

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

The door of salvation is already starting to close.

The current plague poured upon the planet as it is expressed in the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-it is already being executed according the wrath of GOD. GOD will destroy those which destroy the earth-Rev.11:v.18-Check it out.

The Word is GOD