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The Meaning of Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35, "Although many assume that those taken in Matt 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 are taken to be with Jesus and those left behind are left for judgment, this interpretation should be rejected." Throughout the context of these passages Jesus uses judgment language reminiscent of the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent exile of its inhabitants. Those who were taken away were the ones judged by God whereas those left behind were the remnant who received grace.
Question 2: Romans 1
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Also there is a scripture about men not dressing in women's clothing, and vice versa.
God is not in this lifestyle. You can pray for God to work within their wills to turn and walk away from it. Repent. Receive Jesus's salvation. John 3 be born again. Receive the indwelling HOLY SPIRIT. They'll have to lose their old friends. Follow Jesus. No backsliding ever.
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1. Luke 17:26-30 tells us in the last days before Jesus returns to Earth, things will go on as normal: just as they did in Lot's time. But all of a sudden God's Judgement will be poured out, as did happen to Sodom & Gomorrah, so the instruction to the Jews not to return back for their worldly goods (i.e. to preserve their lives).
2. There are many references to homosexuality in both the Old & New Testaments. Some of these are: Leviticus 20:13 (& see other verses in this chapter about the detestable acts that God abhors; also Lev chap 18); Romans 1:24-28; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:8-10.
In reference to wearing of make-up: even though passages such as 1 Timothy 2:9,10 & 1 Pet 3:3,4 speak about the wearing of respectable, godly apparel & not about putting on of make-up, there are references to it that associate it with harlotry when beauty had to be enhanced to allure the men: 2 Kings 9:30, Jeremiah 4:30. Leviticus 19:28 speaks about printing marks & cutting of flesh which what Israel must not do (as the heathen did).
1. What is the Book, Chapter and verse that states " They will be buying and selling" referring to the end times.
2. Where are the scriptures about perversion and homosexuality Lust. There is something in the Bible I have read that said something about make up or painting there faces as the heathen do. I can't remember the verbage exactly but it that is what it referred to.
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Ken Hatley
I guess I did misunderstand what you were getting at. Many believers use the word rapture. That does not offend me when someone uses the word rapture instead of "caught up." It's the same thing for me. I use the term myself. As far as sticking to just bible words, assuming we are all using an English translation, how do we know they are the right words being used without having an understanding of the original languages?
We know that the New Testament was written in Greek, but without knowing how to read Greek, do we just assume that everything in our English translation was translated with pure accuracy? If we really want to share just bible words, why don't we share where each word came from and what that word truly means according to the original text and language? Please don't get me wrong, I'm all for sharing bible words. But unlike Greek, English is a very general language and English words can have multiple meanings which change the whole context of a particular passage of scripture.
Although we disagree on the timing of the "meeting with the Lord," I agree that I don't want to be the one taken that is mentioned in Matthew Chapter 24, and Luke Chapter 17 because I know where the one who is taken goes. Some say it's taken into judgment. Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.
In Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. I see in Revelation that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells me that they are taken for judgment.
Anyways, I apologize for answering without fully understanding what you were trying to present.
I agree with you, the phrase from ( 2Thessalonians 4:17) "shall (will) be caught up" is a translation of the Greek word "harpazo" (#726). The word "harpazo" is a derivative of the Greek word "haireomai" (#138) which is defined as to take for oneself, or to prefer; i.e., to choose.
You may have misunderstood what I said. As far as the KJV goes, the word "rapture" is not found. In fact, I am not aware of a Bible that does use the word. For the sake of all levels of Bible students, we should try to use Bible words whenever possible: Words that can be looked up in Bible Dictionaries.
Sadly, the word "rapture" is more than just semantics. It has become known as the "rapture doctrine."
We don't fly into the air in these flesh bodies to meet the Lord and Savior; we will spiritually all be changed BEFORE this particular meeting will take place ( 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
The point of the initial statement was that this meeting between the Lord and His "chosen" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13) will happen at the 7th Seal, and the 7th Trumpet, and the 7th Vial; and not any time before.
You don't want to be the first one taken! ( Matthew 24:40-41, Luke 17:34-36)
Mat 24:38 - For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 - And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40 - Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 - Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.
Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
Luke 17:27 - They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28 - Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Lot was left behind - the wicked were taken
Luke 17:29 - But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 - Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Peter 2:12 - But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
So do pre trib preachers lie and make the Bible say the opposite of the Bible teaches?
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These are some very important subjects that you seem to be a bit unsure of. As I am sure you already are, we have to dig a little bit under the surface; that is where the hidden treasure is. If we do not understand what happened in the beginning, how will we understand what will happen in the end?
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" ( Luke 17:26), also look at Isaiah 46:10, Amos 8:11, Matthew 24:37, 2 Timothy 2:15.
Since we have been discussing the first chapters of Genesis, I will leave you with this.
The sons of God are Angels, look at Job 1:6, 7. The fallen angels came down from heaven and mated SPECIFICALLY with the daughters of Adam, producing giants. The flood came not only to rid the earth of evil men, but to preserve the lineage from which Christ would come (due to the success of the fallen angels).
Satan was an angel. Eve was beguiled by Satan. The word "beguiled" means to be seduced (Strong's). What happened in the garden to Eve (and Adam) was the first attempt to blot out the seed line from which the Messiah would come, and was the same thing the fallen angels were guilty of during their second attempt. The punishment Eve (and the rest of womankind) would from that point forward endure had to do with BIRTH, look at Genesis 3:16; and the punishment Satan faced included a separation of his PROGENY from that of the woman ( Genesis 3:15).
Repentance is turning from something; so then a repeated sin, said to be repented from, is then become willful sin. And what, then, is the victim to do? Do we continue to allow these kinds of people to abuse us? Or do we remove ourselves from their paths?
Col1:13 says
The Father "who hath delivered us from the power of darkness , and hath translated ( us )into the kingdom of his dear Son"
Note the past tense in " hath "
This says to me that all believers are NOW in Jesus' kingdom
Jesus says elsewhere
" The kingdom of heaven is at hand"
The kingdom is within you Luke 17:21
So yes the kingdom is at hand within you, the kingdom of light that the evil ones hate, and will avoid, because light drives out darkness
So we need to proclaim it, so they can hear it
AND FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD
proclamation allows our ears to hear God's Word, thus increasing our faith?
We need to hear it as well!
Mat 24:38 - For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 - And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of
man be.
Mat 24:40 - Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 - Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.
Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
Luk 17:27 - They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28 - Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Lot was left behind - the wicked were taken
Luke 17:29 - But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 - Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
So do we want to be taken or left behind?
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 24:41 - Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
do you know the WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.
Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
Paul in 1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. Jesus said we had to endure to the end.
Hope that answers your question, I pray that you are truly born again!