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My Civil Leaders here in the USA offended me as a minor in the 70s and my Civil Leaders are offending me today...

Jesus says this about them:

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Luke 17:2 KJV

Jesus said this to his Father:

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17:9 KJV

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It appears to me the lack of concern for the times that they were living in. Getting married is a hope of a future together, giving in marriage is family, usually the Parents with hope of future that marriage brings, many times provision for the younger generation, that they would help each other & grandchildren etc. I believe the point is to magnify the people in the world; will & have ignored the WORDS of GOD, the times appointed, times at hand, "business as usual" Matthew 24,

* Luke 17:22-30,

Hopefully this is helpful

Stuck in the middle or standing out from the crowd (further insights)

Master. I have stated before and it doesn't hurt to repeat it that Christ is our MASTER as well as being Lord and Savior. Of course this isn't a "politically correct" concept which would be one benefit those living in a society seeing servitude (indentured servants at least) would have in comprehending that concept as a proper "lifestyle choice" for those who would proclaim Christ (although it is more of a command). The most direct reference Christ makes to us in this status is when he talks about the "unworthy servant" ( Luke 17:7-10). This gives as a good outline of how; for instance we should always prioritize our time for worship; prayer and studying the Word. There is only one who we are accountable to as individuals when this life is done. All good gifts are given from above; and hence are to be used for service in the Kingdom and edification of the brethren.

Fellowship of the saints. The command (not request) to love one another is emphasized in John 13:34-35 as well as 1 John. Surely the disciple that Christ "loved" ( John 21:7) was used to deliver this message and surely he understood that concept.

Sadly; this concept of adoption into the family of God ( Romans 8:14-19 but by no means limited to that verse) is more of an abstract idea today in most churches. Something as practical as inviting a single person to a holiday meal (such as was done for me a few years back) can really make a difference. We are instructed to rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn ( Romans 12:15). The opposite of this is either indifference; or worse gossip which basically is mocking a person's situation or at best having some morbid curiosity. Just to break out and instigate a conversation may take some effort when others on a Sunday morning are more interested id discussing sports; entertainment or personal matters to those in their social circles.

" Sinners certainly can't do anything to gain a reward from God, for "all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."

Thanks and Amen Brother Chris!

It's like a household chore ( being forced.)

Sinners can't do anything to gain a reward when doing something they should be doing anyway.

Luke 17:9-10. Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Doing these chores/commandments ( to receive something )

nullifies the gift.

God bless.

Luke 17:12-19

Giannis....Remember Jesus said 2 men will be in 1 bed 1 will be taken and 1 will be left....And 2 women will be grinding at the mill 1 will be taken and 1 will be left.... Luke 17:34-36...Salvation can only come by that good seed the words of God...Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of GOD....But Jesus says after the good seed, the Wheat was sown here comes satan and sows a tare in with the wheat while men slept...Then you have 2 ppl...The Wheat and the Tares make us 2 ppl spritually speaking....The Tares make us sin @ Times....As Paul said when i wd do good evil is present with me...Paul had a thorn in the Flesh which was the Tare...Making him 2 ppl...Paul was saying if i do something i donot CONSENT unto, its not I that does it but sin that dwells in my members...With my my mind i serve the law of God but with my Flesh the Tare the law of SIN....O Wretched man that i am.

......So ya see Giannis we are 2 ppl...And we are involved in a war in heaven with satan and his tares...So sometimes we sin but there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the SPIRIT...The Wheat and the Tares war ever day thats y Jesus said there is gonna be Kingdom against Kingdom...Thats y Paul said he had a thorn.( a tare ) in the FLESH.

.....But Jesus said AT THE HARVEST i will say to the reapers gather up the Tares and burn them....But gather the Wheat to my barn his Kingdom....But the 2 men in 1 bed is just 1 man that has been at war with the Tares that were within him.

.....Same thing with the 2 women grinding at the mill...The Tare are gonna be taken and burnt...The Wheat to the Kingdom

....So ya see Giannis we are in a war with satan and his Tares....Making us 2 ppl...But he that endures to the end will be saved....The End is the HARVEST...Paul wanted to obey but b/c of the Tares/thorn he cd not obey always thats y he said if i do something i do not CONSENT UNTO its not i that does it but sin that dwells in me..ok Gbu

Charlene,

I don't know of any place in the bible that says that. There are several places however that tell us that we are to forgive our enemies. Also, forgiveness does go both ways. Here are a few verses that might help you out:

Luke 17:3-4

Matthew 18:21-22

Matthew 18:15

Matthew 6:14-15

Ephesians 4:32

Hello Michael K N,

Isaiah 40:1, 2Corinthians 1:3-22, 1Thessalonians 5:15-21,

Romans 15, 2Timothy 2:3,

Philippians 4:8,

I thank you for sharing your hardship & trusting us here with it.

I myself have suffered much as many of us have. I share scriptures in hopes to give you strength, help in endurance, encouragement.

Paul while suffering from being beaten, Colossians 2:11, Acts 22:25, stoned, 2Corinthians 11:25-27, in prisoned, 2Timothy 2:9-15, accused of sedition Acts 24:2,5,27, in context Acts 24, is this Paul who said I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me._. Philippians 4:12,13

Hebrews 13:3, Luke 17:25, 1Peter 4:12-19,

Dave,

I'm not sure if your question was about GOD or man. I will try my best to answer it. Ironically " ambiguous " meaning double meaning._._

I think that GOD's WORD the Bible is clear, when we study, & pray for wisdom. James 1:5,

1st GOD gave people dominion: Genesis 1:26,27,28, = power, dominion ect. Within 2nd Generation & continued; 1st crime: Genesis 4:6-9, & Genesis 4:23, dominion with disregard for others, even anothers very life. Genesis 6:5, Exodus 1:8,13,16,22, even disregard for life of children

Even then though GOD doesn't disregard HE repayed. Exodus 12:29, Exodus 13:15, notice the whole chapter of Exodus 12, points to John 3:15,16,17, Again people with dominion & power disregarding life of innocent: Luke 22:1,2,7,20,54,63,64, continued; Luke 23:1,2,15,21,33,34,

Also: they killed their own children, Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:1-8, that GOD had destroyed nations for that sin! 1Kings 11:7, 2Kings 23:10,

Jeremiah 32:35, ( how? ) it's unimaginable even to GOD ALMIGHTY ! Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, 2Chronicles 33:9, 1Kings 11:1-12, Deuteronomy 6:14, Deuteronomy 7:1-8, why? Was it because they destroyed the children, had disregard for innocent lives of their own offspring? Images of GOD

Psalms 82:6, in context Psalms 82,

GOD will Judge: Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 18:5,6,10,14, Matthew 19:14, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2, 2Peter 2:7-9, Psalms 9:7,

If your question is regarding "us" "believers" Luke 12:32, Revelation 21,

There will be suffering here on Earth but promises to those who endure, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 10, 2Timothy 2:3, Revelation 6:9-11,

Hopefully these are helpful

Just to add to Delilah's good answer about Lot's wife being inquisitive, Albert. I sense that her heart was still there in Sodom; her home, friends, delights, etc. can make her hesitant to leave it all behind. Though she may have believed the angel's warning to not look back, maybe a thought of 'that one last look at what was my life's joys be forever gone', could have been on her heart.

And we remember Jesus' Own Words in Luke 17:31,32, "In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife", when Jesus spoke of His second Coming. We can appreciate His warning about attending to the coming of the Lord & one's own readiness, and not engaging in thoughts about preserving earthly possessions for the future.

When our eyes are fully on Jesus with our longing to be with Him, nothing of this world should distract us & captivate our hearts away from Him. The question that is often on my heart is, 'am I willing to leave everything I have, or accomplished, or planning for, just to be with the One Who loves me & gave His all for me?' And that is one way I try to measure my life's real worth. Maybe, Lot's wife couldn't get to that point of obedience to God's Word & her love was both misdirected & diluted.

Rose let me give ya my thoughts on Luke 17 :34 & 36...Peter tells us we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God...And that y Jesus wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that it might initiate a heavenly Birth of Christ in us....But Satan wants to sow a tare in our hearts....MAKING US 2 PPL, Then we are involved in a warfare..Kingdom against Kingdom...Then there is war in heaven..With in us..In our hearts and minds...Thats where the good seed is sown....But they asked Jesus master did you not sow good seed in your field....Jesus said an enemy has done this...Thats y Paul was saying with my mind (the wheat ) i serve the law of God but with my flesh ( the tare ) the law of sin....When i wd do good good evil is present with me...O wretched man that i am....Paul had become 2 persons b/c of the tare.

Thats y Jesus said the kingdom of heaven suffers violence....but the violent take it by force....The Wheat is gona take it by force...This kingdom against Kingdom war is gona be won by the wheat which is the H.G...The manchild that is gona rule all nations.

.....Thus the 2 men in 1 bed is just 1 man that has been bornagain by the good seed but within his heart there is another man the TARE Satan .....one is gonna be taken and one is gonna be burnt to ashes.....Jesus said i will say to the reapers gather up the tares in bundles and BURN THEM....But the wheat to my barn the kingdom....Remember Paul said i see another law in my members waring against my mind etc..which was the tare...Paul had become 2 ppl spiritually speaking.

.....Same thing with the 2 woman grinding at the mill is just 1 woman that has been bornagain....But satan has sown a tare in her heart making her 2 woman...But 1 is gona be taken and 1 is gona beleft....Jesus said that the tares are gona be gathered in bundles and burnt.

......Same thing with the 2 men in the field is just 1 man that is involved in a war with satan and his tares...Remember John saw War in heaven.

I do not believe in a pre-trib. rapture. The following verse would suggest that believers will see the anti-christ which takes us through chapter 14 of Revelation. 2 Thessalonians 2 1-3,Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; It appears the saints are still on earth in Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Maybe the reason the church isn't mentioned in Revelation is she has defiled herself with the whore of Revelation 17 & 18. Maybe just isolated pockets of believers at that time within the so called church. Remember in the first part of Revelation Jesus said he would remove their candlestick if they didn't repent. Just some thoughts.

Okay,,,

In the end times during the great tribulation (Many) will bow to the anti-christ (Baal being a type of)pretending to be the true Christ, except for God's Very Election/The 7000 who will stand against the anti-christ,,, those who God have reserved for this very day,,, 7000 is a figure of speech, it's symbolic of the biblical number 7 which means perfection (multiplied)

Romans told you God had reserved these Election.

And in Acts 2 tells us what these Election who are alive and remain do in the end times.

since These Elect will not bow to the false messiah,,, they get delivered up unto.

These Elect in that day will be of One mind together speaking the words of the Holy Spirit, a tongue like a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

Luke, I read the context before and after Romans 11:4. Romans is written by Paul, but he is referencing God. The 7000 is referring to Jews. To this day, how many Jews accepted Yeshua as their Messiah? I seen a video by a Gentile street preacher, who made the mistake of preaching Jesus the Christ in Jerusalem. Immediately, there was a violent reaction by a Jew. He kept spitting and yelling at the street preacher.

I agree with U Rose , In verse 31 and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back (to the things behind).

32 Remember Lot's wife, she looked back.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose it shall preserve it alive. ( this is when God's elect makes a stand against the anti-christ)

34 I tell you, in that (night) there shall be two persons upon one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. ( The one doing the taking "at night" is the anti-christ) key word is "night" what comes before day? the night, one shall be taken by the anti-christ, the other shall remain,,, left behind is false teaching by many,,,, be the one left behind.

35 Two women shall be grinding to the same end; the one shall be taken, and the other left." ( One will be taken in the deception by the anti-christ, the other left behind)

36 Two men shall be in the field; (field being The World) the one shall be taken, and the other left. (Harkening diligently unto the voice of our Lord God) The Rapture is a Soul Hunt!

Luke,

Are you saying of all the generations of all the people since Biblical time, only 7000 are saved? Nothing in Acts 2 says anything about 7000. I'm thinking this number refers to the Jews.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Once the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of God, the 5th trump sounds, Satan's fallen angels are here.

God's very elect are the 7,000 from all races, Acts 2

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

What did God tell Satan & his angels, Touch not My Elect, that have the seal of God in their forehead

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them (Satan & his angels) that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those who have the seal of God(Sealed)during the Hour of Temptation will not be touched by this wrath, which IS the wrath of God.

All who are alive and remain go through the tribulation, question is DO YOU HAVE THE SEAL???

Rose,

Are you asking for help with Luke 17:34-36?

Rose,

You're not alone in thinking you will go through this time of God's wrath. I personally believe in Pre-Trib because 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says, "For God has not appointed us to wrath, (that is judgment), but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Paul is saying, "Don't let people come in there and tell you that you're in the tribulation period and you're going to have to go through this terrible time. God hasn't appointed us for that. He's appointed us for salvation. When I read the chapters in Revelation that talk about the tribulation, there's no mention of the church. Where's the church? If the church is here during this time, why is the church not mentioned?

If I may ask, if this happens during our lifetime (Even so, come Lord Jesus), and you believe you will be here, according to the Bible, what would God have you doing during this time?

Did you know that there will be two future resurrections? One will be when Christ comes for His church (Rapture), where all believers who have died will be resurrected to meet the Lord in the air. (1 Thessalonians Chapter 4). Non-believers are not taken at the rapture. They do not belong to Christ.

Please know that the rapture is not the second coming of Christ. At the rapture, Christ does not come all the way to the earth. We (Believers) meet Him in the air. There will be a second resurrection after the 1,000-year reign of Christ. That will be for all the wicked dead who rejected Jesus Christ.

My understanding is that at the rapture, the dead in Christ rise first, and then we (believers) who are alive on the earth when Christ comes for His bride (The church), we will be caught up also to meet the Lord in the air. Again, this is not His second coming. During the time of tribulation (God's wrath being poured out), we, as His bride, will be participating at the marriage feast in heaven. And then Christ comes back to the earth (His second coming) and we come back with Him. That's found in Rev. Chapter 19.

I don't believe in the pre-trib "rapture". I believe the believers are going to be here during the 7 years of tribulation. At the time of Christ's second coming, is when the dead and the living believers will be taken up in the clouds.

However, I don't understand verses 34-36.

Hi Carl. There was a leper in Syria, a captain of the King's army, who was healed of his leprosy by God through the prophet Elisha. You can read about it in 2 Kings chapter 5. Don't know if this story comes close to what you're looking for.

Matthew Henry's Commentary on the one leper who came back to give thanks and praise:

11-19 A sense of our spiritual leprosy should make us very humble whenever we draw near to Christ. It is enough to refer ourselves to the compassions of Christ, for they fail not. We may look for God to meet us with mercy, when we are found in the way of obedience. Only one of those who were healed returned to give thanks. It becomes us, like him, to be very humble in thanksgivings, as well as in prayers. Christ noticed the one who thus distinguished himself, he was a Samaritan. The others only got the outward cure, he alone got the spiritual blessing.

[mishael]. I didn't see a Kings house in this passage, in Luke.

Who was the leper who ended up in the King's Court

Brother S Spencer:

What does the overcomer, overcome:

Is it not unbelief, fearfulness, lying, hating his brothers, etc.

The same fire and brimstone that is the second death (after the second resurrection) is also the first death (after the first resurrection); that the overcomer goes through.

Revelation 9:18 By these three were the "THIRD PART" (the overcomers) of man killed (first death), by the fire, by the smoke, and by brimstone, which issued of of their mouth.

Issued out of THEIR MOUTH ....the WORD OF GOD .....the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.

The THIRD PART:

Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD PART .....

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shalt also take thereof A FEW in number ....

Ezekiel 5:4 And take of THEM (the FEW) again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall A FIRE come forth unto the house of Israel.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, TWO THIRDS shall be cut off and DIE, but the THIRD PART shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the fire.

Obadiah 1:18 ...and the house of Jacob SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph A FLAME, and the house of Esau stubble, and THEY shall kindle IN THEM, and DEVOUR THEM ......

IN THEM: You don't go to heaven.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (those who are the image of Christ) shall come upon mount Zion TO JUDGE the mount of ESAU; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

God Bless YOU.

Hello Jesse.

You can look that word up on the internet, you will find out that AETOS means eagle in grek, this is without any objection. But there may be a case...

The greek for vulture is GYPAS. I found out that there is a kind of vulture that is called in greek GYPAETOS (GYPAS+AETOS). That kind of vulture looks very similar to eagles but it it actually a vulture. It is a common bird in Greece, but I don't know how common it is in Israel. Maybe Luke meant that bird? But again Luke was greek and he should have known that those birds are of a different kind.

Also, there is a different interpretation of Luke 17:37. "where the body is (Chist), the eagles (saints) will gather together. Since that scripture talks about the rapture. it makes sence as the saints will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

So the conclusion is yours...

GBU

Glenda,

Jesus says in Luke 17:37, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Free has given you the correct answer. It should say vultures, not eagles. The word used in the original text is AETOI, which translates to vultures.

This is one of several places in our bibles (KJV included) where the translators for some reason translated a Greek word into English, but the word does not properly represent the word used in the Greek. You pose a great question. Should it say eagles or vultures? And if the original text (Greek) says vultures, why did the translators say eagles? We know that an eagle and a vulture are two different birds.

My guess, and this is not biblical, but my guess as to why the translators may have put eagles in there is that at the time of the translation, there were no vultures in that area, so the Greek word AETOI (Vultures) may not have made sense to them, and so they put the word eagles in there. Again, this is just a guess on my part.

But in Luke 17:37, Jesus is talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. Remember the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses. Eagles do not feed on dead carcasses, vultures do.

And it wasn't until the mid-1990's that there were carnivorous birds (Vultures) in the area of Israel. There were none whatsoever before then. And the birds (Vultures) are going to come and eat the flesh of those who die in the battle of Armageddon. And that couldn't have happened before then.

Giannis:

It takes all the books of the PROPHETS to understand the PARABLE ( Matthew 13:34) of the rich man and Lazarus.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH his secret unto his servants the PROPHETS.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, if they HEAR NOT Mosses and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

No where in Moses and the prophets does it prophesy that anyone goes to heaven or hell. It prophesies that there will be a Kingdom of God.

The books of the prophets, prophesies, that the elect will BE BROUGHT through the fire; not avoid it.

It prophesies that only a third will be brought through the fire in this age; the others will go to the grave and wait for the resurrection to the next age.

Revelation is a second witness to the prophecies.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and die, and a THIRD shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ..

Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD part ..

Ezekiel 5:3 ..take THEREOF a few in number ..

Ezekiel 5:4 ...take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall a fire COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a FLAME ....

Luke 16:24 ....for I am tormented in this FLAME.

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his Saints.

Obadiah 1:21 And Saviours (those that have obtained the next age, the IMAGE OF CHRIST) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Zechariah 12:8 And in that day ( Revelation 20:9) shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David, and the house of David shall be as (the image of) GOD, and the angel of the LORD before them.

Glenda,

People have wondered about this, and there are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken? Some say it's taken into judgment. Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.

But in Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. As you go through Revelation, you will see that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells us that they are taken for judgment.

I'd like to share 2 thoughts on predestination:

1. Regarding John 10:36 "neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" if you look at the context Jesus is talking only about his sheep. The sheep are His followers, or, Christians. Not everyone is a sheep. They are choosing to follow Jesus and choosing to believe and choosing be sheep by their own freewill and decisions. We know this because of what it says just prior to that. John 10:25-27. In v26 he says they are NOT His sheep because they don't believe. So, if we combine this verse with Matthew 7:13-14 one can presume that most are NOT sheep. Many most are wolves and some are wolves in sheep's clothing. Matthew 7:15.

2. Jeremiah 29:11 "I know the thoughts" or "plans" and hope for a "future" some translations say. Just because an all-knowing God can know this doesn't automatically mean its robbing you of freewill. You are not an automatic robot following a specific script. God is big and powerful enough to know everything and also let us have freewill at the same time, even if little human brains have a hard time comprehending it. God is much bigger than our assumed limitations. God is also big enough to change His mind, as happened relating to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Maybe God's plan is just a broad overview of what would be best for you, maybe like a map, but its up to you whether you follow it or not. Maybe you take a few detours along the way, maybe you get confused and even go the wrong way at times. This doesn't automatically mean you are following God's plan. Maybe you're not following Him at all. I think if you ask most people who believe in predestination, they generally admit that when they ordered a chicken sandwich for lunch and held the pickles that it was mostly their choice and not necessarily God's plan. Or when a Christian sins 1 John 1:8, I don't think most people actually believe that God causes people to sin. God forbids us to tempt or lead others to stumble in sin: Luke 17:1-4.

God bless.

but go, show yourself to the Priest. Luke 5:14, Luke 17:14, Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19