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Richard,

The end-times are strictly 5-6-7 seals and trumpets that unfold within a generation. We're staring down the sixth seal/sixth trumpet, our demise, not past seals that don't apply. The context is off.

There are resurrections, but no man made "rapture", Ezekiel 21:1-4 "both the righteous and the wicked die". Luke 17:34-37 "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together"; they are dead.

Revelation 6:9-11 The fifth seal saints were told when their brethren, the 144,000 Revelation 11:7 who died like they did; that judgment of those on the earth will be done at the seventh trumpet when time is up. They OT saints were told to rest "a little season", which lasts from the fifth seal through the seventh trumpet. At the end of the thousand years, the devil is loosed "a little season" as well, Revelation 20:3 God and satan have balance because the devil is a counterfeiter.

Daniel 9:27 is about the last week of the 70 week prophesy.

Jesus received 3.5 years of power the first half of the week and was cut off in the MIDST of the week. Then, at the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord, comes a beast surprise attack on Israel (both houses), at which time anti-christ places the abomination that makes desolate (nuclear for one, invasion for the other), beginning his 3.5 year reign of terror. At the seventh trumpet, Jesus Messiah is standing on Mount Zion with His army of resurrected saints.

Turkey, by description, is one of 3 nations in the beasts confederacy that gets plucked up by anti-christ. He takes the nations surrounding Israel, and ironically, mirroring the 'greater Israel project'.

The fifth trumpet started tribulation

The sixth trumpet starts the great tribulation.

The seventh trumpet Jesus, returns to destroy the sixth trumpet army.

(Originally posted under wrong verse, should be Hebrews 11:5-7)

Enoch

Genesis 5:21-22

Hebrews 11:5-6

Jude 1:14-15

Noah

Genesis 6:1 through Genesis 9:29

Matthew 24:37-39

Luke 17:26-30

Hebrews 11:7

1 Peter 3:19-20

2 Peter 2:5

2 Peter 3:3-7

Whether or not a person acknowledges it, Enoch and Noah are fathers to every man, woman and child living today. However, without saving faith they will only be fathers according to the flesh to our generation. That genetic relationship will be undeniably proven before God, but it will not only profit us nothing, it will actually make anyone in our generation more guilty than the people in theirs if they mock or ignore the testimony concerning them in these last days without repenting and believing in Jesus Christ as they did. We need to carefully consider and draw both encouragement and warning from their examples of faith if we want to share any of the benefits of the heritage they have left us.

Jesus Christ is the one who will catch us up to be with Him, like He did Enoch, if we are confirmed by the Holy Spirit to be those who please Him and His Father. He is also the unexpected Bridegroom who will close the wedding feast door that lets in the prepared wise virgins but shuts out the unprepared foolish virgins where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, like He closed the door of the Ark that Noah prepared behind him and his household, shutting out those who were unprepared outside.

Although no one should count on it, if in His grace the Father continues to patiently wait beyond our short lives to send Christ with His holy angels for the final harvest, we still must hold to the fear of the LORD we see in these two ancestors of ours and uphold their testimony so that we may be partakers with them in the pleasure the Father has in their faith and the faith of all those mentioned in this chapter of Hebrews. That is one of the ways we will be able to add our own testimony of faith to theirs.

Roman,

"... as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They...(ate, drank and married)... until THE DAY that Noah entered the Ark, and the flood came, and destroyed THEM ALL. (The sinners are not destroyed 1,000 years later)

Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; ... THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL.

Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed."

Luke 17:26-30

And when is He revealed?

AFTER the Great Tribulation, on the LAST DAY of this world, NOT 1,000 years later.

Mt. 24:29-31

John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

"... the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, ...cast into the sea, ...When it was full, they ... gathered the good into vessels, but CAST THE BAD AWAY. (They didn't SAVE the bad for 1,000 years.)

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just, and shall CAST THEM INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE: ..."

Mat. 13:47-50

The wicked will be SEVERED from the just on THE DAY that Jesus returns, and they will be destroyed along with the rest of the earth.

Isaiah 13:9-11

You mentioned something about this next passage, the order of the firstfruits?:

"...they that are Christ's at His coming. (shall be made alive) Then COMETH THE END, when He shall have DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even the Father; WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE and all authority and power."

1 Cor. 15:22-24

And why does Jesus hand over HIS kingdom to the Father on the SAME DAY that He returns? BECAUSE IT WAS HIS KINGDOM from the time of the Cross until His return. He does NOT hand it over 1,000 years AFTER His return.

To add to discussion. In a Country where people are subject to a King & Governors in Monarchy I can see where, 1 Peter 2:13,14,may apply a little more directly. but please read, 1 Peter 2:12-25, Please note: 1 Peter 2:19, even here "in good conscience toward GOD endure grief, suffering wrongfully" interesting words Con= opposing, Science...? GOD is GREAT!

There are many differences in Todays Governments.

We here in The USA are not "subjects" in our Declaration of Independence & Constitutional documents Federal & ALL States; we clearly do away with that. If you're in USA we Are The People, One Nation Under GOD. The Governing authority is ours, & it is our duty to act against Tyranny.

Side not: Recently I've received emails stating The US Supreme Court has blocked the "mandate" against a (governing agency to force companies to require vax) the Virginia Governor sworn in Sat. Jan.15, 2022. 1st Executive Orders, eliminate those regulatory wrongs even within schools. These past difficult tyrannical years should teach us to be wise for the future.

If we receive anything to save ourselves be careful = Luke 9:24, Mark 8:35, Matthew 16:25, Luke 17:33,

Hopefully this is helpful in your discussion.

George,

I hope you don't mind our dialogue.

Adam,

1st I respect like 99.9% = of your teaching, doctrine, insite & rightly dividing The Truth in your discussions & answering questions. The word "rapture" is not in the WORD of GOD that I have found thus far & it has been a subject of false teachings. Some lead the sheep to believe they will not suffer anything. I think the "great falling away" may even be part of this. 2 Thessalonians 2:3

I try to stick to the WORD itself. If you read my scriptural references I've included many scriptures about those two referenced scriptures. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, I feel it irresponsible not to included teaching about the subject in as much depth as available to not mislead but rather help each person themselves study to understand & therefore helping them follow GOD & indepth teachings of Jesus CHRIST, our Savior: by developing in themselves a knowledge of Truth & rightly dividing The truth. 2 Timothy 2:15, We do not know how long we will be available to each person we encounter, therefore why not give the WORD as abundantly as we can in each moment?

1 Thessalonians 4:17, isn't this the same "gathering" that is spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2:1, being the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians & addressing "not be shaken or troubled" 2 Thessalonians 2:2, then addresses "let no man deceive you by any means" George, Please read 2 Thessalonians 2,

Luke 17, I think in fairness: George, please read in context : Luke 17:20-37.

Please also read the scriptures I noted previously.

Thank you Adam those are also important scriptures I didn't realize I had left those out, until you noted them.

Peace my Brother Adam.

Hello, I'm sure you're familiar with 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and Luke 17:34-37. Since people use the word rapture to describe what those passages say, and since those verses are in the Bible, what do you mean when you say its not in the Bible? Thank you.

Hi Gary,

I don't know the answer to your question, but beware of people replying that go against scripture and don't cite any scripture themselves. God's word always dominates over man's opinion.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly talks about believers being caught up in the air.

Luke 17:34-37

1 Corinthians 15:52

This event is called rapture and comes from the Bible.

God bless

I will comment on versus 19-21; we are warned by the Apostle Paul in these versus that if Christians live an ungodly lifestyle, they will not inherit the kingdom of God. In order to understand the warning we must first understand the difference between entering the first dispensation of the kingdom of God, and inheriting the second dispensation of the kingdom of God. All Christians, upon being born again enter the kingdom of God, as in John 3:5 & Colossians 1:13 The Lord Jesus taught during this first dispensation of the kingdom of God, it is within the heart of all believers. Luke 17:20-21 We got into the kingdom of God by unconditional promises, through faith without works, as part of the foundation that Christ Jesus laid. Yet when we speak about inheriting the kingdom, we cannot talk about this first dispensation of the kingdom of God at all, seeing the word used here is inheriting, meaning, the Apostle Paul is referring unto the second dispensation of the kingdom of God, known as the millennial kingdom. Not all Christians will make it into this kingdom, although they will all go to heaven, yet to make it into the kingdom of heaven, it is not a free gift, rather you must earn entrance by meeting conditional promises, as in Matthew 7:21 and as in Acts 14:22 and as in Matthew 3:5 and Matthew 3:10 All of which speak of entering the millennial kingdom of heaven by faith with works, as you meet the conditions spoken of in those chapter versus. On the other hand, if a Christian lives an immoral lifestyle, as mentioned here in these seventeen sins, he is denied entrance into the millennial kingdom of God, and will remain in heaven until the thousand year kingdom is over.

Hi Alex N. In your response to conditional promises, you wrote about the kingdom of God, as though all Christians already have this in them, I should clarify this statement therefore to you, the first dispensation of the kingdom of heaven is inwardly, it lasts for 2,000 years, from the time the Lord Jesus died until he returns, according to the Lord Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 all Christians have the kingdom of God in their heart, this is also taught in John 3:5, all Christians enter the kingdom of God when they are born again, The Apostle Paul affirms this truth in Colossians 1:13, however, this is not what I was speaking about in conditional promises, I spoke about the millennial kingdom of God, which has not happened yet, no Christian has entered this yet, all scriptures place conditions upon entering that kingdom of God. I will say this, we made it into the first dispensation of the kingdom by faith without works, but to make it into the millennial kingdom, it is by faith with works. Please read Matthew 7:21 only if a Christian does the will of God can he make it in, this is a condition attached to making it in the kingdom. Read Matthew 25:14-30 unless you used your talents you cannot make it into the joy of the Lord, being the millennial kingdom, again a conditional promise to get it, or read Acts 14:22 as we must suffer much tribulation in order to make it into the kingdom, another conditional attached to making it into the millennial kingdom of heaven. Again read the warnings of why Christians will not make it into that millennial kingdom in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 & Galatians 5:19-21 & Ephesians 5:3-5 as a result of living a godless lifestyle, you lose your inheritance of entering into the millennial kingdom of God, in order to rule and reign for a thousand years. As concerning your topic of the man child teaching us all things, that prophecy is for the coming of Elijah in Malachi 4:5-6 it is not the ministry of the man child. I hope this explains conditional promises.

If that's how we deal with sin, and even regret for sin - than surely regrets that were in no violation of the commandments (if that was the case) should be dealt with in the same manner, if not even more graciously - the Lord God does not expect us to be completely flawless (while on this earth), and because that's not what He looks for, even if you reached a point where you never made any mistakes (which won't happen), the Lord would not impressed:

Luke 17:10 "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."

What the Lord looks for is repentance and faith:

Mark 1:15

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

As well as hope and charity:

1 Corinthians 13:13

"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

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If there is anything underlying the regrets, such as past sin, 2 Corinthians 7:8-11 showed us to have godly sorrow breaking God's commandments:

Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

And when mixed with faith in Jesus Christ salvation is received if unsaved, and all is forgiven - and once saved (not that we ever lose our salvation), but we can continue to repent for sins and have peace in knowing He understands we are made of dust, and we still have His total forgiveness:

Psalm 103

12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.

14For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

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I would encourage you to read all of Psalm 103

Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. Luke 17: 26-30

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:4-8,10-14

What are we to do when each day the news agencies report ever increasing threats of terror, hurricanes, cyclones, earthquakes, tsunamis, droughts, fires, floods, famines, pestilences and wars in our world? Jesus gave us His advice in the verses of Matthew 24

Matthew 24:8, Mark 13:8

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

We're going to see "earth pains" as Jesus compared it to the labor pains of a woman. We will get through this part; just hand on tightly to Jesus. Read the Gospels where he taught the disciples about it. (that's us).

Sometimes Nelson Walters teaches a little fast; but you might watch some of his "book of Daniel" end time teachings (on youtube).

We're going to witness nations rising up against other nations, on TV !! (Such as Russia taking over Ukraine) Or, Palestinian Nations attacking Israel. The USA is giving money to Israel's ENEMIES.

Let's do what Jesus said: PRAY for the Peace of Jerusalem!

EVANGELIZE lost people. Hang on to your JOY.

Leviticus 13:45, Leviticus 14:2-3,32, Leviticus 14, most of the chapter discusses the law of strictness, sacrifice, isolation, cleansing, hinting the severity. Leviticus 22:4, Numbers 5:1,2, Matthew 8:2-4, Mark 1:40-44, Luke 17:11-19,

2 Kings 5:1-14, note 2 Kings 5:15-27, Luke 4:14-27,

2 Kings 7:3-11, (the whole story started previous chapter/s & continues after verses I noted)

2 Kings 15:5, 2 Chronicles 26:21,23,

Matthew 10:1-8, Matthew 11:1-5,

Mark 3:1-5, Luke 14:1-4,

Hopefully these scriptures help in your study

Jesse That's is why in the Gospels he says without me you can do nothing, before born again without God

and without Hope now Sons of God and the Hope of the Return.

Very well said. It would be so great to all go out street preaching!!!! Oh to be 20 yrs younger :/

I love you all. We're familyJesus's bros and sisters! HAPPIER NEW YEAR.

Straight KJV Bible and a 3 inch wide Strongs Concordance. Mine smells so good I lay on it. Thank God the cat can't talk.

Tony,

I'd like to also share with you my perspective on Luke 17:9-10.

In Luke 17:9, Jesus says " Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him?"Jesus said, I think not.

Verse 10: So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.



So if you ever get into a position, a mind frame or an attitude in life that you think that things are going wrong and that God owes you, just remember that when we serve Him day and night, we are only doing what He asked us to do. It is not a bonus.

Then He says we are unprofitable servants.



The Greek word for unprofitable is useless. Useless! At our best in our human effort we are useless. But when God gives us the faith He does great things. But you see it's not to our credit. It is what God does through us, and if God works through us all day and all night, that is all to His credit. If we did it, we'd just be unprofitable servants only doing the minimum.

Anyway, that's what I understand this to be saying!

In previous Chapters we see Jesus is talking to many different people from different backgrounds, educations & walks in life:

Luke 14, Luke 15:1,2, Luke 16:1,14,

Luke 15:3 =3 parables prior have to do with GOD's goodness, amazing mercy & love for HIS lost children. Luke 15:4-32,

Luke 16, continues as Jesus is talking to the disciples, Luke 16:1, yet you see the others appear to still be there. Luke 16:14,

A steward is someone trusted with things, property, belongings (even teachings) that don't belong to them, they are trusted to maintain, keep, watch-over, protect, grow etc. In this parable Jesus seems to be pointing out the wrongs done.

Luke 16:8, notice Luke 16:9-13, if you go back to Luke 14, they appear to be at one of the Cheif Phariees house throughout these chapters. Luke 14:1, (Pharisee known for being very strict religious of GOD's written laws) therefore being a "steward" of GOD's written laws, including teaching, nextJesus speaks of the rich man, that showed no mercy. Luke 16:19-31, I believe Jesus is rebuking the "rich teachers, stewards" yet also teaching HIS disciples to be wiser to what is going on.

Hopefully this is helpful

A day unto the LORD,

Genesis 1:5, in chronological order of the Bible, maybe not exactly Chronological of actual dates of oldest to newest. 1st reference of day is evening & morning 1st day. Also light day & darkness night. Scientificly can be referenced to earths rotation being a day, approximately 24 hrs. That also in itself isn't completely finite, that's why we have time changes throughout the year spring & fall & leap-year in addition. In that day of creation was the determination as the rotation of the earth? Interestingly the sun & moon were not yet created, Genesis 1:16, therefore was the light from GOD? It does not specify the rotation nor exact hours. Yet classified as "the first day"

Genesis 2:4, it is quoted "in the day that the LORD God made the earth, and the heavens" as you ask? Here may possibly be the 1st time we can differentiate day being a moment of time, because the previous chapter already clarified/classified 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5,

Genesis 3:8, this may be the perfect example of clearly being 1 actual moment of a 24hr day. It would be interesting to know the different words used for each example from ealier translations & languages. To really study this more thoroughly.

Genesis 3:17 appears to be the 1st time in our translation & English wording that day is plural in multiple yet it was assumed previous as multiple yet as a single moment therefore classified as "a day" Genesis 5:2,

Again we see it Genesis 5:4,5,

Going further outside of Genesis; Luke 6:22-23, also being a moment not necessarily 1 rotation of earth. Luke 10:12, Luke 12:28, Luke 12:46, Luke 17:24, Revelation 6:17,

2 Peter 3:8,10, reading in context 2 Peter 3,

1 Corinthians 13:9-13, Colossians 1:26, there are principles here that help us understand we don't know everything here on earth in the flesh.

Hopefully this is helpful

what does it mean when he says a servant has done his duty but has to ask forgiveness for being a unprofitable servant?

Dear "Lex", please understand that Gud is a forgiven God. And it is only one person who never will be forgiven. And that is who destroys and seduces the peoples, antichrist. ps.

Luke 12:10

And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Matthew 12:31

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mark 11:26

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

And: Luke 17:4

And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Luke 6:37

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Its best to not judget at all becouse the God Himself is the only one who can Judge. It is for u important that u find your way in the scripture and hear what the Holy Ghost says.

He Never will take away a gift He have given. The gift is always flowing, like living water in your heart, our sin in the saved state. We shall confess our sins and be forgiven them? Thats why we never want too give The Holy Spirit sorrow!

He is not a Lord who gives and take back, u are His forever. So please dont turn back. But meet Him in your grief and judgmental thoughts. Come forth boldly with your transgressions and He and you will forgive the sin you have attached yourself to.

Come back to the calling He has called you to: And be blessed in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Have a realy good new year growing with the Only True and Righteous God Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Holy Spirit who understands all things in our hearts.

1 John 3:20

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21:Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, :)

Hi Carol. Leviticus chapter 13 is a chapter that fully describes the disease of leprosy & its aftermath.

Where in the old testament does it talk of the priests evaluation blemishes on the skin.

Bro Dan Jesus Christ was water baptized to fulfill all righteousness under the law which is why after he healed

many people he told them to present themselves in the temple and offer the offering in the old testament example

Luke 5:12-14, Mathew 8:1-4 Mark 1:40-41, luke 17:12-16 under the law of moses because their backgrounds were

Judean. When he healed Gentiles he never made that a point to say go to temple or see priest , the centurions servants

son is a perfect example he the centurion said you say it I believe it!. The condition was always believing because if

you don't believe you can't receive.

Please read these scriptures: John 7:1-53, Mark 2:1-28,

This discussion came up Holidays 2019, there was hatred towards not wearing masks in donut shop Southern California 80-90 degrees near beach. Teenager asked "wouldn't Jesus just be nice" then it hit me with fire inside my spirit. I replied "Jesus would be the first to bring alarm!" "If they were going to arrest people for getting too close, touching the sick, HE'd probably be first" I could envision HIM hugging & healing people & upsetting the "norm" as "enforcers" would say "HE isn't allowed to do that."

Luke 13:1-17, Luke 13:20-35, * Mark 3:1-6,9,10, *

Hypocrisy of crowds, sporting events, parades, but Jesus crowds? Mark 2:2, hypocrisy= John 19:31, Luke 4:14-44,

not wearing masks, HE'd probably be taking them off, elderly & children 1st. Would the creator of man, mankind, want them breathing carbondioxide, weaking their lungs, hiding HIS glory? 2 Corinthians, 1 John 1:1, seeking to save themselves? Luke 17:33, Matthew 16:35, Luke 8:35, John 12:25, Matthew 6:25

Luke 6:1-19,

John 9:1-7 can you imagine? criminal charges today?

+ HE actually gave commands to heal the sick, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Acts 4:28-30,

"The saddest thing about all the hate, meaness, is when this is over, people will remember how badly they were treated" "let's try to remember that & be kind"

Matthew 25:39

It's almost 2022. Those mandates have caused division, job loss, depression etc., yet what proof of any good?

To further answer your question: I have been in much prayer about it & I do not take lightly any scripture. I believe in USA we are a "Nation under GOD" being The People we are the ones with the Governing authority as per The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution & all States Constitutions. The people putting forth "Mandates" know they have not authority to call them "laws" they are therefore those that "resist the power & Ordinances of GOD" & the Higher power is GOD.

Hopefully these are helpful.

David,

Are you being facetious when you say "Christ's third coming" with the Saints?

Is there an event in-between Christ's resurrection and Christ standing on Mount Zion with his army of saints? Luke 17:34-37 makes it clear that the "taken" are dead with buzzards circling overhead. It's the Day of the Lord when 1/3 of mankind parishes, no one gets a free pass out.

Why at the second coming do you say Christ will not touch the earth while in charge of the Saints. Are you accounting for a man made rapture, to skip out on your appointed death? Why would God rapture born sinners when most saints are appointed death?

Did you alter scripture, or am I not understanding what you are saying? Please explain this interpretation.

Hi Brother S Spenser,

Sorry, I couldn't answer your previous post/response - as the previous thread regarding this topic of discussion was closed.

I do agree with you, and also Jesse, I believe the scripture below relates to the 2nd coming of Christ Jesus.The scripture you attached also clarifies it in my understanding even more.

Luke 17:34

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Luke 17:35

"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

As you may know over the years, some have alluded to possible homosexual evidence to this scripture above. GiGi weighed in previously, stating that it was not uncommon for people to share beds, as they were a short commodity during the time period. This makes sense.

To expand, I was curious about this scripture in Luke, and got sidetracked a bit, and in I my research, I found scripture in the OT specifically regarding the usage of the word "grind" or "grinding" relating to sex. The word seemed to be a slang word see related scripture.

Job 31:10

Judges 16:21

Lamentations 5:13

In researching this further, I do believe the the word grinding was a valid slang word for sex during those days. I'm still not sure if Luke was really referring to this in his scripture. I also compared it to the alternate scripture in Matthew, where Matthew states" grinding at the mill" whereas Luke did not add the "mill" in his composition.

Matthew 24:41

"Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

I'm leaning toward - there may be no sexual undercurrent in this scripture as some people may think.

God Bless

Hi Brother Dan.

I believe in the Rapture but I don't believe this is a reference to the Rapture.

I like what Brother Jesse has shared and would like to add to it.

We have what I believe is the same account worded slightly different in Matthew 24.

Jesus says in both accounts it will be like in the days of Noah. Question is Who was taken in the days of Noah?

Let's visit it.

Matthew 24:37-39. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

( AND KNEW NOT UNTIL THE FLOOD CAME, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE.

Now let's visit the text in question.

Luke 17:34-35. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

These are not Raptured, They're gathered but not to be with him. Those in the Ark were saved out of destruction and so is the Rapture. This is his second coming.

God bless.

Hi Gigi,

That does seem odd that the question was posted a month ago with zero response. I personally do not recall seeing the question but I do remember seeing a similar question not too long ago. I too have heard different interpretations on those verses in Luke. I would also like to share my understanding of Luke 17:34-35 for what it's worth.

First of all, something that should be known is that the word "men" in verse 34 is not found in any manuscript so I'm not sure why the translators put the word men in there. The reason why I think this is important to know is because this is one of the verses I have heard people use to justify homosexuality. But no manuscript has the word men. It's just two people. Just though I'd share that.

As far as where the "one taken," goes, this is what I see. Right after Jesus just got through saying there shall be two in one bed, one taken, the other one left, and two in the field, one taken, the other one left, in verse 37 the disciples asked Jesus "Where Lord?" So they want to know where the one taken is taken to. When I look at Jesus' answer in Luke 17:37, He says "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

This tells me that He is talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. Remember in Revelation, it tells us that the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses. If I remember correctly (I would have to search), but these people (The one's taken) have been drawn out into the battle by Christ.

Hi Sister GiGi,

Thanks for your response, and for bumping this post back up.

I'm currently of the same thinking as you regarding the rapture. I don't see real biblical support for the rapture, I believe the followers of Jesus Christ will be caught up to meet HIM, but this will be after the Tribulation and the trumpets of the Day of the Lord, at the sound of the last, or seventh trumpet, when all true Christians who've died or are still alive are changed together.

I'm still studying this, and regarding specifically Luke 17:34-35 Why are two men in bed together? What does it mean that two women are grinding together?

I have some thoughts on this, but I was hoping that others might want to weigh in with their thoughts.

God Bless.

Matthew 24:40; "taken left" = The word "flood" (vv. 38-39) translates from the Greek noun root "" (transliterated "kataklusmos"; pronounced "kata-klooce-MOS"), which derives the English noun "cataclysm," which speaks of either a social, political, or geographical disruption so violent as to result in mass and total destruction. Certainly the flood of Noah's day qualifies this description.

This verse (v.40) does not describe the Rapture of the Church. Those taken, are taken to be judged (cp. Lu. 17:34-37). Those left, are left to inhabit the Kingdom.

LORD JESUS qualified the word "taken" in Luke 17:37 when HIS disciples asked HIM, "[Taken] Where, Lord?" The LORD answered, "Wheresoever the body {contextually a corpse; carcass} is, there will the eagles {vultures; carrion eaters} be gathered together."

Those who are "taken" identify with those whom The LORD will "gather together" ( Rev. 16:16; 19:19) to judge them during Armageddon. Luke's expression as recorded in Luke 17:34 also agrees with Apostle John's description of "the Supper of the Great GOD" during which "fowls that fly in the midst of heaven" will assemble "to eat the flesh of" the armies of the Antichrist and his false prophet (see Rev. 19:17-18).

Those who are "left" will "live and reign with CHRIST a thousand years" ( Rev. 20:4).

The generation affected by the Flood presents a great typology: The earth's entire population were "taken" in judgment by the flood. In contrast, Noah and his family were "left" to replenish the earth.

Moreover, GOD "took" the entire population of Sodom and Gomorrah in judgment when HE destroyed the cities with fire and brimstone. Nevertheless, GOD preserved Lot and his daughters when HE "left" them out of harm's way.

In HIS parable of the net, The LORD graphically proclaimed this eschatological "taking" and "leaving": "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just" ( Mt. 13:47-50).

Hi Sister GiGi.

Thanks for the reply.

You are absolutely right, Revelation Ch 2 and 3, is a great study for the Church, and it instructs us in the right direction and shows us what's lacking. I can see some truth in what Matt is saying, Today some seem to want to sit around and talk over scripture in a round table setting with no virtue from the discussion. There seems to be a push to excuse or accept anything as long as one "says" he or she loves Jesus. A true believer shouldn't be totally lacking in fruit barren. When we feed on the "sincere" word whether by reading or one's teaching and we seek truth there should be spiritual growth at some point. We often quote and misuse 1 John 2:27. here I think John is talking about the Spirit giving revelation. Because the Lord gifted the Church with teachers and if their message is true there is a spiritual growth goes on that we have no control of, it's a leading out to green pasture. If the message is false we flee! That's revealed by the Spirit as well.

Luke 17:20-21. I hold the view that the Lord is saying in their midst. The kingdom of God is not coming the way the Pharisees expected. it want be with observation where he would come and usher out the Romans. God was ruling in the hearts of some people and the king was standing in front of them. John the baptist said in Matthew 3:1-2. In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. and also Jesus Matthew 4:17. From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. However they rejected their king, "He will return". Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. we do know they seen him again, What this means is behold him as a nation. And that will be done in the Millennium when he sits on David's throne.

God bless you.