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I would be interested to hear how others here, interpret this scripture:
Luke 17:34-35
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Thanks in advance, and God Bless.
Matthew 10:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mark 6:30 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the apostles gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and told him all things, both what they had done, and what they had taught.
Luke 6:13 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
Luke 9:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
Luke 11:49 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luke 17:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luke 22:14 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luke 24:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in context
It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
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Mishael
The HOLY SPIRIT revealed to me, one day after sometime pondering, that it was: Jesus
That was the Kingdom representation on earth, that suffered violence
& the Violent took Him by force, was it also Prophetic to what was about to happen to Him? & other people that belong to the Kingdom of Heaven? Also the Prophets that suffered violence previously.
John 10:30 -31
Mark 1:4
Matthew 4:17
Luke 17:21
Luke 17:25
Mark 14:46
Mark 14:48 -49
John 18:19
Matthew 20:19
Luke 13:34
Revelation 6:9 -11
Colossians 1:26 Even the MYSTERY which hath been HID from AGES and GENERATIONS, but is NOW made manifest to HIS SAINTS.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this MYSTERY among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:
He who is born of the flesh is flesh, he who is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT.
Does SPIRIT need clothes, streets to walk on, houses with rooms to live in, windows to look out of, doors to go through, sun to give light, food to eat, water to drink.
Behold all things have become NEW.
You want exist as you do NOW.
You become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST (fullness of Deity), who only hath immortality (life with no end).
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.
Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be FILLED WITH ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD.
Which is his body, the FULLNESS of him that filleth all in all.
Colossians 1:29 For in him dwelleth all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU....
John 3:13 No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).
Luke 17:21 .....THE kingdom of GOD is WITHIN YOU.
Revelation 21:1 You are the NEW HEAVEN
It is also written,And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;and then shall the END come.Yes,he that shall endure unto the END,the same shall be saved.Mat.24:13-14
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh,shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8. In fact, the earth is infested of apostasy,and unbelieving,and the abominable,and murderers,and whoremongers,and sorcerers,and idolaters,and all liars,they shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.THE WORD IS GOD.
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but the WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM. John 3v.35-36-The Word is GOD.
Now, even now, in this moment, is fulfilling LITERALLY the Word of GOD: Luke 17:v.26-29:- 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise
also as it was in the days of Lot;they did eat, they drank,they bought,they sold,they planted,they builded;29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven,and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in this Day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luke 13:23-27
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many,I say unto you,will seek to enter in,and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up,and HAS SHUT TO THE DOOR,and ye begin to stand without,and to knock at the door, saying, Lord,Lord,open unto us;and he shall answer and say unto you,I know you not whence ye are:26...We have eaten and drunk in thy presence,and thou hast taught in our streets.27But he shall say,I tell you I know you not whence ye are;depart from me all ye workers of iniquity.
May CHRIST IS US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.
Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ) cast out DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT ....
Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world (Satan in us) are become the kingdoms of God (CHRIST IN US), and his Christ; and he shall reign (IN US) for ever and ever.
Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...
GARDEN OF GOD
Song of Solomon 5:1 I (Christ) am come unto my GARDEN...
Isaiah 58:11 ...and thou shall be like a watered GARDEN....
Isaiah 61:11 ...and as the GARDEN causeth the things that are sown it to spring forth; so the Lord WILL CAUSE righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land (kingdom of God) that was DESOLATE is become like the GARDEN OF EDEN ...
Genesis 2:9 ...And the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the GARDEN, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion (His chosen): he will comfort all her waste places: and he WILL MAKE her wilderness like EDEN, and her deserts like the GARDEN OF THE LORD: joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Genesis 3:8 ..the Lord God walking in the GARDEN..
Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches: nor any tree in the GARDEN OF GOD were like unto him (Christ) in his beauty.
WE ARE THE GARDEN OF GOD....CHRIST IN US...
I also believe the taking away in Luke is judgment. Some mistake the taking away here is the rapture and the ones left behind goes into the Tribulation.
But in the days of Noah the Group being taken away is taken away by the flood not the Ark.
Luke 17:26-31. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Your question was: When we are gathered one by one where do we go.
It's not as much a question of where do we go: BUT who do we become.
I BELIEVE we become sons of God when we depart this body of earthly flesh.
Matthew 24:40
I BELIEVE the one taken becomes a son of God and the one left stays on earth confined to death and the grave, awaiting the second resurrection.
Luke 17:37
I BELIEVE the battle of Armageddon has been going on for 2000 years. It's the battle of worldly flesh against Spirit. Your fleshly mind has to be DESTROYED. The eagles (vultures) eat flesh. I BELIEVE it's happening now, you just can not see it because it is a spiritual battle. I BELIEVE Revelation 19; along with many other scriptures, describes this DESTRUCTION of the flesh as a necessity before the the marriage of the bride (can't be seen). Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God.
Christ said my words are SPIRIT; the words being fulfilled, can't been seen.
Hebrews 12:18 For we ARE NOT COME unto the mount that can be TOUCHED ....
Hebrews 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion (can't be touched or seen) (the battle for the kingdom can't be touched or seen), and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (can't be touched of seen), and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to spirits of JUST men made PERFECT (mature).
If you have come into full maturity (being made perfect) then you are EXACTLY like the SEED you came from.
Luke 8:11 The parable is this: the SEED is the WORD of God.
You are a SON OF GOD. (but never with the glory of the firstborn, JESUS)
You do not believe in a rapture of the church but believe we are gathered one by one? Those who are gathered, where do they go?
One of the verses you used is Matthew 24:40 which says, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. There are different views about two in the field, one is taken, one is left. Where does the one go that is taken? We know where the one that is left is, but what about the one that is taken?
Some say they are taken into judgment (Which I myself believe). Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.
But in Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are not taken to be with the Lord. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. The book of Revelation tells us that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells us that they are taken for judgment.
In Luke 17:37, they ask Jesus where the one that is taken goes. Jesus says "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." These are actually vultures. He's talking about that day when people are going to gather together in the Valley outside of Jerusalem to fight against Christ at His coming. And the birds are going to be called in to feed on their carcasses? These people have been drawn out into the battle. So He is talking about His day. So these people who are taken are not taken to be with the Lord.
As far as a rapture, you make no mention of the phrase "caught up" used in 1 Thess. chapter 4, nor do you mention that chapter at all, the chapter those who believe in a rapture use. The Greek word is HARPADZO which means to be snatched up by force. What are your thoughts on those who are forcefully snatched up?
I don't agree with your placement and function of those 2 scriptures. Luke 17:34-37 & 1 Thessalonians 4:17, are not in context with the end-time time-line, and are opposed to each other.
Luke 17:34-37 Jesus speaks of himself coming like lightning, at the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord. Like in the days of Noah, and in the days of Lot, to destroy the sinners there of. Jesus is describing the sixth trumpet abomination of desolation, when antichrist attacks Israel, beginning the great tribulation. The Lord is sanctified in our enemies destruction of us.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 describes the seventh trumpet, firstfruit resurrection. This event occurs 42 months past Luke 17:24-37. This is Revelation 11:15, the mystery is over.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Luke 17:34-37
Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
I disagree with those ideas. You didn't say whether you believed Luke 17:36? If someone reads the context of the chapter it's clear what's happening. You believe you have an obligation to the truth and others who disagree with you may likewise feel the same obligation to correct your unsound Bible interpretations as well. It must be noted that this isn't a salvation issue.
The best solution rather than to instigate quarrels or to call people mean names is to pray to God for wisdom, discernment and understanding of His Word. Have you tried this?
Read the next verse down ( Luke 17:37):
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
The disciples asked Jesus where these people are being "taken", and Jesus explains that they are dead. Therefore, siting that and other like scriptures, I reject the notion of divine intervention for end-time sinners as fantasy. Hebrews 9:27
I have an obligation to correct those who spread unsound Biblical methods. If we don't reprove one another, we have babel.
That doesn't sound like a very uplifting or respectful comment there.
Sounds like you're just saying an 'I'm right, you're wrong' argument without even explaining your belief.
Most Christians believe the Bible, including verses like Luke 17:36 that says,
"Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
Do you believe Luke 17:36 is true? That is what most Christians define as rapture. The term is simply used as a convenience, but the term itself is unimportant, but the event that the end of Luke 17 describes. Will one person really be taken and one left? Is that scenario true? Yes, it is. The Bible says it is, and not just in one place.
Also, it sounded like you were calling Christians "fools" for believing Luke 17:36.
Are you familiar with this verse that gives a warning of serious consequences to anyone calling others by that name you used?
Matthew 5:22
As I would like to put my perception on "Heaven". I myself believe Heaven to be an actual place. Not just in us as stated in Luke 17:21. As we are the tabernacles of God where He dwells when we receive His Holy Spirit. Even as God is life and in everything weather Blessed to receive the Spirit of Christ or not. Job 34:14-15.
The Holy Bible is a spiritual book though many, many, things are literal not just spiritual. God's wisdom is so divine that almost anything may be taken in both ways. For maybe a reason God knows why.
Some things to consider I find fascinating. How both Enoch and Elijah were literally taken up by God in there human bodies and never saw a physical death. Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11-12. I believe Elisha literally saw a chariot of fire. In the book of Enoch there are amazing things we truly cannot comprehend.
14:8 A vision thus appeared to me.
14:9 Behold, in that vision clouds and a mist invited me; agitated stars and flashes of lightning impelled and pressed me forwards, while winds in the vision assisted my flight, accelerating my progress.
14:10 They elevated me aloft to Heaven. I proceeded, until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystal. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
Paul stating about a friend with a vision in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. That he could not fully explain.
Also that Jesus Christ in His glorified body( Luke 24:39) was able to appear and disappear. Also He was taken up into the clouds Acts 1:9-11.
Fully understanding Heaven we are not to able. It is so beyond us it could be anything as nothing is impossible with God.
I could go on and on about this but would be a very long conversation. Maybe just adding some people with NDE's having out of body experiences, in the spirit, able to testify of things going on when they were dead. Seeing their own bodies of flesh before them. Being taken up to be in the presence of the Lord.
Glorious
In Matthew 24 Jesus describes events before, during and after the sixth trumpet, 42 month great tribulation. The verses are mystical, interwoven magic. People confuse, or conflate the sixth and seventh trumpets, but there are differences.
( Matthew 24:36) states that no man knows the time of Jesus Christ's triumphant "seventh trumpet" return, but the Father.
Only God knows when the seventh trumpet will sound on Mt Olive, and the mystery of God will be over.
God reveals the season and time of day of the sixth trumpet Mystery Babylon attack revealing the man of sin:
( Jeremiah 15:8-9) The spoiler at "noonday", when the sun is high in the sky; 3pm.
11pm ( Luke 21:20-24)
( Luke 17:34-37) They're not being resurrected, they're dead.
Recognize these are perilous times. America balances on the tail end of bully days.
Matthew 24:36-39 (KJV) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luke 17:26-27 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
God bless you,
I hope that helps.
When it says one will be taken the other left, it also means exactly that: Luke 17:34-36. And when it says the same thing here, it also means that too: Matthew 24:40-41. Rapture is just a convenient word people use to describe what Jesus told us would happen.
Ezekiel 13 isn't related to this rapture. God bless.
Very FEW understand the kingdom or heaven or HEAVEN or THE GOSPEL or the good news.
WHERE DOES GOD DWELL?
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you?
1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON THE EARTH? behold the HEAVEN and HEAVEN OF HEAVENS cannot contain THEE; how much less this HOUSE (TEMPLE) that I have builded?
Hebrews 3:6 For Christ is a Son over his own HOUSE; whose HOUSE WE ARE....
Hebrews 9:1-2 .....WE have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the THRONE ( Isaiah 66:1) of the majesty in the HEAVENS; (YOU)
(vs 2) A minister of the sanctuary, and TRUE TABERNACLE, which the Lord pitched and not man.
Psalms 148:4 Praise him, YE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS...
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in HEAVEN....
Hebrews 12:23
Romans 8:29
Colossians 1:27 .....CHRIST IN YOU
You never die if ye are born of the SPIRIT you just change bodies.
1 Corinthians 15:51-58
Is this my brother in Sverige?
Either way.Of coarse there are slight changes here and there, in the Scriptures, as it is interpreted. As you know it is still the living Word of God. I myself was lead to Jesus Christ from some new "translation" of the Holy Bible. It still lead me to the Lord who is the way the, the truth, and the life.
I think judging can be perceived two ways. One is to judge someone and think "that's it, no hope for him" and curse them. The other is to judge what is right from wrong, truth from lies, and try to help others by telling them their faults. Now of coarse don't be a hypocrite and tell someone not to do something you also do. Of coarse the one Judge over all is Jesus Christ and we are all to be judged, by what we have done, in the end. Though we who follow Jesus Christ are the body of Christ. As He uses us as He pleases to do His Will.
About this life. A simple view is that this life is God's field and it is a place for testing of hearts and souls. Given in many parables by the Lord. The entire reason why God made us to live here, and whatnot, only God can answer. As it is probably not to be known while we are here. It is God's Will that shall be done not ours.
Here are some verses for you, about "judging" others. Not condemning others. To help them if able, not to curse them. Are we not to know, or judge, even a false prophet by their fruits? A tree is known by it's fruit.
Leviticus 19:17
Proverbs 9:7-8
Proverbs 12:1
Proverbs 17:10
Proverbs 19:25
Ezekiel 3:17-21
Matthew 18:15
Luke 17:3
Colossians 3:16
God Bless
May the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS knowledge.
Revelation is about the kingdom of heaven, CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST.
Ephesians 2:15
Luke 17:21
Colossians 1:27
This chapter is a vision of the finished work of the cross.
Revelation 15:1 ....having the seven last plagues, in them (plagues) is filled up the wrath of God.
These plagues had to be fulfilled before the kingdom of heaven is possible.
(vs 2) The sea is symbolic of people ( Revelation 17:15) the fire is symbolic of Christ ( Hebrews 12:29) these have become one with Christ ( John 17:21)( Ephesians 2:15).
(vs 3-4) The praises to God for their salvation.
(vs 5) Access to the temple is near. The temple is symbolic of Christ. Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up ( John 2:19)
(vs 6-7) The wrath of God is now ready to be poured out.
(vs 8) .....no man is able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels be fulfilled.
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him...
THE WRATH OF GOD WAS POURED OUT ON CHRIST, the last plague being death; now we can enter the temple (CHRIST IN YOU AND YOU IN CHRIST) Christ has become our PASSOVER LAMB, death has passed over us.
Hebrews 11:5 By FAITH Enoch was TRANSLATED that he should not see death .....
Colossians 1:13 .... and hath TRANSLATED us into the kingdom of his dear Son
Mark 1:14-15 Now after John was put into prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom of God.
(vs 15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the GOSPEL.
Repentance is not the GOSPEL.
Psalms 52:1 Why BOASTEST thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man; the goodness of God endureth continually.
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his GOODNESS and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS of GOD leads to repentance.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you.
THIS IS THE GOSPEL!
Colossians 1:27 ..... which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.
You are baptised (not by physical water; but with living water) INTO CHRIST!
The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire Matthew 3:11
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
I have to tell you that your message is so beautiful, my eyes watered. I think you are wonderful, your sayings. My father was from Wallasey, was bombed by Hitler, slept on 3 chairs, but he pulled on through.
Yes, Gematria is sorcery, govt's are obsessed with it. It works, people will believe anything authority says, without question and defend the hoax. It pays to know that everything public is tainted. It stopped the confusion, the madness of absorbing propaganda.
We are certainly in the last days, the things Jesus told us to look out for are here. You may not know the minutia of whats coming, but sensing danger around the corner. You are right again, it will only get worse. That what you fear, in my mind, is the day of the Lord. Jesus told of it Luke 17:34-37, says the 'taken' are dead.
I want prophesy fulfilled because I'm sick of the way things are done. Rev 11:15 interests me. Wow, your last sentences are so magical. Speaking of fiery, we get Elijah (order of) before the strike Malachi 4:5
Best to you, take care.
God knows who the 144,000 are, and I'm sure they are righteous souls. The 2 witnesses from both houses of Israel are there to document anti-Christs crimes for trial, as required by the law.
Too many people think that Elijah and Moses are the 2 witnesses, which goes to prove how easy it is to be a slave to what someone else believes.
Too many people believe in a pre-6th trumpet, day of the Lord rapture. Rapture is not Bible doctrine. Luke 17: 34-37 Jesus describes those being "taken" at the day of the Lord's visitation. They ask him, Lord, where are they taken? Jesus says you will find the bodies where the vultures are gathered--(they're dead).
However, at the 7th trumpet, the few who make it through the great tribulation are given an air lift to Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is how it's done. From an earlier question, Revelation 10:7 has a connection to Rev 11:15, providing resolution to the mystery.
I want more too. I'm sure 9-11-01 was Rev 9:1-11; the 5th trumpet sees mystery America terrorizing the world with their phony war on terror. It only makes sense that crooked America gets obliterated at the 6th trumpet, Revelation 9:13-21 by the beast. The Gematria screams inside job as well, God knows they love their witchcraft. Small example of the ritual: The Pentagon is 77 feet tall, it sits on the 77th meridian, and on 'September Eleventh' (77 Reduced Ordinal) was struck by fight 77, 77 minutes after takeoff, traveling at 530 mph (77 feet per second). World Trade Center = 77 (Full Reduction).
May God watch over you, Marilyn.