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1. Thanks for that. Many have been saying once a christian and that's it. As you rightly said, end time event is not salvation. You receive salvation when you become born again and grace is imparted into you. But at the seat of judgement, you need mercy. The grace given to you at salvation is to overcome sin and do what you are assigned to do. You will give account of the use of the grace; what you used the grace for: Romans 2:5-7 "5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"

At the judgement seat, you need mercy. And mercy is at the discretion of the Lord.

2. The issue of two men on the same bed is not in support of homosexuality. Rather, it is an assumption by those who conclude on the perversion. Being in the same bed together is not to mean they were sexually cordial. It is a family thing. And it does not mean they are both men; the word "men" could be used as unisex to mean a species. Thank you again

The men were probably huddled around a campfire to keep warm. Anyone who camps out under the stars knows that. Let's not fix this scripture to an issue of homosexuality, ok?

Grinding: they were grinding grain into a flour to bake with. You can easily say 2 women are standing side by side. The believer in Jesus will be caught up in the clouds; the unbeliever will not.

We read the Bible every day so our minds can be renewed on the Holiness and Purity of Jesus: who is the Word of God, in the flesh.

This website has a Commentary that is accessed through the blank Search Box.

I go there often to read what it says.

You can read Commentaries through GOOGLE also.

Back in the day when you could not go to the grocery store to get your cereal people made their own flour by grinding the grains into flour. Two women grinding together is what that verse is referring to. The two men in bed, back in the day and most third world countries there is one room where people sleep. Very common for families to be sleeping in one large bedded area. Hence to men in bed together.

Looks like you're talking about Luke 17:34-35. This is Jesus talking about an event many call the rapture where people are taken away- possibly to paradise or to maybe be judged first. I personally do not know how this coincides with Jesus meeting His followers in the air 1 Thessalonians 4:17. I don't believe the end times events is a salvation issue so I don't have a particular opinion on it. As for the women grinding, I think these are women working in a mill. As for the men, I think they were sleeping in a bed. I don't believe this implies any kind of homosexuality as it's not uncommon for people to stay in people's houses and share a bed or whatever limited resources they had.

what does the grinding means in the scripture, two women shall be grinding together, what does this mean, please explain this to me, two men in bed together, what does this mean?

Dear D.J.

I agree. As long as Satan is loose on this earth he will be busy constantly/continually tempting everyone ....especially Christians. We are "not perfect" so we will slip at times. We can be assured that when we do sin....we can ask Christ to be forgiven.

Jesus tells us below

Luke 17:4

"And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him."

Jesus will forgive us when we sin, if we ask and repent. He knows our heart, and he knows if we are trying our best and he understands each of us!

God Bless.

Look at the context of this verse. The one sin that won't be forgiven is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Right before Jesus said this, he said that those who deny Him (Jesus) before men will be denied eternal life. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and that sin will not be forgiven.

If we deny Christ, we were never saved to begin with, and we are denied eternal life.

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." Luke 9:24, Matt 16.25, Mark 8:35, Luke 17:33

Mathew 11:12

I believe it's Jesus, that suffers the violence

John 1

Luke 17:21-25

Luke 22:52-53, Luke 22:63-65, Luke 23:33

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! 2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Note: in 1-2 JESUS prepares both our heart and mind as it relates to living day to day; HE assures us wrong-offences shall come against us. Also JESUS assures us HE is keeping record of those who wrongly commit offences against us.

Note: we must always remember there are those of us whose name is written in THE LAMB BOOK Of LIFE thereby we are hated by the dragon who is always working day and night to plan and use others to commit offences against us. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, ...

It's quite disingenuous to partially quote 1 Tim 5: 2 "the elder women as.... the younger women as sisters". It's obvious here elder is referring to seniority in age in comparison to the younger women.

The bible also states that the "elder is a husband with one wife".

Women are and have been prophets, but I do not believe they are supposed to be pastors.

The sad irony is I think that the church actually agrees with me, otherwise it would pay women pastors the same as the men, and I believe it does not....

Patricia Robinson, WOMEN SHOULDN'T TEACH

If you do not want to teach the word of God and lead other people that know less than you because you believe that the Bible tells you that you shouldn't, that's up to you.

Can you show me where it says that women SHOULD NOT lead or guide others in the word of God?

What about Priscilla

Acts 18:26,

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Romans 16:3

"Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:"

Notice whose name came first this time!

Priscilla is teaching and leading the flock.

Pastor means to "rule" or "tend or "herd" a flock.

Disciple means to "goad" or "teach."

Elder means "honorable" or simply "older" and specifically refers to men AND WOMEN.

1 Timothy 5:2 speaks of the "elder women" of the people.

God has NEVER excluded half of His people from being able to teach others His Message!

You'll have to pick a book and verse. The best way to know what it means, is to read the Bible every day; take notes.

Many good Pastors teaching on FM Radio 24 hours a day. You'll have to dial around to find them. There's 1 channel on AM radio.

I don't know about where you live? See what you can find. With churches closed it gets a bit more dicey to hear Gods Word.

There won't be anymore of that once The Antichrist is revealed in real life.

Be born again and ask for the Holy Spirit to come alongside of you to Help, Comfort, Teach scripture, explain what you are reading; tell you when you are straying off course; to hold you when you cry and also show you what Ephesians 6 is all about.

You'll have to pick a book and verse. The best way to know what it means, is to read the Bible every day; take notes.

Many good Pastors teaching on FM Radio 24 hours a day. You'll have to dial around to find them. There's 1 channel on AM radio.

I don't know about where you live? See what you can find. With churches closed it gets a bit more dicey to hear Gods Word.

There won't be anymore of that once The Antichrist is revealed in real life.

Be born again and ask for the Holy Spirit to come alongside of you to Help, Comfort, Teach scripture, explain what you are reading; tell you when you are straying off course; to hold you when you cry and also show you what Ephesians 6 is all about.

Read 2 Kings 5:14

But read the whole chapter to understand what was happening.

Who is Eliaseus in Luke 4:27

What does each book pertain too?

This is a piece of testimony that I promised. It is meant to show YOU how much Jesus loves YOU and desires you to be in His family. He accepts you now (as is) and has grace and mercy in His heart towards you. Yes! You.

Sometimes we get caught up on all the Thou Shalt nots and the verses that are meant to keep order in the Church; the Body of Christ: we lose sight of the Grace which is always standing right in front of us.

He always desires us to extend that Grace outward to others who do not know of that Grace just yet. The Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ within us (upon salvation), leads us in spiritual growth; taps us on the shoulder when we are veering off the path; leads us into the knowledge of the Holy.

Testimony: I was an astrologer before salvation. If people opposed me, I would imagine them dead; and bury them. I would have nightmares of fields of graves that refused to stay hidden. Fear hath torments.

After my salvation, people who had known me would say to my face, with a chuckle, that anyone as evil as I had been could NOT possibly be saved! My doubts and joy began to ebb away. In anguish I had to prove that I could make Jesus cut me loose and turn on me too. And then I had a dream.

Jesus was nailed to a Cross, which was lying on the ground. He was looking at Me. The self-hate in me rose up and I picked up a rock and began to hit the nails in His hands. Every time I struck Him, He would say "I Love You." I kept on believing He would give up on me. He kept saying, I LOVE YOU. Finally I threw the rock away and collapsed on his chest, and I let love and forgiveness flood my soul. All the self-hate and condemnation was washed away in tears. I woke up. I knew without a doubt that His power to Forgive was stronger than my power to Hate.

I never again hated or received hate. All the dreams were ended. Every day of my new life was lived in His acceptance of me.

You can live your life that way too. Search your hearts and minds.

1 Corinthians 14:34-36 KJV

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Sure why not?

I will admit that men do better at Pastoring as a whole. Women are good intercessors and do very well teaching on prayer, equipping all people who feel that call.

We have to know that our prayers are shaking Heaven and sending demons to the dry, hot places.

We need to pray to the Lord of the Harvest; to send laborers out into the Harvest.

I'm not going to debate this. It's like trying to explain that God has an end time plan for Israel. Too hot.

If God needed pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets; would He find anyone available to fill in? Faith?

It calls for people who are flexible; who have studied to show themselves approved; someone who can explain the same things on the 'become a Christian' link on this website.

We've had decades of being shut in with computers, Facebook, twitter; talking to a screen, without actual contact with a live person face-to-face. It was much easier in Jesus's time.

There are many people who come to the prayer request room that need some contact; someone to agree with them, as touching on their needs. It takes a FOLLOW JESUS kind of attitude. I don't see it happening. Check the Thread Links.

I know The book of Joel is prophetic, and God is going to find willing servants. He'll pour out the Holy Spirit upon them. I'm kind of like a watchman: I watch, I pray, intercede, stand in gaps, carry baby lambs, ask questions at times. Beat up on demons often. Sing and praise exceedingly; Whatever God wants, is what I do. See, He reached down in a pit of muck and pulled me out of it; demons scattered. Filled me full of the Holy Spirit. I gotta believe there is many, many more like me out there.

I love my life now! Nothing I ever did with the devil, was as wonderful as sitting at the feet of Jesus. He is Worthy to receive Praise and Worship and Honor.

Can anybody have that? Yes. You'll have to die to carnality and self. Give your life away to Jesus; and take His Life into your being.

Do what He Does. Follow His Leadership.

I'll write a short testimony later. What caused me to do what I do. My phone is flatlining now.

Mishael

Prophets aren't pastors, though. Nowhere in the Bible were women called to be disciples or elders.

Women Preach On!

The Sons of Aaron were the priestly order UNTIL the renting of the veil ( Matthew 27:51)

Teaching is open to everyone.

Class is in Session.

Christ is the Head Master.

Women were prophesying (teaching) and judging (governing / leading) all throughout the Old Testament; Miriam ( Exodus 15:10), Deborah ( Judges 4:4), Huldah ( 2 Kings 22:14), etc

The Prophesy

Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your SONS and your DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

The Fulfilling of Prophesy

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your SONS and your DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I rest my case. The olden days of people leaning on Paul to keep the women quiet in Church is OVER.

I DARE anyone in here to go on YouTube and watch some prophetic sermons by

IVERNA THOMPKINS.

Who gave you permission to Riverdance on a Prophesy of God, Almighty and Wonderful GOD ??

We live in 2020. The idea that women are ill equipped to behave in Church is ended. God wants SONS and DAUGHTERS to prophesy: teach the Word of God. We're there already.

I would not want to be a 2020 man, discouraging the Daughters of God to prophesy and teach. God is going to raise them up supernaturally: sons and the daughters! He will step right over our prejudices, and the Word of God will be accomplished. Why not repent: change your mind? Be helpful. Be discerning.

Read the Hebrew, the Greek and get out the history books.

Be refilled and given a fresh anointing by the power of the Holy spirit. Has anyone seriously thought about what a revival of God would look like and hear like?

Maybe the Government has taken our songs away and tried to legislate how many people can get inside a church.....BUT they can't take The Church out of the People!!

Why can't we meet in homes?

Our congressional leaders are turning into the Evil Empire, so we need a plan and quick. If they close the churches; we meet in homes, like the Chinese Christians do.

Are all the prophesies fulfilled? Anybody know that for sure?

Are woman allowed to preach?

Isaiah 53:2

"For he (Jesus) shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."

Jesus is an ordinary looking man.

The other description you used is the one from Revelation 1: of the returning LION of the TRIBE of JUDAH.

When Jesus started his Ministry, there was nothing that the Pharisees or Leaders, saw that would make them believe he was the Messiah. Jesus came to them as the Lamb of God; not a King. He was rejected on the basis of appearance. God looks on the heart.

Hi Bobby ...There is no description of baby Jesus in the bible ,however the book of Revelation,chapter 1,verses 13-15 describes the glorified Lord Jesus as seen by Apostle John.Jesus' hair was white as wool and his feet like unto fine brass as if they were burned in a furnace.

My mom once told me that in the Bible there is a description of Baby Jesus. "Skin like burnt copper, hair like sheep's will". Where is that scripture?

Darlene, concerning those taken first.

Again, well presented.

The words of Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 24:40-41, and Luke 17:34-35 reveal that the people TAKEN FIRST are taken by Satan.

Many understand this in the complete opposite way.

The Meaning of Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35, "Although many assume that those taken in Matt 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 are taken to be with Jesus and those left behind are left for judgment, this interpretation should be rejected." Throughout the context of these passages Jesus uses judgment language reminiscent of the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem and the subsequent exile of its inhabitants. Those who were taken away were the ones judged by God whereas those left behind were the remnant who received grace.

Furthermore, the teaching of Jesus confirms this thesis. In the Parable of the Weeds the Son of Man sends his angels to gather out the children of the devil and throw them in the fiery furnace whereas the wheat is left behind ( Matt 13:36-43).

The context of Matt 24 and Luke 17 also suggests Jesus is intentionally using judgment and remnant language. Such language naturally brings up images of the former destruction of Jerusalem where the enemy came and "took away" (i.e., killed) those in the city.

Finally, the parallel with Noah and the flood in the preceding verses strongly confirms our thesis. Just as in the days of Noah the people were taken away by the great flood, so those who are not prepared will be taken away when the Son of Man returns.