Leslie, continue to pray for him and also, invite him to read the Scriptures with you. That may help him move nearer to the Lord. God is at work when people get baptized. He will continue to work in this person's life day by day. Don't give up on him. God knows His heart and is needed for him to turn more whole-heartedly to Himself. He may have "baby" faith right now. Be present for him and supportive so that he will be willing to ask questions that he might feel embarrassed or timid to ask. You are in his life for a reason such as this.
This is what the Body of Christ does - In Reply on Luke 20 - 3 years ago
I wasn't saved when I did astrological charts on my nephew and niece. My brother-in-law (an asst. pastor was enraged, went to church, confessed his anger in front of the whole church. He asked the congregation to pray and fast ONE day for me. I wasnt told he did this.
My life began to unravel. Everything that represented security to me was "taken away". I did not know why. I did more prescription drugs with alcohol. I thought a lot about suicide. Every morning I'd wake up to a voice that spoke "if you don't stop this, you'll leave your son without his parent. He was all I had! Things got worse. I prayed for help. To who? My son was all I had left. My home was full of spirits.
God had peeled me like an onion; Layer upon layer until all my defenses were removed.
Then the Lord came to me in a vision. I saw Jesus. I saw my sin. I was shown everything. I had only one thing. I was convinced fully God is real and alive. I took his hand and I was delivered from everything!
God honored those prayers said for me. He honored those who turned their plates upside down and fasted for someone they didn't even know. I wasn't even told about it until years later!
The life of all deluded, fakers, liars; are worth one day of violent faith, shaking the throne of God for the salvation of this man through prayers.
Don't give up. Get some church members, praying Grandmothers, to pray and fast; one day. Just pray for him to see in the mirror__ the truth behind his eyes staring back at him.
What you are fighting is a religious spirit. It's the intercessors that will destroy its works.
It was Jesus's love that brought you here today. Think of a wall with a hole in it. Standing in that gaping hole is what we do. Listen to Charles Capps, Authority of the Believer, on youtube. Make notes.
Hello Leslie. I was sad to read that account of your family member but was heartened by your clear strong stand in the faith of Jesus Christ & concern for your family members. Whatever the reason for him getting baptised, the point of it is that he must first know Christ as his Saviour & water baptism that follows shows his acknowledgement & identification with Jesus in death, burial & resurrection.
You no doubt have shared with him on this matter & whatever his response, you will just have to leave it, since baptism being done for the wrong reasons has no meaning & will fool no one. Your concern & prayer for him, with your Christian life & witness, may in time provoke him to conviction & taking the Lord seriously. So you must continue to pray for him according to the burden on your heart & Spirit's leading, & standing on the Word of God when Satan tries to intrude or discourage you. Stay strong & true to the Gospel, which is indeed "the Power of God (leading to) salvation" ( Romans 1:16). But in all things, exercise godly love, faith, patience & meekness before all ( 1 Timothy 6:11, as given to Timothy by Paul) & let God deal with all your family in His Own way. You may be the only light from God that they will ever see & He's placed you there at this time for that very reason. Be encouraged & blessed in your witness.
Yes I have a question about Baptism. So a family member of mine got baptized Septmeber and I am really embarrassed about it because it was just for show and has not taken it seriously at all.And have not given a testimony of goodness of the Lord. He Have not told anyone and really seems not to care. As for me I love The Lord with all my heart. I do not play church or with the word of God. I have been praying that the Holy Spirt would fall upon him the family member. So I need to know would it be wrong to not to pray for this person when , I know he not going to saved either just like the others in my family.it seems to me the more I pray in, with and by the spirit the devil is always in the middle. I refuse to be ashamed of the gospel in eyes of my family. Please advise Thank you.
Hi Messaye. This verse in Luke 21:19 can be read as follows: 'by your patient waiting & endurance, your lives will be kept safe'. Israel had been through several wars & skirmishes since Jesus spoke those words, the first of which was in AD 70 when Titus of the Roman army ransacked Jerusalem.
But Jesus was speaking to His disciples (both to the twelve & the larger following - Luke 20:45), of the much longer term when there will be much persecution & false arrests of those who followed Christ. Even though Jews have endured much suffering & death over the ages, Jesus promises to keep His followers then & those now who have repented & turned to Him in faith, in care & safety, that with patience & waiting they endure these hardships till He come.
Brother Ronald. Those (CHOSEN) have their part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection). The chosen want be in the second resurrection.
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection of the dead (we are dead in our trespasses, sinful flesh) ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore (they died the first death, their life for the life of Christ), for they are equal unto the angel; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST'S) own body.
The chosen are called to be priest, under their High Priest, Christ, in the kingdom on earth, when all other flesh has been resurrected, to judgement.
Jeremiah 51:19-23
Isaiah 65:12-17
Isaiah 66:18-24
The above scriptures, and others not listed, is the white throne judgement.
Sister Sacha, Christ is going to stand on this earth in GLORIFIED FLESH. The Saints also who have been CREATED in the IMAGE of CHRIST, with the same GLORIFIED FLESH, as Christ are going to stand with Him, and together they (being made ONE, same BODY and same MIND) are going to JUDGE THE EARTH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS ( Isaiah 26:9).
Luke 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it (glorified flesh) IS I MYSELF: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me have.
1 Corinthians 15:39-41 ALL FLESH is not the SAME FLESH .....one celestial and one terrestrial .....
This is hard to wrap our minds around, Christ has a body that can exist IN MAN, or stand in the presents of man.
It's even harder to wrap our minds around the fact that we ALSO are going to have this SAME BODY.
This is what the thousand year reign with Christ is all about. The thousand years are not LITERALLY ONE THOUSAND YEARS, but one day (DAY OF THE LORD which has been happening now for two thousand years) is as a thousand years and a thousand years as on day ( 2 Peter 3:8).
Matthew 20:1-16 Christ went out at the first of the day (of the Lord) to call workers to his vineyard.
This would apply to all those that were apostles and received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
When they departed their terrestrial bodies they were given celestial bodies and they are still working in God's vineyard ( Revelation 10:11)( John 1:51)( Genesis 28:12).
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels ...
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Luke 20:36 ...neither can the die anymore, for they are equal to the angels ...
For the last two thousand years (one day, God has been calling workers to work in God's vineyard vineyard; first in a terrestrial body and then in a celestial body.
You are a worker NOW in a terrestrial body; when you DEPART your terrestrial body, you will NEVER SEE DEATH, but CONTINUE being a worker in your CELESTIAL BODY. ( Revelation 20:6)
Sister Sacha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
In reading your past comments I know you think you are going to lay in the grave until the resurrection of the dead.
God's word says those born again (IN CHRIST, IN the book of LIFE) will never see death. You LIFE is IN CHRIST, Christ is IMMORTALITY.
You were RAISE with CHRIST (this is the first resurrection)
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he (you Sacha) that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION; on such the second death hath no power, but they (you Sacha) shall be priests of God, and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Luke 20:35 But they (you Sacha) which shall BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY (you Sacha are CHOSEN) to obtain that world (the same way and glory Christ always had with the Father in that world) and the resurrection (you Sacha and Christ died together and were raise together, Sacha in Christ and Christ in Sacha, made ONE) from the dead .....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (you Sacha) DIE anymore: for they (you Sacha) are EQUAL to the angels (Christ is the angel of God); and are the children of God, being the children of the (you Sacha and Christ) RESURRECTION.
Hi Chris-Here's my understanding of the Greek word for "torment," in Revelation 20:10. First, I have read this passage many times (who doesn't read Revelation many times?) This is what struck me. Why are the wicked raised from the dead? Haven't they been previously judged at this time? What is God's purpose in casting them into the Lake of fire? Most all believers have family members and close friends who we thought would be in the kingdom. Why do the righteous in the Holy City have to see people we love about to face their eternity in the fire?
As you pointed out, the word in Greek is ""basanisthesontai." Strong's NT 928. It is associated with NT 931, a "Touchstone." It is also related to the ancient word for "testing," This where I saw the full impact of Rev 20:10. Their torment is related to testing them. Jesus says in Rev 3:18, "Buy of Me gold tried in the fire."
In 1 Corinthians 3:10-14, Paul refers to this time of testing by fire. It will reveal "every man's work," as to the person's true character. And only precious metal will survive the fire. In ancient Greek, NT 931, "Touchstone" was a "Lydiam stone" used by assayers to determine the value of certain metals (gold and silver). As the assayer pressed the metal against the stone, it would leave a streak that determined its value. Luke 20:17, Jesus mentions that He is the "Stone" Israel rejected. The Geek word for stone is, "Lithos," or Lydiam, the stone used by assayers."
My question at this point was, "Why does God test the lost in Rev 20:10? He knows who are His and those that don't belong to Him. Therefore, the testing must be for the redeemed! The only scenario I see is that God wants the redeemed to know why their loved ones are not saved. He does not want the saved to raise the question of, "Will the possibility of sin ever occur again in the New Earth? Basically, this testing time demonstrates that the lost do not want to follow or worship Christ. CONTINUED...
"I AM, THAT I AM," If i had my Exhaustive Concordance I could try & tell you the Hebrew, Greek, etc. It may be significant that HE, GOD ALMIGHTY says Exodus 3:15,
Exodus 4:5, Genesis 26:24, John 8:39, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, Mark 12:26, Matthew 22:32, Luke 20:37, Acts 7:32,
Sister Melody, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
God is SPIRIT.
Christ is SPIRIT (God) with a (glorified) BODY.
SPIRIT is TRUTH (cannot be deceived).
SPIRIT is LIFE (cannot die).
WE are FLESH.
FLESH is against (anti) SPIRIT.
FLESH is against (anti) TRUTH.
FLESH is against (anti) LIFE.
Christ came as FLESH, Christ died; and with his death ALL FLESH DIED, Christ (through the power of SPIRIT was resurrected), when he was resurrected ALL FLESH was resurrected (most are dead in UNBELIEF (trespasses) not knowing TRUTH.
The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) IS DEATH.
The wages of GO AND SIN NO MORE (BELIEF) is LIFE and TRUTH (born of SPIRIT).
Those that come to know TRUTH (born again of the SPIRIT; which is TRUTH AND LIFE, the first death and first resurrection) will NEVER DIE they will leave this BODY of FLESH and be given the (glorified BODY of CHRIST).
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.
Christ (Spirit, Truth, Life) is IN YOU. You are the NEW HEAVEN.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven.....
Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the (temple, Christ is the temple) tabernacle of God is with (WITHIN) men..
Revelation 21:22... for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE of it.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU ....
1 Corinthians 3:16 ....ye are the temple (ONE IN CHRIST) of God (SPIRIT).
Truth (Good)(Spirit) overcomes deception (Evil) (Flesh).
Truth will make you a full brother to Christ. SPIRIT with a (glorified) BODY.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die ANY MORE (you died with Christ); for they are equal to the angels (MINISTERING SPIRITS), and are the children of God (Spirit, truth, life), being the children of (CHRIST'S) resurrection.
Revelation 14:13 Blessed are they which DIE IN THE LORD (Spirit, Truth, Life) from henceforth....
Yes, as you say, "he(Satan)is a created being. He creates chaos and destruction, but he cannot create man".
In fact, he is a USURPER; he - the Devil - crafitly replaced the nature of man formed by GOD by his evil and devilsh nature by usurpation.
For six thousand years Satan has been sustaining, and maintaining, his diabolical generations in this/his satanic world. But NOW his world will be DESTROYD by entire- Revelation 11:v.18-and the Kingdom of GOD will be established-Rev.11:v.15 combined with Luke 20:v.35-36.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth, JESUS said (Mat.5:v.5), by whom also GOD made the worlds. Hebrews 1:v.2
There are two kinds of man that were created by GOD: One is earthy, animal, even bestial or brut beast. Another is spiritual man, yeah, only this is really the man created in the image of GOD. Detail: Scriptures do not say GOD created "a man" as if was one, but many. Let us make man in OUR image ... many men. This work was reserved to realize in the sixth Day. Detail: One day with the Lord is as a thousand years- 2Peter 5:v.8.
You referred to John 10:v.9-10, and you said: "Adversary the thief, steal kill and destroy." Yes, All were destroyed and were lost. JESUS said He was sent specificaly to the lost sheep of Israel-Mt.15:24, but in John 10:v.16 He left clear the salvation was for the humankind. v.16 - And other sheep I have,which are not of this fold(the Gentiles): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
In my prior post for you I wrote: Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of the God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God,and doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,when He shalld it appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:2
If you see the Chronology and duration of biblical times, you will see or conclude that we are living in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ. Only now, in a moment very similar when GOD went to speak with Adam in Eden in the turn of Day, I mean, only now in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh, the man (men) will be made in the image of GOD. How will it be? JESUS explains in Luke 20:35-36.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
I enjoyed your message.Yes, EVERYTHING LITERAL has a parallel and is spiritually discerned, as you have said.The parables of our Lord JESUS are good examples, as you know.
Yes, was not made first which is spiritual,created in the likeness and image of Christ,but natural; in my vision this process remains for ever and ever, as said the wise:Ec.3:15 -That which hath been is now;and that which is to be hath already been;and GOD requireth that which is past.Paul apostle said:Rom.8:v.20-21:- 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity,not willingly,but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.Check it out in John 1:v.12-13.
By the way,John the Baptist said: John 3:v.31-32: -31 He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: He that cometh from above is above all. 32-And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;...
Now, in this END of the times, the process will be inverse, as said JESUS in Luke 20:v.35-36: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the next world - the Kingdom of GOD - Rev.11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Ph.3:v.20-21:
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Th. 4:v.16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,...17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Yes, Christ will come to His people firstly to them which are in the dust of the earth, in the sepulchres, as PROPHESIED ISAIAH: 26:v.19 to 21: 19 ... the earth shall cast out the dead. Aleluia!!! v.20 - reveals that the time is of GOD's wrath and He says to His people to enter "into their chambers, and shut the doors about them: and hiding theirself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. v.21 - the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
Really, "He will descend. With a shout. The voice of an archangel(Michael). The voice of command"; yes, ac cording Revelation 11:v.15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD (Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Yes, "He (the Lord) will descend. With a shout. The voice of an archangel. With the trumpet of God." The trumpet of GOD is a sound, it is a sound confirming everything that the men of God said, the prophets, the apostles, the angels, and especially what JESUS-GOD said.
Yes, "The trumpet blast as a signal and a summons", as said the prophet Joel:2:1-3: 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of CLOUDS and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is AS THE GARDEN OF EDEN before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
In the clouds, yes, in the clouds, that is the next celestial environment which is much higher than the one we're in right now, that will be the third heaven - Luke 20:v.35-36.
Sister Kimberly, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.
John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....
1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.
Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)
John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.
Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.
Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.
You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.
Revelation 4 - The Great and Wonderful Heavenly Cerimony
A comment about the Throne of God and the Great Celestial Ceremony to deliver the sealed book with seven seals to JESUS, and the opening of them. My concern with all readers is the manifestation of God's Truth. There is a very interesting detail about the sealed book:If nobody could even look at the book, how could any open the scroll and break its seven seals?
Well, the ascension of JESUS into heaven -the third heaven -happened after the ending of the 4th Day and beginning of the fifth Day, or around year 33AD. What did happen really after the ascension of JESUS to the heaven (the 3rd heaven), exactly in the beginning of the fifth Day?
ASCENSION OF JESUS-A RESERVED PLACE HAD BEEN PREPARED FOR HIM TO SIT-A THRONE WAS SET IN HEAVEN
Getting to the heaven, First He -JESUS- sit down at the right hand of the Father. The Father had prepared a Great Ceremony in Heaven. God's work had not finished here, God the Father had yet two more days of work to complete His works of six days.DETAIL:JESUS came in the end of the fourth Day, or around two thousand years ago, and He had said here:My Father works hitherto, I also work- John 5:v.17.Now, or, in the current time, time of Apocalypse, we can say God finished His works of six days, and has just entered in His rest as He had planned since the beginning.
GOD'S PLAN WAS TO DELIVER A SECRET BOOK SEALED WITH SEVEN SEALS TO JESUS-A GREAT HEAVENLY CEREMONY WAS PREPARED FOR THIS WONDERFUL EVENT
Revelation chap.4 is a description of the opening of the Great Ceremony in Heaven,actually the third Heaven, and the chap. 4 also describes the things that had inside the celestial environment, including the sealed book or secret God's book, and a multitude was there in the Great Heavenly Ceremony, that is the heavenly environment of the third heaven, which is also the heavenly environment of the Kingdom of God or of the next world- Luke 20:35-36.Check it out
8 And when he -the Lamb- had taken the book, the four beasts -living beings- and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:and we shall reign on the earth.- GOD's KINGDOM - Luke 20:35-36 and Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
24 ELDERS
Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4
They are the 24 messengers of the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning
before the throne, which are the SEVEN Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
(What are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.?
Sea refers to many many waters. Revelation 13:v.1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues
Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
No sea;
Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Brother Simon, may CHRIST IN US grace us with His wisdom and His understanding.
I agree, we can only be born again BY RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be Priests of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This happens before the second judgement in Revelation 20:11-13
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore...
Christ is telling the Sadducees; who did not believe in resurrection, that the ones APPOINTED TO DIE with him on his cross would never die again.
Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come; and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.
Psalms 102:20 ...to loose those APPOINTED TO DEATH
Luke 20:36 ....being the children of the resurrection.
1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD.....
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose HOUSE WE ARE...
John 5:22 For the father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son.
2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ....
We were RESURRECTED with Christ and Christ is dwelling IN US; therefore, Christ's THRONE is IN US and were are BEFORE the THRONE being JUDGED NOW by Christ (the word of God).
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed (flesh), but by incorruptible, by THE WORD (SPIRIT) of God, which LIVETH and ABIDETH forever. (you will never die again after you died ONCE with Christ).
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is APPOINTED unto man ONCE TO DIE (with Christ on the cross or later at the second death), but after this then the JUDGEMENT.
Hebrews 9:28 .....and unto them that look for him shall he appear a SECOND TIME (the first time was in the flesh; the second time in SPIRIT, you don't see him he is like a thief in the night) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
Darren, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.
I'm not sure you understand the kingdom of heaven.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.
Luke 20: 35-36 But they who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
(vs 36) Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Revelations symbolizes how you obtain that world and the judgement the saints will bring upon the earth.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written: this honour has all his saints.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
(vs 27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (circumcised in the heart), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Those in the kingdom of heaven are those who are going to rule over the earth symbolized in Revelation and explained in the prophets.
Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
Barbara, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. The traditions of man has distorted the true gospel. The traditions of man teaches heaven is a natural place with natural streets, natural buildings, natural walls and we exist much like we exist now; but the word of God teaches heaven is a person in a glorified body with no need for streets or houses or any thing existing in a natural state.
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he (Christ in the same glorified body he existed in as Jehovah in the old testament) that came down from heaven (and became flesh), even the Son of man which is in heaven (now back in the glorified body he had before).
Let's try to comprehend what is depicted as (spiritual) heaven (where the Spirit dwells).
1 Corinthians 3:17 Know ye not that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD dwelleth in you.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord (the Father), The heaven is my throne, and the earth (dust, flesh) is my footstool: where is the house that ye (Christ) build unto me? and where is the place of my (SPIRIT) rest?
Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord (Christ) build the house, they labour in vain .....
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a Son over his own house, whose house we are....
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame and am sit down with my Father in his throne.
John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that THEY also may be ONE in us.....
1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto....
1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a Moment....Death is swallowed up in victory.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men (we are dead in our trespasses) shall Live, TOGETHER WITH MY (CHRIST) DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....
Revelation 20:5 .....This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.
Luke 20:34-36 .....Being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
John 14:2 In my Fathers house are many mansions...
Hi Rodney, "Rodney you say the jews called out Jesus for blasphemy for him saying was the son of God and for the trintarians that's not good enough" are you suggesting that the jews was right? have you noticed they had no problem calling him son of David? was he David son? Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Perhaps they use son different in scripture than we do, We also loose a little in the English translation, but they got the message, He presented his deity,. John 10:30-33 (KJV) I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Believing in Jesus deity may not be a requirement for salvation, but once you're saved and begin to grow revelation through the spirit should reveal that to you. I believe we stunt our growth when we come to a conclusion about a matter and spend a life time searching the scripture to try to prove whether its right or wrong and ignore telling scriptures like John 1:1. Regardless it shouldn't cause hatred between the brothern if it does thats a greater issue. God bless be peaceful.
If you are in the First RESURRECTION you will NEVER see death, death has been destroyed.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE anymore........being the children of resurrection.
John 6:50 .... that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me SHALL NEVER DIE ....
Matthew 16:28 There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death .....
John 8:51 .....if a man keep my sayings, he shall never see death.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION....and shall reign with Christ a thousand years.
Rick, please read : Mark 12:27, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:14-15, Luke 9:60, Genesis 2:17,
Genesis 3:20,
John 3:3,5,6,
Numbers 23:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, Leviticus,
Nowhere, is that stated in Scripture. Colossians 2:8
Revelations 22:19,
didn't mean what they confessed. Also perhaps they were doing it just so no one would bother them
the point is continue to pray and believe no matter what. We STAND and stay faithful and we plant we
water but God gives the increase. I know of several people who went through all the ceremony so to
speak and all there actions dictate unbelief. That's on them God Knows We don't force the word we
speak the truth in Love.
Try not to let the unbelief of others affect your walk, or fly spiritually high like an eagle
and lovingly deal with the buzzards. God Bless
My life began to unravel. Everything that represented security to me was "taken away". I did not know why. I did more prescription drugs with alcohol. I thought a lot about suicide. Every morning I'd wake up to a voice that spoke "if you don't stop this, you'll leave your son without his parent. He was all I had! Things got worse. I prayed for help. To who? My son was all I had left. My home was full of spirits.
God had peeled me like an onion; Layer upon layer until all my defenses were removed.
Then the Lord came to me in a vision. I saw Jesus. I saw my sin. I was shown everything. I had only one thing. I was convinced fully God is real and alive. I took his hand and I was delivered from everything!
God honored those prayers said for me. He honored those who turned their plates upside down and fasted for someone they didn't even know. I wasn't even told about it until years later!
The life of all deluded, fakers, liars; are worth one day of violent faith, shaking the throne of God for the salvation of this man through prayers.
Don't give up. Get some church members, praying Grandmothers, to pray and fast; one day. Just pray for him to see in the mirror__ the truth behind his eyes staring back at him.
What you are fighting is a religious spirit. It's the intercessors that will destroy its works.
It was Jesus's love that brought you here today. Think of a wall with a hole in it. Standing in that gaping hole is what we do. Listen to Charles Capps, Authority of the Believer, on youtube. Make notes.
You no doubt have shared with him on this matter & whatever his response, you will just have to leave it, since baptism being done for the wrong reasons has no meaning & will fool no one. Your concern & prayer for him, with your Christian life & witness, may in time provoke him to conviction & taking the Lord seriously. So you must continue to pray for him according to the burden on your heart & Spirit's leading, & standing on the Word of God when Satan tries to intrude or discourage you. Stay strong & true to the Gospel, which is indeed "the Power of God (leading to) salvation" ( Romans 1:16). But in all things, exercise godly love, faith, patience & meekness before all ( 1 Timothy 6:11, as given to Timothy by Paul) & let God deal with all your family in His Own way. You may be the only light from God that they will ever see & He's placed you there at this time for that very reason. Be encouraged & blessed in your witness.
But Jesus was speaking to His disciples (both to the twelve & the larger following - Luke 20:45), of the much longer term when there will be much persecution & false arrests of those who followed Christ. Even though Jews have endured much suffering & death over the ages, Jesus promises to keep His followers then & those now who have repented & turned to Him in faith, in care & safety, that with patience & waiting they endure these hardships till He come.
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection of the dead (we are dead in our trespasses, sinful flesh) ....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore (they died the first death, their life for the life of Christ), for they are equal unto the angel; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST'S) own body.
The chosen are called to be priest, under their High Priest, Christ, in the kingdom on earth, when all other flesh has been resurrected, to judgement.
Jeremiah 51:19-23
Isaiah 65:12-17
Isaiah 66:18-24
The above scriptures, and others not listed, is the white throne judgement.
Luke 24:9 Behold my hands and my feet, that it (glorified flesh) IS I MYSELF: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as you see me have.
1 Corinthians 15:39-41 ALL FLESH is not the SAME FLESH .....one celestial and one terrestrial .....
This is hard to wrap our minds around, Christ has a body that can exist IN MAN, or stand in the presents of man.
It's even harder to wrap our minds around the fact that we ALSO are going to have this SAME BODY.
This is what the thousand year reign with Christ is all about. The thousand years are not LITERALLY ONE THOUSAND YEARS, but one day (DAY OF THE LORD which has been happening now for two thousand years) is as a thousand years and a thousand years as on day ( 2 Peter 3:8).
Matthew 20:1-16 Christ went out at the first of the day (of the Lord) to call workers to his vineyard.
This would apply to all those that were apostles and received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
When they departed their terrestrial bodies they were given celestial bodies and they are still working in God's vineyard ( Revelation 10:11)( John 1:51)( Genesis 28:12).
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels ...
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Luke 20:36 ...neither can the die anymore, for they are equal to the angels ...
For the last two thousand years (one day, God has been calling workers to work in God's vineyard vineyard; first in a terrestrial body and then in a celestial body.
You are a worker NOW in a terrestrial body; when you DEPART your terrestrial body, you will NEVER SEE DEATH, but CONTINUE being a worker in your CELESTIAL BODY. ( Revelation 20:6)
In reading your past comments I know you think you are going to lay in the grave until the resurrection of the dead.
God's word says those born again (IN CHRIST, IN the book of LIFE) will never see death. You LIFE is IN CHRIST, Christ is IMMORTALITY.
You were RAISE with CHRIST (this is the first resurrection)
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he (you Sacha) that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION; on such the second death hath no power, but they (you Sacha) shall be priests of God, and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Luke 20:35 But they (you Sacha) which shall BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY (you Sacha are CHOSEN) to obtain that world (the same way and glory Christ always had with the Father in that world) and the resurrection (you Sacha and Christ died together and were raise together, Sacha in Christ and Christ in Sacha, made ONE) from the dead .....
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (you Sacha) DIE anymore: for they (you Sacha) are EQUAL to the angels (Christ is the angel of God); and are the children of God, being the children of the (you Sacha and Christ) RESURRECTION.
God bless you!
As you pointed out, the word in Greek is ""basanisthesontai." Strong's NT 928. It is associated with NT 931, a "Touchstone." It is also related to the ancient word for "testing," This where I saw the full impact of Rev 20:10. Their torment is related to testing them. Jesus says in Rev 3:18, "Buy of Me gold tried in the fire."
In 1 Corinthians 3:10-14, Paul refers to this time of testing by fire. It will reveal "every man's work," as to the person's true character. And only precious metal will survive the fire. In ancient Greek, NT 931, "Touchstone" was a "Lydiam stone" used by assayers to determine the value of certain metals (gold and silver). As the assayer pressed the metal against the stone, it would leave a streak that determined its value. Luke 20:17, Jesus mentions that He is the "Stone" Israel rejected. The Geek word for stone is, "Lithos," or Lydiam, the stone used by assayers."
My question at this point was, "Why does God test the lost in Rev 20:10? He knows who are His and those that don't belong to Him. Therefore, the testing must be for the redeemed! The only scenario I see is that God wants the redeemed to know why their loved ones are not saved. He does not want the saved to raise the question of, "Will the possibility of sin ever occur again in the New Earth? Basically, this testing time demonstrates that the lost do not want to follow or worship Christ. CONTINUED...
Exodus 4:5, Genesis 26:24, John 8:39, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, Mark 12:26, Matthew 22:32, Luke 20:37, Acts 7:32,
Galatians 3:6,
God is SPIRIT.
Christ is SPIRIT (God) with a (glorified) BODY.
SPIRIT is TRUTH (cannot be deceived).
SPIRIT is LIFE (cannot die).
WE are FLESH.
FLESH is against (anti) SPIRIT.
FLESH is against (anti) TRUTH.
FLESH is against (anti) LIFE.
Christ came as FLESH, Christ died; and with his death ALL FLESH DIED, Christ (through the power of SPIRIT was resurrected), when he was resurrected ALL FLESH was resurrected (most are dead in UNBELIEF (trespasses) not knowing TRUTH.
The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) IS DEATH.
The wages of GO AND SIN NO MORE (BELIEF) is LIFE and TRUTH (born of SPIRIT).
Those that come to know TRUTH (born again of the SPIRIT; which is TRUTH AND LIFE, the first death and first resurrection) will NEVER DIE they will leave this BODY of FLESH and be given the (glorified BODY of CHRIST).
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.
Christ (Spirit, Truth, Life) is IN YOU. You are the NEW HEAVEN.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven.....
Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the (temple, Christ is the temple) tabernacle of God is with (WITHIN) men..
Revelation 21:22... for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE of it.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU ....
1 Corinthians 3:16 ....ye are the temple (ONE IN CHRIST) of God (SPIRIT).
Truth (Good)(Spirit) overcomes deception (Evil) (Flesh).
Truth will make you a full brother to Christ. SPIRIT with a (glorified) BODY.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die ANY MORE (you died with Christ); for they are equal to the angels (MINISTERING SPIRITS), and are the children of God (Spirit, truth, life), being the children of (CHRIST'S) resurrection.
Revelation 14:13 Blessed are they which DIE IN THE LORD (Spirit, Truth, Life) from henceforth....
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Yes, as you say, "he(Satan)is a created being. He creates chaos and destruction, but he cannot create man".
In fact, he is a USURPER; he - the Devil - crafitly replaced the nature of man formed by GOD by his evil and devilsh nature by usurpation.
For six thousand years Satan has been sustaining, and maintaining, his diabolical generations in this/his satanic world. But NOW his world will be DESTROYD by entire- Revelation 11:v.18-and the Kingdom of GOD will be established-Rev.11:v.15 combined with Luke 20:v.35-36.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth, JESUS said (Mat.5:v.5), by whom also GOD made the worlds. Hebrews 1:v.2
Greetings
In fact the matter is profound.
There are two kinds of man that were created by GOD: One is earthy, animal, even bestial or brut beast. Another is spiritual man, yeah, only this is really the man created in the image of GOD. Detail: Scriptures do not say GOD created "a man" as if was one, but many. Let us make man in OUR image ... many men. This work was reserved to realize in the sixth Day. Detail: One day with the Lord is as a thousand years- 2Peter 5:v.8.
You referred to John 10:v.9-10, and you said: "Adversary the thief, steal kill and destroy." Yes, All were destroyed and were lost. JESUS said He was sent specificaly to the lost sheep of Israel-Mt.15:24, but in John 10:v.16 He left clear the salvation was for the humankind. v.16 - And other sheep I have,which are not of this fold(the Gentiles): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
In my prior post for you I wrote: Two thousand years ago, the Word was made flesh-JESUS- and He came to create a new creature in GOD, the Father, through the new birth and saving what had been lost through Satan's usurpation of the God's creation; In fact, without JESUS, was not any thing made that was made. John the apostle said: Now are we the sons of God,and doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,when He shalld it appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is- 1John 3:2
If you see the Chronology and duration of biblical times, you will see or conclude that we are living in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh Day, that is the seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ. Only now, in a moment very similar when GOD went to speak with Adam in Eden in the turn of Day, I mean, only now in the turn of the sixth Day to the seventh, the man (men) will be made in the image of GOD. How will it be? JESUS explains in Luke 20:35-36.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
Greetings in Christ JESUS
I enjoyed your message.Yes, EVERYTHING LITERAL has a parallel and is spiritually discerned, as you have said.The parables of our Lord JESUS are good examples, as you know.
Yes, was not made first which is spiritual,created in the likeness and image of Christ,but natural; in my vision this process remains for ever and ever, as said the wise:Ec.3:15 -That which hath been is now;and that which is to be hath already been;and GOD requireth that which is past.Paul apostle said:Rom.8:v.20-21:- 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity,not willingly,but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.Check it out in John 1:v.12-13.
By the way,John the Baptist said: John 3:v.31-32: -31 He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: He that cometh from above is above all. 32-And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth;...
Now, in this END of the times, the process will be inverse, as said JESUS in Luke 20:v.35-36: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (the next world - the Kingdom of GOD - Rev.11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Ph.3:v.20-21:
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Th. 4:v.16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,...17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Yes, Christ will come to His people firstly to them which are in the dust of the earth, in the sepulchres, as PROPHESIED ISAIAH: 26:v.19 to 21: 19 ... the earth shall cast out the dead. Aleluia!!! v.20 - reveals that the time is of GOD's wrath and He says to His people to enter "into their chambers, and shut the doors about them: and hiding theirself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. v.21 - the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
Really, "He will descend. With a shout. The voice of an archangel(Michael). The voice of command"; yes, ac cording Revelation 11:v.15 - The kingdoms of THIS WORLD (Devil's world) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Yes, "He (the Lord) will descend. With a shout. The voice of an archangel. With the trumpet of God." The trumpet of GOD is a sound, it is a sound confirming everything that the men of God said, the prophets, the apostles, the angels, and especially what JESUS-GOD said.
Yes, "The trumpet blast as a signal and a summons", as said the prophet Joel:2:1-3: 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of CLOUDS and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is AS THE GARDEN OF EDEN before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
In the clouds, yes, in the clouds, that is the next celestial environment which is much higher than the one we're in right now, that will be the third heaven - Luke 20:v.35-36.
Get ready
Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.
John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.
John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....
1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.
Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)
John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.
Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.
Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.
You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.
Revelation 4 - The Great and Wonderful Heavenly Cerimony
A comment about the Throne of God and the Great Celestial Ceremony to deliver the sealed book with seven seals to JESUS, and the opening of them. My concern with all readers is the manifestation of God's Truth. There is a very interesting detail about the sealed book:If nobody could even look at the book, how could any open the scroll and break its seven seals?
Well, the ascension of JESUS into heaven -the third heaven -happened after the ending of the 4th Day and beginning of the fifth Day, or around year 33AD. What did happen really after the ascension of JESUS to the heaven (the 3rd heaven), exactly in the beginning of the fifth Day?
ASCENSION OF JESUS-A RESERVED PLACE HAD BEEN PREPARED FOR HIM TO SIT-A THRONE WAS SET IN HEAVEN
Getting to the heaven, First He -JESUS- sit down at the right hand of the Father. The Father had prepared a Great Ceremony in Heaven. God's work had not finished here, God the Father had yet two more days of work to complete His works of six days.DETAIL:JESUS came in the end of the fourth Day, or around two thousand years ago, and He had said here:My Father works hitherto, I also work- John 5:v.17.Now, or, in the current time, time of Apocalypse, we can say God finished His works of six days, and has just entered in His rest as He had planned since the beginning.
GOD'S PLAN WAS TO DELIVER A SECRET BOOK SEALED WITH SEVEN SEALS TO JESUS-A GREAT HEAVENLY CEREMONY WAS PREPARED FOR THIS WONDERFUL EVENT
Revelation chap.4 is a description of the opening of the Great Ceremony in Heaven,actually the third Heaven, and the chap. 4 also describes the things that had inside the celestial environment, including the sealed book or secret God's book, and a multitude was there in the Great Heavenly Ceremony, that is the heavenly environment of the third heaven, which is also the heavenly environment of the Kingdom of God or of the next world- Luke 20:35-36.Check it out
8 And when he -the Lamb- had taken the book, the four beasts -living beings- and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:and we shall reign on the earth.- GOD's KINGDOM - Luke 20:35-36 and Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
24 ELDERS
Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4
They are the 24 messengers of the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning
before the throne, which are the SEVEN Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
(What are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.?
Jude 1:v. 6-7 reveals that: 6 "the angels which kept not their first estate (the nature of angels), but left
their own habitation (but rebelled), ... 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Regarding to the angels, GOD hath reserved them in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment
of this Great Day - the Lord's Day, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the
Millennium of Christ.
Now, in the time of restoration of all things- Acts 3:v.18 to26-the process will be inverse, from the human
or animal nature to the nature of angels, as JESUS said- Luke 20:v.35-36:
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world (the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-
Revelation 11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God,
being the children of the resurrection.
Philippians 3:v.20-21 -
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the
working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 Corinthians 15:v.53-54
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues
Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
No sea;
Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
I agree, we can only be born again BY RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be Priests of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This happens before the second judgement in Revelation 20:11-13
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore...
Christ is telling the Sadducees; who did not believe in resurrection, that the ones APPOINTED TO DIE with him on his cross would never die again.
Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come; and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.
Psalms 102:20 ...to loose those APPOINTED TO DEATH
Luke 20:36 ....being the children of the resurrection.
1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD.....
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose HOUSE WE ARE...
John 5:22 For the father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son.
2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ....
We were RESURRECTED with Christ and Christ is dwelling IN US; therefore, Christ's THRONE is IN US and were are BEFORE the THRONE being JUDGED NOW by Christ (the word of God).
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed (flesh), but by incorruptible, by THE WORD (SPIRIT) of God, which LIVETH and ABIDETH forever. (you will never die again after you died ONCE with Christ).
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is APPOINTED unto man ONCE TO DIE (with Christ on the cross or later at the second death), but after this then the JUDGEMENT.
Hebrews 9:28 .....and unto them that look for him shall he appear a SECOND TIME (the first time was in the flesh; the second time in SPIRIT, you don't see him he is like a thief in the night) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
I'm not sure you understand the kingdom of heaven.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.
Luke 20: 35-36 But they who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
(vs 36) Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Revelations symbolizes how you obtain that world and the judgement the saints will bring upon the earth.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written: this honour has all his saints.
Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
(vs 27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.
Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (circumcised in the heart), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Those in the kingdom of heaven are those who are going to rule over the earth symbolized in Revelation and explained in the prophets.
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.
Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......
This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).
(40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he (Christ in the same glorified body he existed in as Jehovah in the old testament) that came down from heaven (and became flesh), even the Son of man which is in heaven (now back in the glorified body he had before).
Let's try to comprehend what is depicted as (spiritual) heaven (where the Spirit dwells).
1 Corinthians 3:17 Know ye not that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD dwelleth in you.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord (the Father), The heaven is my throne, and the earth (dust, flesh) is my footstool: where is the house that ye (Christ) build unto me? and where is the place of my (SPIRIT) rest?
Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord (Christ) build the house, they labour in vain .....
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a Son over his own house, whose house we are....
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame and am sit down with my Father in his throne.
John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that THEY also may be ONE in us.....
1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto....
1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a Moment....Death is swallowed up in victory.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men (we are dead in our trespasses) shall Live, TOGETHER WITH MY (CHRIST) DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....
Revelation 20:5 .....This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.
Luke 20:34-36 .....Being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.
John 14:2 In my Fathers house are many mansions...
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Perhaps they use son different in scripture than we do, We also loose a little in the English translation, but they got the message, He presented his deity,. John 10:30-33 (KJV) I and my Father are one.
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Believing in Jesus deity may not be a requirement for salvation, but once you're saved and begin to grow revelation through the spirit should reveal that to you. I believe we stunt our growth when we come to a conclusion about a matter and spend a life time searching the scripture to try to prove whether its right or wrong and ignore telling scriptures like John 1:1. Regardless it shouldn't cause hatred between the brothern if it does thats a greater issue. God bless be peaceful.