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Bruce, Jesus was speaking in the earlier verses about His coming again (v 27) after a time of great suffering. These verses had a partial fulfilment at the coming of Emporer Titus in AD 70 to destroy Jerusalem & the Temple. The people at that time would have thought that this was fulfilment of Jesus' words, but the full extent of those words haven't been realized as yet. They must point to another future event i.e. when Jesus comes again.

So when Jesus says "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.", he tells his disciples to be alert & ready for that great event. "To pray always" doesn't imply that all His followers must constantly be in a state of kneeling prayer (or nothing would ever get done). I understand that we are to, in our watchfulness, be also in prayerfulness, as being mindful of spiritual matters & not getting caught up with the worldly. The very act of praying is one's turning of attention from off ourselves & the world & onto the Lord Who is our Hope & Life. Paul used the same thought in 1 Thes 5:17, to "pray without ceasing". Again, that our attitude is one of utter dependence on the Lord & our readiness to call upon Him as our first resort, rather than to other people & things.

So, "how do you do this practically?" As you have reason to call upon the Lord wherever you are; as your spirit goes out to someone in need, or to those ministering the Word in difficult situations; as you are sharing the Word with another & you seek the Spirit's help in doing so; and your desire to keep short accounts with the Lord that you won't be ashamed at His Coming. These are just a few thoughts.

What does Jesus intend for me in Luke 21:36. How do I pray "always," practically?

This is the barley harvest after the first fruits are sealed the faithful church in Revelation 3:10 and the church that is watching and praying they are worthy to escape these things in Luke 21:36 it is the rapture but not like you have been taught it's not the trumpet sounding and the dead in Christ rising in 2 thess that happens at wheat harvest which is at the last trumpet the 7th trumpet in Revelation which the barley wheat and first fruits will also be apart of the grape harvest comes later with those who didn't take the mark are raised to life again to rule and reign with us a 1000 years there are 3 harvests after the first fruits 144000 are sealed so it's the rapture of the faithful church that is watching and worthy to escape the 7 trumpets it's the barley harvest

Are aloud to test a man or judge a man's faith

Modern day Jews weren't around when the bible was written so I'm unable to give a reference in scripture to modern day Jews. The bible does refer to a specific race of people that God chose to be His people. These are Jews. They are His chosen people, and they are also called His elect. I take it you don't agree with that?

From what I understand, God made a promise to His people in the Old Testament. The Jews are a protected race of people. They will never be eliminated because they are under God's protection. When Jesus comes at His second coming, every Jew alive will be saved.

I do agree with you that claiming to be a Jew or Christian does not make it true. That's seems pretty elementary. And I do know about the Jews having a synagogue in Smyrna, but they were not believers.

What I don't agree with is that ALL Jews deny Jesus. That simply is not true! If that's what you truly believe, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. And also, if they believed in Jesus, it still wouldn't make them a Christian. Unless a person has been born of God's Spirit, that person has an illegitimate claim at being a child of God, whether they be Jew or Gentile. Also, which synagogue should one call to ask if ALL Jews deny Jesus? My guess is that any Jew, Orthodox or Messianic, would tell you that there are some Jews who do not deny Jesus.

IF a Jew believes in Jesus he ceases to be a Jew and becomes a Christian.

Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes: Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

with the music of your lyres,

under you a mattress of maggots,

over you a blanket of worms.'

(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

How did you come to be cut to the ground,

conqueror of nations?

13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

I will raise my throne above God's stars.

I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

far away in the north.

14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

I will make myself like the Most High.'

So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.

Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.

Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in

Bob,

Does not the Bible refer to the Jews as God's chosen people, and His elect. Where can I find that ALL Jews are antichrist? God made a promise to the nation Israel (Jews). If they are all antichrist, wouldn't that negate the promise? You have recommended calling a synagogue for answers. If I were to call a synagogue, should I ask to speak to an Orthodox Jew, or a Messianic Jew?

Jews of every country where their family fled to are moving back to Israel. Have been a couple of years. Lots of them are returning as Christians.

They are sharing their faith in Jesus their Messiah. Do you ever watch 700 Club news?

They are happy, excited, spirit filled.

Please show me where it is okay for US to damn anyone to hell??

We're suppose to make them desirous of the love of Jesus, because of the love we have for the brethren. What is to envy if they get spit on, yelled at, threatened with death and burned down churches!?

I didn't get to go to college like you and Chris. I use study helps, but it takes time to do the research, for me. I've been in the "college" of the HOLY SPIRIT for 35 years. I'm grateful for it too. I learn things useful to teach the lost, the backsliders, the clueless. People respond to Love. Like I've said before; if God can't find a disciple to send to the lost...He'll use a donkey.

God knows what we need to get and stay saved. He gave me love every time. All my drunken friends left me. I asked for new friends and a huge wave of Christians flooded my life! Street witnessing was a blast. I'd get home exhausted, but I'd stay up and pray for the seed I'd sown. Every single time I needed help and asked, I got what I needed (not wanted).

You can't convince me that God does not have a plan for Jews, Israel, Catholics, or for the whole world. We don't get to condemn them for God. You can wipe the dust off your shoes, but that is it.

I've seen those passages where the Lord promised to deal with them personally. That's His fight. He didn't tell us to "go ye and kick the pants off them ourselves". They will know Him through us, by the love we show the brethren & sisters. God is no respecter of persons. We are to silence from our mouthes: judgment, predjudice and presuppositions. The Holy Spirit has never told me to shout or say WOE to people! Teach the sheep & carry the baby lambs (in prayer). Amen

Romans 11:25-32



For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Praise GOD who is rich in His Mercy and His Grace for all of us. Maybe the key lies with "Patience" for all not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to faith in JESUS also as written above thru our mercy.

Muslims honor Jesus as a sinless prophet and that is the end of it. Jews are antichrist by Bible definition

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

Mishael,

I want to also share this with you. These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.

1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.

2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.

3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.

4. Catch this one: The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.

5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.

6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.

7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.

Compare this to prophecy in Matthew Chapter 25. So Powerful!

God keeps the time from us for a reason. We know He's coming, and we're to be ready. But if we knew the date, many would say "I've got plenty of time so I'll just "live it up" for a while. You and I, and all those who belong to Him, we are always watching, and we are always ready because His Spirit is in us, and His Spirit is ready.

I believe we're close. I read some accounts a few years back of how close it is. Did you know that the Jews right now are ready to perform sacrifices in the temple area? The temple hasn't been built yet, but they don't need it. Back in Nehemiah's day, all they did was lay the foundation before they started performing the sacrifices. According to God, that's official. You can build everything else later.

They have already anointed the four corners of the temple area. And it wasn't until the mid-1990's that there were carnivorous birds in the area of Israel. There were none whatsoever before then. The birds are going to come and eat the flesh of those who die in the battle of Armageddon. And that couldn't have happened before the mid-90's.

Also, there's a special die they use for the blue color in the priestly garment. I don't remember the name of it, but it comes from some type of sea creature that only comes ashore every 70 years. It came ashore in the late 90's. So they have the priestly garment's ready and they have already anointed the four corners. Plus they already have an altar set up.

Even though the antichrist might come in and say I am going to help you build your temple, he means the rest of it. He's going to help the Jews restart their sacrificing. And right in the middle of the tribulation period, he's going to step in and put his image in the holy of holies and say everybody must worship him.

Jesus told the Jews to flee when they see that happen because there's going to be great tribulation like the world has never seen. The church doesn't have to flee. The church will already be gone (Raptured) before then.

That is right: MANY NATIONS. Abraham had Isaac ... and Ishmael. Israel is one nation and>

Genesis 17: 18-21

Ishmael was born in Gods permissive will.

God blessed him

Will make him fruitful

Will multiply him exceedingly:

Twelve princes shall he beget

I will make him a great nation

That explains a lot I think, but read also Genesis 18: 18-19 There is a note to read: Gen 12:3, 22:28, psalm 72:17, Acts 3:25, Gal. 3:8-9, 16, 18

Isaac gets Israel (all the land of Canaan). I'd have to look at maps later.

There is great resentment in Israel right now. Palestinians want the land back pure & simple. They want everything that was Destroyed to be rebuilt, infrastructure and full access to Jerusalem. They want everything that the war of 1967 gained!!! It's mind boggling. Israel gets to be a state but loses what they fought for independence to regain.

This is the engine that is hurrying the earth to conclusion. It's partly why we are commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. God is NOT going to rescind the covenant with Abraham.

One point about the Antichrist is found in Daniel 11:37....neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard ANY god: for he shall magnify himself. [a note refers to Isaiah 14:13 here]

Bottom line is that Antichrist is most likely descended from Ishmael. But he has no regard for his heritage.

He's moving under the radar but if enough people read Jerusalem Post dot com ?? We may see him in a crowd with a smirk.

The prophesies are about the Covenant; the land God has given to Israel through Isaac.

There are many people's that are returning that believe Jesus is the Messiah; they're happy about it; most likely have churches; evangelize...

How can you despise that? Israel is the apple of Gods eye. He rejects orthodox Torah carrying boneheads that will not receive His son. He is turning up the pressure every day. God has a plan! Quit railing and you will see.

I appreciate your kindness. There's so many scriptures that point at the rapture but no date. Closest thing I've found is following Israeli news about the 2-state thing and about their need to build new homes. I know the Land covenant is a sure deal. I just watch. I keep a finger on the Pulse earthquakes every day. There's so much daily virus news that no one is reporting the big ones.

Mishael - God himself has to bring ISRAEL to the land, not the godless antichrist United Nations, whose printer used to be called Lucifer Publishing and now is Lucis publishing.

Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY NATIONS have I made thee.

If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, then where are all these MANY "jewish nations".

There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

Besides Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe does not equal many

Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Israel and Judah had wars and different kings with different capitols. Samaria was capitol of Israel.

Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Does this mean that those in Christ ARE Abraham's seed?

Micah 3:10 - They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.

Thanks for sharing this interesting post. It looks like the verses you are sharing are referring to the Mid-Tribulation time frame, the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year tribulation period known as the Great Tribulation. I see this as the time God will spare His elect people, the Jews, from the events during those last 3-1/2 years of His wrath being poured out. Since there are 144,000 Jews who are sealed during the first 3-1/2 years, God is going to spare them from having to endure the final 3-1/2 years of His wrath, or "Shorten those days for them." You do make a great point that we cannot agree on the timing of the rapture, whether it is Pre/Mid/or Post Trib. That's been one of the most heated debates for quite some time. Again, thanks for sharing this.

John the Baptist, baptized Jesus in water.

Why should this be so heavily disputed? It is an act of obedience (ie. if it was good enough for Jesus it's good for me too)

When you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior(born again), you are Sealed by the Holy Spirit; baptized in the Spirit. He is so gentle that if you aren't sure about His gifts (can I say it? Tongues) you don't have to say anything; He already knows it. Most important HE IS YOUR TEACHER. He can't teach you very much if you do not study the Bible for yourself!!! How do you feel when you have to spoon feed baby food, year after year. Jesus wants us to rely heavily on Him. Receive the Holy Spirit, His Gifts, His Ministry, everything.

One of the Psalms is totally about Jesus. Maybe someone here can remind me which one? All I know is that there are 150 Psalms. Psalm 91 is a real keeper. Psalm 51 is for repentance (I use it a lot)

Goodnight beloveds

I'm just going to throw this in the comments about the time of the Rapture.

This may be why we are told to be Looking for Jesus 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Matthew 24:22 says...and except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:20 says basically the same thing.

That's why churches are not able to agree. And that's why I believe that's why Peter said what he did. Jesus said for us to keep our lamps filled with oil. Be ready now!

It's not going to be until the two State solution for Israel ends up tossed out. The land is DEEDED to Israel and I don't think God is going to allow that to happen. Ya gotta read all those OT covenants. The land is needed for The Return: which is happening now.

JerusalemPost dotcom

Wow it is like revelations and Luke are all coming together in our lifetime,praise God and Jesus to send the Holy Spirit to all believers to help them through this.The Wonderful and terrible day of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to come back and seperate the wheat from the tares.To put satan in his place.To bring peace that goes beyond understanding to a troubled world.

The words of God can not void,because this year (2020) has fulfill the word of God according to the scripture let watch and pray

Matthew 24:7 speaks of pestilence in divers ( of different kinds) places. Luke 21:11 also speaks about the same. However, according to Luke 21:12 says that before the pestilence comes the Disciples of Christ will be persecuted. Matthew 24:9 also says this but after 24:7 (). I don't see this as a sign of end times Could be wrong.

Marilyn, the word "generation" has a couple of usages in Scripture. As in the book of Genesis & Mathew 1:17 for example, it clearly applies to a timeline or family line. In other cases, Generation, can apply to people in general over any period of time (e.g. Luke 21:32, Acts 2:40, 1 Pet 2:9). I realize it gets confusing, but Scripture needs to be in its context: who is the writer writing about, was it an event taking place at that time, or was it referencing people then & in the future You are right, many in today's generation have turned their face from God & His Gift of Salvation. We must pray especially for those in our families who have heard the Gospel - that Light will shine to them.

There are Scripture references to this which are general warnings. The first one we cite is: Ephesians 5:18 "Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit". Apostle Paul warns of high consumption of alcohol which leads to loss of self control & sin, but rather to be filled (drunk) with God's Spirit. A believer filled with the Holy Spirit is truly a joy to be near rather than one who is inebriated. Other references: Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, 1 Corinthians 5:11, 6:10, Ephesians 5:18, Genesis 9:21, 19:30-36, Proverbs 20:1, 23:20,30,31, are some for you to look at. So, alcohol is not prohibited per se , but warnings are given which should alert us to its use/results.

Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."rnThe promises were made ONLY to Abrahams SEED, therefore those "Greeks" had to be Israelites!! No other way around it.rnProof: Romans 9:3 " For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my BRETHREN, my KINSMEN according to the FLESH:rnrn4 Who are ISRAELITES; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the PROMISES;"rnTHE PROMISES WAS MADE TO THE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM ONLY..AND EVERYTHING ELSE PERTAINS TO REAL ISRAELITES..NOT THOSE IN ISRAEL TODAY. Christ said His ppl would go into slavery. Luke 21:24

Please go read it again. I had to point that out to someone recently, and he was shocked that he never knew/realized that the Samaritans WERE Israelites!! The Northern Kingdom(9 tribes) were called "Outcasts" and "Gentiles" ALSO, because they were living LIKE the actual Gentiles. Proof in in Isaiah 11:12. So please go read it again. Every single thing in the Bible is about the REAL Israelites, every parable, story,etc. And im not talking about the fake Jew-ish people in Israel today, because Christ Himself told us that His people, the Israelites would be "LED INTO CAPTIVITY"(SLAVERY) and that ANOTHER nation will take over Jerusalem "UNTIL the times of the gentiles be fulfilled." Luke 21:24

Watch and pray for he shall come like a thief in the night therefore have your lamp trim

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.... NOTE: In 2020 the whole world /all mankind are scratching both their head and bottom side at the same time because where applicable, that mention above is either happening or about to happen. Nevertheless through John 3:16-21 we have verse 36 above.

This could have been the actual state of situations at that time. It is literal instruction to cry to God for help, in these ways. To cry out to God for your children. It is also be prophetic for times past & future. Matthew 24:7 , Mark 13:8 , Luke 21:11 , Revelation 18:8

The FIRST thing to note in Verse 1, is that this epistlebwas NOT addressed to everyone in the world, but to the 12 scattered tribes of Israel, scattered all over the world, through SLAVERY(CAPTIVITY). Now THIS SHOULD give you an idea of WHO these ppl are, because the Real Jews/Israelites were taken out of the land, sent off into CAPTIVITY for their sins, as Christ Himself said in Luke 21:24..proving those living in Israel today, CANT be the real Jews..but rather jew-ish!!
This WHY James said "My Brethren" which literally mean "My BROTHERS" because James is also an Israelite!
If u bypass this first 2 verses without acknowledging this, then u would think this epistle was for everyone. Its not!

more than 1 shepherd kept flocks as herds.The porter is the one that controlled the gate, that kept all the herds when they were not in the field.The shepherd comes for His sheep.New sheep can get caught in the middle when its time to leave the herd, and miss leaving with there shepherd.After this happens a few times,the wise sheep learn, they will not get caught without Him. So far now,the shepherd is called the door. It is very important that you know that He is the door. Don't get lost in the herd?Imagine what it would be like getting lost in the darkness of the herd without your shepherd! Christ is the door. Remember the parable of the 10 virgins? LUKE 21:28 2/12/2020