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Hey Stewart, Sorry for any confusion. If you study from Matthew 21-28, Mark 11-15 Luke 19-22 John12-13 This covers after Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when he was crucified. You can study and decide for yourself what day Jesus was crucified. Remember a Jewish day starts and ends at sundown. Here is a few verses may help. Read Luke 22:15-16 and John 18:28. One thought if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday the next day would be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, that would be a holy day and they could have gone to the tomb on Friday.

The day Jesus was crucified is a discussion that should not cause division or confusion so, let the Spirit lead you and the scriptures interpret the scriptures for yourself, what we do is done unto the Lord.

God bless, Ron

Brothers Jesse and Bob, I believe you are wrong concerning this matter. Here's why.

1. Jesus supersedes anything from the Old Testament.

2. Jesus in Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. What else does Chapter 22 say concerning purchasing a sword? Luke 22:8 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Who goes to war with 2 swords? No, the purpose of buying the swords was to fulfill Mark 14:47 = And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. And Luke 22:49-51 = When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. They needed the two swords to fulfill the other verses.

3. I'd also like to point out Matthew 26:52 = Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The time is quickly coming where this is going to be a serious issue for Christians. You will be asked to decide between your faith and the death of your family. You must choose your faith. Jesus even said so - Matthew 10:37 =

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. This is where the road narrows and many Christians will fail because they are unprepared.

Revelation 13:10 ... he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword ...

Perhaps someone can tell me when Jesus advocated violence. Except for the money changers in the temple, you can't. You can't because it never happened. You see, Jesus was a pacifist.

peter's denial was not at all like the treachery of judas because when christ looked at him at the cock crow he quickly repented as shown by his look of remorse and received grace and this is proven also by christ's foreknowledge and his prayer for peter not to lose faith.

in response to america and biden comment i refer the readers to read the tanakh on is. chapter 18. thehebrews in new york in 1917 translated the hebrew in such a way we can see that america will not lose its blessing for america will bring a present to god which will be the jews at the time the earthly kingdom comes after the tribulation. the kjv says the same but harder to understand. somalia a sea faring nation sends ambassadors to america; the u.n. is at same latitude as somalia; america remains undefeated though largely destroyed. it is made up of tall and glossy people; people who are slick looking like a glossy magazine and is the only nation in the world of significant size divided by so many rivers.

Hi Paul,

I think it's misleading when we think of God as having a presence like us. In those verses you place Jesus sitting beside God and there you have the son sitting beside the Father. But I don't think that's what those verses is saying. Here's an example.

Psalms 16:8.I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Now do you vision God sitting down beside David ? are is David referring to him as the power in which he shall not be moved?

Here's another example of him being the power.

Luke 22:69. Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

The right hand/power is an attribute in which he performs within the God head. Here's some examples.

Exodus 15:6. Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

Isaiah 41:10. Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Romans 8:34. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Isaiah 48:13. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

This is just a few of many verses in which you see

He makes intercession from his right hand.

He makes us righteousness from his right hand.

His power is his right hand.

He judges from the right hand.

And as Isaiah 48:13 says along with the volume of the book

He created the world with his right hand.

So those verses proves He's God!! That why in Revelation 1:8 he's called the Almighty!!

Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

What was the reference of the sword for a cloak and later said two swords were enough

"you won't see God with his son standing next to him".

Luke 22:69; Hebrews 1:13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; Acts 7:56; Romans 8:34; 1 Peter 3:22; etc.

Hi Lou, I grew up protestant so I'm not too familiar with RC tradition of communion or if there is a difference, but for me as I'm walking up for communion (pre covid) I look at the cross and say a little prayer of thanks to Jesus and for his sacrifice on the cross for my salvation. The actual act of going up and accepting the bread and wine in communion, is merely a public acknowledgement that you believe (faith) in the salvation of the cross and all that it stands for. As in Luke chapter 22 Jesus states that as you eat the bread or drink the wine that you do this in remembrance of Him. I also think that you answered your own question in that by grace through faith and prayer, we do seek forgiveness with God the Father through Christ Jesus. Throughout the NT some of Jesus and his apostles main teachings are faith (believe), forgiveness, mercy, compassion and so on. I hope this helps.

Hebrews chapter 11 Paul explains faith, John 3:16,

Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

Verse 26-The one taking the lead is linked with serving or ministering. This shows that one taking the lead should be one who does work.

Just to be theological & maybe, a little pedantic, though we often read of Christ being in us ( Colossians 1:27), the reality is that Christ, as God Who is also Man, is presently seated at the right hand of the Father ( Luke 22:69, Colossians 3:1). So when it is said that Christ is in us, we actually mean that He is there by His Spirit ( Romans 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 3:16). While it's not wrong to say that Christ lives in us, the correct understanding of this is that Christ is there by His Spirit in all who have been born again by Him.

Luke 22:32

What did Jesus mean by saying "after you are converted"?

I have always thought, because Jesus "CHOSE" His disciples, they were already "saved".

Could it be that Jesus had not yet shed His blood whereby men can be "saved" through faith That His blood is salvation?

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Yes, dear Hugo, I was referring to our conversation on 'prophets'. Re: Ecclesiastes 6:11, I think you have the wrong reference; possibly Proverbs 10:19, though this too doesn't apply.

I realize that you're not denying the deity of Christ in one sense, but I would advise you that 'Trinitarians' likewise don't deny it either. A Trinitarian understanding of the Scriptures as you know, is that there is One God & that God has expressed Himself (& revealed to us) His Being. God shows us Himself also by His Word & His Spirit - you know the Scriptures that support this. Then at the appointed time ( Romans 5:6), God sent His Word ( John 1:14) to be clothed with flesh so that a full & permanent sacrifice could be made for sin unlike animal sacrifices.

After Christ's death, resurrection & ascension, He went to sit at the Father's right Hand ( Luke 22:69; Romans 8:34) where He "ever lives to make intercession for us" ( Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34). So we see the Father in Heaven, His Son (Word made flesh) at the Father's right Hand & His Spirit who indwells the believer ( John 14:17; Ephesians 1:13,14) & convicts men ( John 16:8). There is no such teaching from the Bible that Jesus only exists in Heaven & that the Father & Holy Spirit are now existing in Jesus. I know this is the teaching of the "Jesus Only" movement. The Father, the Son & the Spirit are still there & all three remain part of the Eternal Godhead (& yes, by all means, level your accusation at me), for the Bible is clear. If you have Scriptures to show that this is not the case, then I welcome your further input & my study.

Is it doctrine or or spiritual ignorance that causes preachers and teachers to speak as if Jesus dropped down from heaven as if to bypass the miraculous birth? Is a miracle birth not sufficient to establish the utter supremacy of God? Can a person gifted by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel preach that Jesus is God without distinction though Jesus grew in stature and wisdom and God never had a beginning nor will have and end and Jesus, the Only Begotten said, as recorded in Luke 22:37, "For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me HAVE AN END".?

Can great and wise theologians, as they are esteemed to be, utter such things as "...when God died on the cross for us..." and "when Jesus raised himself from the dead"? How can it be that they supposedly have studied the Scripture?

That's part of the problem. They speak what the Bible calls great swelling words saying things like the Bible is the infallible inerrant word of God. They dismiss the need to rightly divide the word. Two things were infallible and inerrant. The Ten Commandments and the Son of God. God filled Jesus who, being perfect except for the flesh, could be touched without being corrupted because He was filled with God. We normal humans must invite God. Jesus was filled with God at birth. As a man, He had to learn God through the Scripture. He grew in wisdom. He quoted the Scripture and challenged others to study. Though He had a mission to perform, He wasn't eager for it. He asked His Father if there might be another way but deferred to Gods will over His own. Just study and know. The OT is Scripture- it came by God speaking to the prophets of old. The NT is God speaking to us through Jesus. It is cannon. It's about the only name given UNDER heaven for salvation of the soul. All others have a horrendous destiny. Look in the Bible then look in the streets. It is Biblical and time is short.

Hi Chris, I'll try to clarify more as best as possible. Sin is the things you mention such as lying, stealing, murder. It also can be gossip and similar acts with evil intent. A very basic definition of sin is doing or not doing that which is against the will of God. Sin can be not doing what God says. Think of Jonah, God gave the order to witness to Nineveh, but he ran from the task.

Ex: An evil thought enters the mind. You decide what to do with it, to cast it out or harbor it in your heart. If you cast it out, it's over. Victory against temptation. If it goes into the heart to continue, there is where sin develops and one begins to act out on it. See 1 Co. 10:5 "Casting down imaginations" I can only resist temptation because of God's Spirit in my heart from sanctification. Ex. 2: Judas; things such as covetousness/love of money was a temptation, he harbored it in heart and acted by betrayal for 30 pcs silver. Luke 22:3 Satan entered Judas because he did not cast temptation out but rather dwelled on it and acted on it. We know the rest, he betrayed Jesus and later regretted it, then in despair hung himself. He was saved at one time, temptation took hold, he betrayed Jesus, and lost out.

James 1:12-15 "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation" Fact, all are tempted, but temptation does not become sin unless you let it linger in the heart. Temptation itself is not the sin but if it reaches the heart then it becomes sin.

Consider these too; Ep. 4:3-6 Only 1 God who teaches all the same, no confusion in 1; 1 Co. 14:33, 1 Co. 1:10 speak the same thing, not language but in belief.

I did not always know much about God. When I got saved, the Holy Spirit taught me truth and I then can read and understand the mysteries in the Bible. And to be clear, salvation and sanctification are 2 separate acts required to be fully saved from sin. Think OT tabernacle with 2 rooms, both with altars to apply blood sacrifice. Today Christ is the our sacrifice. If we believe and obey.

I was searching for Acts 7:56 but the verse was omitted from this result?

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1 Peter 3:22 - Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Acts 5:31 - Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 2:33 - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Hebrews 1:13 - But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Luke 22:69 - Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Timothy 2:1-15 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; (Read More...)

Revelations clearly states those who call themselves Jews are not why is this overlooked.

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Bro. Dan. I understand what you're saying & it is true that Jesus did not speak about the cancellation of the given Law because of His (future) death & resurrection. The Law given then, as it is now, "is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Rom 7:12.

The problem with properly arguing such an important matter is that all Scripture has to be considered in its proper manner & not a dependence on just a few portions. Had the matter ended with Jesus' Words in the Gospels, then we would indeed be content with that & both Jew & Gentile converts would maintain strict observance of the Law & somehow after Christ's death, still rigidly attend to both it & Christ's Sacrifice as equally necessary to be acceptable to God. Is this how you understand the Scripture? Do you make any differentiation between the purpose of the Law & the need of God's Grace through His Son? If we had only the O.T. & the Gospels to show us how to live properly under the Law, then that is how we would be judged; and by all accounts, we would fail.

Since you quote solely from the Gospels to present your position, considering them is necessary. As stated earlier, Jesus did not speak about the annulling of the Law in the future but He did direct his hearers to what was correct & appropriate for that time. The Jews, still under the Law, were not obeying it as God purposed; Jesus had to give them the proper meaning, viz, the condition of the heart, relationship to non-Jews, money, divorce, Sabbath, justice, etc. etc. Jesus only spoke clearly to His disciples of his eventual sacrificial death, that which they hardly believed & accepted ( Mt 16:20-22), how much less trying to get them to understand the matter we are discussing now (of the New Covenant resulting from His Sacrifice); though He did refer to it in the Upper Room ( Luke 22:20).

TO CHRIS:

All I could find on angels is: Matthew 4:11, Luke 22:43, Psalm 91:11

They ministered to Jesus after his encounter with Satan on Jesus's 40 day fast.

We can ask God if the angels can minister to someone in trouble. We cannot demand it.

The Lords Prayer is the way Jesus taught us to pray.

Spiritual warfare is different.

Hi Mike,

I'd like to share an alternate viewpoint if you are open to it.

Do you believe that Jesus often spoke parables? These stories and metaphors were a means for teaching and he explained why he used them: Luke 8:10

So, when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood in John 6:53 did he literally mean to kill him and resort to cannibalism? I believe not, based on all his previous metaphors. Even his followers knew it was symbolic, but didn't quite understand the symbolism yet.

Jesus also said a few verses earlier in John 6:35 that he's the bread of life. Does that mean he's literally a loaf of bread walking and talking? It was a metaphor.

Jesus also explained the purpose of communion in Luke 22:19. Do it in remembrance of Him. If the goal was to literally eat and drink Jesus then you would think he would not have said this. It suggests the whole purpose of communion is to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and not that we're supposed to literally eat and drink him as food.

Also Jesus says John 14:6, John 10:9, Acts 4:12 that he's the only way for salvation. Not a man. So, I feel if a religion uses another man, like a Pope, in-between you and Jesus that you must go through then it is a false teaching inconsistent with scripture.

God bless!

Mathew 11:12

I believe it's Jesus, that suffers the violence

John 1

Luke 17:21-25

Luke 22:52-53, Luke 22:63-65, Luke 23:33

It was a Sabbath being Passover celebration. I heard it explained as a double Sabbath being Passover falling into a weekend.

Exodus 12:1-17

Mathew 26:2

Mark 14:1

Luke 22:1

Hope that helps.

Luke 22:26

Mark 10:43 -45

Genesis 9:4 Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Exodus 24:8 Moses took the blood and dashed it on the people, and said, 'See the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.'

Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations, in all your settlements: you must not eat any fat or any blood.

Leviticus 7:26 - 27 You must not eat any blood whatever, either of bird or of animal, in any of your settlements. Any one of you who eats any blood shall be cut off from your kin.

Leviticus 17:10 - 12 [ Eating Blood Prohibited ] If anyone of the house of Israel or of the aliens who reside among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut that person off from the people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel: No person among you shall eat blood, nor shall any alien who resides among you eat blood.

Leviticus 17:14 For the life of every creature-its blood is its life; therefore I have said to the people of Israel: You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:24 He said to them, 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20 And he did the same with the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

John 6:54 - 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

I think I might like this place. It will be nice to talk to Christians I don't know.

The Book of Revelation is often referred to as the Revelation of Saint John the Divine.

The title of the book can be found in Revelation 1:1

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John."

The words of God, given to Jesus, sent and signified by His angel to John.

Only talk about god

May god bless you all

Interesting point you make explains why through hurricane katrina the usa residents to get relief had to support israel even now with trump they have to sign they support israel for covid_19 payments and why trump made jerusalem the capitol of israel,so your point on israel makes some sense