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Connie,

That is a great question. I did not know the answer, but I did an internet search and found this. I cannot confirm the accuracy, but here's what I found:

There were 7 people named JUDAS in The Bible.

1. An ancestor of Jesus ( Luke 3:30-31)

2. "Judas the Galilean"mentioned by Gamaliel at the Sanhedrin. ( Acts 5:37)

3. One of the 12 apostles (aka: Thaddaeus-"son of James") ( Luke 6:16)

4. Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus. ( Mark 3:19)

5. One of Jesus' half-brothers. ( Matthew 13:55)

6. A man from Damascus (on the 'street called Straight') where Paul went after he was blinded ( Acts 9:11)

7. Judas (aka:Barsabbas)-who was called a prophet and a 'leading man' among the disciples, sent with Paul and Barnabas to deliver the letter on circumcision to Antioch and encourage the congregation ( Acts 15:22, 30-32)

I value your friendship as well, Gigi! I've been blessed by the things you've shared here - both natural things and spiritual things.

Thank you for your encouragement regarding our children, Gigi. When the battle is long, and there seems to be not much hope (the operative word is 'seems'!! :) --- it's a blessing to have a sister in the Lord remind me of God's promises! :)

God bless you, Gigi, and have a wonderfully blessed night,

and a sweet sleep, resting your weary head on the bosom of our Lord!

Hugs!

Dear Kay, GiGi, sorry to interfere in your conversation but GiGi your statement "I do think that God has appointed the children of believing parents to salvation" is very very true. That is what apostle Paul said to that prison guard in Philippi ( Acts 16:31) "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, AND THY HOUSE". GBU

Kay, I so appreciate your outreach to me. God is keeping us prayerful until He accomplishes the answers to our prayers for our loved ones according to His timing and will. He is training us to persevere in prayer AND faith along the way to these answers.

We so love our children, but God loves each of them more than we ever could, so we can trust Him to be working in their lives 24/7 to bring about His purpose for creating each one. I do think that God has appointed the children of believing parents to salvation. It will happen in His timing. We can lay our children upon the altar of faith and give them to God, knowing if He can raise the dead, He can regenerate our children, too.

Hi Gigi!

I'm sorry for the physical pain you endure, but admire the spirit that the Lord has given you to not give up, and to do what you can, when you can! There is something SO therapeutic about gardening!! I don't blame you for loving to get out there and poke around in the dirt! Ha ha! I love it myself!

When my children were younger, and before their Dad died (at 38 years of age), we did a lot of camping. Sad to say, at the moment, my family is very divided. My children don't really speak to each other...and all of us live very far from each other, for the most part. It's challenging, but the Lord knows! We just pray on, and believe on for our families! Unless the Lord works in hearts, nothing true and lasting can change. So, I try to keep my flesh out of things, and trust in the Lord!

I rejoice to hear that things are going well with your family, step by step, Gigi. When we dwell together in unity it is a huge, huge blessing! Praise the Lord!

Over the years, I've heard many testimonies of the 'power of a mom's prayers'; I'm sure as we pray for our families, God will yet do a work. When I pray for you, I want to remember to pray for your daughter-in-law! May she be drawn by the light in your lives, and by the sweetness of your words!

Well, I have to finish up some stuff, so will close for now! It's so pleasant to get

to know you through this discussion page, Gigi! What a blessing!

:)

Good morning Kay, well, too bad we haven't met in person yet! I am sure we could teach each other a thing or two!

I am 65 and recently retired due to lower back arthritis and severe trouble with respiratory viruses exacerbating asthma. The classroom full of kiddos was no longer the best place for me to be! I love to garden and am slowly regaining better endurance for some of the prep work in preparing the ground for planting. I can work for about 1 hour then need to rest my back for the day. My husband wishes to do woodworking, so I hope to learn that with him. We will be building planter boxes when i can get up and about better. That will teach us some of the skills for more advanced woodworking projects. Who knows, maybe it will become a "cottage industry" for us in our retirement. Maybe our sons will get the "bug" and work with us on projects, too.

Whatever we can do as a family, I am happy for that. Our oldest son got us all into learning to use guns. We go shooting as often as we weather permits up in the hills by our house. he is a good teacher, very knowledgeable and safety conscious. We love to camp together and try to go for at least one family camping trip each year. My sons like to hike, but I cannot do that due to my back.

I don't know if you experienced this or not, but each of our sons went through a time as young adults when they did not want to have a thing to do with parents. So we have been working on developing better adult relationships with each of them over the last dozen years or so. they are becoming more relational with us over this time. I pray every day for them to be drawn to return to the Lord again. I pray for my oldest sons new wife to turn from Islam to Jesus and I pray for God to bring the best women for my other two sons to be their wives. All are in their thirties.

Thank you for sharing. As believing parents we do our best to raise our children up in faith, but at some point we need to release them wholly to the Lord.

Well, Gigi, we are a bit the same in some ways! I too enjoy physical work. My son always is after me to 'slow down', I'll be 69 this summer, and in his mind, I should 'take it easy'. But I'm a firm believer that we 'lose' what we do not 'use'. It's true in our spiritual lives, and in our physical. We have a wood stove, and I'm always stacking wood, or hauling wood, mowing the lawn, etc.! This (as you so well put it!) 'foo foo' stuff isn't my 'thing'. :)

Those are GREAT skills to have, regarding the power tools. I've not delved into that area yet, but probably should. It's good for gals to know that stuff!

My son was showing me some videos on 'wood turning' from the you tube channel, "David's Woodturning'. It's fascinating. I would LOVE to do stuff like that! If I had lots of money - I'd also love to learn pottery and have my own pottery 'shed'! I love creative things; I don't say I have a lot of talent for it, but sure like to try!

Have a wonderful new week, Gigi!!

Thanks Kay,

I too, am not a manicure, fake nail, foo-foo girl either. I like to work hard. I am learning to use power tools now that my husband is stocking his tool repertoire for upcoming retirement. Learned to use the chop saw, circular saw, reciprocating saw, drill, impact driver, in the month before my surgery. My friend and I are "in training" concerning tools. So, my husband shows me how and then I go to her house and show her and we practice on scrap wood. Kinda fun, actually. But the best thing is that my husband and I can work on projects together (and with our sons, too).

Hi Gigi!

I am just rejoicing with you in your very speedy recovery! Sometimes, as I look back over the years of my life, I am amazed at the things that the Lord has healed me from, from the 'usual' things like colds and flu, to more serious brushes with health issues! NO medicine or doctor or surgery would be effective apart from the Lord's blessing on it, so I just give Him the glory! He truly is still the Lord Who heals us!

It's so cute what you said about your hubby taking care of you! It is VERY good for husbands and wives to minister to each other! Two are better than one! I know how you feel though. It's easier to be the 'care giver' at times, than to be the 'care receiver." I am not the type of gal who likes manicures, pedicures and that kind of 'girlie' stuff. :) So yeah...I'd rather be the care giver for sure; I'm very comfortable in that role. But then again, in my younger days, I was a health care professional...so..I think it goes with the territory! It's just how I'm made!

That is awesome that you are gaining mobility so fast in your feet and with your hand, and now you can type 2-handed again! The rate you're going, you'll be out in that garden in no time! Praise the Lord!

I'd love to be out in the garden..but it's going to be in the 30's again for a couple of nights this coming week. I hate to set plants out when we're still getting such chilly nights for fear they'll freeze! Oh well; this gives me a chance to grow some of the lovely fruit of patience! Ha ha!

In any case, it's good to hear from you Gigi. The prayer will continue for that full recovery! I like how Charles Spurgeon often noted that 'God does nothing by halves.' When He does anything, He does a good, full job! Praise Jesus!!

Love in Christ, with holy hugs, dear sister!

-Kathy-

We should look at Abraham's act with Isaac as faith as well as an act of obedience on his part. We; certainly aren't as Abraham being given a son at 99 years of age; with a wife of 90; nor speaking to the Angel of God (Christ preincarnate) and other angels about destroying Sodom and then witnessing the event. Isaac was the son of promise who was to have descendants to multiply as the stars of the sky. The Lord would have to resurrect him; or as he told his son; "the Lord will provide a lamb" and the mountain's name given was testimony to that fact. (Actually a RAM was in thicket; the sacrificial lamb was eventually to be Christ who also needed to be a descendant of Isaac so the fact is that the Lord had to step in at some point.

We need to act out on what we confess; to prove what we possess. It is easy according to James to wish someone to be warm and fed or any other accolaides without doing anything. Surely we need to provide for physical needs as well as spiritual. We also; surely need to preach the truth in love; we can't separate these actions either; as it is not loving to tell people just what they want to hear; nor is it to bash them with truth and not care about the person. Much is the same principle with the Lord; those who love Him will obey His voice. ( John 14:15). He asks why people call Him Lord, Lord and do not what He says in Luke 6:46. We are not of this world; but need to be salt and light; for that is the preservation from total destruction which the Restrainer utilizes in the Body of Christ through the Spirit's current operation. We are told that he who doesn't care for the needs of his own are worse than an unbeliever and an infidel ( 1 Timothy 5:8). Mark 3:35 states that those who are His brother and mother; etc are those who do the will of the Father. We were given works from before the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 2:10). The Holy Spirit works within us; putting to death the deeds of the flesh as a fit vessel

Hi Kay, thanks for asking.

I am doing very well. Got all of my stitches out earlier this week and doctor says I can begin walking on my foot unassisted! it hurts a little but walking will aid in healing and restoring flexibility. I can go up and down stairs upright now!

My hand is improving day by day. I can now type two handed! My grip is not too strong yet and gets tired and painful at times, but working it helps reconnect communication between the tissues in my hand and improves flexibility.

Today was a warm sunny day. I am itching to get out and garden, but cannot wear regular shoes yet. I wear oversized slippers so my foot won't get squeezed and hurt. I am hoping I can get back to regular shoes in a week or so.

I am very pleased with my progress. The Lord is giving me quick healing, better than I thought! My husband is still doing many things for me, but i want to try to do more for myself now. Shall see if he :lets me". HaHa.

It is good for him to care for me. Couples need to do this as we age so that we can trust our spouse to do well with us when the time comes that we need more care. So, he is practicing up. I am pretty much a "caregiver" type of person, so he is in good hands with me, should he have need of more care from me.

Additional scripture for you:

Matthew 3-7, Matthew 5, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 9:10-13, Matthew 9:14-17, Matthew 9:27-34, Matthew 12:14, Matthew 12, Matthew 15, Matthew 16, Matthew 16:6,12, Matthew 19:3, * Matthew 21, Matthew 22, Matthew 22:15, it appears they were wrongfully referring to the book of Tobet, in 1611 version, Tobit 3:7,8, Matthew 22:29,

* Matthew 23:2, whole chapter Matthew 23, Matthew 27:62,

Matthew 23:13,14,

Mark 2:16, Mark 2, Mark 3:1-6, Mark 7:1-23, Mark 8:11,15, Mark 10:2, Mark 12:13,

Luke 5:17-39, Luke 6:2-11, Luke 7:29-50, Luke 11:37-54, Luke 12:1, Luke 12:31, Luke 14:1-24, Luke 14, Luke 16:14-31, Luke 16, Luke 19:35-39,

John 1:19-34, John 3:1-21, John 7:28-32, John 7:43-53, John 8:3-22, John 9, John 9:15,16, John 11:37-57, John 12:19, John 12:42, John 18:3,

Acts 15, Acts 23,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study, I included several Chapters to read next to verses, to read within context, for better understanding

I've experienced all of those offenses. Jesus said "offenses will come."

Apostle Paul was jailed frequently. Apostle John was stuck on an island most of his life: but he wrote the Book of Revelation for us.

Social Media teaches us to be Reactionary; favorably or unfavorably. We need to FOLLOW JESUS, as He said. Live Jesus.

Gigi, I had to hop on here and see how you're doing! You're often on my mind, and forgive me for not asking sooner!

I hope by now, you're well on your way to healing!!

Have a wonder-filled weekend in Jesus!

=Kay-

Hi Leigh,

This is a hard discipline, a hard lesson for us to love our enemies. And others have given great responses, filled with godly wisdom. Now I'd like to encourage you with some things that help me to grow in this area.

First of all, it isn't just 'those people' who tell us to love our enemies. It is our Master Who tells us to do so. Matthew 5:44,

"BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Whenever Jesus says, in Scripture, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU", boy...I sit up and take notice! It is the LORD commanding us to do so, not mere human beings.

Secondly, Jesus would not ask us to do something without giving us grace and Holy Ghost power to do so.

Thirdly, when I am treated badly, I think of how Jesus died for me when I was His enemy. Before I knew Him, when He was on that cursed tree paying for my crimes, He looked down through history and was forgiving me, for I was so depraved in my sin, I had no idea what I was doing...REALLY. What a Savior!

It is an honor then, when we are mistreated, to get a chance to be like Jesus, the Lord Who we love, and choose to forgive.

Fourthly, we pray our godly example will lead our troublers to repentance. And if they do not repent, justice will be served at God's good pleasure. Vengeance belongs to Him. He WILL repay. All will work out in righteousness as we wait on God.

Fifthly, I think on many examples of saints who have been persecuted and/or martyred for the faith; how many sealed their testimony with forgiveness to those who took their lives! Again...no human can do this alone; but we're not alone! We have the Holy Spirit!

Don't be discouraged! It is God's will that we forgive - and He will help us to do it! He will get all the glory for it, for it is by His own power we overcome evil with good!

Blessings, Leigh!

Dear "Leigh" and Gigi, we must forgive if we do not also our unforgivable mind will be held fast and we ourselves will not be forgiven by God. That is what Jesus Himself says. Mark 11:25-26

We have also received help from the Holy Spirit who will guide us if we ask Him. John 16:13-15

Personally, i pray to got a gentle spirit, so that i do not overwhelm others with my claim in such moments. The disciples asked Jesus one day. Luke 9:54-55

So much injustice has been done to me, but i rarely take it up. That is, if i can refer to God's Word, i will gladly do so. :) Be happy dear friends, we have conquered the world in the Name of Jesus. He will never leave us. He does not first give a gift and take it back, as we humans can often do!

But on the other hand, we have a thief, a devil, a cunning liar who constantly tries and steals our gifts. That is why it is especially important to be vigilant, especially when we talk about forgiveness. For with unforgiveness also comes bitterness and hatred. This things are not in the kingdom of God, at all! So take back up gift of grace you received, so that you reveal all that does not come from the Lord. 2 Timothy1:6-8

Stay blessed in His holy Name Jesus, love u all in Christ. Matthew 25:14-30

1Thessalonians 5:17, Matthew 6:5-35, Mark 11:24, Luke 6:28, Luke 10:2, Luke 11:1-13, Luke 18:1, Luke 18:1-14, 1Corinthians 11, 1Corinthians 14:14-15, James 5:13-20, Psalms 122:6, Ephesians 6:18, Philippians 4:6, Mark 13, 2Chronicles 7:14, 1Timothy 2:1-6,

Romans 8:26,

Hopefully these are helpful

Leigh, what you said is very true of us. We do not love our enemy, but can with the work of the holy Spirit in us. It takes conscious effort to be loving in the face of being sinned against as the Holy Spirit reminds us of Christ's words to love our enemies, to bless them, to pray for them. The more one submits to the Holy Spirit on such matters the easier it gets to actually obey the words of our Savior.

I do think that forgiving others is challenging, too. But again, it is the work of the Holy Spirit in us to enable us to will and do what Jesus calls us to do.

People who have had horrible things done to them have a bigger challenge than others. It helps if others pray for these people since they have so much to bear and work through.

I wonder about all these people who preach love thy enemy. If you were lied against, if I slapped you would you turn the other cheek? If I put you in prison could you forgive me. Even little offenses can be difficult to forgive.

Luke 6 verse 5

And he said unto them ,that the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath .

I wonder how many actually understand this verse ...

But is sure shows what power and authority God has given Jesus of Nazareth .

So what was the forbidden fruit? And why did 'man' decide to call it an apple? Why would this be a secret? Luke 8:17 says nothing shall remain secret or hidden. This seems very important to me. Was not the Tree of Life in the garden, as well as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would it not be revealed what the 'fruit' of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is?

In Matt 12:33 and Luke 6:44 it speaks to a tree being known by his fruit.

And then there is I John 3:12 where it says Cain "was of that wicked one"?

This chapter; as many others in scripture-demonstrate the level of depravity one may reach.

There are two possible outcomes here; that of Manasseh who indeed humbled himself after suffering greatly and knowing that God was indeed Lord (v. 13). The resulting behaviors listed up to verse 20 show that there was a genuine conversion and that must characterize anyone who claims to have faith today. His son; Amon only had 2 years to serve and was killed by his own servants at the age of 24. (v. 24).

Testimonies are always effective; as say someone like Niki Cruz who was profoundly affected by David Wilkerson who himself put his own life in jeopardy to witness the gospel. It is only through unconditional "agape" love that we can truly "love our enemies; and do good to those who despitefully use us." ( Luke 6:27-28). It is; of course no benefit to manifesting sins so that we can later have a more dramatic testimony. God does; of course come to us "while we are yet sinners" ( Romans 5:8). We also need to be reminded of the exhortation in Ezekiel; even one sin disqualifies a rightous man ( Ezekiel 33:13). Note the man in that verse is TRUSTING in his own righteousness! These passages help to demonstrate the unity of scripture and that the God of the O.T. is the same today. There is no room for boasting; except in Christ ( Jeremiah 9:24; 1 Cor. 1:31). These passages also are stark warnings for those who have Godly examples; we are held more accountable and perhaps judged sooner than the world itself. We see this in the case of Nebuchadnezzar's progeny at the time of the writing on the wall; for example. In short; there are those who learn from chastisement who are His chosen; and others who only harden their hearts further; such as Pharaoh.

The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. ( 1 Tim. 6:10). Paul himself; in fact was a tentmaker; who encouraged others to make things with their hands ( Acts 18:3). He also apparently paid for food during his travels ( 2 Thess. 3:8). Those who used to steal were given similar admonitions to work and be productive. ( Eph. 4:28).

There is; of course nothing wrong for those actively pursuing work in the ministry to be supported and fed ( Luke 10:7). We should be discerning as to the financial accountability of those we support; however and aware of those attracted to "filthy lucre" ( Titus 1:11). Such behavior obviously is characteristic of those "prosperity preachers" whose mouth betrays their true intentions (out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh-( Luke 6:45). Such resources as "Charity Navigator" are helpful to demonstrate what percentages of funds are used directly for ministry purposes. The church itself; as a Body should be supporting one another as the early church; at least in some ways meeting each others needs; as well as contributing financially or using their talents for proclaiming the Good News and fulfilling the Great Commission.

We shouldn't neglect verses for laypeople to "work heartily unto the Lord."( Colossians 3:23-24). We are representing our King; much as Daniel served the king of Babylon daily during the exile ( Daniel 1:5). This was much the same pattern as with Joseph in Egypt. We are even to be faithful with "unrighteous mammon" ( Luke 16:10-11). If we can't be trusted with earthly things; how can we be trusted with heavenly treasure? There are plenty of warnings to avoid amassing large amounts of gold and silver ( Deut 17:17) which God instructed Solomon (along with many wives). Money itself; therefore is an inanimate object; but as they say if "money talks" or gets a life of it's own in our lives then it is clear that it has become an idol. Matthew 6:3 is a good read on the subject..

Perhaps being older myself gives some perspective. It is fine when young; and one can operate on positive emotions as happiness itself isn't necessarily indicative of sin. Joy of the Lord; Pauline style; as it were in the midst of deprivations; prison; threats; beatings; and his concern for the church clearly has persevering power beyond mere human strength. We also need to remember Christ's parable of the seed and the sower; as to he who "received the word immediately with joy; but then as soon as trials come they fall away" (you can find the verse). Being "on fire" as it is relates; or should relate more to "rejoicing when others rejoice; and weeping when they weep" ( Romans 12:15-20). It relates to sacrificial agape love; where we love our enemies; and pray for those who "despitefully use us" ( Luke 6:28). It should reflect our service in our gifting and calling; but also learning from those with other gifts in the Body so that we are balanced and grow in grace and truth.

A big problem; of course is as the adage goes; people are more enamored with the gifts than the Giver of them. With an Ephesians 6 mentality; the power of offensive warfare is only one weapon; the "sword" of the Spirit. It is used for bringing down strongholds by being in accord with our High Priest (Hebrews); namely Christ who ever intercedes for us. We are given our marching orders of who to pray for and sometimes with a sense of urgency. This is also; BTW a likely use of tongues for those who have a genuine gift and not endless prattering about. It is either another REAL language; or groans that can't be exprressed in a heavenly language as angels are ministering spirits; giving us strength as they did for Christ during His greatest trials.

Obviously; the extravagent Laodicean type spirit in many churches is simply a Kundalini or some other evil force; if "filthy lucre" is the prime motivation for lukewarm faith. Stay away from those folks. Agape. Rich P.

Interesting question. There is the verse "be angry but don't let the sun down on your anger" ( Ephesians 4:26). This basically means not to harbor grudges; and have righteous indignation. The laundry list of BAD fruits ( 1 Cor. 3:3; Gal. 5:19). Later on in that same chapter; Paul brings up the GOOD fruits; these would include love, joy and peace, kindness; patience etc. Only joy may be considered to be an emotion; so that it would appear emotions generally are not helpful as controlling agents in our lives. True joy comes from the Lord; we can have this in the midst of persecution; and we are asked to be this way when we are persecuted.

( Luke 6:22-23). We are; in fact to be "happy". Now; there are only 3 options for this; we are sadists and like suffering; or we are lying in saying this; or we are living in the Spirit. We are told to "rejoice when others rejoice; weep when others weep." ( Rom. 12:15). This has to do with aligning our will with obedience in serving the Body of Christ.

In general; when we look at the behaviors of all unregenerate men shown in scripture; we see the downfall due to emotions getting the better of people. We; of course have Christ who showed compassion; and on at least 2 occasions he ransacked the Temple due to jealousy for the House of Prayer which was made a den of thieves. This was prophesied in Jeremiah 7:11 and listed as an event in 3 of the Gospel accounts. We also see God laughing at the calamity of the wicked ( Psalm 2 and repeated in several other passages). God has been shown in scripture with seemingly impulsive anger in Exodus when Moses acted to intercede His wiping out all of Israel; and yet He held to the Covenants made with them. He returns to judge in Armageddon; as prophesied in Isaiah 63:3 He tramples the winepress in fury and anger. God's wrath against the wicked is ongoing; continual and eternal for the unregenerate. We do well to live for His Kingdom and conform our emotions accordingly.

JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

He told us to sell all

Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

Luke 12:33 to the disciples

Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

And his disciples approve

Acts 2:44-45

Acts 4:33-34

Luke 18:28-30

Matthew 4:18-24

But who will go to heaven

Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

Luke 18:24-25

Mark 10:17-31

Matthew 5:3

Luke 6:20

James 2:5

But where does that put the rich?

Luke 6:24-25

James 5:1-3

What is the root of all evil?

1 timothy 6:10

Genesis 3

Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

Genesis 3:17-19

Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Luke 17:28

But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

Revelation 13

But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.

Dear "Marke", in a way you are right too. Jews still keep the Sabbath, and Christians do not keep the Sabbath at all. The meaning of the Sabbath was to Honor God not man. Therefore, the Jews could not then do/work on that day of the Sabbath. This was then, as everyone knows, a great topic of conversation for the scribes. (You should see for yourself here on the web as well). So that we do not walk in unbelief where others are enlightened.

Luke 6:7

And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.

They followed everything Jesus did to get something and accuse Him. No further explanation is needed, because we know that.

Jesus has now created a society that we can have with Him 24/7 that is, around the clock. The kingdom of the Holy Spirit understands everything we think/believe/confess and He does not beat us down if we do not get to go to Sunday meeting. For that is what we Christians do at meetings on Sunday.

But what was done if the Jews did not follow the laws of the Sabbath?

For to live up to what Jesus died for us, May we have fellowship in the Spirit as here in one example Fhilippians 2:1-4

The law that has now been replaced by stone tablets is now directed into our hearts. So really, we only need One to teach us.

He Is A Full Good Teacher. The Holy Spirit.

Romans 5:5

Ezekiel 36:26

This was done so that we would be justified, but then another study begins. Then I'm pretty sure the elders in here have something good to say. Be blessed in Jesus name, love u in Christ

I think if you trace out commentaries on Judas in the Gospels and Acts you get the answers to both of your questions.

The set of scriptures that speak about Judas before he committed himself to betray Jesus are: Mark 3:13-19, Luke 6:13-16, John 6:61-71

The event that triggered Judas to act on his decision to betray Jesus: Matthew 26:6-16, Mark 14:3-11, John 12:3-8

Judas identified as betrayer at the last supper: Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, Luke 22:21-22, John 13:18-31

Once his betrayal was set in motion: John 17:9-12

At the betrayal: Matthew 26:45-50, Mark 14:40-46, Luke 22:45-48, John 18:1-9

After completing his betrayal: Matthew 27:3-10, Acts 1:16 and Acts 1:20

We must acknowledge Jn 2:24-25 was true of Christ before He chose any of His disciples. He was never deceived by anyone that temporarily followed him but fell away, including Judas, John 6:64. No prophet had been in Israel for centuries, so Christ alone had this ability when He came until Pentacost. After Pentacost the hearts of certain individuals could be revealed by Christ's Spirit to born again believers that are specially given that gift, such as Peter ( Acts 5:1-13, Acts 8:1-25) Note, Jusas, Ananias and Saphira, and Simon all had their hearts exposed as false thru their follies with money.

Judas was a disciple and he was broken off the vine, but he never had the fruit of the Holy Spirit and was never pronounced pruned/cleaned by the Father or Jesus. We know this because Judas was broken off by the Father before Jesus told the disciples they were pruned/cleaned branches abiding in Him, the true vine, who would bear fruit in John 15. Judas was marked unclean, he was never born again of the Spirit at Pentacost or made an Apostle for the great commission. He died a disciple without the fruitful presence of the Holy Spirit. He is proof that false fruitless brethren can be among us who depart 1 Jn 2:18-20, but not proof some are broken off by God who actually bear fruit by abiding in Jesus.

Amen Bob.

That is in the context of what that verse is saying, It's not a verse that we use to examine a fault or to bring condemnation, It's used to verify.

Here's it in its context;

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:15-16.

This is not an outward showing of the flesh, This is caused by the husbandman "God!" This is spirit indwelling!! Not the works of the flesh where man have an outward appearance but dead on the inside.

Matthew 23:27.

You can't work this up.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7:18.

Here's another reference to your comment. Matthew 23:25-26.

I believe this is what Henry was getting at also.

This is wonderful scripture and important to keep it in its context.

This is the ministry of the Holyspirit.

This is not examining a fault in another such as a mote in ones eye or pulling a beam out of our eyes.

those verses is speaking of judging/condemning.

Fruit is something you don't produce, it's something you bare. You're the branch connected to the vine!

Now we can examine ourselves and according to John, We can know whether we're in the faith or not.

1 John 4:13-21.

God bless.

Amen Henry.

if we're connected to the vine there will be some sign of life!! "You shall know them by their fruit". This fruit is "CAUSED" by the vine.

God bless.