No "exception clause" here.
The only "exception clause" is in Matthew when Jesus was addressing Israelite men. The "exception clause" does not there apply to women, for to have it apply to women would place it in conflict with the absolute prohibition of women remarrying while their husband lived.
Mary, first and always you should pray. I say that because I was that kind of husband and by the grace of God I am saved. Far as scriptures a look at Mat 18: 15-17, 2Cor6: 14-18, and 1Cor7: 13-15 might help. I would (I did) look in your bible concordance and find all scriptures concerning marriage, wife, and husband. God still loves you, never forget that. See also the book of Jude.
In Mark 10:29-30 But Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake and the gospel's,But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.Take note that in verse 30 He did not included the father in the list because He is a FATHER to us in the world to come.If you allow your heart to accept and follow Christ command, Jesus said he shall receive an hundredfold right away, because He is the hundredfold, but be careful of the persecutions.
No where in the bible does it say that Jesus cured the blind man, not the blindness. Read the scriptures in Mark 10: 51-52, it says- "51 And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.
52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
The bible clearly says he received his sight. Me, Matthew, and Carey have proved you wrong in almost all of your points.
Also, your hypothetical proof that the bible is wrong is not proof at all. If the same God breathed life into the first man, wouldn't he have the power to come in incarnation, and raise someone from the dead? I would think so!
with regards to Matthew 5:32, a man who divorces his wife because of her sexual infidelity, the woman won't commit adultery if she marries another. The man who divorced her won't commit adultery too if he marries another woman. With mark 10:11-12, sexual infidelity of the husband is not included among the restricted causes when a wife wants to divorce her husband.
What Mild Bill has said about the paperwork being the representation of "what has already happened in their hearts" really hits the nail on the head, because sins are, first, sins of the heart. Marrying another person was not what put this marriage beyond repair, however. It was the husband's hardened heart, making the wife incapable of beleiveing this liar would change, ever. Would you not think that Christ would think this woman had had enough abuse at the hands of this man? Where is the compassion, here, with her church? Why has the church not removed him, unless the leaders are doing similar things, and have been blackmailed into not telling by the husband?
In the case of Isaac, he married his wife by taking her into his mother's tent, and presumably sleeping with her. That act made her his wife. He probably had a blessing, as well, from his father! Think of how many women this man has taken into his "tent"! Has this not defiled the marriage over and over?
In the case of David, who already had multiple wives... he committed adultery with Bathsheba, and had a son with her. God initially called Bathsheeba, "Uriah's wife". After David and she had married, and lost that first child, and after David repented and gave his heart to God, again, God actually called Bathsheba, "David's wife". God recognized the union and blessed it! Read the story in the record!! God did. But man would not recognize the union, today, if it happened, today?!!! It is apparent that this union was blessed because of the son it produced...Solomon, and the fact that David was called "a man after God's own heart".
I think we have to be careful to not make people suffer more than God would have them suffer, especially in cases of the heart, and in cases of abuse, where the heart is also involved.
And to think that a person, even if he or she commits adultery and marries another person, lives in a state of perpetual sinning, when they are sorry, and have been forgiven, is really to presume to know what God would do. Remember that God is more merciful than you would be!! And I imagine that your heart goes out to this woman. She should not be made to labor over this guilt trip, any more. Hasn't she had enough, regardless of whether she re-marries, or not?
Time to find another church, if these biblical principles are not exonerated, and if the leaders refuse to do what is compassionate and right, which would be to remove the husband from his offices.
Did you know that Lying and fornication and witchcraft, among some other things, are considered to be ABOMINATIONS by God, and divorce is not listed as an abomination. (look up the word in the concordance, and find out what things are abominations. They might surprise you. We put so much emphasis on divorce, because it is visible, but make no mistake, it IS a forgivable sin!!) Let's put emphasis where it needs to be put, and not create any more trouble for this woman. The leadership commits a SIN OF OMMISSION, if it refuses to discipline one of its abusive members. And that is just as bad as a divorce!
1Corinthians7:13
If the church doesn't discipline the husband, that's not a church. He is in open sin and it is doubtful he is a Christian. He is not "pleased to live with her" and is hurting her. I believe divorce is only the paperwork for what has already happened in their hearts. The only sin which would prevent them from re-establishing a marriage would be either of them to marry another(Deuteronomy24:1-4). Then the bond, in the eyes of God, is throughly broken beyond repair.
A husband continues adulterous affairs during the marriage, also views porno on the computer & magazines, scorns the wife when she asks to talk about the situation & says "who would want you!" (meaning the wife) The wife went to pastors through the years & received no help other than be a better wife, be submissive, etc. The husband was even a church officer, had improper relations with a divorced, new Christian lady in the church, a deacon spoke to him, he still kept having affairs. He was also abusive to the wife until she finally had to leave and go to a shelter, but after the children were grown. It has been years & he continues to disobey court orders & continues to cause legal problems for the wife. She is still afraid of him. Is it scriptural for her to get a divorce - she has NO plans to re-marry or ever even date! The divorce would release her from further legal problems from the husband. The wife has had varying opinions from pastors and strong Christians. She wants to be scriptural, but is weary of the continued abuse & the husband continues to have improper sexual relations with multiple people, so much so that he was just fired from a long-term job for keeping clients phone #s, calling them & demanding sexual relations with them. This has gotten worse and the wife doesn't know what to do. Please give scriptural backing for your answers - not just your opinions, please. Thank you!
Here is my take on your question. It goes deeper than the pastor's responsibility, and I can't answer for the pastor, but to say that this depends on true belief in the individual.
If someone is not serving God in their heart, their oath to serve God through their marriage might be insincere and then divorce by being corrupt and weak.
But if the sinner should divorce, then gain a new life in Christ and love again, he or she can make an oath of marriage that is bond up in God due to the conviction in the heart.
That is how I believe that marriages are blessed and how God holds the individuals accountable.
A pastor's role in represeneting Christ in this world while he or she also represnts the synod or congregation, might be a more fundamnental question. What do you think?
Dave, if you read a little closer you will see that the birds fly in heaven everyday. So sending a man a little further up in to heaven is no big deal. In facts if you study the Bible you will find out that there are multiple heavens mentioned.
2 Chronicles 2:6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?
You see God is not waiting in outer space for men to reach Him, He has already come down to men.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
He came to give you life if you will receive it.
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
It comes by faith when you turn from your pride and turn to God.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The only "exception clause" is in Matthew when Jesus was addressing Israelite men. The "exception clause" does not there apply to women, for to have it apply to women would place it in conflict with the absolute prohibition of women remarrying while their husband lived.
52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.
The bible clearly says he received his sight. Me, Matthew, and Carey have proved you wrong in almost all of your points.
Also, your hypothetical proof that the bible is wrong is not proof at all. If the same God breathed life into the first man, wouldn't he have the power to come in incarnation, and raise someone from the dead? I would think so!
In the case of Isaac, he married his wife by taking her into his mother's tent, and presumably sleeping with her. That act made her his wife. He probably had a blessing, as well, from his father! Think of how many women this man has taken into his "tent"! Has this not defiled the marriage over and over?
In the case of David, who already had multiple wives... he committed adultery with Bathsheba, and had a son with her. God initially called Bathsheeba, "Uriah's wife". After David and she had married, and lost that first child, and after David repented and gave his heart to God, again, God actually called Bathsheba, "David's wife". God recognized the union and blessed it! Read the story in the record!! God did. But man would not recognize the union, today, if it happened, today?!!! It is apparent that this union was blessed because of the son it produced...Solomon, and the fact that David was called "a man after God's own heart".
I think we have to be careful to not make people suffer more than God would have them suffer, especially in cases of the heart, and in cases of abuse, where the heart is also involved.
And to think that a person, even if he or she commits adultery and marries another person, lives in a state of perpetual sinning, when they are sorry, and have been forgiven, is really to presume to know what God would do. Remember that God is more merciful than you would be!! And I imagine that your heart goes out to this woman. She should not be made to labor over this guilt trip, any more. Hasn't she had enough, regardless of whether she re-marries, or not?
Time to find another church, if these biblical principles are not exonerated, and if the leaders refuse to do what is compassionate and right, which would be to remove the husband from his offices.
Did you know that Lying and fornication and witchcraft, among some other things, are considered to be ABOMINATIONS by God, and divorce is not listed as an abomination. (look up the word in the concordance, and find out what things are abominations. They might surprise you. We put so much emphasis on divorce, because it is visible, but make no mistake, it IS a forgivable sin!!) Let's put emphasis where it needs to be put, and not create any more trouble for this woman. The leadership commits a SIN OF OMMISSION, if it refuses to discipline one of its abusive members. And that is just as bad as a divorce!
If the church doesn't discipline the husband, that's not a church. He is in open sin and it is doubtful he is a Christian. He is not "pleased to live with her" and is hurting her. I believe divorce is only the paperwork for what has already happened in their hearts. The only sin which would prevent them from re-establishing a marriage would be either of them to marry another(Deuteronomy24:1-4). Then the bond, in the eyes of God, is throughly broken beyond repair.
If someone is not serving God in their heart, their oath to serve God through their marriage might be insincere and then divorce by being corrupt and weak.
But if the sinner should divorce, then gain a new life in Christ and love again, he or she can make an oath of marriage that is bond up in God due to the conviction in the heart.
That is how I believe that marriages are blessed and how God holds the individuals accountable.
A pastor's role in represeneting Christ in this world while he or she also represnts the synod or congregation, might be a more fundamnental question. What do you think?
2 Chronicles 2:6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?
You see God is not waiting in outer space for men to reach Him, He has already come down to men.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
He came to give you life if you will receive it.
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
It comes by faith when you turn from your pride and turn to God.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.