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Thank you Gigi, I had a good day at rest. :) Be blessed and thank you for your care and love, i appreciate that.

Mark 13: 32-37

God bless us in Jesus name, love u in Christ.

These are verses for the "Caught Up in the Clouds". Rapture is not in the English. I believe it's a Greek word.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 5:2

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Mark 13:26

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62

And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[now pencil these scriptures in the back of your Bible; in case a friend asks you what you believe about this]

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:3-37,

Note : Matthew 24:8, Matthew 24:7, Matthew 24:21-24, these are Jesus Words, Matthew 24:29, " Immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31,

Please note: these all also recorded as Jesus Words : Mark 13:23, Mark 13:24-27, " But in those days after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall togather his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Revelation 6, note Revelation 6:10-11, Revelation 8, see Revelation 8:3-4, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, Note: Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11, Please notice: Revelation 11:15-19,

1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5:1-10, 2Thessalonians 1:4-10, Please note: this was written after 1Thessalonians to clarify : 2Thessalonians 2, Please read: 2Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

2Peter 2:9,

Jesus Words again, praying for all believers: John 17, notable : John 17:15 " I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Hopefully helpful

Sheila:

To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.

Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.

1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.

Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.

You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.

Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......

God Bless YOU!

I am in agreement with Terry here.

Jesus does not want us to be overly worked up about the timing of prophecy, because only God the Father knows when.

Jesus Himself, when He was on earth, said he did not know when some things would take place:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 (KJV)

Before His ascension, Jesus was pressed by his disciples about the time of fulfillment of some prophecies. He responded by saying they should not be too worked up about the timing of an event which God only controls, but that they should focus on the job of soulwinning instead, after receiving the Holy Spirit:

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:6-8 (KJV).

One thing we know for sure: Christ is not coming back until the world has been reached with the Gospel:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matt 24:14 (KJV)

I was bullied in school, by some students & even teachers. I know several children bullied by teachers & others in authority. I even had teachers throw chalkboard erasers & hit me in the head, multiple times, in front of entire classes. One teacher pulled me by the hair of my head down the hall to office because I asked questioned his fairness 5th grade. 4th Grade the teacher had me miss play time several days because I white skin, & different eyes & hair. "to teach class about predjudist" it made students more isolating towards me. Many more situations, I & others have suffered.

* To tell someone in authority that has no fear of GOD, sometimes makes the problem worse!

1st know: Jesus knows better than anyone what it's like to be wrongfully bullied! Pray to The Father for help in Jesus Name: Matthew 6:5-34, John 14:13, Isaiah 53,

1Peter 2:19-25,

2nd if you have kind, gentle, loving & understanding parents you all could prayerfully consider Homeschooling.

If you have a difficult situation at home, then pray about how to tell your Parent/Parents/Gaurdian. Even if they don't outwardly show love, they most likely care about cruel, abusive behavior towards you by others. In one case a child was moved to different school & situations were much better for that child.

3rd, Remember this time, if you're called to endure is just a few years, sometimes much shorter when you pray. GOD does amazing things, through our prayers. Luke 17:6, Matthew 17:20, James 5:17,

4th, through hardship we learn compassion, to help others who go through what we have gone through, & going through. 2Corinthians 1:3-4,

5th, I will pray for you.

6th be encouraged as I have become unafraid of people & bolder for Christ, wiser especially for things today, you too should be strengthened & be wiser throughout these things. 2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging

Matthew 24:13 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." It sounds like it's something we have to do to be saved in the end, that we have to endure until the end in order to be saved. It's not "if" we endure to the end. The literal translation from the Greek says, "But the one who HAS ENDURED, not the one who will, but the one who has endured unto the end, this one will be saved. Because it is an Aorist Participle in the Greek, it shows the proof of those who are saved, and it matches the rest of the teachings in the New Testament. The person who is saved WILL endure to the end.

We see this again in Mark 13:13 which says, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

What Jesus is doing for us is He is designating a characteristic of those people who are saved. They endure till the end. The reason why they endure to the end is because they belong to the Lord. It's God's Spirit that protects us. It is God's Spirit that takes us all the way to the end. It is not a challenge for us. It is a characteristic of a person that is saved! In 1 Peter 1:5, Peter says, "We are those who are being kept by the power of God until our salvation comes."

We are kept by the power of God, period!

2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Mark 13:22

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Corinthians 11:13

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 1

John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Mishael: The Holy Spirit will give spiritual discernment if you ask for it. Pay attention to the "catches" in your born again spirit. Prove from the Bible what is taught to you.

Matthew 24:4-51, Mark 13:5-37,

Re the pretrib contentions nowadays. I have a controversy with this for when a young Christian I was reproved of beloved *FATHER GOD* for some aggression in my walk. I was so moved, ashamed & repentant to think I was bruising others after experiencing much bruising attitudes and sad handling of situations through life till 52 years old when I finally confronted my Mother. "Mum, I have always though you did not like me." An immediate response was. " Edwin, how could you say such a thing!" "Well, thats the way Ive always felt." I answered. Again her quick answer was. "I can prove you were a wanted child, as I wanted 7 boys and you were number 5." Then as though conviction came upon her, she bowed her head saying. "OH Ed, I am sorry, I did neglect you." Resulting in her humbly accompanying me to Church of CHRIST NZ Mt Roskill, and her returning to her early Christianity. At death she said: "I said to GOD. I must be the proudest woman alive."Then with a grin. "I think *HE* said. "Dont be proud Jean, you are not." Loved that ! Brought up as atheists. Our *FATHER GOD* with infinite understanding foreseeing my response to the aggression reproof gave me three vivid dreams, clearly memorable to this day.

1/ We lived next to a catholic famly and a great wind storm came from the east to the west and I was blown horizontal, on our side holding onto a post of the fence between our two properties while all sorts of objects flew past me.

2/ A group of people complete with backpacks waiting on the northern grass siding of the Riverhead Road. Dad approached me from across the road. I noted his bright eyed face. Sparks fell around us as we lifted heavenward. Malachi 4:3. Rev 6:11. *GODS*wrathful DAYafter sifting tribulations.

3/ I was sitting in a round craft above the earth, two beings looking over the edge and one said to the other."Theres another one." As I looked to my right in the distance I could see the city of GOD bordered with a rainbow. Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27 GBU.

Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.

I personally haven't found any that say that.

2Thessalonians 2, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37,

Revelation 16,

I believe that comes from a guy named Bob Jones that said that. A few other people have said that would happen. I watched a few videos about what they call "the perfect storm".

I personally witnessed, during a hurricane years ago a tree was uprooted & floated down stream in flooding water until it was stuck up under a bridge; caused the flooding creek, to flood in reverse: because of debris that was caught by tree, limbs, roots etc. blocked the flow. Other Hurricanes have recorded winds & other causes doing that to The Mississippi River & other rivers, during past decade. These events they speak of are supposed to be major events. It however doesn't seem to be necessarily noted in scripture except for miracles that GOD used for Israelites to pass through. Exodus 14:26-29, Joshua 3:13-16, Joshua 4:7,18,23, Joshua 5:1, & Prophets: 2Kings 2:8,14,

Hopefully this is helpful

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Beautifully put. I believe some misunderstand, the "Coming of The LORD, Return of The LORD, THE Day of The LORD " as I did also, as dearly loved fellowship of Believers would pray for it. Maybe by Philippians 3:20, eagerly awaiting, & Colossians 4:2, That misinterpreted.

Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,

People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.

However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,

Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,

Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,

2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,

We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example

Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,

We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.

Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,

Psalms 102:17, * James 5,

Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool

1Thessalonians 4,

Mark 13:4-37, Matthew 24:2-51, Revelation 1:7,

Tribulation definition online: "a cause of great trouble or suffering"

Deuteronomy 4:29,30,31, 1Samuel 26:24, Matthew 13:20-21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 8:35-39, Romans 12:12, 2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 2Thessalonians 1:6, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 2:9,10,22,

There seems to be a difference between tribulation & The great Tribulation,

Matthew 24:21, Romans 2, Revelation 7:14,

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Yes! You are Correct.

The 7th Trumpet Will Sound First.

Then The Dead In Christ Shall Rise (Come Out Of) Their Graves.

And They (The Risen Dead) Shall Appear Unto Many Of Us. Matt.27:53

Then: We which Are Alive And Remain (On The Earth):

Shall Be Caught Up (In Excitment) Together With Them In The Clouds.

In The Clouds? Ezek.3816 / Hebrew.12:1 / Isaiah 60:8

Who Are These that Fly As A Cloud To Their Windows?

God Likens People To Clouds.

So: We (Clouds) Shall Be Caught Up (In Excitement) Together With Those

(Clouds) Who Have Risen Out Of Their Graves And Walk Among Us.

And We Will All Meet The Lord In The Air.

In The Air? (In The Air Waves) In Cyber Space.

Back To Isaiah 60:8 Who Are These That Fly As A Cloud To Their Windows?

Their Windows?

Their Computer Screens: Windows 9 / Windows 10 / Windows 11

Who Are They That Fly (Rush / Hurry) To Their Windows?

They Are God's Children Who Are Eagerly Waiting For Their Lord's Return To Earth.

Jesus is Going To Come Back "To" The Earth. He Is "Not Going To Hover" In The Heavens "And Wait" For All Of His Children To Fly Up To Where He Is.

And So (In This Way) Shall We Ever Be With The Lord.

In This Way? (Via Internet) Every Eye Shall See Him.

Re: Rapture? Nothing But Wishful Imaginations.

It Is Written in Hebrews 9:27

It Is Appointed Unto Men (People) Once To Die;

But After This The Judgement.

No-One Can Escape Their God-Given Appointment With Death.

Matt.24:13 / Mark 13:13

Ye Shall Be Hated Of All Men For My Name's Sake:

But He That Shall Endure (Persecution) Unto The End (Unto Death),

The Same Shall Be Saved.

Rev.6:11 White Robes were Given Unto Every One Of Them; And It was Said Unto Them, That They Should Rest Yet For A Little Season,

Until Their Fellowservants Also And Their Brethren, That Should Be Killed As They Were, Should Be Fulfilled.

2 Thess.2:3 Let No Man Deceive you By Any Means:

For That Day Shall Not Come, Except There Be A Falling Away First.

Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,

1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,

1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,

Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion

2Corinthians 9:8,

Isaiah 1:17, Deuteronomy 26:12,

Matthew 25:31-46, Malachi 3:5, Matthew 7, Matthew 26, Mark 14, Mark 13:34, 1Timothy 5:8, Jeremiah 7:5,6,7, Deuteronomy 24:19,20,21, Jeremiah 22:3,

John 6:29, 1Corinthians 3:14, 1Corinthians 15:58, 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, Exodus 22:22, Deuteronomy 24:17, Deuteronomy 16:14,

Romans 12:2,

* James 1:26-27, James 1:22-25, James 2:2-8, James 2:13,

* James 2:14-17,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Thank you Happy Resurrection Day to you :)

Unfortunately, the majority modern churches deny pretribulation rapture. It does indeed occur before the tribulation.

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." - Revelation 3:10

The hour of temptation are the events preceding the rapture which include the rising of the anti-christ and the mark of the beast. Many will misinterpret the above verse to mean something else. But it's clear God never intended for His church to suffer through the tribulation.

You'll see many comments after my post by those who've accepted modern preaching of replacement theology. Don't let your heart be troubled or confused. I'll leave God's Word to conclude...

Mark 13:32-37, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

Please read Revelation 8, note also 8:6, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, note Revelation 10:7, 1Corinthians 15:52, 1Thessalonians 4:16, READ in context

Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Joel 2, Zephaniah 1, note: Zephaniah 1:14-17, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 1:7, Amos 5:18-20

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Not in Bible scripture however, I feel the idea in many ways is: Psalms 37, 2Corinthians 4, Noteably 2Corinthians 4:16,17, 1Peter 4:7,12,13, 1Peter 4:17-19, 2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 2Thessalonians 1, Psalms 30:5, James 5:10-11, Psalms 62:5, Proverbs 20:22,

Romans 8:24-39

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 24:6, Mark 13:7, James 4:1-3,

Psalms 46:9,

Psalms 37,

Jesus talked several times of false prophets, and false Christ's throughout his ministry, and we're just seeing the results of what he was talking about. 1 John 4:1-21 tells us to try the spirits, and gives us some guidance as to trying the spirits and what to be aware of.

Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

2 Corinthians 11:13-15, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Hey Philip Murray,

I agree there is not any scripture that states at any time anyone goes to heaven. And Jesus is the only one who has gone to heaven from where He came John 3:13. Scriptures have been used to create a beautiful picture with the premise of not having to go through the tribulation that is coming but will be taken to heaven, adding a return of Jesus before His second coming.

There are several names Morgan Edwards, Edward Irving, a teenage girl in the lowlands of Scotland named Margaret MacDonald, and more, but spread by John Darby, and C.I. Scofield with the study bible with footnotes helped promote the doctrine. This is a deception I feel that Satan is behind, for those who are still living at the end (my opinion).

Where is in the air? Is it heaven? In Strong's 109 air (The air, lower air we breathe). In Strong's 3772 air Heavens, the visible heavens, the atmosphere, the sky, the starry heavens, the spiritual heavens. The word air 109 was used in 1Thessalonians 4:17 and seems as it says, it's no higher than the clouds. Now, this is a gathering in the air-breathing sky. Jesus will reign on this earth and also the elect, Revelation 11:15 2 Thimothy 2:12 Revelation 5:10 on earth not in heaven and on the new earth Revelation 21:1 Revelation 22:1-5.

No scripture says we are taken up to heaven after we meet Jesus but there is the scripture that says where Jesus goes when He returns. On that day His feet will stand Zechariah 14:4, He will send His angels to gather the elect, after the tribulation, Matthew 24:29-31 Mark 13:24-27. The earth is round, and the elect will be global when gathered will be in the air going to meet Jesus.

I could say more but it is up to us individually to pray and study for the understanding what is the truth led by the Holy Spirit. Consider the context when you study.

God bless,

RLW

I'm not sure what you're saying, but it seems to me you have so much disputting around you, you feel it's spiritual attack "jump on" you.

1st , Matthew 5:10-16, Luke 12:52,53, * 1Peter 4,

2nd, Ephesians 6:11-18, Matthew 10:1, Mark 9:28,29, Matthew 17:21,

3rd Matthew 10:8-42, Matthew 12:30, Matthew 26:55,59, Matthew 27:1, Mark 3:6, Mark 13:9-13,

4tu, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5, Psalms 37,

5th, Mark 11:25, Matthew 6:47-49, Luke 17:3,4,

Even Jesus had to stop disputes with believers : John 12:7,

Amerika now a dayes back up Israel. Like NATO. but it is too much confusion today. Antichrist is here Mark 13:22

We all need too pray that all our ppl will be saved in His Holy Name Jesus, love u in Christ.

Luke 12

Hey Jamie,

My understanding is, this is the deception of deceptions and will cause the great falling away, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Part of this deception is that the great tribulation and the wrath of God are taught as being the same thing. We must understand the wrath of God comes after the second coming of Jesus not before. Matthew 24:29-31 Mark 13:24-27.

It developed in the 17th Century, and it quickly led to an understanding that the rapture of the church would be an event separate from and before the second coming of Christ. It was made popular by John Darby, and he is thought by many to be the originator but not. C.I. Scofield, with the study bible with footnotes, helped promote this doctrine of man. It started as pre-tribulation and still mostly believed in.

We as humans sometimes look for the easy way out, and many preachers oblige to fill the money plate that makes merchandise of people, 2 Peter 2:3. Scripture does not say we will be spared tribulation it says the opposite, Acts 14:22 John 16:33. It is debated that although all Christians go through some tribulation, there is yet a great tribulation to come those true believers will not have to undergo. So, who are these, Revelation 7:13-14 Revelation 20:4

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The mark and saving our physical life is the temptation, that so many don't believe they will be here to face, that is the great deception. Keep from does not mean we will be spared from being killed it means to spiritually guard (watch), keep intact, Hebrews 3:6. The believers in Jesus in the past were not spared being beheaded, burnt on a stake, fed to the lions, why should we.

God bless,

RLW

Please read Revelation 9, 10, Daniel 7, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, 2Timothy 2:3, 1 Thessalonians 4, 2Thessalonians 2