We think mainly of Jesus dying on the cross as the Passover Lamb. But how about all the other animal sacrifices that the law required? If we look closer, we can see what all Jesus fulfilled that day. This Passover day started when the sun went down and Jesus and His 12 gathered together for the Last Supper.
After midnight they went into the garden of Gethsemane from there Jesus was betrayed by a friend, Psalm 41:9 and more, taken to Annas and then Caiaphas, and then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him.
At the same time, a priest was selected to carry a wooden beam on his shoulders up the ramp to light the fire of the altar of sacrifice. The first Tamid lamb was brought up and tied to the altar and inspected to make sure it did not have any blemishes.
Jesus was nailed to the cross and stood up on the 3rd hour 9 AM, Mark 15:25, the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and put on the altar of sacrifice on the 3rd hour 9 AM the first hour of prayer. All the sacrifices of the people were placed on top of the first Tamid lamb. The 2nd hour of prayer is the 6th hour, noon, Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
The 3rd hour of prayer coincided with the evening sacrifice, at the 9th hour 3 PM when the last Tamid lamb was sacrificed and put on top of all the sacrifices of the people done that day. This was the exact time Jesus cried out and said it was finished Mark 15:34John 19:30.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son and just before he did, God provided a ram for Isaac, and on that day the 14th of Nisan God provided Himself another Lamb, His only begotten Son sacrificed for us. Jesus also carried the wood for his sacrifice. Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices, not just down to the day, but to the very hour itself.
In John 12:1-16 this is 6 days before Passover and Jesus rides into Jerusalem the next day which would be the 10th, the day the lambs are taken up five days before Passover day which is called today Palm Sunday.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49John 12:1 through John 19:37.
On the 1st day of the week, we call Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem and returned to Bethany in the evening to lodge.
The second day shows Jesus going to Jerusalem and returning to Bethany.
The third day is two days before Passover Matthew 26:2Mark 14:1.
On the fourth day, Judas makes the deal to betray Jesus and toward the end of the day, the disciples ask him where he wants them to prepare to eat the Passover. God commanded it to be eaten inside the city walls but they did not eat the Passover, Luke 22:15-16.
When the sun went down the fourth day what we call Wednesday is the beginning of Passover day the 14th of Nisan the day the Passover lambs are killed, Mark 14:12Luke 22:7. What confuses things is then and now Passover day and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is referred to as an eight-day feast. Passover day is a preparation day for the seven-day feast of Unleavened Bread not part of the seven-day feast.
The lambs were killed on the 14th in the evening, the time when the sun starts to go down, any time after noon and before the sun sets. The Passover is eaten the night of the 15th the first day of the seven-day feast which is a holy convocation/Sabbath Exodus 12:8 the same night they went out of Egypt not on Passover day.
The Lord's Supper and the crucifixion were on Passover day the fifth day from when Jesus rode into Jerusalem which would make that the 5th day of the week we call Thursday.
I can empathize with what you shared and so well articulated. I prayed for you.
You requested prayer and might not expect or want a reply but would like to share a couple verses that come to mind.
If I were to summarize what I read it's you assume God should fix your obstacles in life and since He hasn't yet, maybe He doesn't exist, is that close?
If so, I would first ask where this believe originates from. If we use the Bible as our source for who God is and how He operates, I don't get the sense that He would do what you're expecting. Even Jesus didn't get what He wanted- remember when He cried out on the cross?
"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Mark 15:34 KJV
Now let's consider the #1 Christian evangelist: Paul. He faced misery and extreme hardship.
2 Corinthians 11:
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
But he says he's found the secret of contentment and it has nothing to do with our circumstances! How is this possible? What is the secret? Philippians 4:10-13
1 Peter 4:12-13 - this says don't be surprised when you're facing huge trials like you're facing right now. Life is a test with almost non-stop trials, in my opinion.
How hard are you currently praying for help, how hard are you seeking God, how much are you reading in His Word? Could you seek input from people in person, like a church minister, or video chat online?
God made Jesus Lord, Acts 2:36, made is thee Greek word ginomai that means to come into being, to happen, to become. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world and this Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:19-20Revelation 13:8, foreordained the Greek word proginosko means to know beforehand to appoint or decree beforehand.
I see too many Scriptures that do not agree with the doctrine. I hope this makes sense. This is Scripture without man's knowledge or wisdom 1 Corinthians 1:22Jeremiah 10:10 10 Malachi 2:10Mark 12:32
Paul wrote these; Romans 3:30Romans 15:61 Corinthians 8:62 Corinthians 1:32 Corinthians 11:31Ephesians 1:3Ephesians 1:17Ephesians 3:14Ephesians 4:6Colossians 1:31 Timothy 2:5
Peter wrote this; 1 Peter 1:3
These are Jesus's words Himself; Matthew 27:46 Same in Mark 15:34John 14:28John 17:3John 20:17Revelation 3:12
What this says to me, there is only one true God who is the God and Father of Jesus,
These Scriptures are clear without our wisdom or knowledge do not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity. I do thank you and again I hope you do not consider me a Gnostic that would be sad, they are more of a philosophical like the immortal soul came from Greek philosophy, I am believer and follower of Jesus our Lord and savior.
Why is it so hard to accept that God in His omniscience had control of the writing, copying and translation of His word from the beginning to be sure we have the finished KJB today being the only infallible truth, the ONLY one written by the Holy Ghost? God is a powerful, almighty God and there is no place with Him for those whose corrupt His Word. Rev. 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Just a couple of examples.
Rev. 13: 8 KJB "And I beheld, and heard an ANGEL (my emphasis) flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"
NIV "As I watched, I heard an EAGLE that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"
Mark 15: 28 NIV omits this verse which speaks of a prophecy of the Messiah being fulfilled by Jesus. This dilutes the deity of Christ.
Luke 4:8 KJB "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
NIV Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' " Again, dilutes the deity of Christ and His power to rebuke satan.
"if you use them, you trust them to be accurate, even if what they say is different from what God's translation says," All scripture is God breathed" This is circular reasoning. If you use them they must be right and they are right because you use them so they must all be God breathed. "God breathed" is not referring to the 200+ English translations out there. The changes made may be insignificant to you but not to God. Rev 22: 18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." A very profound WARNING. God had His hand in the copying and translating of His Word from the very beginning, to be sure it remained pure, to the time of the finished KJB which He always intended for modern man to have. The authors were directed by the Holy Spirit totally. God's omniscience does this. Rev. 13:8 the KJB talks about an angle, in the NIV the word angle was changed to EAGLE. Luke 4:8 KJB "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." NIV "Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" This dilutes the Omnipotent attribute of Christ. Mark 15:28 NIV omits this verse which speaks of a prophecy of the Messiah being fulfilled by Jesus. This, also, dilutes the deity of Christ. There are so, so many more of these examples and they do matter to our understanding of what God's true word teaches us. As believers we must be able to trust the "Inspired Word of God" to the fullest. Reading the TRUE word of God can lead to the salvation of a soul but reading false doctrine certainly won't. God Bless :)
Mark 11:26 KJV: But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 NIV: The verse is omitted completely. I will comment though, that within Mark 11:25, the same meaning is expressed, i.e. if one does not forgive, neither will God forgive.
More relevant though, again is the footnote in the NIV: "This verse is not found in the earliest and best manuscripts of the NT, probably having been inserted from MT 6:15"; which IS included in the NIV. This means it's quite possible, or highly probable that the KJV copyists added it to coincide with Matthew.
But it is obvious that the NIV translators had no malice or corrupt motives with this passage, as you are suggesting.
Next; Mark 15:28 KJV: And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Mark 15:28 NIV: This verse is also omitted.
NIV footnote: "The earlier and more reliable Greek manuscripts do not have this verse. It was probably added from LK 22:37 (quoting Isa 53:12). Mark does not include many OT quotations."
The NIV copyists appear to put forth great effort as to why they chose to delete this verse, and in the text note they say that, "some manuscripts; v28 And the scripture was fulfilled which says, " He was counted with the lawless ones" ( Isaiah 53:12)."
I do not want anyone to have the impression that I'm attempting to prove the KJV translations are incorrect. On the contrary, my original intent was to respond to you questioning some passages in the modern Bible versions. With genuine respect, you may consider choosing to look into the footnotes and text notes of some of these versions. I wish I had time to reply to the numerous passages you've brought to the attention to those on this site. Perhaps now you may want to do so on your own.
the chiefpriest discussed with there elders about jesus and then they decided to bring him to pilates and when they where there pilates said if he was de king of jews and then they said that he said it and then the chief priest accused jesus of alot of things
and he did not say anything then pilate asked Jesus and he did not awnser and then pilate said unto the people wich one should i let free Jesus or barabus they awnserd barabus and he then said what should i do to him and then they said for him to get crucifyd and he asked the same question again and they anwserd the same for him to get crucifyd and then pilates said what evil has he done and they did not reply they where shouting for him to be crucifyd and then the soldiers led him away they put a crown of thorns on his head they clothe him with purple clothes and then he got mocked and smote his head with a reed and then they removed the purple clothes and put him his own clothes on and when he was carrying the cross somebody came and help him carry it and then he was crucifyd with 2 other thieves and then the veil of the temple was teared from top to bottom and then when jesus died they gave the body to joseph and he wrapped him in fine linen and put him on top of a sepulchre
It appears; after looking at the KJV and another translation that Peter was simply to be used by God as a vessel to reach the Gentiles. There were individuals such as the Centurion at the crucifixion ( Mark 15:39) who truly believed; this would also be the case for the Samaritan woman at the well earlier (half Jew and half Gentile) in John 4; the Roman Centurion whose faith was great according to Christ when his daughter was healed in Luke 7:9; where Christ stated that He had hadn't seen such faith in all Israel.
We also; of course see individuals such as Nebuchadnezzar who was converted in charge of Babylon; a pagan nation as well as individuals assimilated in such as the mixed multitude in Exodus; Ruth and Rahab; and likely Naaman the Syrian not to mention for a time the population of Nineveh; at least in momentary repentance.
There was a time earlier when Jesus instructed the Disciples to only preach to the lost sheep of Israel ( Matt. 10:5-6). However; in the case of the woman praying for her daughter; the only other individual Jesus stated had great faith and also a Gentile went though a discourse in Matthew 15:26-27 and then her prayers were answered. This appears on the surface to be cruel; but Jesus was drawing her out; and this allowed His glory to be put on display and signifies to us for all time perseverance.
Acts 18:6 shows a similar pattern with Paul after he had more than worn out his welcome in preaching Christ in their midst. Now; Israel will have to wait until the Lord's return for all of the cities of Israel to be reached ( Matt. 10:23). Thus; until the "fullness of the Gentiles come in" ( Romans 11:25) Israel is blind in part.
These things are according to God's pattern; and eventually will fulfill verses such as Isaiah 56:7 when in God's Holy mount; there will be a place for prayer for all nations. Mark 11:17 shows how the Jews themselves failed in understanding their own destiny by making a marketplace in the Temple as a mockery.
Did Jesus eat the Passover? Tradition or scripture? Does it matter? For study not to offend.
Passover Day when the lambs were killed is the 14th of Abib/Nisan. Exodus 12:3-33Leviticus 23:5Numbers 33:1-3Mark 14:12Luke 22:7
The 15th of Abib/Nisan is the first day of the 7-day Unleavened Bread Feast, first day and the last day are Sabbath days, it starts at sundown and is when they ate the Passover and after midnight they left Egypt. Numbers 33:1-3Deuteronomy 16:1-8
From the Last Supper to the burial, Matt. 26:17-75Matt. 27:1-61Mark 14:12-72Mark 15:1-47 Luke 22:1-71Luke 23:1-56John 13:1-38 through John 19:1-42.
This day started at sunset. On this day we have Jesus and his disciples going into the guest chamber, they ate a meal, Jesus initiated the New Covenant, they sang songs, Jesus washed their feet, and they were there for hours. They went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed, Judas came with the priests and a band of men and officers,
They took Jesus to Annias and Caiaphas and was judged. Then early that morning they took Him to Pilate and Herod and back and they said crucify Him. They nailed Jesus to the cross the 3rd hour, 9 AM, Jesus died at the 9th hour, 3 PM, and was put in the tomb, all this in one day, before the sunset, the 14th of Abib/Nisan Passover day.
In Luke 22:14-16 Jesus told them He was not going to eat this Passover with them. In John 18:28 they would not go in the hall, they would be defiled because they have not eaten the Passover, and later that day they had to catch the blood and put it on the altar.
The Passover meal was eaten after sunset and before midnight, the 15th of Abib/Nisan, Jesus was in the tomb.
Jesus was the Passover Lamb and the First and the Last. He was nailed to the cross at the same time the first Tamid Lamb was sacrificed, all the sin sacrifices were put on top and He died at the same time the last Tamid Lamb was sacrificed and put on top.
"42And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath(FRIDAY), 43Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Mark 16:1-2,
"1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2And very early in the morning the first day of the week(SUNDAY), they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."
Psalm 38. In Job 2:7-8 we see a similar situation as to David's disease with the physical effects and the disdain of others as to his state. (see verse 11 in this Psalm comparted with Job 30:10).
The first seven verses describe physical affliction which could have been caused by David's sin (such as venereal disease which was discussed in an earlier Psalm). Once we get past verse 7; we see much in the description of the alientation and sufferings of Christ; except for the mention of verse 18 and David's sin and iniquity. Christ did have to suffer to deliver us from wrath by being the sin-bearer and hence again there is a dual representation here of David's life and the prophetic future of Christ. Jesus; of course asked why the Father had foresaken him in Mark 15:34. This can tie into Psalm 22 as well as verse 21 of this Psalm.
We see other indications such as verse 17 on Christ being the "man of sorrows" ( Isaiah 53:3); and his being silent as a sheep before it's shearers (v. 13 and 14 compared with further on in Isaiah 53:7). This; of course would reflect his inquisition for a time before Pilate ( John 19:8-11).
These passages show us that there are often several types of Psalms in one as well as multiple present and future applications. Prophecy in Messianic themes can be intertwined with impreccatory Psalms; for instance. The general idea of the meek inheriting the earth show us how a king (David and or Christ) can be exalted through a serving capacity; and indeed those who are bearing fruit and growing in faith are promised to be kings and priests someday (See Rev. 1:6).
Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23, is where you can find the reference. Luke 23: Matthew 27:38,44, Mark 15:27,28, Luke 23:32-43, one became a believer, & received into Paradise
Hello Josephine. All we have on John's exile is what we read in Revelation 1:9: "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ."
So, it seems that for his strong Christian witness & preaching that he suffered exile. According to the Church historian, Eusebius, John was pastoring the Church at Ephesus. During the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), Christians were heavily persecuted & the Apostle John was banished to Patmos to live out his life there & die. It was noted that undesirables in the Roman Empire were often sent to Patmos to work the mines. John remained here for eighteen months, after which the next emperor, Nerva, released all exiles. Tradition holds that John then returned to the believers at Ephesus, but died soon afterwards at the turn of the century.
One evangelist gives some details that the other doesn't. So it seems in the beginning they both mocked Jesus. But as time passed by, one of them was moved by Jesus' behavior on the cross and changed his mind. God's provision allowed for four gospels to be written, so that one complements the others and we have the full story..GBU
Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.
Matthew 27:62-64
"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."
Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."
John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.
About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.
If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.
What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.
"The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday
Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")
So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.
Two versions two witnesses only say what they heard one heard one thing other hear something else . Only say what they hear that's why some differences in Gospels . You are witness in court must tell truth and only say what you hear and see . You see one thing someone else see something bit different from different angle . Matthew Mark Luke and John just four of many witness only say what they saw and heard . One thing happen four people see and hear from different angles .
Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words
We think mainly of Jesus dying on the cross as the Passover Lamb. But how about all the other animal sacrifices that the law required? If we look closer, we can see what all Jesus fulfilled that day. This Passover day started when the sun went down and Jesus and His 12 gathered together for the Last Supper.
After midnight they went into the garden of Gethsemane from there Jesus was betrayed by a friend, Psalm 41:9 and more, taken to Annas and then Caiaphas, and then early that morning to Pilate to be judged where no fault was found in Him.
At the same time, a priest was selected to carry a wooden beam on his shoulders up the ramp to light the fire of the altar of sacrifice. The first Tamid lamb was brought up and tied to the altar and inspected to make sure it did not have any blemishes.
Jesus was nailed to the cross and stood up on the 3rd hour 9 AM, Mark 15:25, the first Tamid lamb was sacrificed and put on the altar of sacrifice on the 3rd hour 9 AM the first hour of prayer. All the sacrifices of the people were placed on top of the first Tamid lamb. The 2nd hour of prayer is the 6th hour, noon, Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
The 3rd hour of prayer coincided with the evening sacrifice, at the 9th hour 3 PM when the last Tamid lamb was sacrificed and put on top of all the sacrifices of the people done that day. This was the exact time Jesus cried out and said it was finished Mark 15:34 John 19:30.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son and just before he did, God provided a ram for Isaac, and on that day the 14th of Nisan God provided Himself another Lamb, His only begotten Son sacrificed for us. Jesus also carried the wood for his sacrifice. Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices, not just down to the day, but to the very hour itself.
God bless,
RLW
In John 12:1-16 this is 6 days before Passover and Jesus rides into Jerusalem the next day which would be the 10th, the day the lambs are taken up five days before Passover day which is called today Palm Sunday.
Each day is recorded in Matthew 21 through Matthew 27:56 Mark 11:1 through Mark 15:41 Luke 19:28 through Luke 23:49 John 12:1 through John 19:37.
On the 1st day of the week, we call Sunday, Jesus rode into Jerusalem and returned to Bethany in the evening to lodge.
The second day shows Jesus going to Jerusalem and returning to Bethany.
The third day is two days before Passover Matthew 26:2 Mark 14:1.
On the fourth day, Judas makes the deal to betray Jesus and toward the end of the day, the disciples ask him where he wants them to prepare to eat the Passover. God commanded it to be eaten inside the city walls but they did not eat the Passover, Luke 22:15-16.
When the sun went down the fourth day what we call Wednesday is the beginning of Passover day the 14th of Nisan the day the Passover lambs are killed, Mark 14:12 Luke 22:7. What confuses things is then and now Passover day and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is referred to as an eight-day feast. Passover day is a preparation day for the seven-day feast of Unleavened Bread not part of the seven-day feast.
The lambs were killed on the 14th in the evening, the time when the sun starts to go down, any time after noon and before the sun sets. The Passover is eaten the night of the 15th the first day of the seven-day feast which is a holy convocation/Sabbath Exodus 12:8 the same night they went out of Egypt not on Passover day.
The Lord's Supper and the crucifixion were on Passover day the fifth day from when Jesus rode into Jerusalem which would make that the 5th day of the week we call Thursday.
God bless,
RLW
I can empathize with what you shared and so well articulated. I prayed for you.
You requested prayer and might not expect or want a reply but would like to share a couple verses that come to mind.
If I were to summarize what I read it's you assume God should fix your obstacles in life and since He hasn't yet, maybe He doesn't exist, is that close?
If so, I would first ask where this believe originates from. If we use the Bible as our source for who God is and how He operates, I don't get the sense that He would do what you're expecting. Even Jesus didn't get what He wanted- remember when He cried out on the cross?
"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Mark 15:34 KJV
Now let's consider the #1 Christian evangelist: Paul. He faced misery and extreme hardship.
2 Corinthians 11:
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
But he says he's found the secret of contentment and it has nothing to do with our circumstances! How is this possible? What is the secret? Philippians 4:10-13
1 Peter 4:12-13 - this says don't be surprised when you're facing huge trials like you're facing right now. Life is a test with almost non-stop trials, in my opinion.
How hard are you currently praying for help, how hard are you seeking God, how much are you reading in His Word? Could you seek input from people in person, like a church minister, or video chat online?
Part 2
God made Jesus Lord, Acts 2:36, made is thee Greek word ginomai that means to come into being, to happen, to become. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world and this Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:19-20 Revelation 13:8, foreordained the Greek word proginosko means to know beforehand to appoint or decree beforehand.
I see too many Scriptures that do not agree with the doctrine. I hope this makes sense. This is Scripture without man's knowledge or wisdom 1 Corinthians 1:22 Jeremiah 10:10 10 Malachi 2:10 Mark 12:32
Paul wrote these; Romans 3:30 Romans 15:6 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 3:14 Ephesians 4:6 Colossians 1:3 1 Timothy 2:5
Peter wrote this; 1 Peter 1:3
These are Jesus's words Himself; Matthew 27:46 Same in Mark 15:34 John 14:28 John 17:3 John 20:17 Revelation 3:12
What this says to me, there is only one true God who is the God and Father of Jesus,
These Scriptures are clear without our wisdom or knowledge do not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity. I do thank you and again I hope you do not consider me a Gnostic that would be sad, they are more of a philosophical like the immortal soul came from Greek philosophy, I am believer and follower of Jesus our Lord and savior.
God bless,
RLW
Just a couple of examples.
Rev. 13: 8 KJB "And I beheld, and heard an ANGEL (my emphasis) flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"
NIV "As I watched, I heard an EAGLE that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"
Mark 15: 28 NIV omits this verse which speaks of a prophecy of the Messiah being fulfilled by Jesus. This dilutes the deity of Christ.
Luke 4:8 KJB "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
NIV Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' " Again, dilutes the deity of Christ and His power to rebuke satan.
God Bless :)
Ok, I'll comment on the two passages from Mark.
Mark 11:26 KJV: But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 NIV: The verse is omitted completely. I will comment though, that within Mark 11:25, the same meaning is expressed, i.e. if one does not forgive, neither will God forgive.
More relevant though, again is the footnote in the NIV: "This verse is not found in the earliest and best manuscripts of the NT, probably having been inserted from MT 6:15"; which IS included in the NIV. This means it's quite possible, or highly probable that the KJV copyists added it to coincide with Matthew.
But it is obvious that the NIV translators had no malice or corrupt motives with this passage, as you are suggesting.
Next; Mark 15:28 KJV: And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Mark 15:28 NIV: This verse is also omitted.
NIV footnote: "The earlier and more reliable Greek manuscripts do not have this verse. It was probably added from LK 22:37 (quoting Isa 53:12). Mark does not include many OT quotations."
The NIV copyists appear to put forth great effort as to why they chose to delete this verse, and in the text note they say that, "some manuscripts; v28 And the scripture was fulfilled which says, " He was counted with the lawless ones" ( Isaiah 53:12)."
I do not want anyone to have the impression that I'm attempting to prove the KJV translations are incorrect. On the contrary, my original intent was to respond to you questioning some passages in the modern Bible versions. With genuine respect, you may consider choosing to look into the footnotes and text notes of some of these versions. I wish I had time to reply to the numerous passages you've brought to the attention to those on this site. Perhaps now you may want to do so on your own.
I have never seen a modern version that says "yet". Try "Bible Hub" to see the differences in all Bibles.
I honestly don't think a "footnote" in a corrupt bible is going to be your best option for the Truth.
If God preserved His Inspired Words in the KJB, and He did.
That means all modern version bibles are corrupt, (they are not sound doctrine) as in ( 2 Tim 4:3-4)
I am just a little curious One eighty if you don't mind answering a couple of questions about your Niv bible,
1st. In your Niv bible (who killed Goliath) in ( 2 Samuel 21:19)?
2nd. Was the (scripture fulfilled) in ( Mark 15:28) in your Niv bible?
Thank you One eighty.
Blessings to you.
and he did not say anything then pilate asked Jesus and he did not awnser and then pilate said unto the people wich one should i let free Jesus or barabus they awnserd barabus and he then said what should i do to him and then they said for him to get crucifyd and he asked the same question again and they anwserd the same for him to get crucifyd and then pilates said what evil has he done and they did not reply they where shouting for him to be crucifyd and then the soldiers led him away they put a crown of thorns on his head they clothe him with purple clothes and then he got mocked and smote his head with a reed and then they removed the purple clothes and put him his own clothes on and when he was carrying the cross somebody came and help him carry it and then he was crucifyd with 2 other thieves and then the veil of the temple was teared from top to bottom and then when jesus died they gave the body to joseph and he wrapped him in fine linen and put him on top of a sepulchre
We also; of course see individuals such as Nebuchadnezzar who was converted in charge of Babylon; a pagan nation as well as individuals assimilated in such as the mixed multitude in Exodus; Ruth and Rahab; and likely Naaman the Syrian not to mention for a time the population of Nineveh; at least in momentary repentance.
There was a time earlier when Jesus instructed the Disciples to only preach to the lost sheep of Israel ( Matt. 10:5-6). However; in the case of the woman praying for her daughter; the only other individual Jesus stated had great faith and also a Gentile went though a discourse in Matthew 15:26-27 and then her prayers were answered. This appears on the surface to be cruel; but Jesus was drawing her out; and this allowed His glory to be put on display and signifies to us for all time perseverance.
Acts 18:6 shows a similar pattern with Paul after he had more than worn out his welcome in preaching Christ in their midst. Now; Israel will have to wait until the Lord's return for all of the cities of Israel to be reached ( Matt. 10:23). Thus; until the "fullness of the Gentiles come in" ( Romans 11:25) Israel is blind in part.
These things are according to God's pattern; and eventually will fulfill verses such as Isaiah 56:7 when in God's Holy mount; there will be a place for prayer for all nations. Mark 11:17 shows how the Jews themselves failed in understanding their own destiny by making a marketplace in the Temple as a mockery.
Matthew 27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? THEY ALL SAY UNTO HIM, LET HIM BE CRUCIFIED.
Matthew 27:25 THEN ANSWERED ALL THE PEOPLE, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
also Mark 15:8-15
Through out the gospel the multitude rejected him.
only a few followed and the wasn't totally convinced until after the resurrection.
I believe we covered much considering I can't participate as much as I would like too.
I will continue on what I was working on with the Millennium kingdom and the approach to it later when time permits.
As usual it's been a great discussion with you.
God bless.
Jesus himself says he has a God and has a Father.
Ephesians 4:6 ...and Father of ALL, even Jesus.
2 Corinthians 11:31 The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ .....
Ephesians 1:3 ...the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ ...
1 Peter 1:3 ...the God and Father of Jesus Christ ..
If Jesus has a God, and Jesus is a God, then there are 2 Gods, not 1.
There One because Christ is the BODY of HIS GOD.
If Jesus was the same God, as God, he wouldn't have to turn the kingdom back to the God who gave it to him.
Psalms 22:1 My God, MY God, why has thou forsaken me ...
Mark 15:34 .... My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me.
Was Christ crying out to himself.
Did not Christ, a God, have to be raise by the Spirit of God?
Christ himself said, I of myself can do nothing .....
The words are my Father's words
If he were the same God, as his God, he could speak his on words.
We have all been deceived, just like Revelation says, by mans teachings, and it's hard to repent from those teachings and believe what God says.
God bless you.
Passover Day when the lambs were killed is the 14th of Abib/Nisan. Exodus 12:3-33 Leviticus 23:5 Numbers 33:1-3 Mark 14:12 Luke 22:7
The 15th of Abib/Nisan is the first day of the 7-day Unleavened Bread Feast, first day and the last day are Sabbath days, it starts at sundown and is when they ate the Passover and after midnight they left Egypt. Numbers 33:1-3 Deuteronomy 16:1-8
From the Last Supper to the burial, Matt. 26:17-75 Matt. 27:1-61 Mark 14:12-72 Mark 15:1-47 Luke 22:1-71 Luke 23:1-56 John 13:1-38 through John 19:1-42.
This day started at sunset. On this day we have Jesus and his disciples going into the guest chamber, they ate a meal, Jesus initiated the New Covenant, they sang songs, Jesus washed their feet, and they were there for hours. They went to Gethsemane where Jesus prayed, Judas came with the priests and a band of men and officers,
They took Jesus to Annias and Caiaphas and was judged. Then early that morning they took Him to Pilate and Herod and back and they said crucify Him. They nailed Jesus to the cross the 3rd hour, 9 AM, Jesus died at the 9th hour, 3 PM, and was put in the tomb, all this in one day, before the sunset, the 14th of Abib/Nisan Passover day.
In Luke 22:14-16 Jesus told them He was not going to eat this Passover with them. In John 18:28 they would not go in the hall, they would be defiled because they have not eaten the Passover, and later that day they had to catch the blood and put it on the altar.
The Passover meal was eaten after sunset and before midnight, the 15th of Abib/Nisan, Jesus was in the tomb.
Jesus was the Passover Lamb and the First and the Last. He was nailed to the cross at the same time the first Tamid Lamb was sacrificed, all the sin sacrifices were put on top and He died at the same time the last Tamid Lamb was sacrificed and put on top.
Hopefully, this is enough to study.
God bless,
RLW
Advocate 1 John 2:1
Shephard & Bishop of souls I Peter 2:25
Man of sorrows Isa 53.3
Judge Acts 10:42
Faithful and True Witness Rev 3:14
Head of the Church Eph 5:23
Rock 1 Corth 10:4
High Priest Heb 6:20
Master Matt 8:19
Living Water John 4:10
Rose of Sharon Song of Solomon 2:1
Alpha and Omega Rev 22:13
Lamb of God John 1:29 Messiah Daniel 9:25
Mediator I Tim 2:5
Teacher John 3:2
Author and Finisher of our Faith Heb 12:2
Image of the invisible God Col 1:15
Everlasting Father Isa 9:6
The Word John 1:1
Holy One Mark 1:24
Light of the world John 8:12
Lion of the tribe of Judah Rev 5: 5
LORD OF LORDS I Tim 6:15
The Beloved Eph 1:6
Carpenter Mark 6:3 The Almighty Rev 21:
Shiloh Gen 49:10
The Way, the Truth and The Life John 14:16
Bright and Morning Star Rev 22:16
Good Shepherd John 10:11
Son of Man Matt 20:28
Only Begotten Son John 3:16
King Of Kings 1 Tim 6:15
Prince of Peace Isa 9:6
Bridegroom Matt 9:15
Dayspring Luke 1:78
Saviour of the world Eph 5:23
Immanuel Luke 1:78 & Matt 1:23
Wonderful Counselor Isa 9:6
I AM John 8:58
The Door John 10:9
The True Vine John 15:1
King of the Jews Mark 15:26
Prophet Matt 21:11
Redeemer Job 19:25
Saviour Isa 45:15 , John 42:2, 1 Tim 4:10
The Amen Rev 3:14
The Living God
Anchor Heb 6:19
The BRANCH Zech 6:12
Bread of Life John 6:15
The Resurrection & Life John 11.25
The Living God, who is the Saviour of all men,
"42And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath(FRIDAY), 43Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Mark 16:1-2,
"1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2And very early in the morning the first day of the week(SUNDAY), they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun."
James 1:5,
Exodus 20, Exodus 31:12-17, note Exodus 31:16,17, Exodus 35:1-2, Leviticus 16:29-34, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8,9,
Leviticus 25, Deuteronomy 5, Matthew 12, Matthew 28:1-9, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:52,53,54,56, John 19:31, Mark 1:21,
2Chronicles 36:20-21, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 17, Amos 8, Matthew 25:31-46, Mark 3:4, John 5:10,16 hypocrisy & cruelty, John 7:22,23, Malachi 3:5,
Nehemiah 10:31, Nehemiah 13:14-27, Isaiah 56,
Colossians 2:16,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study & Bible Study.
The first seven verses describe physical affliction which could have been caused by David's sin (such as venereal disease which was discussed in an earlier Psalm). Once we get past verse 7; we see much in the description of the alientation and sufferings of Christ; except for the mention of verse 18 and David's sin and iniquity. Christ did have to suffer to deliver us from wrath by being the sin-bearer and hence again there is a dual representation here of David's life and the prophetic future of Christ. Jesus; of course asked why the Father had foresaken him in Mark 15:34. This can tie into Psalm 22 as well as verse 21 of this Psalm.
We see other indications such as verse 17 on Christ being the "man of sorrows" ( Isaiah 53:3); and his being silent as a sheep before it's shearers (v. 13 and 14 compared with further on in Isaiah 53:7). This; of course would reflect his inquisition for a time before Pilate ( John 19:8-11).
These passages show us that there are often several types of Psalms in one as well as multiple present and future applications. Prophecy in Messianic themes can be intertwined with impreccatory Psalms; for instance. The general idea of the meek inheriting the earth show us how a king (David and or Christ) can be exalted through a serving capacity; and indeed those who are bearing fruit and growing in faith are promised to be kings and priests someday (See Rev. 1:6).
Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24, John 13:4-16, John 19:23,
Hopefully these are helpful
Hopefully these are helpful
So, it seems that for his strong Christian witness & preaching that he suffered exile. According to the Church historian, Eusebius, John was pastoring the Church at Ephesus. During the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), Christians were heavily persecuted & the Apostle John was banished to Patmos to live out his life there & die. It was noted that undesirables in the Roman Empire were often sent to Patmos to work the mines. John remained here for eighteen months, after which the next emperor, Nerva, released all exiles. Tradition holds that John then returned to the believers at Ephesus, but died soon afterwards at the turn of the century.
One evangelist gives some details that the other doesn't. So it seems in the beginning they both mocked Jesus. But as time passed by, one of them was moved by Jesus' behavior on the cross and changed his mind. God's provision allowed for four gospels to be written, so that one complements the others and we have the full story..GBU
I appreciate your response as well, but if you read both passages they differ in statements.
1 passage says both mocked or ridiculed him the other states only 1 mocked him.
With that being said read again for your self.
Now pertaining to my Salvation, It is the Blood of JESUS that has washed away all my sin.I acknowledge
that JESUS CHRIST is LORD, (GOD IN THE FLESH) and I have been Baptized(Full immersion).
Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.
Matthew 27:62-64
"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."
Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,
Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."
Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."
John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.
About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.
GBU
If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.
What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.
"The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday
Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")
So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.
GBU
40 But the other (prisoner) answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
It's never too late to be received by Jesus: death bed, battlefield or other perils. Call upon Him TODAY while He may be found.
All of heaven stands still when someone prays In The Name of Jesus. (per my grandmother)
May God welcome you. Read the Book of John 3
Thank you for for your explanation but there is more to it than that.
Mark 15:32 and Luke 3:29-43
Theses two scriptures seem to be pointing out a different picture. One verse states
both of the two crucified with CHRIST reviled him.
The other verse states one mocked him and the other called HIM LORD.
Somebody please explain
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words