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Thanks for pointing this out. I said yes! So many traditions ignore what the bible actually says.

Luke 8:2, Luke 8:1-4, the whole chapter is relevant actually to point out Jesus love for people deliverance, GOD's nature, Luke 8,

Mary Magdalene is mentioned: Mark 15:40-47, continues Mark 16:1-14, Matthew 27:55-56 (followed Jesus from Galilee), Matthew 27:59-61, Matthew 28:1-10, Luke 23:49-56 continues Luke 24:1-10,22-24, John 19:25,

Luke 10:38-42, John 20:1-18,

* John 11:1-8, John 11:1-45

* John 12:1-3,

Luke 7:36-50- Luke 8:1-3, same account?

John 12,

Hopefully you enjoy this study.

I felt led to add. Years ago, I actually tried to observe the Sabbath as a Christian who never had beforehand. I learned much

1. to observe a Sabbath: you really have to plan

2 someone has to prepare beforehand

3. Shop for things beforehand

4. It opened my understanding of the scripture & GOD's compassion

Here are multiple scriptures on the Sabbath :

Genesis 2:2,3 (set Sabbath apart), Exodus 16:19-30 (significant differece on Sabbath) , * Exodus 23:11, Exodus 20:11 (blessed & set apart), * Exodus 23:12, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 34:21, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:29-34 (atonement), Leviticus 23:1-10, (seventh day & Passover), * Leviticus 23:21-22, Leviticus 23:27-29 (atonement), Leviticus 23:28-32, * Deuteronomy 5:14, 2 Chronicles 2:4 (forever to Israel), * Isaiah 1:11-18, * Isaiah 56:1-8, * Isaiah 58:6-14,

Jesus observed Matthew 12:8, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Mark 15:42, Luke 4:16,

Jesus set examples on Sabbath * Matthew 12, * Mark 2, * Mark 3, * Luke 6, & many more.

* please note the (*s) these were scriptures that showed compassion & the importance to GOD. (Opposite: Luke 11:42-46 hypocrisy)

By observing the Sabbath do we= Matthew 25:31-46,

Hi Joe You are correct when you follow the time line by the time between the soldiers beating him and sending him to Golgotha he was so pulverised he could not carry the crucifix, they compelled or made simon of cyrene to carry drag it. The cross he Jesus Christ bore was our iniquities and sins. Again mans tradition changes Gods Word. This man was so beaten you did not want to look at Him and he still did not break fellowship, think about that during a bad day.

Why is Jesus most often deemed to stuggle with his own cross when vs 21 says that "Simon the Cyrenian ... to bear his cross"?

Is there some other place in the bible saying Jesus struggled with his cross?

Carry Lennert,

I'm not sure what you are working on, this is not to cause debate, I hope you don't mind if I may give some information that may help you on your search. You say they did not know at sundown and that is when Joseph took His body. Jesus was crucified on the Passover day, 14 th of Nisan, which was a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread 15 th - 21 st, which the first day is a holy convocation. That is a sabbath day that the only work you could do is to prepare food to eat. There were two Sabbaths, Friday and Saturday John called it a high day ( John 19:31). ( Exodus 12:3-11) ( Leviticus 23:5-7), ( Numbers 33:1-3)

They had to get Jesus down and in the tomb, before the sun went down, when the sun goes down it starts the next day, the 15 th that started the feast of Unleavened Bread the night they ate the Passover which the first day is a Sabbath. ( Matthew 27:46-50) ( Mark 15:34-37) ( Luke 23:52-56) ( John 19:30-31). The ninth hour is 3 to 4 PM, The preparation and Sabbath they are talking about, the 14 th Passover day, the 15 th, the first day of the feast that will start at sundown.

It may seem a long time from 3 PM to 7 PM but look at what happened after Jesus gave up the ghost, people went to Pilate to partition that the bodies be taken down. He sent the soldiers to go and break their legs at would take a while before they would die. The reason they broke their legs was they could not push up with their legs so they could breathe, so they die of asphyxia.

After that Joseph of Arimathaea went to Pilate asking for Jesus' body, Nicodemus, a Pharisee that first met Jesus at night not wanting to be seen, brought the spices for the burial. When Joseph of Arimathaea went to Pilate he did not believe Jesus was dead already, he even sent for the centurion to verify Jesus had died that quickly. You would think 6 hours would be long enough. ( Mark 15:44-45).

I hope this little amount of information will help, 2000 characters are short.

RLW

Sometimes God's people feel alone, especially during times of troubled waters like your father being ill with Covid 19. First of all, you have to understand that nothing you go through compares with the torture, crusifiction, and loneliness Christ experienced on the Cross.

At the very moment Jesus cried, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" ( Mark 15:34), the world's sins were laid on His shoulders, and because God isn't able to look at sin, He turned away, casting Jesus in loneliness that none of us will ever experience.

Christ gave his life for our sins so that if we believe in our heart that he is the Son of God, confess our sins, repent, and ask Him to come into our hearts. He will save us. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." ( John 3:16)

He will never leave us uncomforted. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid." ( John 14:26-27)

When things are going south we sometimes get to thinking God has forsaken us. But God's word tells us that He can no more forget us than a mother can forget to nurse her baby. He will never forget or forsake us for we are carved into the palm of His hands, and our lives are continually before Him. ( Isaiah 49: 14-16)

I do not believe the bible specifically states Saturday is the Sabbath. But I have also not seen mention of the other specific days of the week (ie. Wed, Thurs. etc.).

The Jewish people have always observed the Sabbath as Saturday. Jesus was a Jew and he observed Saturday/Sabbath as well.

Most everyone in the world will agree that Sunday is the 1st day of the week. Check all of the dictionary's and they will state that Saturday is the last day of the week.

So the last day, or 7th day of the week is Saturday and has been for centuries.

Here in scripture below reference to Jesus preparation for burial prior to Saturday/Sabbath.

Mark 15:42

"And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,"

Exodus 20:11

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Luke 4:16

"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

So God rested on the 7th day, and he gave a gift to us, the 4th Commandment, to also rest our body and mind from our normal weekday working activities, among other things to pray, give thanks and reflect on God. A day to breath! It really is a wonderful gift!

God Bless

Brother Melvin, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Jesus said: Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it again. He was speaking of his body.

If we are IN CHRIST then we are in the temple of God.

John declared this:

Revelation 15:8 And the temple (CHRIST) was filled with the smoke of THE GLORY OF GOD, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the TEMPLE (into Christ), till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

The seven plagues of Revelation was poured out on Christ instead of us, WE deserved that punishment. All of mankinds judgement was ON CHRIST as he cried out to God.

Melvin,

When Jesus died on the cross, it wasn't just symbolism. It wasn't just the physical pain. He literally experienced the punishment for our sins, what it would be like to spend eternity separate from God. And it is Jesus crying out like everybody's going to be if they reject Christ. God, where are you? I'm in this darkness, in this pain. Jesus literally experienced our punishment.

Imagine the look of shock that all those who committed these evil acts to our Lord God Jesus Christ, and finally killing Jesus on the cross, then realizing at their own death they made a mistake. A grave mistake that cost them eternity from Christ. May we campaign hard and reach as many as we can before they go into eternity because of their lost condition.

To have been present at the time of healings and performing of the feeding of the multitudes (2X), bringing people dead back to life; and still not believe. To have heard the words of grace from Christ Himself, praise the Lord.

I deem not to judge, but thankful that I heeded the prompting of the Holy Spirit in my heart and trusted in the Lord for my salvation. I praise the Lord as well for everyone else who trusts in the Lord for their salvation.

God the Lord Jesus Christ deserves all the praise and glory, on one else. Thank Lord. Come quickly Lord.

Praise the Lord for the comments of encouragement and comfort given on this forum. Bless all of you for your loving kindness. Happy Fathers Day 2021 to all our Dad's around the world.

Especially those going through persecutions because of their presenting the Witness of Christ to the lost and dying world. Matthew 28: 18-20

Hi Melvin,

Just to add to the truths that others shared, God is Holy and can't be in the presence of sin, Those was our sins that caused the Father to forsake him.

God takes sin seriously, Even though it was his son he couldn't turn back judgment,

God hates sin.

Isaiah 53:10-11. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

God bless

Hi Melvin ,please read Psalm 22 ,i belive this Psalm is all about Jesus ,the Jewish leaders should have known this Psalm and i believe Jesus was quoting it for the purpose of directing them to it so they would understand that it is all about him ,Jesus Christ ,the messiah that they were waiting for .

MELVIN

This is just my opinion; may others have a better answer. We know from noon till 3 PM darkness fell over the land. When all of our sins were laid on the back of our glorious Savior Jesus, God had to turn his face and Jesus felt the burden and weight of our sins on His own.

God bless,

RLW

I'm confused. why did jesus cry out "father why has thou forsaken me". i would like to have some understanding.

The KJV bible references the cross a total of 28 times in the NT, I find no reference to stake, and also to fulfill John 3:14 he would have needed to be lifted up on a cross. I hope this helps.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Matthew Chapter 27:38-41 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads, And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

Mark 15:32 "Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him."

The leaders in the time of Jesus were wicked pretenders of religion and Jesus exposed their hypocrisy:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. ( Matthew 23:15)

And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. ( Luke 11:39)

Jesus was perceived as a threat to the religious leaders so they conspired to kill him:

Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. ( John 11:47-48)

Even Pilate saw through their facade:

But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews? For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy. ( Mark 15:9-10)

The great wonder of this is that God knew all this and worked it all together to provide the needed sacrifice for our sins through his Son Jesus Christ:

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. ( Acts 2:23-24)

It's not the translation of the KJV bible that lacks merit or credibility, but only people that misquote and mistranslate.

Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"

Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Psalms 22:1 "(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"

Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Chris,the bible does say he was nailed to the stake or tree at mark 15:25 and also at matthew 27:35.he would have had his arms straight above him and nails through his wrists.

While the promise referenced was directed to Jeremiah, we as believers benefit from the same loving kindness of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. ( Romans 5:8-10)

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ( Romans 8:28-29)

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? ( Romans 8:31-32)

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. ( 1 Peter 5:6-7)

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. ( 2 Peter 1:2-4)

What Jeremiah 29:11 means for us Christians today?

Hi Sheryl, I second what Mild Bill said, and to add to that, If a person is living in sin he or she might want to examine themselves, they shouldn't be in bondage to sin. Romans 6:1-6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 8:10-15. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Thanks

Sherl,

"however you can fall from grace."

In the conditions you describe,"the fall from grace", is a situation of broken fellowship with God, not a total loss of salvation. Gross sin, or presumptuous sins may plague a believer, and thereby strain their relationship to God, and the way to correct that status is as you said, repent and ask forgiveness. For example, your children, can either be pleasant and agreeable or ornery and difficult, in either case, they never stop being your children. Christians of all depths/ages/maturity, work out their own experience of being saved, some do better than others. The father of the prodigal son, had two sons. The one who remained with his father also had issues that the father had to deal with. God does not throw out the baby with the bath water, and keeping them clean, is given his full attention. Hebrews 10:30&31"For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

I believe it is once save always save, however you can fall from grace if you sin and continue to sin or commit the same sin over and over. You have to repent and ask God for forgiveness.

Golgotha is a word taken from the Chaldean language, 'gagulta' & Hebrew, 'gulgolet', meaning 'skull'. And then 'Calvary' is from the Latin, 'Calvariae Locus'. The exact reason why that area just outside Jerusalem was called 'a place of a skull' is not certain. Options are: it was a place of public execution and 'Skull Hill' somewhat resembled the shape of a skull.

The fact of Golgotha by its meaning & executions there, shouldn't deter you from 'eating bones', at least the flesh of the bones. Eating flesh of animal bones should be fine & you won't be taken to task for doing so, by God.

I am curious about Golgatha which called Place of a skull. I am wondering about eating bones?

Emily Abrams, Spencer is right. You can only be confident in your own relationship/experience with God, and other people in theirs. If you trust Christ to have paid for all your sins, what's left? It is hard for a sinner to accept the grace of God, that is, you do nothing to earn salvation, but you are led of God's spirit to love him in return by yielding to his leading you to make good choices. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance(self control): against such there is no law." Galatians 5:22&23 For as long as a believer is on this Earth, their character is being changed to a likeness of Christ. The more often you cooperate, the farther you go in the changes, despite the old nature which you will not lose until the body dies.

More often than not, believers can point to a time where God made himself known to them as their Savior. Something like a before and after situation. The title of savior becomes something more than just a teaching, but very personal, to you for you, forever.

Hi Emily, Excuse me poor ability to text, I meant salvation is something we should know we have, " Something we should know ". Hope that helps, There's people on this site can elaborate on this matter and articulate it much better than I can, Thanks

Absolutely, Emily. When Christ died for our sins was it past sins, present sins, future sins, are all our sins? I think our focus as Christians or professing Christians is to examine ourselves to see whether we're in the faith or not, If you got it you can't loose it, AND IT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD KNOW.