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Hi Star,

It doesn't say we have to "read, in the name of" but when we pray, receive a child, or when people are being baptized,

Jesus name is the principal thing. Matthew 18:5,20, Mark 9:37,39,41,48, Mark 16:15-18, John 14:13,14,26, John 15, John 16:23-28,

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Hi Susanella,

I like to flip the question and ask why would a Christ-follower not want to follow Christ? Are there any legitimate reasons not to be baptized in water?

Jesus said this:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:16 KJV

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19 KJV

Some Christians I encounter seem quite satisfied and maybe even relieved on their assumption that they don't need to be immersed in water anymore. But is that really what Jesus said and meant?

"John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost." Acts 11:16 KJV

Baptism with the Holy Ghost doesn't necessarily mean without water. It seems Jesus indicates the baptism before Jesus arrived was not with the Holy Ghost. And it's noteworthy that even though Jesus was now there, He still was baptized in water! It was so important that even Jesus did it Himself as an example to follow. And then they continued baptizing in water after Jesus left. I see no verse anywhere saying for everyone to stop baptizing in water.

Some are motivated to not be baptized for personal reasons, not for reasons of obedience as a Christ-follower. But it doesn't matter what man thinks, but what God says and He already said to be baptized. So, if following Jesus is important to someone I think that following what Jesus says is important.

Other Christians echoed this about water baptism after Jesus left too, like Paul in Acts 2:38.

It would be brazen to ignore such a clear and obvious command. Others seem confident and willing to gamble on this that they're interpreting it correctly. But obeying involves no risk and no downside, but disobeying and seeing how much one can get away with not doing seems risky. No one is claiming that act itself saves, but deliberately disobeying God while also claiming to follow Him seems questionable.

Please read these: Mark 16:16, context Mark 16:14-20, Mark 1:8, context Mark 1, Matthew 3:11, in context Matthew 3, Matthew 28:18,19-20, Luke 3:16,21,

Acts 1:21-22, Acts 2:38,

Acts 16:19-34, Romans 6, 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 12:13, Colossians 2:10-15, 1Peter 3, 1Peter 3:21,22

James 1:5,

Matthew 7, Matthew 25:31-46,

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James 4:7, Mark 3:15, Mark 6:13, Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:16,17,18,

Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:1-29,

Proverbs 14:5,25, John 8,

Revelation 12:19,

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Hi Richard, good thoughts, just a few questions to study for the truth.

I agree, "Somethin' ain't right here with the logic." Many have tried to calculate how close we are and only God the Father knows. My understanding of a generation is the average life from birth to death. The 120 years in Genesis was the warning God gave, they had 120 years to repent until the flood came and wiped them all out except the 8.

I assume the generation you are referencing is the one in Matt. 24 Mark 13 Luke 21. My understanding is they have a dual meaning some things are for the future and many things were for then. Jesus said that generation vipers, evil, adulterous, wicked, sinful, faithless, perverse, and "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation" Matt.23:33-39.

"This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled" is where the division of understanding comes. What did Jesus mean when He said till all be fulfilled? Was it all prophesied up to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple we see in Daniel 9? Was it all until He returns? Was it part of both? We must remember at the time Jesus told them this they did not even know He was going to be crucified, Mark 16:14 Luke 9:44-45 Luke 18:31-34 Luke 24:6-8 Luke 24:44-45.



Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel, flee Judea. History tells us all the believers in Jesus got that warning and fled to Pella a region across the Jordan river and were saved. Many today place this with saying the antichrist is the he in Dan.9:27, 7-year tribulation, and the rapture of the Church.

Has the 70-week prophecy been fulfilled? How would that change the rapture theory as taught? If we are looking to be taken out before the tribulation and that does not happen, would that be the hour of temptation and the falling away? The seven-year cleanup, could they be the first seven years of the millennium?

God bless,

RLW

Mark 16:15-18.

Greta Murphy,

Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"



New tongues means new languages, known languages!

Mark 16:18 says, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

And then Mark 16:19-20 gives us the confirmation of the word.

And all these things in Verses 16-17 were done. But please notice these next two verses carefully ( Mark 16:19-20):

"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."

Hebrews 2:2 tells us that when the apostles went out and preached that there were signs that followed in order to establish the apostles preaching as the gospel of God. And that is what he is saying here.



We know that there are various signs that were worked by Jesus through the disciples in order to confirm the message they were hearing is the gospel. It doesn't say everybody, that every person that believes down through history is going to manifest all these various things, but rather for the confirmation of the establishment of the Word of God, which we have with us today.

Hope this helps!

The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof. 1Corinthians 10:26, Psalms 24:1, Psalms 89:11, Psalms 50:12, Ephesians 1:10, Daniel 2:20-22, Genesis 1:28, Luke 9:1, 1Corinthians 15:23-28, John 19:5-11

Proverbs 29:2, Revelation 3:10,

Matthew 28:18, Acts 1:8, Matthew 18:18, Mark 16:17-19

Bible Study for all of us; essential doctrine for Salvation:

Mark 16:16,17

Luke 24:47,48

John 3:1-6

Acts 2:38

1 Peter 3:21

Acts 19:1-6

Acts 10:44-48

Acts 5:32

1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39

Acts 2:4

Acts 1:8

John 21:15,16

Matthew 6, Luke 4:40, Matthew 12:15, Luke 6:19, Psalms 139, Psalms 107:20, Matthew 15:30, Luke 9:11, Matthew 4:24, Matthew 14:14, Mark 6:13, Acts 5:6, Acts 14:9, Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:17,18, John 16:23, Luke 11:9-11, context Luke 11:2-13, James 5:13-20,

Hopefully these are helpful & encouraging & healing to you, that you likewise will help others Matthew 10:8,

Johnnie,

Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 19:1-12, Ephesians 4:5,

I think the main point is the outward living life, dead to the flesh ( selfishness, bad actions, etc. ) resurrection in the last days, is the goal. Mark 10:38, Luke 12:50, Colossians 2:12-14, 1Peter 3:18-22,

* Romans 6:3,4, please read all of Romans 6, chapter, Colossians 3:1-17,

John 12:23-36, Romans 8:13, Luke 14:27-33,

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If you have trouble understanding pray for wisdom: James 1:5

Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:15-29, Isaiah 58,

Matthew 18:6-20,

Mark 11:22,23,24, Mark 16:15-18,

James 1:5, Colossians 3,

First you need to believe, Jesus is who He is, The Son of GOD, John 3:16-21, Mark 9:31,

Baptism: Acts 2:38-47, Matthew 28:18-20, these are the same baptism, Ephesians 4:5, context Ephesians 4:1-13, please read all the scriptures I've included even the scriptures surrounding the ones you're asking about. They're very important on what Jesus our Christ =(the Messiah) is saying & the Scripture is saying about Him.

Origin of Baptism: Matthew 3, Mark 1, Luke 3, John 1, John 3 - John 4:1,2, ; Matthew 21:25, Mark 11:30, Luke 7, Luke 20:4, Acts 13:24,25,26,

Acts 1,

Symbolism of baptism: Matthew 20:22-28, Matthew 11:10,11,12,13, Mark 10, note these scriptures in Mark 10:21,29,30,31,32,33,34,38,39,42,43,44,45, Mark 16:16, Luke 12:49-59, in context Luke 12, John 3:3,5, Romans 6, Colossians 2:12, 1Peter 3:21,

HOLY Ghost HOLY Spirit Baptism: Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 11, Acts 19:2-7,

In one Spirit 1Corinthians 12:13,

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Psalm 67. THIRD attempt to post after I wiped out AGAIN like last tiime.. ugh

I lost Psalm 66 but this Psalm once again has a Millennium type of fulfillment as indicated in verse 4. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Christ as "wonderful; counselor; mighty God; everlasting father; Prince of Peace" with surrounding verses describing how He rules with fairness and settles disputes impartially etc. The nations have hardly sung about this sort of thing as a whole yet.

Verse 2 and the "saving health" could be a reference to Petra where His people are physically preserved previously from Antichrist ( Rev. 12:14). It also could be how those who worship God are given a life like that of a tree ( Isaiah 65:22) where those who die at 100 will be considered as a child two verses previous. There will probably be physical life for those who don't rebel until the end of the 1000 years in the Eden like state of the earth but those who rebel will be immediately judged.

Again as in the previous Psalm; the crops will be multiplied (verse 6); and blessings and fear of the whole world will occur (verse 7). The lack of the fear of the Lord now as opposed to then certainly will be due to Christ Himself returning. Sadly though the unregenerate still will follow the Pied Piper's call when Satan makes his last stand at the end of that period immediately before the Great White Throne Judgment.

Mark 16:15 also shows how the Temple was designed to be a place of prayer for all nations (referring to multiple passages in the O.T. including Jeremiah; Isaiah; Chronicles and others).

Hello Alleylee

You will get many different answers to your question. My opinion...

There is the belief in many christian churches that the age of apostles and prophets ended in that early time. But there are many that do not accept this. God and His Word have not changed, it is people that have changed their beliefs unreasonably. Unreasonably because if something that is described clearly in the Bible does not exist in our church, then we should try to find out what is that we do (or believe) wrongly and stop trying cancelling the Word of God. So the best thing is one to go to their knees and ask God what is going wrong. If we are sincere about it God will definitely find a way to answer back, this is always the case.

So there are many christians that claim that God stopped talking to people after the Revelation was written, thus putting a duct tape on God's mouth. So God humbled and offered Himself for people suffering a horrible death but at the same time He is too arogant to speak to us now? Doesn't He want to talk to His children? Is this OK? Of course God talks and hears. In Acts it was God personally that ordained the 12 and Paul, it was the Spirit that led Paul and Barnabas to the gentiles. But Silas and Luke and Apollos and the rest were not pointed out by God directly but were chosen by Paul according to the wisdom given to him by the Lord. So when a minister anoints somebody else in the name of Jesus according to the instructions given in the Word of God, it is like God personally did it. So If God did all that at that time He can still do it today. He hasn't changed the way He acts

An apostle must have results in his mission, this is a proof that he was elected by God, 1 Cor 8:1-2. An "apostle" who has no results to show is not an apostle. Also read 2 Cor 12:12, one must prove that God sent him. People must be Spirit baptized, healings must occur etc, maybe not in the degree those occured in ancient times but still they should occur, Mark 16:15-18. GBU

Hey Bulletpencil,

My understanding, Jesus coming, the Messiah/Christ was not a secret, Daniel 9:25 prophesied when He would come. Jesus came to fulfill the prophets and the law, and when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, and Jesus was filled without measure, John 3:34.

John the Baptist proclaimed it, John 1:34 and His disciples did as well, John 1:41 Jesus told the woman at the well He was the Messiah, John 25:25-26 and Martha John 11:27. It was confirmed by all the miracles Jesus did by the Spirit of God, Matt. 12:28 the kingdom of God has come, but the death and resurrection were, at that time a secret/mystery, Rom. 11:25.

The kingdom of God has come, John said it was at hand, Matt. 3:1-2. After John was put in prison Jesus came preaching Mark 1:14-15. The mystery of the kingdom; they were looking for the stone to crush Rome and the kingdom would be set up then Daniel 2:44, but it was like the parables of the mustard seed and the yeast Matt. 13, increasing even today until the crushing blow at Jesus second coming.



The disciples knew Jesus was the Messiah/Christ, so I am sure that was part of their preaching, but Jesus' death and resurrection were hidden even from the disciples Luke 9:45. We see how they fled when Jesus was arrested, Matt. 26:56, and they did not believe He resurrected Mark 16:10-11 Luke 23:10-11 it was hidden from them for if Satan had known the results, he would have tried to stop it.

Jesus spoke mainly to the Pharisees and Sadducees in parables to fulfill the prophecy, Matt. 13:10-15 Mark 4:10-13 Luke 8:10. The mystery was not revealed until after Jesus was resurrected as Jesus told them the Holy Spirit would bring remembrance and teaching to them John 14:26 John 16:3-4 Romans 11:25 Romans 16:25 the promise to Abraham Genesis 17:4-7 and that seed was Jesus the Messiah/Christ.

This is my understanding may someone else have another, pray and study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

Adam

We are really talking here about the Nature of Salvation.

Eph 2:8-10

For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

So what is a "work" or a "good work"? A "good work" is obedience to any commandment of God that applies to us.

During the Church Age (which I believe has now ended and we are livling in the period that God calls The Great Tribulation, Matt 24 & 1 Peter 4:17) we were commanded to be baptzed in water if we identified with a local church. But water baptism was a cermonial sign, like the Lords Supper (Communion), and we no longer are to observe these ceremonial signs and that believers actually have been commanded to get out of the local churches. Just like when Jesus came physically the first time, God was finished with National Isreal as His corporate representation and we no longer observe the cermonial laws of the old testiment.

But even during the Church Age, water baptism was still a WORK which we were commanded to observe and did not contiribute to our salvation in any way. Just as the observance of the Old Testement ceremonial laws did not contirbute to the salvation of any Old Testement believer.

Mark 16:16 is talking about the baptism that SAVES, it is the baptism that God performs in washing away our sins. Not water baptism.

And if we are TRUSTING in any WORK that we do, including the WORK of water baptism as initiating, maintaining, assisting, supporting, etc. our salvation in any way, we are walikng on very dangereous ground (Read Galations, in particular Gal 2:16) and falling into the same snare as some of the early New Testement Jews. Note also in Gal 2:16 that the faith by which we are saved is Christ's faith, not our faith.

My favorite part of mark is the chapter number 16:16-17

This verse encourages me to seek and save lost by working miracles.

Amen

The Bible use the word Baptism in two ways and the context determines the meaning, as one of the commenters indicated.

There is 1) the effectual baptism of the Holy Spirit which occurs when God applies salvation to one of His Elect by giving them their Resurrected Soul. That is becoming Born Again.

And there is 2) water baptism which is a ceremonial sign to be observed by the New Testament local churches and congregations during the church age pointing to the nature of salvation, like the physical circumsision of the Old Testament.

Mark 16:16 is speaking of the Baptism of God the Holy Spirit, i.e. Salvation ( Exe 36:25 ) which continues throughout time as God saves His Elect right up until Christ returns on the clouds of glory at the Last Day.

I believe the church age ended with the beginning of the Great Tribulation which is the day in which we are now living during which God has abandoned the local churches and congregations and has commanded true believers to flee the local churches. Read Matt 24. And God continues to save His Elect OUTSIDE the local churches during the Latter Rain.

Therefore, like physical circumsision of the Old Testament time, we are no longer to observe the New Testament sign of water baptism.

Thanks for clarifying David. So, your pro-baptism and encourage people to be baptized then?

Based on the comments I had the impression that you were against it and so I must have misinterpreted.

Because the original commenter said baptism is very important, but it seemed like you disagreed with that and dismissed it as a "work." Good works are good, though. Faith without works is dead, the Bible says. That is very different than someone falsely thinking they are earning salvation.

Mark 16:16

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

What's interesting is Jesus uses baptism and salvation in the same sentence here, suggesting there could be a correlation. I know you say there's zero correlation, but its interesting how Jesus phrased this. So, either salvation is related or it isn't related. Only one is true and what Jesus meant. Sure would be a bummer to guess wrong on that one and downplay something Jesus said to do. I think because Jesus said to do it, I encourage others to be baptized and think its wrong to discourage people from obeying Jesus's commands.

There's a whole lot of discussion these days on social media about what book belongs in the Bible (ie Jasher, Enoch, etc). I submit to you through my own convictions on this. Nothing matters more than Salvation. It is God's plan. It was his plan from the beginning. We, Christians, know that God, in the beginning, knew he would dwell in a flesh body and he created the whole world based off of the body in which he would dwell and become the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.

Do not let anyone deceive you, nor take away your joy in salvation by wrapping you up in theologies and in bankrupt "what-ifs."

Salvation in God's word is key to everything. We must hear, believe, have faith and obey his word for this salvation. Yes, Jesus did the work and fulfilled the Law and the prophets, but he commanded his apostles to Go, Teach, and Baptize. Jesus himself, who is God in the flesh and his flesh now glorified, was even baptized himself to fulfill all righteousness. If he did it and commanded his apostles to do so in his name, we should have no question about doing it as well. Whether you disagree or not as far as salvation goes, it's very clear that baptism is very important and was applied to many things in the Bible giving us examples of why it is and remains so important. The great flood, The Red Sea crossing, the laver where the high priest cleansed and washed, Jesus's baptism, Jesus commanding his apostles, The apostles baptizing in Jesus' name, Phillip preaching "Jesus" to the Eunuch and the first thing he asked for was to be baptized, Peter being present for the Jews, Samaritans, and the Gentiles to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and be filled with the holyghost, Paul telling the Jailer to believe and he would be saved and taking him and his house and baptizing them, etc etc... Baptism is very essential. Jesus commanded it and even said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved..." Do not be decieved nor robbed of your birthright.

Mark 16:15, "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." 'Creature, or creation' as the Greek suggests applies to all who need to hear & respond to the Gospel. My own thought is that by using this word, 'creation', the implication is that the Gospel needs to reach all parts of the world, to every nation & tribe.

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Whta is the meaning of creature in above ?

Preach the Gospel to all creations on the Earth.

Do I have to be baptized in water to be saved?

Yes ! Luke 24:47,48 Mark 16:16,17 , Acts 2:38 , Acts 4:12 , Acts 19:1-6 , Acts 5:32 ,

1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39. Acts 1:8 , Acts 2:4 , John 21:15 Jesus loves us!

Landon

There are believers that believe they also minister to creatures. Interestingly there are many events in Scripture that show obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY & even accountability. Starting with Genesis 9:5, Proverbs 12:10, 1Samuel 6:7-15, 1Kings 13, Numbers 22, Daniel 6, Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9,

James 1:5-7,

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Birds are animals so is a dog they can never think like a human nor comprehend anything, A good example is when you leave your in the house and go to work and later on you find your dog has chewed all you new cushions and made a big mess.

This Dog you might speak to it and he will wiggle his tail but i tell you tomorrow or few months down the line it will do it again

The point is God has made us and breath into our nostrils and given man the breath of life then man became living being .

Jesus died on the cross for man to be reconciled with God This is clearly shown on

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

another point to understand is that we are more valuable to God than animals and as God takes care of the animals and birds of the skys he values man more than them.

Matthew 6:26-34

26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

By the grace of God Please don't worry about the animals worry about your souls before God, remember unless you repent you will likewise perish

Luke 13:3

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

It means human creature(people) dear Jag.

Dear Jag,

I will speak about your second question. I think it is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus saves all of us, body, soul, and spirit.

1Thessalonions 5:22

Hebrews 10:39

James 1:21

All speak of the salvation of our souls.

The word creature referred to in verse 15,what does it mean? Are we supposed to preach to birds and animals also?

Additionally do their souls also receive slavation and destined for heaven?