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Well, Mark 16:15-20, also tells us that those who "speak with new tongues" are also those enabled by the Spirit to cast out devils, take hold of poisonous snakes, drink poisonous substances, & heal the sick. I wonder whether all who have the Gift of speaking in other tongues, can do the other things mentioned in those verses, or does 1 Corinthians 12:28-31 have some bearing on this matter?

I know that the 'Tongues' issue has severely divided believers, but we all need to take a fresh & good look at the Scriptures on this issue & not depend on what we're taught from the pulpit.

Jesus said a number of things at the last meeting that His disciples heard. The Evangelists chose to record what The Holy Spirit lead each to do.

See Mark 16:14-19.

See Luke 24:44-51 and Acts 1:3-8. Seems that Doctor Luke might have run out of scroll writing his Gospel and continued his account at the beginning of The Acts of The Apostles. Acts1:9-11 continues with The Ascension.

John recorded nothing related to this event.

So I'd assume that all these things were said by Jesus and that they saw Jesus ascend to The Father. "But some doubted." Matt 28:17.

"I know thy works, and tribulation, and pouertie, but thou art rich, and I know the blasphemie of them which say they are Iewes and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan."

Clearly, Iesus says here very clearly, those who say they are Iews, but are not. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this? Iesus came for his sheepe no? But says, some of you are not real Iews. When a canaanite woman came to Iesus for healing, he said, DOGS ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY SHEEPS CRUMBS. Right there, he called them DOGS. He also says that there is no difference between the Greek, and the Iew. Well we all know that the original Greeks in those days were ARYANS... Get a clue

Hello Paul,

I did the search for you brother:

Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69

Psalms 110:1

Mark 16:19

Acts 2:33

Acts 7:55-56

Romans 8:34

Ephesians 1:20

Colossians 3:1

Hebrews 1:3

Hebrews 8:1

Hebrews 10:12

Hebrews 12:2

( 1 Peter 3:22

Sin really has nothing to do with animals being in heaven. We, as humans sin. We have a God given will and with that will.many times we fall short of heaven. It is because of Goda grace, mercy and forgiveness we inherit heaven. It is the blood that God will see not the sin..Scripture tells us that God cannot look upon sin. That is the reason the blood of Jesus Christ was applied to our lives. His Blood covers our sin. It does not keep us from sinning, that is still our will a d choice to do. When we come to the place that we fall and sin we have an advocate with God, His Son Jesus Christ. By the Holy Spirit Hw leads us in the paths of righteousness FOR HIS NAME SAKE. Without His blood applied to our live and our acceptance and faith in His atoning work on Calvary we cannot enter into heaven. But by His Grace and His precious blood we can and will. Thanks to our Savior Jeaua Christ.

That's correct Sir. Our salvation is dependent on our faith in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross & nothing else attached to it. When we repent of our sins & God forgives, we are born again of His Spirit (i.e. baptized by the Spirit) through His indwelling & given a new start, new life & new power to live for Jesus. Subsequent to that mighty event, the believer begins his journey with an inward & outward testimony via water baptism.

When Jesus spoke those words in Mark 16:16, He spoke of the future salvation experience of those who come to Him via the Cross. If we want to associate water baptism as a requirement for salvation, two problems occur:

1. any act, even baptism, cannot contribute to a salvation by faith, or else salvation doesn't come through faith alone but with a fusion of both. So the person who says he believes & is then told that he has to be baptised to be saved, is immediately made to believe that an extra requirement is necessary to effect salvation. Then the question: what else am I required to do? Am I truly a Christian - supposing I've neglected to do something else? Jesus was simply stating that salvation requires belief (faith) only - baptism then as a natural immediate response. "But he that does not believe is damned": could we have a person who has been baptised & yet not truly 'believing'? Sure can. I know of a few, baptised, evidently spoke in 'tongues', etc. & now having rejected the Lord - no saving faith - no salvation, in spite of baptism & more.

2. what happens when one cannot be baptized: whether due to old age, serious illness, insufficient time between saving faith & baptism (i.e death has occurred), teaching of the Church or even a great passing of time from first believing. If baptism as well is necessary for salvation, then none of the above would have any hope of forgiveness & eternal life and could there be many living full victorious Christian lives who have never been baptised & are actually deceived & lost?

Hi Cris, here is my reply

Answer to your questions, back up with biblical proofs:

Colossians 1:16 - 17 16For by him (JESUS) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (JESUS), and for him (JESUS): 17And he (JESUS) is before all things, and by him (JESUS) all things consist.

1 John 1:3 Context 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Mark 16:19 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. 69Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 7:56 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34 34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Hebrews 10:12 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 Peter 3:22 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Perspective Helps Us Understand God

Old Testament = God is a Spirit, invisible to the naked eye. Attributes are: Omnipotent - all powerful, can do anything nothing is impossible; omnipresent - is everywhere;

So I think I understand you: that God was alone in Heaven in eternity & it was Him & the cherubim that were involved in the creative work. And then when it came time for Jesus' appearance, you said "God manifested as a man name Jesus in New Testament; God as the Holy Spirit in Resurrection - all of these titles only belongs to Jesus."

So to the first point & to my first response to you on this matter: how do you understand Colossians 1:16,17 & John 1:1-3 & following verses?

To your second point: if God is now manifested as Jesus, & I assume you say that there is presently no God in Heaven except Jesus Who now God, then what do you make of Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:56, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 10:12, 1 Peter 3:22, & others. I'm confused.

I suppose the Trinity issue doesn't come up until these points are dealt with first. Thank you.

Read Luke 24:47 then in the New Testament it is fulfilled in Acts 2:38. "Repent & be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins & ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost". It is both water baptism & the Holy Ghost. Jesus spoke what was needed to enter into the kingdom of God in John 3:5. Water baptism is in Mark 16:16. Romans 6:3-8. Colossions 2. And 1st Peter3:18-21. Even in the old testament, the parting of the Red sea was a type of water baptism. Same as Noahs ark. Pls read it in the Bible. Jesus said in Matthew 28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins". Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation as we love the Lord w all our heart, soul, & mind; & we must love our neighbor as thyself. Those 2 are commands. Without love for one another we will not make it to the kingdom. We must love as he does. We must crucify the flesh daily. Allow the Spirit to lead us. God is Spirit & those that worship him must worship him in Spirit & in truth.

I have an airplane, everyone that gets on and sits down will fly to Houston. Any one who does not get on will not go to Houston.

Anyone gets on and does not sit down will still go to Houston!!

What is our part in God's plan of salvation for the lost?

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God ( 2 Corinthians 5:20). you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth ( Acts 1:8). Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 28:19).

And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:15-16).

But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us ( Romans 5:8). And we likewise are to share God's love with others.

Hopefully the unsaved will

Repent you therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out ( Acts 3:19).

We are called upon by God to be His representatives to the world, spreading His gospel, that we may demonstrate His love to the lost that they to may be saved.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31). The greatest way we can show God's love to others is to spread God's saving gospel - by evangelizing.

Without evangelism - spreading the Word of God, billions of souls would have never known the sweat salvation of God. God uses us, if we obey, to bring Him lost souls.

If the lost condition of this world is on your heart, log in some prayer time with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sent the disciples out by 2's. Study how Jesus ministered to the lost.

Mishael

To clarify, are you suggesting that there is no God in Heaven except Jesus, Who is God? Or, maybe that Jesus is Our God, so the God in Heaven is no longer our God? It would be difficult to prove that only Jesus (as God) is presently in Heaven.

To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.

I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.

You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).

God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.

Exactly, one can not just believe for salvation. That is a demonic religion.

We must Hear the word of God Roman's 10:17, Believe it John 8 :24, Repent Luke 13:3, Confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Matthew 10:32-33, Be baptized fir the remission of our sins, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:6, and live faithful and obedient. Matthew 10:22, Rev.2:10.

Hi Rich,

My pastor said that the most important thing to bear in mind is that scripture interprets scripture and that the context is important too. He said that the scripture's that I showed him are often misunderstood, and don't mean what I think they mean. He said that salvation cannot be lost, just like God's promises cannot be broken. I think the fact that I have not been baptised yet and that I am the only Christian in my family is also adding to my uncertainty. It says in

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think the fact that nobody from my church believes that that the spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues are for all Christians, and that those gifts were only for Jesus disciples. The church that I went to previously had a number of people that speak in tongues, so because I disagree with that, I just feel unsure if he is wrong about these scriptures too.

Also, I am sure that I have read that we can no longer sin once we have been saved, yet I have used curse words a few times and taken the name of the Lord are God in vain since becoming a Christian mostly in my head, but also out loud on a few occasions.

Mathew 17:1-13

Mark 16:19

Additional

Psalm 22

Prophetic of Jesus

Hope that's helpful

J. Reid from Canada :),

T. Levis from USA

This is a hugely debated issue within churches 4 sure.

John 13:34-35

Romans 16:17-18

2 Timothy 2:14-15

If there isn't a rapture could it be the cause of a great falling away?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Revelation 6:8-11

GOD be with us all who believe, love & trust HIM, to strengthen, hold, protect & keep us faithful

Jude 1:24-25

John 10:28-29

Genesis 5:21-24

2 Kings 2:11

Mark 16:19

Acts 1:6-9

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Mathew 24:37-46

I hope these are helpful

Now go find some scriptures to hold up what you just said. Use the Search Box.

A confined space? not a confined place or space.

absolutely, animals will be in heaven. They didnt sin. The lamb will lay down with the wolf and will not harm the lamb.

I believe animals will be in heaven too. According to Romans 1, creation was to teach us that Someone benevolent, made all we see.

Does that mean all animals that ever lived will be in heaven, a confined space? That would be trillions of animals, including spiders, snakes, ticks, bees, flies, jellyfish, killer whales, sharks? Are you sure the only qualification to enter heaven is 'not sinning' instead of a human being believing in Jesus, repenting and following Him? Did Jesus die on the cross so a fly could be saved? Do flies follow Jesus?

The wolf shall lie down with the lamb.

Animals will be in heaven. The wolf will lie down with the lamb and many other places. The animals didn't sin so why would they not be in heaven?

Selah means, "Pause and think on these things."

Selah Definition. Please

Personal Understanding will get you oh so far. But the Spirit. Can get you unlimited knowledge, by God's will. Saying that Jesus speaks in metaphors. Is clear when Jesus says in 1 Samuel 26:12 . is that not a metaphor. When it says "deep sleep".

It is a clear that a lot of things in the Bible are metaphors from the saying "fishers of men" to the whole book of Revelation.

The references you brought did not support. I dont see "spirit in animals"

Where in the Bible does it says in the Bible that animals will in heaven. No where.

Are you telling me that there will not be any animals in heaven? I believe there will be. animals did'nt sin. I want all my animals that I had to be there.