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Hi Bridget,

When you read the whole chapter of Malachi 3, nowhere is the word Sabbath mentioned, it's talking about Jesus return and the fight of good against evil and the Lord's words doesn't change Malachi 3:2 "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:"

just some scripture to support that whether we practice our common faith on a Saturday or Sunday it really doesn't matter, but what does matter is that we repent and believe in the salvation of the cross and that Jesus died for all who believe.

Mark 2:24-28 "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

Colossians 2:13-19

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

When religious leaders accused JESUS of breaking the Sabbath because his disciples plucked some grain and ate it as they walked through a field, he said: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath" ( Mark 2:27-28)

Constantine (Roman) set Sabbath on Sunday.

Jewish tradition, Sabbath begins at sundown on Friday, and is attended on Saturday.

My advise: Google this and read all the opinions. My choice is what Jesus said above.

Dear George,

I don't believe most Christians think they are observing Sabbath on Sunday. I think very few minority would think Sunday is the Sabbath. A day of worship is not the same as the Sabbath day.

Christians likely meet on Sunday, because:

(1) The example is they met on first day of the week

(2) Christians can worship any day, and many choose Sunday.

Maybe your question is why do most Christians not celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday:

(1) Colossians 2:16, 17

(2) Jesus healed others on the Sabbath

(3) Jesus challenged the Pharisees in how they observed the Sabbath and redefined it for them: Mark 3:4, Mark 2:27

(4) Matthew 5:17-18 (fulfilled but not abolished). Many will say the 10 commandments still apply, like it's still just as wrong to kill someone, but a % may say the 4th commandment (keep Sabbath) may not still apply.

That is to help answer your first question, but I didn't understand your second one.

Part 2:

According to law, the priest was the only one who was able to eat it, because after he changed the bread off with fresh bread, he would eat the old bread himself. So the priest took it and said here, take the shewbread. You are hungry. You need it. And Jesus is saying you Pharisees don't get it. It is not legalism.

Mark 2:27: And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

He says look, God gave you the Sabbath Day as a gift. Did you ever notice that they, and we, still don't take that gift? We refuse to take a day off to get away from involvement with the world and just rest and focus on the things the Lord.

So Jesus said look, even in your own rules, because they had rules, but if the Pharisees were walking down the road and their horse fell into a ditch, they could pull it out.

You say well how can they do that? Because they made the rule that they could. They made the rules! So Jesus said you are in the wrong spirit here.

The Sabbath was given to man as a gift. Man wasn't made so that he would fulfill the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given to man. Obviously, if there's an emergency, what are you going to do? You can't call an ambulance today, you will have to wait till tomorrow because, you know, it is the Sabbath Day.

Lastly, Mark 2:28 says Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Wow, what a statement! He's in charge of the Sabbath, and what He does is right.

I hope this helps you!

Alec Ford,

Those verses tell us about the Confrontation over the Sabbath. I'll give you my understanding of those verses in two parts as there is not enough space in one post. This will be part 1.

First of all, in Mark 2:23, if your text says corn, they didn't have corn there in those days. It was grain fields on the Sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of grain. And by the way, you are allowed to do that. The law allows you to do that. In Mark 2:24, you have to understand that the Pharisees were there to evaluate. They said you are reaping the harvest.

No! The law allowed that if you are walking along, you can pull heads of grain off and eat it if you are hungry, but you can't harvest it on the Sabbath, because you're not allowed to work on the Sabbath.

So the Pharisees said, "We consider that harvesting!" In fact, there were incidents where people would walk along the ground and step on a stock and some of the grain would fall off the stock and they got them for harvesting. Legalists!

In Mark 2:25, Jesus said to them, "Have you never read?" He is speaking to religious people. And He is saying "haven't you ever read the Old Testament, the TANAK?" Have you never read what David did? This would be 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Have you never read what David did, when he had need and was hungry, and he, and those that were traveling with him?

In Mark 2:26, the phrase "into the house of God" used in this verse means into the tabernacle.

So you see, He says David and his band of men were traveling, and they were hungry. And they come across the temple and they said to the priest do you have any food here? Well, the only food I have is the shewbread, the presentation bread, the 12 loaves of bread that represent the 12 tribes of Israel.

Greetings in Jesus' name, Alec.

In this passage of scripture we can see that the pharisees were trying to trip Jesus up & condemn Him, as they always tried to, unsuccessfully. The sabbath was a convocation (an act or rehearsal) pointing to the 7th day 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ after His second coming. This is the rest spoken of in Hebrews that remaineth to enter into. Christian's don't enter into a day of the week, though there's certainly nothing wrong with observing the sabbath and the Lord's day.

Concerning the pharisees:

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

- Isaiah 28:13

This is why Jesus said in :

Matthew 23:23 KJV

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

John 1:17

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

I hope this helps you.

Be well,

Andrew

Can anyone explain Mark 2 vs 23 -28 I have read this many times and still don't understand what it means. I know it has to have a meaning or else it wouldn't be in the bible

Alex this is comforted drawn from 2 Samuel 12:24. different word and different meaning from comforter in John. Hebrew:

Transliteration: ncham

Pronunciation: naw-kham'

Definition: A primitive root; properly to {sigh} that {is} breathe strongly; by implication to be {sorry} that {is} (in a favorable sense) to {pity} console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort ({self}) ease [one s {self]} repent ({-er} {-ing} self).

KJV Usage: comfort(57x), repent(41x), comforter(9x), ease(1x).

Occurs: 108

In verses: 100.

I don't believe that saying the "Son of" someone implies an authority over others. It's simply an identification with his father. In eastern cultures, it is very important that a family's bloodline or genealogy is known, so that the person being addressed is fully known by his background. In India, often the surname is placed before the given name as that is what is more important: to know the family & after knowing that, to know who you are.

With Jesus, He generally referred Himself as the Son of Man & yet we know that He was also the Son of God. The Son of God title was to acknowledge His Deity (i.e. His indivisible relationship with His Father) & the Son of Man title, associated with His Humanity, coming into the World in a human body.

Matthew 26:63-65: "And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses?" Here we see an example of where Caiaphas the High Priest asked about Jesus's Sonship & Jesus affirmed that He was the Son of God but that he (the priest), & all others, would see the "Son of Man" seated in Heaven & returning one day to Earth. And to this Caiaphas accused Jesus of blasphemy as Jesus claimed to be God. So this Son of God by Divine right to the Father was also the Son of Man on Earth & is so presently in Heaven, i.e. God in the Flesh seated at the right Hand of God.

It seems strange to me that Jesus would refer to himself as "the Son of Man," since the first man created by God was Adam. I read that in those times, "Son of" meant that person had authority over others. Why not "Father of" instead. Or Son of God. I know that Jesus didn't always like to admit who He was, but I don't get it. Please explain, if possible. Thanks.

I believe that Jesus answered this very well with the parable of the good Samaritan, Luke 10 verses 25 to 37

also James chapter 2 and Matthew chapter 5,6,7, Beatitudes and sermon on the mount,

Luke 10:25

"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

Luke 10:37

"And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

James 2:26

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

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What must I do to be saved?

In the 16th century it appears as "palsy," the form used in the King James Version. This, however, is seldom used at the present day, the Latinized Greek form "paralysis" being more frequently employed, both in modern literature and in colloquial English "Sick of the palsy" is the translation either of the adjective paralutikos or of the participle of the verb paraluomai. The disease is one characterized by extreme loss of the power of motion dependent on some affection either of the motor centers of the brain or of the spinal cord. It is always serious, usually intractable, and generally sudden in onset (1 Macc 9:55 f). Miraculous cures by our Lord are related in general terms, as in Matthew 4:24; Acts 8:7. Aeneas ( Acts 9:33) was probably a paralytic eight years bedridden. Though the Lord addressed the paralytic let down through the roof ( Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:3; Luke 5:18) as "son," it was not necessarily a proof that he was young, and though He prefaces the cure by declaring the forgiveness of sin, we need not infer that the disease was the result of an evil life, although it may have been. Bennett conjectures that the centurion's palsied servant grievously tormented was suffering from progressive paralysis with respiratory spasms (see PAIN). The substantive paralusis is only once used in the Septuagint in Ezekiel 21:10, but here it refers to the loosing of the sword, not to the disease.

Comment by Alexander Macalister

Generally, we understand 'palsy' as a paralysis in some part of the body. In the case of the person stricken with palsy ( Mark 2:3-12), this was the result of some sin in his life - we're not told. But Jesus forgave the man, he was healed & he stood up & walked away.

In verse 3 we read that four people bore him up on a bed (stretcher) to bring him to Jesus (through the roof as the entrance to the house was blocked with people). In accordance with this display of great faith (by the sick man & those who carried him), Jesus was able to heal him.

It would be interesting to know what the original word was for the actual item they plucked: some say corn some say grain some say wheat.

I've always assumed it would be wheat: Corn doesn't come on ears it comes on a cob and it is well

Wrapped up. Hard to get at the individual nuts. Wheat is on the ear.

Also it is more ludicrous that they should be accused of sabbath breaking just for plucking an ear of wheat. Plus of course, taking

A whole cob of corn would get them

arrested for theft.

Thank you for your reply. The reason I ask is that in mark 2:22 says no one puts new wine in old bottles wasn't always wine skins? Also in luke 19:23 uses the word bank "Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury" Did they have banks when they translated 1611 kjv? Also in Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, wasn't it always "the lion shall down with the lamb? And the our father prayer in Luke 11:2, now says "Our Father which art in heaven" wasn't it always "our father WHO art in heaven"? I have many more discrepancies.

It is very hard for us not to judge others. As Christians we should not "judge or condemn" anyone. This will be performed by Jesus at judgement.

We should pray for all of our brothers and sisters in this life, including Catholics, and everyone else.

Matthew 7:1

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

God Bless.

Not entirely true not all Catholics are completely connected to the deceitful aspects of the Catholic church there may be pegan doctrine but not all are unsavedif they have faith in Jesus Christ to which we should pray for them and not determine they are going to hell , that is God's place

Matthew Chapter 12

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every IDLE WzORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Thank you Jesus for your edifying words! This one verse invalidates the confessional of the pagan and brutal great whore of Babylon (the Catholic church pagan religion).

All catholic whoremongers will burn in hell, along their "beloved church satan invention".

Note: not hate speech, just my opinion.

Mark 2:27

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

Matthew 12:8

For the Son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Mark 2:28

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Clearly The Lord is saying that HE IS the Lord of the Sabbath. If you will scour the NEW TESTAMENT on the Sabbath, you will quickly see that Jesus not only healed people on the Sabbath; He preached to thousands on the Sabbath.

The Pharisees, Sadducees and scribes all banded together to destroy Jesus for it, too.

What kind of people call themselves Christian followers of Jesus and lead others to believe we Get To Debate which day of the week is the Sabbath?

How very hastily we walk the wide road into Apostacy. Or, loss of reward at The Bema Seat Judgement of Christ: where there will be rewards or loss of rewards?

Jesus says clearly that He alone is the Lord of the Sabbath. We follow Jesus; not what the world, or other religions teach.

Didn't Jesus pay enough for us to believe what he said and did?

Why don't we dig into the scriptures of what Apostacy is? I've never seen that one debated in here. It's about knowing the right things to do or just walking away from it altogether.

Don't email because this subject is closed, for me, for now.

Dear Annabeth,

The Sabbath is Saturday, and has been since God created the world and rested on the 7th day Sabbath.

Mark 2:27-28

27. And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Many (way too many) of the modern church's today no longer teach that Christians should adhere to the 4th commandment/sabbath, they even go further and teach that all of the commandments are minimized, or no longer in affect. they say they are old laws given during the Old Testament times, and really don't pertain since Christ died on the cross and has risen we are NOW free from the Law. This thinking is inconcevable ....if you really read and understand the scriptures.

When, ministers or others say that we don't need to follow the 4th commandment or the other commandments; I ask them about explaining away this verse by Jesus below:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Silence......

God Bless

Amen A Innocent Lamb dying and Shedding his blood so the Guilty could be covered Jesus on the cross The passover lamb

Born of God - Born Again

Most people on this website claim to be so-called Christians, but in truth are they followers of Jesus Christ or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9)?. Most of them also claim to be so-called 'Born Again', which means 'Born of God', but are they, or is it a form of self-transformation ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15), while in truth they are wearing the wrong garment ( Psalm 6:8; Matthew 7:20-23; 9:16; 22:2-14; Mark 2:21; Luke 5:36)?

For answers to the above questions we invite you to peruse the earlier Comment below.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

On MARK 2:21

By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein ( 1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' ( John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

God is the judge over His Church and teaches us that you must be 'Born Again'. No believer and follower of the true Christ has ever made a claim that they are 'Born Again'. That is judging oneself and falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it.

How do I know that Christ has received me into his kingdom? Has their been some kind of miracle in my life to prove it? Should I experience a miracle or perhaps maybe, I have already experienced a miracle, and not aware of it. Scripture clearly says that Jesus cast out devils and healed the sick! Jesus also said an evil and adulterous people seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given? Not unlike me, the first miracle you shall receive is the miracle that happens the minute you hear and receive Christ words! When we except Christ, truly we are born again! A new life that begins, we hear differently, we see differently, our lives begin in a different direction. The miracle is the LOVE we find in God the Father given to us through Jesus Christ! This is the miracle! The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." Being born again is truly a miracle that is from above!

22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US (the Godhead) to know good and evil (from eating of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil)

and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (God barricades access to the Tree of Life)

23 Therefore the LORD God sent him (Adam) forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Note: the next time you see the Tree of Life mentioned, is in the Book of Revelation; where it was moved to Heaven.

M.

Wesley's Notes for Genesis 3:21

3:21 These coats of skin had a significancy. The beasts whose skins they were, must be slain; slain before their (Adam & Eve) eyes to shew them what death is. And probably 'tis supposed they were slain for sacrifice, to typify the great sacrifice which in the latter end of the world should be offered once for all. Thus the first thing that died was a sacrifice, or Christ in a figure.

M.

Edward, you're spot on. Keep up the great study! God Bless.