As the Holy Ghost guides me to these things. I would like to state to one that asked if there was any account recorded that right after receiving the Holy Ghost, in the NT, they did not speak in "tongues". As of coarse one would be Jesus Christ(which I believe always had the Holy Ghost and did not just receive it at His water baptism but that's another post) but I will give the benefit of the doubt that He was special and not just a regular person. It is actually Saul/Paul in Acts 9:17-20. No account of Him speaking in "tongues" after receiving the Holy Ghost. He straightway preached that Christ is the Son of God.
That last sentence I wrote was just to put it out there. I know you did not say anything about that. It was for someone else who said "God doesn't have hands". I apologize that it came out like that.
Also me stating that I didn't want to "argue" about this topic anymore was not that you and I are arguing. You seem kind in your posts and why I wanted to reply to you.
About Abraham offering up his son to be a kind of parallel to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ I understand. As of coarse it is not exactly the same but numerous parallels. As with others previously someone was interested in parallels to Jesus Christ being dead three days. Some parallels are with Abraham Genesis 22:4, Jonah being in the whales belly Jonah 1:17, Israel being raised on the third day Hosea 6:1-2, David not eat/drink for 3 days & nights (1 Samual 30:12.
The Holy Bible is the living Word of God. There are many, many, things deeper that we can plainly see. Although all we need is right in front of us.
So to reply to the other post you made. About not believing in the devil, not believing in "hell", or you not believing any of us are going to Heaven. As I have made this statement to another on this page. The things I have experienced, in less than two years, most people of this world would not believe. Because they are not of this physical world.
I don't want to get into a discussion about those things you stated as they are just your beliefs. I will not waste my energy going back and forth with anyone on those things. The thing that saddens me the most is you stating "you don't think any of us are going to Heaven". How can you state something like that? So you do not believe the Scriptures and the teachings therein? So it seems?
All I can say is pray to Jesus Christ to set you free and lead you to the truth. Pour your heart out to Him.
Thank you for your time and please do not take anything I wrote as harsh. It was only meant to try and help.
Hi Richard in Christ ,thankyou for your time and energy towards me ,i never said that Stevens vision at his stoning was a metaphor ,i dont believe that it was ,you and i agree on mamy things ,i dont ever really argue with anyone ,not even my husband ! I will state my case and i wouldnt state it so...what word should i use ? Noisily ? Agressively ? Anyway i wouldnt state it if i didnt really believe it ,im not a person who is afraid to say 'i dont know ' if i dont know i will say so and if i really believe something i cant pretend not to ,i feel it would be deceitful of me not to state my beliefs and allow people to assume that i believe the same as they do if i dont and i want to be honest , i certainly dont think any less of anyone who doesnt agree with me ,most of my family are atheists and i still love and respect them as human beings so im still going to love and respect other Christians as i know i should.
Hi Sacha, By any chance did you read any of my first three posts this morning? It was actually Genesis chapter 22 that inspired these posts. Anyway I hope it is cheery your way today when you look out of the flat! Windy here!!!
I would like to reply to your question. So going back to Genesis 22 is the story of Abraham offering up his son Isaac. Which I believe is stated to be a test of faith from God to Abraham. Hebrews 11:7, James 2:21-23. To see how deep his faith truly was. Not just faith but faith by works.
As this topic has come up before I will share my beliefs with some Scripture to it. As another stated also, I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. I believe as God is eternal that instead of Him being alone why not have a Son whom is perfect in every aspect just as He is. To be in Him and with Him always in His heart and in His bosom John 1:18 for companionship (that actually just came to me today as I was standing outside praising the Lord).
I usually state Jesus Christ as Lord along with thirty other names I know by heart that I call Him while in prayer. I do not call Him God personally. Although He is one with God and I believe He is the Word of God(as it states in Revelation 19:13. Also some titles the Father and Son share are Lord of lords, Alpha and Omega, Savior. As in the OT, using only one verse as there are many, that there is no Saviour but the LORD. Isaiah 43:11. Through out the NT God and Jesus Christ are both stated as our Saviour. Just some Titus 1:3, Titus 1:4, Titus 3:4, Titus 3:6.
So as you have your own beliefs, and just as well I have mine, I will stop here as I don't want to quarrel or argue any more about this. I believe Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God is eternal just as the Father and has always been with the Father. Yes His physical life came to this earth being born of Mary. As He had to suffer death for us as a perfect sacrifice or offering for our sins. Which is very honorable and why the Father honors Him higher than any other being. Even the highest Holy angels. Hebrews 1:4.
And about Him being at the Fathers right hand Steven saw this before He was stoned in Acts 7:55-56. So it's not just a metaphor. God Bless
S. Spencer , you have rebuked me and i take it on the chin and thankyou for it ,please ,can you or any one else who belives that Jesus is actually God explain mark ch 13 v 32 and Genesis ch 22 to me ,as for me being ,i guess confrontational ,all of you must know what it feels like to passionately believe something and want everyone else to see it too ,i truely believe that Jesus is not God ,Jesus recieved the Holy Spirit without measure but that doesnt make him God ,no one has told me that Jesus is not God ,it seems very obvious to me ,i know lots of others who believe this also ,i may be in the minority on this site but i can live with that ,i know for sure that God is very merciful and i pray that He will continue to be so to all of us and that He grants us all the best blessings soon ,the complete end to all humans ruling over other humans and His Kingdom filling this His earth from end to end and forever ,may we all meet in person in Christ in those very best days .
Hi everyone ,apart from Mark ch13 v 32 which clearly states or rather Jesus himself states ,that God knows something that Jesus doesnt ,i will appeal to all of you out there who belive that Jesus is God one final time ,this is not a rhetorical question ,please can at least one person try to answer this for me ,what is Genesis ch22 all about ? Why is it there for us to read ? Tell me please all your thoughts (based on scripture) ,regarding this chapter .Thankyou ,if this and Mark ch13 v32 dont make you rethink the matter i shall be silent on this subject no matter how much it burns me to be quiet about it .
God has given us his inspired scripture, and he has given us servants to carry out his Message, ""Messengers" these Messengers are gifts and he also given the messengers gifts.
Ephesians 4:1-15. I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
WITH all LOWLINESS and MEEKNESS, with LONGSUFFERING, forbearing one another in LOVE;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of PEACE.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the sleight of men, and CUNNING CRAFTINESS, WHEREBY THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE;
But speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
John 14:6-7. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
""If the messengers don't display the truth, Christ is not in him and we don't follow his teachings, because we being Jesus sheep don't hear Jesus voice, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE!
Christian vs Pagan names for PassoverEaster on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Pagan named Holidays vs Christian
Easter was originally the celebration of Ishtar, the Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility and sex. After Constantine decided to Christianize the Empire, Easter was changed to represent Jesus. But at its roots, Easter (which is how you pronounce Ishtar) is all about celebrating fertility and sex.
Ishtar(ProperNoun) A goddess of fertility, love, sex and war. In the Babylonian pantheon, she was the divine personification of the planet Venus. Assyrian and Babylonian counterpart to the Sumerian Inanna and to the cognate northwest Semitic goddess Astarte.
Pagan goddess of Easter
"Eostre"
But in English-speaking countries, and in Germany, Easter takes its name from a pagan goddess from Anglo-Saxon England who was described in a book by the eighth-century English monk Bede. "Eostre was a goddess of spring or renewal and that's why her feast is attached to the vernal equinox."
Passover is the Christian equivalent to the pagan Holiday of Easter.
The word "Easter" (or its equivalents) appear in the Bible only once in Acts 12:4. This passage refers to Herod killing John, the brother of James. Peter was to be next, so Peter was put in prison until after the pagan holiday of Easter (for Jews & Christians, the Passover). That's the night the Angel of the Lord broke Peter out of prison! Hallelujah!
As Christians living in the last days before Jesus's Return, let us not be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
When my son was young, we did not observe Halloween period. We went to school Harvest celebration: fish pond, cake walks, etc. I gave him 20.00 to spend on Brachs candy, NOT Halloween candy. Best I could do. He had fun.
Passover/Easter we went to church. I bought reg. Big candy bars & we hid them all over the house. We'd find candy bars through JULY, and just laugh and arm wrestle for it. He knew Pink Energizer Bunny was a toy and Jesus went to the cross for our sins. Best I could do...
Thank you for that kind reply. It seems we have the same mind as I enjoy to read and agree with your detailed posts. Just as you stated Matthew 7:20-23. I also brought that up in that it doesn't matter how much we prophecy, or cast out devils(speaking in tongues also) that is not what saves us. God searches hearts and knows His sheep.
As in another post of yours I also agree Jesus Christ pre-existed. Having Scripture that shows this. Thank you for all of your detailed posts. You also being connect to the true vine our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 21:22-23 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:1-7 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him:
And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And He said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Mishael on Ministry Gifts and operations of Holy Spirit on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
I Corinthians chapters 12-14
The Holy Spirit now in operation on earth since the day of Pentecost (book of Acts).
Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God; He delegated gift giving to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit gives the gifts of the Spirit, as He wills. He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ, on earth, now.
If it's in the New Testament, then it is New Testament living for now till Jesus comes back. This is a new and better Covenant. Each born again Christian is indwelled by the Holy Spirit. "Know ye not you are the Temple of the living God?"
If we don't read our Bibles beyond, Psalm 23, 1 John 1:9, Psalm 51 or Genesis; Matthew 25:29-46, we'll miss seeing the Ministry Gifts.
The whole of the purpose of the Cross was to strip Satan of his power he stole from Adam; Ratify the New Covenant with His Blood. To deliver the Holy Spirit to the New Testament Church
(Pentecost). Jesus would then be in every born again believers, spirit. Fulfill all outstanding Prophesy; start writing the New Testament down
If we are skittish about Tongues, the Holy Spirit knows that. He's in us. We're the temple. Scripture says to desire the best gifts or operations, like: government, hospitality, missions, and more, like ministry gifts=prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists, apostles. Etc. It's written.
New Testament disciples and believers were saying things like, I follow Peter or Paul and others. It was new and that's how people think to identify. Herd mentality.
Habakkuk 2:2
And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon table ,so that he may run that readeth it. (They didn't have paper notebooks then, or personal Bibles!)
You will find your identity in the pages of your Bible. I've said that for 36 years. Jesus will help us understand our particular equippings. He hasn't told me to scratch that one out and move along; so, it still stands as Rhema. Google that word...
Thank you for your humidity and longsuffering displaying fruit, something we get by being connected to the true vine,
That's confirmation to the onlookers that you are a believer in Christ
I also believe in gifts of the spirit but not as for confirming salvation,
Balaams donkey prophesied that don't mean he was saved.
Look at the contrast below in vs 20, fruit is confirmation to the onlookers but notice vs 22 and 23, The Lord didn't reject claim of prophesying. They were fruitless, never connected to the vine.
Matthew 7:20-23
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I believe in spiritual gifts but for edifying the body
I believe the gift of tongues has ceased,
Again Thank you for showing what being joined with Christ should look like.
Thank you very much for that touching comment. You just as I have proved stead fast and solid in our faith to the Lord. Your posting here is very important as you are very learned in the Scriptures. I am very thankful you came back at just the right time when you were needed here. Again, you are a very important member in the body of Christ. As I was waiting to see the reply you would received and if he would have rejected you as he did me. As we still may see.
All glory, praise, and thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
May the Lord pour His Blessings upon you. Peace be with you brother.
The Lord bless you & strengthen your resolve brother Richard. You have stood your ground well basing your comments entirely on God's precious Word. May His Spirit both inspire & energize you as you consider other folk's comments & respond as "thus saith the LORD". With Christian love & special gratitude for your unshakeable faith.
Hi Richard in Christ ,thanks so much for your thoughtfull message ,please dont worry about me ,i realise that some times we will agree with each other and some times we will disagree and thats ok ,i also believe that those very special Spirit gifts were given at that time to help the spread of the gospel just as i believe that the only thing we need in this time is that which has been provided for us by God ,His word in our Bibles ,this will bring us to Him , all will be crystal clear to us all when Christ returns ,which cant be soon enough can it ? ! I just wish we could disagree respectfully and without a contentious attitude ,if we could all do this we might learn a lot from each other ,i like to be provoked into thinking about things in a different way ,its how we learn ,may God continue to bless us all and bring us closer to each other and to Him .
As I'm sure you may have seen that Andrew has already rejected me and counted me a heretic. Do not let this man break your faith because you haven't spoken in "tongues". As he also tried to tell me I don't have the Holy Ghost because I don't speak in tongues. Which is false and he will find out one day.
Just as I stated to him It wouldn't surprise me that I was not the first child of God he rejected. Obviously not the last either.
The Conception Birth of Jesus - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Luke 1 details The Virgin Mary's firstborn, Jesus.
Matthew 1, details Mary's husband, Joseph, and his part in Jesus's coming into this world.
LUKE chapter 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [Mary is still a virgin]
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV ,i am in fact a sister in Christ ,ive never memtioned that on this site before ,i have never spoken in tongues ,i hope you wont hold that against me ! I was baptized in 1996 .
To re-state: I certainly don't believe in a "triune co-equal triple god". There is only One God from Whom goes His Word & His Spirit. And John 1:1 states that that Word was with God & was God. And then verse 14 states that the Word was made flesh. That Word has now been brought into the World as Jesus. So who is this Jesus? Even Colossians 1:15-19 tells us that Jesus (the Word) was involved in creation & now is the Head of the Body.
You said that 'God created everything in Genesis 1'. "He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth." Was Jesus the Son of God in creation? No. Only the Word of God was spoken in creation. But God chose to send forth His Word "in due time" clothed in flesh for the suffering of death. I know nothing of the "beguilement of Rome & her sorcerers", but the Scriptures reveal who Jesus is, "the Word of God made man". If this simple yet profound Truth can be made to mean something else, then I would have to query so much of the Bible that might have other such secret hidden meanings, making it altogether useless to me, leaving me floundering in confusion.
Even 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." "Three, Three". Why is it even in there, if it were not important to reveal the three-fold Nature of the One God? And that to me (without the intrusion of the supposed trickery of Rome), is clear evidence of a Triune God: One God revealed in His Fullness: Father, Word & the Holy Spirit - all Three in operation for the salvation of mankind & no doubt, in the final judgement upon the World. Blessings.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
No worries Chris,
You only get two admonitions.
God has a 2 strike law.
However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:
We aren't splitting hairs.
The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".
Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.
Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.
Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.
I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.
When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."
I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).
How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.
Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:
1 John 5:20-21
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ our Passover Lamb for ever and ever!
Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.
Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.
Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.
This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:16-17
And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.
Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.
P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?
Sacha, it is a pleasure to hear words of a pure heart. There are verses that can be used out of context to complicate the simplicity of Christ. Here is one that cannot be perverted or twisted. No debate hear stand strong in the truth.
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
That last sentence I wrote was just to put it out there. I know you did not say anything about that. It was for someone else who said "God doesn't have hands". I apologize that it came out like that.
Also me stating that I didn't want to "argue" about this topic anymore was not that you and I are arguing. You seem kind in your posts and why I wanted to reply to you.
About Abraham offering up his son to be a kind of parallel to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ I understand. As of coarse it is not exactly the same but numerous parallels. As with others previously someone was interested in parallels to Jesus Christ being dead three days. Some parallels are with Abraham Genesis 22:4, Jonah being in the whales belly Jonah 1:17, Israel being raised on the third day Hosea 6:1-2, David not eat/drink for 3 days & nights (1 Samual 30:12.
The Holy Bible is the living Word of God. There are many, many, things deeper that we can plainly see. Although all we need is right in front of us.
So to reply to the other post you made. About not believing in the devil, not believing in "hell", or you not believing any of us are going to Heaven. As I have made this statement to another on this page. The things I have experienced, in less than two years, most people of this world would not believe. Because they are not of this physical world.
I don't want to get into a discussion about those things you stated as they are just your beliefs. I will not waste my energy going back and forth with anyone on those things. The thing that saddens me the most is you stating "you don't think any of us are going to Heaven". How can you state something like that? So you do not believe the Scriptures and the teachings therein? So it seems?
All I can say is pray to Jesus Christ to set you free and lead you to the truth. Pour your heart out to Him.
Thank you for your time and please do not take anything I wrote as harsh. It was only meant to try and help.
God Bless.
Carleton
I would like to reply to your question. So going back to Genesis 22 is the story of Abraham offering up his son Isaac. Which I believe is stated to be a test of faith from God to Abraham. Hebrews 11:7, James 2:21-23. To see how deep his faith truly was. Not just faith but faith by works.
As this topic has come up before I will share my beliefs with some Scripture to it. As another stated also, I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. I believe as God is eternal that instead of Him being alone why not have a Son whom is perfect in every aspect just as He is. To be in Him and with Him always in His heart and in His bosom John 1:18 for companionship (that actually just came to me today as I was standing outside praising the Lord).
I usually state Jesus Christ as Lord along with thirty other names I know by heart that I call Him while in prayer. I do not call Him God personally. Although He is one with God and I believe He is the Word of God(as it states in Revelation 19:13. Also some titles the Father and Son share are Lord of lords, Alpha and Omega, Savior. As in the OT, using only one verse as there are many, that there is no Saviour but the LORD. Isaiah 43:11. Through out the NT God and Jesus Christ are both stated as our Saviour. Just some Titus 1:3, Titus 1:4, Titus 3:4, Titus 3:6.
So as you have your own beliefs, and just as well I have mine, I will stop here as I don't want to quarrel or argue any more about this. I believe Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God is eternal just as the Father and has always been with the Father. Yes His physical life came to this earth being born of Mary. As He had to suffer death for us as a perfect sacrifice or offering for our sins. Which is very honorable and why the Father honors Him higher than any other being. Even the highest Holy angels. Hebrews 1:4.
And about Him being at the Fathers right hand Steven saw this before He was stoned in Acts 7:55-56. So it's not just a metaphor. God Bless
Why did not God say Jesus is me ?
And why did Jesus not say I'm God ?
The answer is that would be a lie . God does not lie .
God has given us his inspired scripture, and he has given us servants to carry out his Message, ""Messengers" these Messengers are gifts and he also given the messengers gifts.
Ephesians 4:1-15. I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
WITH all LOWLINESS and MEEKNESS, with LONGSUFFERING, forbearing one another in LOVE;
Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of PEACE.
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the sleight of men, and CUNNING CRAFTINESS, WHEREBY THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE;
But speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
John 14:6-7. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
""If the messengers don't display the truth, Christ is not in him and we don't follow his teachings, because we being Jesus sheep don't hear Jesus voice, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE!
Easter was originally the celebration of Ishtar, the Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility and sex. After Constantine decided to Christianize the Empire, Easter was changed to represent Jesus. But at its roots, Easter (which is how you pronounce Ishtar) is all about celebrating fertility and sex.
Ishtar(ProperNoun) A goddess of fertility, love, sex and war. In the Babylonian pantheon, she was the divine personification of the planet Venus. Assyrian and Babylonian counterpart to the Sumerian Inanna and to the cognate northwest Semitic goddess Astarte.
Pagan goddess of Easter
"Eostre"
But in English-speaking countries, and in Germany, Easter takes its name from a pagan goddess from Anglo-Saxon England who was described in a book by the eighth-century English monk Bede. "Eostre was a goddess of spring or renewal and that's why her feast is attached to the vernal equinox."
Passover is the Christian equivalent to the pagan Holiday of Easter.
The word "Easter" (or its equivalents) appear in the Bible only once in Acts 12:4. This passage refers to Herod killing John, the brother of James. Peter was to be next, so Peter was put in prison until after the pagan holiday of Easter (for Jews & Christians, the Passover). That's the night the Angel of the Lord broke Peter out of prison! Hallelujah!
As Christians living in the last days before Jesus's Return, let us not be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
When my son was young, we did not observe Halloween period. We went to school Harvest celebration: fish pond, cake walks, etc. I gave him 20.00 to spend on Brachs candy, NOT Halloween candy. Best I could do. He had fun.
Passover/Easter we went to church. I bought reg. Big candy bars & we hid them all over the house. We'd find candy bars through JULY, and just laugh and arm wrestle for it. He knew Pink Energizer Bunny was a toy and Jesus went to the cross for our sins. Best I could do...
Mishael
Thank you for that kind reply. It seems we have the same mind as I enjoy to read and agree with your detailed posts. Just as you stated Matthew 7:20-23. I also brought that up in that it doesn't matter how much we prophecy, or cast out devils(speaking in tongues also) that is not what saves us. God searches hearts and knows His sheep.
As in another post of yours I also agree Jesus Christ pre-existed. Having Scripture that shows this. Thank you for all of your detailed posts. You also being connect to the true vine our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 21:22-23 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:1-7 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him:
And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And He said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
The Holy Spirit now in operation on earth since the day of Pentecost (book of Acts).
Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God; He delegated gift giving to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit gives the gifts of the Spirit, as He wills. He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ, on earth, now.
If it's in the New Testament, then it is New Testament living for now till Jesus comes back. This is a new and better Covenant. Each born again Christian is indwelled by the Holy Spirit. "Know ye not you are the Temple of the living God?"
If we don't read our Bibles beyond, Psalm 23, 1 John 1:9, Psalm 51 or Genesis; Matthew 25:29-46, we'll miss seeing the Ministry Gifts.
The whole of the purpose of the Cross was to strip Satan of his power he stole from Adam; Ratify the New Covenant with His Blood. To deliver the Holy Spirit to the New Testament Church
(Pentecost). Jesus would then be in every born again believers, spirit. Fulfill all outstanding Prophesy; start writing the New Testament down
If we are skittish about Tongues, the Holy Spirit knows that. He's in us. We're the temple. Scripture says to desire the best gifts or operations, like: government, hospitality, missions, and more, like ministry gifts=prophets, teachers, pastors, evangelists, apostles. Etc. It's written.
New Testament disciples and believers were saying things like, I follow Peter or Paul and others. It was new and that's how people think to identify. Herd mentality.
Habakkuk 2:2
And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon table ,so that he may run that readeth it. (They didn't have paper notebooks then, or personal Bibles!)
You will find your identity in the pages of your Bible. I've said that for 36 years. Jesus will help us understand our particular equippings. He hasn't told me to scratch that one out and move along; so, it still stands as Rhema. Google that word...
Believe Jesus's words. Bible.
Thank you for your humidity and longsuffering displaying fruit, something we get by being connected to the true vine,
That's confirmation to the onlookers that you are a believer in Christ
I also believe in gifts of the spirit but not as for confirming salvation,
Balaams donkey prophesied that don't mean he was saved.
Look at the contrast below in vs 20, fruit is confirmation to the onlookers but notice vs 22 and 23, The Lord didn't reject claim of prophesying. They were fruitless, never connected to the vine.
Matthew 7:20-23
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I believe in spiritual gifts but for edifying the body
I believe the gift of tongues has ceased,
Again Thank you for showing what being joined with Christ should look like.
Thank you very much for that touching comment. You just as I have proved stead fast and solid in our faith to the Lord. Your posting here is very important as you are very learned in the Scriptures. I am very thankful you came back at just the right time when you were needed here. Again, you are a very important member in the body of Christ. As I was waiting to see the reply you would received and if he would have rejected you as he did me. As we still may see.
All glory, praise, and thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
May the Lord pour His Blessings upon you. Peace be with you brother.
As I'm sure you may have seen that Andrew has already rejected me and counted me a heretic. Do not let this man break your faith because you haven't spoken in "tongues". As he also tried to tell me I don't have the Holy Ghost because I don't speak in tongues. Which is false and he will find out one day.
Just as I stated to him It wouldn't surprise me that I was not the first child of God he rejected. Obviously not the last either.
God Bless you.
Matthew 1, details Mary's husband, Joseph, and his part in Jesus's coming into this world.
LUKE chapter 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [Mary is still a virgin]
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
To re-state: I certainly don't believe in a "triune co-equal triple god". There is only One God from Whom goes His Word & His Spirit. And John 1:1 states that that Word was with God & was God. And then verse 14 states that the Word was made flesh. That Word has now been brought into the World as Jesus. So who is this Jesus? Even Colossians 1:15-19 tells us that Jesus (the Word) was involved in creation & now is the Head of the Body.
You said that 'God created everything in Genesis 1'. "He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth." Was Jesus the Son of God in creation? No. Only the Word of God was spoken in creation. But God chose to send forth His Word "in due time" clothed in flesh for the suffering of death. I know nothing of the "beguilement of Rome & her sorcerers", but the Scriptures reveal who Jesus is, "the Word of God made man". If this simple yet profound Truth can be made to mean something else, then I would have to query so much of the Bible that might have other such secret hidden meanings, making it altogether useless to me, leaving me floundering in confusion.
Even 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." "Three, Three". Why is it even in there, if it were not important to reveal the three-fold Nature of the One God? And that to me (without the intrusion of the supposed trickery of Rome), is clear evidence of a Triune God: One God revealed in His Fullness: Father, Word & the Holy Spirit - all Three in operation for the salvation of mankind & no doubt, in the final judgement upon the World. Blessings.
You only get two admonitions.
God has a 2 strike law.
However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:
We aren't splitting hairs.
The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".
Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.
Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.
Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.
I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.
When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."
I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).
How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.
Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:
1 John 5:20-21
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Sincerely,
Andrew
Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.
Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.
Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.
This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:16-17
And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.
Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.
P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?
Will lead us all into All truth if we have him .
There are no excuses not to have Gods will understood . If we read the bible and are lead by the Holy Spirit .
2 Timothy 3.16 is well worth holding to and applying! Amen
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Peace to you and your family, Ron