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Mark 8:35-37: "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

Text from bible with the words what does it gain a main if gets the whole world and suffers the loss of his soul

You have written perfect and truth, we teach the same, first to become Disciple ( mark 8:34) and make Disciples ( mat 28:19) so we are chosen by God to do his will ( John 6:38) so let us build the Body of CHRIST with 100% Holiness!

Mark 8:38, "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."

Those words of Jesus certainly mean, as you suggest, to deny Christ. But it could also mean that, in the midst of a Christ-rejecting people, we recoil from the Truth, whether we choose to keep quiet or even speak words that are so diluted so as to not offend anyone. We live in a World where we're being told that it's not right to offend anyone's person or beliefs. And this is correct, but when we then altogether refuse to speak up (in love & concern) for what is right & ordained in God's Word, then there is little difference to the one who is outwardly a denier of Christ in the midst of testing or persecution.

Not all Christians can be of the calibre of standing & preaching the Gospel to a crowd, but then again, most would rather keep their 'faith' private, sometimes so private that another person hardly notices that any difference. I'm retired now, but whenever I applied for a job earlier & the opportunity was there, I made sure that I stated that I was a Christian & adhered to biblical values & that my work ethic is based on my faith. Not that my position in Christ should have made any difference to the prospective employer, but I believed that the foundation was laid from the beginning, so any other action or event subsequent to it, could be seen as a result of my faith which was real & active. Of course, I too was under their scrutiny to live the Christian life before them. It's always a good policy to let others know of your new life in Christ, even in passing, for no other reason that to give you the incentive & boldness to live your life out, without reservation, before men.

What does it mean to deny Christ in this sinful generation and be ashamed how can I apply this to my own life as a believer? Mark 38

Generations, Tenth

Deuteronomy 23:3

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their TENTH generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his TENTH generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

[a non-covenant believer]

Mark 8:12

And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

Malachi 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Isaiah 41:4

Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 58:12

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Matthew 1:17

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

In the "time of Abraham a generation was an hundred years, thus: Gen." "15:16, "In the fourth generation" = in four hundred years (comp." verse 13 and Ex. 12:40). In Deut. 1:35 and 2:14 a generation is a period of thirty-eight years.

Mishael

What Jesus spoke of in Mark 4:11,12 is an echo of what God said to Isaiah in Isaiah 6:8-11. In that portion, Isaiah actually had to tell the people that they would not understand God's message to them as an indictment to the stubbornness of their hearts.

Jesus gives the same warning to those living during His times, as they too were hardly ready to receive great spiritual Truths when they had to first realize that 'indeed, the Messiah of God had come amongst them'. So it was through parables, using illustrations that the people could easily understand, that people would be drawn to listen as well as the many miracles He performed in their sight.

Many did believe that Jesus was the coming Christ as a result of this, but it was only after the Cross that Jesus' Words could be understood for the wisdom that was contained in them. However, to His disciples, they were given special insight, and even here, we often sense that they too were sometimes 'hard of hearing' & wondered as to the words of Jesus. For one such example, see Mark 8:14-16. But the Blessed Teacher was there to give them Light, drawing them closer to fully understanding Who He was & the purpose of His Coming.

This is literally mansions the Lord Jesus is talking about. Jesus is talking here. He even said "if it were not so, I would have told you." God is always true with His word and God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfil? - Number 23:19

When the Lord says I am free then I am free. For He says, "So if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed." - John 8:36

That's why Paul says, "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace." - Ephesians 1:7

Why can't we believe a God who chose to die for the sins of many so we can attain the life everlasting? It could have been us who should be on that cross but no. Because of His richness in grace and mercy "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us". - Romans 5:8

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord - Romans 6:23

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him - 2 Corinthians 5:21

God chose to love us even we are unlovable. We are wretched people and we need a saviour cause there is no good in us; No one is righteous, no! not one. - Romans 3:10

What shall it profit me if I gained the whole world and lose my own soul? - Mark 8:36

It is better for me to be in His courts than a thousand anywhere else! I would rather be a gatekeeper in the house of my God than live the good life in the homes of the wicked - Psalms 84:10

For it is appointed for men, us, to die once but after this is judgment.

Death is real. Hell is real.

That's why God sent Jesus once and for all to die for many once. He is not going to do it again.

That is why we need a Saviour. We can only be saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.

Are you ready to receive Him?

Comments by Alex on Mark 8 v 22 KJV The blind man was symbolic of the Church that cd not see clealry under the 1st anointing, (Early CHURCH DOCTRINE) answers to the 1st anointing, Jesus spat ( his word ) in the blindmans eyes but he saw men as trees walking impling fruitless trees that are not grounded in the living word put out no fruit. Trees cannot be fruit bearing unless they are grounded ,Thats the early CHURCH they cd not see clearly,Even Paul said we see like thru a glass Darkly. We prophecy in part and we know in part etc But when that which is PERFECT is come, the 2 nd anointing, the 2 nd coming, the opening of the book resulting in a birth of CHRIST IN US, WHICH ANSWERS TO THE 2 ND WINE WAS THE BEST WINE. Early CHURCH doctrine was not the best wine spritually speaking.Thats y God found fault with the 7 churches in ASIA,the book had not been opened just yet,Thats y Paul said when that which is PERFECT is come that which is done in part will be done away with. The Church needs that 2 nd Anointing. thats y there are a zillion different Churches,on every corner they cannot see clearly under early Church doctrine,thus its all confusion. They have turned to money,Riches and wealth the gift of God there Doctine. At pentecost they were all intoxicated in the SPIRIT BUT THEY RAN OUTA OF THAT WINE,the best wine does not come till the 3 rd day, we are just beginning the 3 rd day now. A day being a 1000 yrs.When Jesus took the blindman by his hand and led him outta of the city means the blindman was symbolic of the early church that cd not see clearly under the 1st anointing,( early church doctrine). The best doctrine is the book in the right hand of the father that has not been opened just yet. The 2 nd wine,That image in Dan. 2 was all in Parts but it had to be destroyed,Paul said when that which is Perfect is come that which is done in Parts will be done away with. Thats y there are a zillion different Churches no body can see clearly under early CHURCH DOCTRINE.

After reading Earl's reply, Christ does things for mankind ,while at the same time the house of Israel. How his work and word are eternal . How the book of revelation also is a work in progress, now and forever until Christ returns! Too comprehend His return and how and when, are indeed are what we all look for! It will happen with some of us sooner than others. When our flesh gives up the ghost we will most certainly see Him as He is, according to the spirit that lives in us! The scripture is the light of the truths we who hope in Him speak! the voice of angels.

That's what i thought alex was putting the church as coming out of egypt

thanks may god bless you and your family always

The Jews are not the church. If they are saved, they are a part of the church. The church is made up of all the saved no matter what nation they are from.

Thank you, our concept of What the lord has in store for those that love Him. (I) eye hath not seen nor ear heard those things He has for those that love Him. I really enjoy hearing the readers of the kjv ,their interpretation of The holy Spirit. insightful! Glory to God! May His kingdom grow according too His will!

"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Christ enters Jerusalem, enters the temple, and begins his final act of cleansing it. Throwing out money changers, that bought and sold, that made His house a house of merchandise. Not unlike the cleansing that takes place when we open the door to the temple of our hearts. Christ comes in and takes His place eliminating all sin that is within us! The scribes and pharisees ask Christ by what authority He does these things? Christ reminds them of John the Baptist! Christ asks them about The baptism of John, if it were of heaven or of men? How wonderful is His word, He reminds us of the baptism of John! While he convicts the leaders of the church of sin,at the same time reminding us of our baptism that it comes from heaven and not of men!

Fred, may the Holy Spirit grace us with his understanding, when the (children of the resurrection) physical body dies our spirit (now one with the Spirit of God through the work of Christ) in the twinkle of an eye we (corruptible) shall put on Christ (incorruption), and this mortal (us) shall put on Christ (immortality). I Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light (God)...... Luke 20:35-36 But they (children of the resurrection) which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that (Spirit) world, and the resurrection from the dead....(vs) 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire. Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Psalms 149:6-9 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edge sword in their hand; (vs) 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen (nations), and punishments upon the people; (vs) 9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this honour have all his saints.... Revelation 14:6 And I say another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on earth ( Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years (church age) are expired, (the children of) Satan shall be loosed out of his (Gods) prison (the grave, the wages of sin is death), and to every nation, and kindred and tongue and people. Matthew 13:33 And the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven (Spirit of God) which a woman ( Galatians 4:26 new, spiritual Jerusalem the mother of us all) took and hid in three measures of meal (us, the meat offering to God), till the whole (lump, all mankind) was leavened (by the Spirit of God).

From my observations, and I could be wrong, it may be because of the age of the Thread, or that the Thread itself has become too long. You've probably noticed how the latest comments being attached get narrower in appearance. Once I had to read a comment with one word on each line! So, I think 'locking' Threads is a reasonable thing to do & after all, a person can just start a new Comment since a lot of our comments disappear into antiquity very soon.

Why are some comments threads locked. Says this sometimes/This comment thread is locked.

Alex comments to Earl Bowman. Thanks Bro. Earl GBU love all your comments.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Looking through a glass darkly would not present the past, Paul is speaking of the future, since we are talking about the salvation of man ,and the kingdom of God. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. When our Lord died on the cross it was one time only, not 2. The redemption for mankind ,for the world 1 Time! This was the hope of Abraham ,Isaac, Jacob. David, the promise that you say is clouded? This anointing we receive, is his shed blood! 1 time for the sins of the world.

The spiritual kingdom is the kingdom Christ established on earth after Christ resurrection. The church are those that teach and believe that he will fulfil his word when He returns for his church. His "bride. All through the gospel we see evidence that his own received him not. I wonder if Christ preferred to be alone with this blind man since he was brought unto him, knowing once that they maybe trying to deceive him into there own craftiness? Not unlike today who deny him, even those of the "nation" of Israel. There are always those who want to disclaim Him, even in the church of our own nation. It is a good interpretation nevertheless. God is saving us all the time. Even before our very own eyes!

Alex, a second witness to the woman in Revelation 12, I Timothy 2:14-15 And Adam (symbolic of Christ) was not deceived, but the woman (symbolic of us, as is the woman in Revelation 12) being deceived was in the transgression. (vs) 15 Notwithstanding she (the woman, us) shall be saved (from death) in childbearing (by giving birth to a child (us) fathered by the Holy Ghost, same as was Christ, for our life is Christ), if they (all women, all of us are the woman) continue in faith (in Christ) and charity (in Christ) and holiness (in Christ) with sobriety(in Christ).

Alex what Bible verse says the Nation of Israel The Jews is the church i am confused I thought they were separate ???

excellent! keep reading!

Comments by Alex about Mark 8 v 22 Jesus have to pray for the blindman a 2 nd time And Jesus is God why wd he have to pray for the blindman a 2 nd time.lemme tell ya why. Jesus had to take the blindman by his hand and lead him outta of the city,Thus the blindman is symbolic of the Church.God had to take the church in the wilderness by the hand lead her outta of Egypt. She was blind spritually. The early Church cd not see clearly under the 1st anointing even Paul says we see like thru a glass darkly Early Church doctrine cd not enable the Church to see clearly. Early Church doctrine was the 1st anointing, We see in part etc, Nobody can see clearly under early Church doctrine thats y we have 1000s of churches on every corner its simply b/c we cannot see clearly under the 1st anointing, There has to be a 2 nd anointing, Which is the 2 nd coming when he will pour out his spirit on all flesh and we will all march together and not break rank as Joel said When that book is opened Then the kingdom will come. When that which is perfect is come that which is done in parts will be done away with. Thats y they sang a new song when the book was opened the book is the new Covenant ( that 2 nd Anointing ) we will all see clearly in that day.We will all bring forth fruit unto God we will no more be as trees walking ( fruitless trees ) But now there are not even 2 ppl under 1 roof that can agree on 1 scripture, We need that 2 nd anointing to see clearly, which is the 2 nd coming when he will pour out his spirit on all flesh, Then we will all see clearly no more churches on every corner but Christ is gonna be born in our hearts abide in me and i in you,Thats y he always called himself the son of man, mankind is gona bring forth fruit unto God which is a baby Christ the SON OF MAN the H.G. the Children of PROMISE, OUR NEW BIRTH. She brought forth a manchild that IS GONNA RULE ALL NATIONS, Thats the results of the new covenant, the seed of the SOWER TH WORDS OF GOD THE 2N ANOINTING.

Hello again,

I did try to answer your questions with scripture.

Regarding Peter, I've asked the same question before. The Holy Spirit was not yet given to mankind, and he was not born again when he denied Christ.

The time is rapidly approaching when every Christian will be tempted to deny Christ before people, in order save their temporary lives. Most "Christians" will deny Him, erroneously and fatally thinking "Oh, God will forgive me." No, He won't. He says he won't forgive you right here: "But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God." Luke 12:9

If you will remember anything from our conversation, please remember these words of Jesus.

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it." Mark 8:35

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Look at the context of this verse. The one sin that won't be forgiven is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Right before Jesus said this, he said that those who deny Him (Jesus) before men will be denied eternal life. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and that sin will not be forgiven.

If we deny Christ, we were never saved to begin with, and we are denied eternal life.

"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." Luke 9:24, Matt 16.25, Mark 8:35, Luke 17:33

It's ok to share your beliefs, but please be respectful of the majority of Christians who do not share your belief. We are to be in unity and not start unproductive quarrels. This sounds like a provoking statement to make as if inviting an argument, because someone will then reply with the normal scriptures supporting the trinity and you will refute that with your own scripture and interpretation and nothing will change. Neither party will change opinions, but may become frustrated with my others don't interpret scripture the same way you do. One strategy is to state ones interpretation without accusing the majority of following satan or anything else. And the same can always be said in reverse. God bless.

Full Disclosure: I am not a Christian. But in a recent reading of Mark 8:11 - 9:1, I noticed that they had very similar content - the same story. What stood out was Matthew 16:9, absent in Mark.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:

and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:

and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Which I interpret as conferring on Peter the authority that Jesus holds - the power of God. I find this troubling.

The bible says that false teachers would bring in Damnable heresies into the Church .

Why is the Trintarian so bad ?

It distorts the very Character of God .

It's actually another gospel .

So when Jesus says when the door is closed and they shut out . I never knew you , evil workers he called them .

How can you support a doctrine not found in the Scriptures and many people suffered from it ? Even death .

It s devils doctrine , and yes most find it confusing, that's the nature of the devil confusion.

I would make a link but I do not think we are supposed to on this website. A search to read from "Restitution" from a library for free might need to have the words : "University of Chicago" included.

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