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  • T. Levis - In Reply on Luke 3 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Luke 9:1,2,11, 1Corinthians 12, Psalms 6:2, Matthew 10:1,8, Mark 9:23, Mark 9:14-29, Mark 16:17-18,

    I have also noticed the Laws given Moses in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc. about what GOD said not to eat many of those proven to causes of health problems. I know someone that changed diet & cured her diabetes.

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Marke - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    A Christian who is walking with God can pray for anything according to the will of God and it will be given to him. But the Christian must have faith and faith is based upon the written word of God so any requests not harmonizing with God's word will not be granted by God.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    Brother Spencer, thanks for your encouraging words'
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    Asking for help in my unbelief!!

    Valuable piece in verse 24 Brother Jesse.

    God bless.
  • ELB - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    Brother bill mc:

    mark 9:23 jesus said unto him, if thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

    what is it that we have to believe? what's inside this belief that make all things possible?

    ephesians 4:4 there is one body, and one spirit ......

    ephesians 4:6 one god and father or all .....

    christ is the body, the father (spirit< truth< life) dwells in the body (of christ).

    john 5:26 for as the father hath life in himself; so hath he given the son to have life in himself.

    john 5:19 .....the son can do nothing of himself .....

    christ is the body of the father, everything is done by the father through the action of the body. his son, christ.

    all things are possible for christ, because he has the father indwelling him.

    through the operation of the cross, we can now have the father (spirit< truth
  • Giannis - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    It means that if one has faith in God that He hears and answers back when one is asking something from Him then God will definitely answer back. So have faith in God that He will give you anything you ask for.

    Please read Matthew 7:7-11.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    Bill,

    In Mark 9:23, Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.



    So Jesus said to him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him that believes.



    But look what the man says in Verse 24, and this is a beautiful, beautiful picture of how we ought to approach the Lord.

    "And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief."



    Nowhere in the Bible does it challenge someone to come up with their own faith so that Jesus can perform in your life. That's the cry of a person. I believe, but Lord Help my unbelief because I can't believe. Only God can give me that. Help my unbelief!



    It is always the strong point in a person's life when they can approach the Lord, even as a nonbeliever, even if you don't understand the things of God, you can still approach Him and say "Lord, if you are real, make yourself real to me!"



    I mean, as a nonbeliever, as somebody who doesn't believe in God, you are asking God to do it all because you realize your human inability to figure Him out.

    But how are you going to find God? How are you going to know about Him? You know, when you come to Him and say, help my unbelief, I am empty, magnify yourself to me, show yourself to me, because I don't have the ability to know, and He reaches down to those people to manifest Himself.

    Hope this helps!
  • Bill Mc on Mark 9 - 2 years ago
    Can you please explain Mark CH9 v 23
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Linda,

    If I may give another understanding of why Jesus told Peter "Get the behind me Satan". We find this in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33. It may seem that Satan was influencing Peter, but Satan wanted Jesus to be killed because that would stop Jesus the Messiah from setting up the kingdom on earth, God's plan was hidden, even from the disciples.

    Everyone and the disciples thought when the Messiah came, He would set up the Kingdom and set up the new world order. Jesus told them several times He would be killed and be resurrected, Matthew 16:21 Matthew 17:22-23 Mark 8:31 Mark 9:31-32 Mark 10:32-34. In Luke 9:44-45 it was hidden from them until He was resurrected Luke 24:6-8, and later the Holy Spirit would bring all remembrance to them, John 14:26.

    The understanding of those sayings was hidden, and Peter took Jesus aside and was saying surely God would have mercy and not let this happen. Jesus turned away and when He said what He did all the disciples heard what He said. The word Satan was originally a common noun meaning adversary.

    The disciples were amazed Jesus was going to Jerusalem and they were afraid Mark 10:32. Even though they were told what was going to happen it was hidden they did not have a clue, they were still looking for Jesus to overthrow the Romans and set up the kingdom. That was the reason they all scattered when Jesus was arrested and Peter's denial, they all were devastated and shocked because the Messiah when He came was to set up the kingdom not to be killed.

    Jesus' response to Peter and the disciples was drastic but it was a message relevant to them all, a message they all needed to hear to get them through what was shortly to happen. One other thing, when Jesus came it was for the lost sheep of Israel only, even after Pentecost it was still for the house of Israel until the mystery of the gospel of grace was revealed.

    Jesus only lost one, Judas who He called the son of perdition, John 17:12.

    Hope this helps

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please read: Isaiah 26:19, Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:50-54,

    John 12:1, Romans 8, Matthew 9:18-25, Matthew 11:5, Matthew 28, Mark 9:9, Luke 24:46, John 2:22, John 5:19-29, = Matthew 25:31-46, John 11:25, John 11:39-53, John 12:9, Romans 14:9, 1Peter 4, Revelation 1:5-8,

    Revelation 20,

    Ephesians 5,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 5:21-24, 2Kings 2:11, 2Kings 2, Matthew 17:1-7, Mark 9:1-7,
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Here are scriptures about fasting:

    When in fear of war: 2Chronicles 20:2-23, brought deliverance

    Ezra 8:21, direction & protection, Esther 4,

    Isaiah 58, * GOD pointing out hypocrisy & cruelty, & a better way,

    To avoid Judgement through repentance & fasting: Jeremiah 36:7-9, Jonah 3:4-10, Nehemiah 9,

    Fasting for Understanding: Daniel 9:2-23 (amazing description here to encourage GOD hears!)

    Please note in these, there is confessing wrong doing, declaration of GOD's goodness,

    Direction from Jesus: Matthew 6:16-18, privately

    Deliverance from spiritual difficulties some only accomplished through fasting & prayer. Mark 9:15-29,

    Additional direction in fasting for married couple : 1Corinthians 7:2-5,

    Sometimes it's good after you've done all of that, to just be still before GOD

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 28 - 2 years ago
    Hey Raymond,

    We see this in Matthew 17:1-9 Mark 9:2-10 and Luke 9:28-36, some may believe Moses and Elijah were in heaven and came and appeared, Jesus took Peter, James, and John up to the mountain, He was transfigured before them and Moses and Elijah appeared talking to Jesus.

    If we take note of what Matthew writes, "And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"

    It was a vision and a confirmation from God to these three that Jesus is the Son of God and the Law and Prophets will be fulfilled with the death and resurrection of Jesus. Mark 9:10 another place that shows things were hidden from the apostles until the Holy Spirit brought remembrance to them of what things Jesus had told them, John 14:26.

    One other thing, Jesus is the Firstfruits of them that slept, 1 Corinthians 15:20. Jesus was the first to be raised from death Acts 2:24. No one has ascended to heaven, John 3:13 and no one will overcome death until Jesus returns on the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30.

    In my understanding of scripture to us today, Moses and Elijah are awaiting the resurrection, with no knowledge or time in death, to them, it has already come.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You could look at Mark 9:17-27.
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj on Mark 9 - 3 years ago
    An Encouragement in Christian Journey

    Mark 9:41:- For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

    Romans 16:13:- Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.

    Who is this Rufus? Why do we consider him?

    Rufus is the best example, the promise given by Jesus Christ himself is still in effect. Rufus is a Son of Simon a Cyrenian who bore Christ's cross for a while ( Mark 9:41, 15:21). It is the true and greatest joy for Simon a Cyrenian to know his Son found Christ and saved and has a notable place in Paul's Salute. ( 3 John 1:4)
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I'm not sure what you're saying, but it seems to me you have so much disputting around you, you feel it's spiritual attack "jump on" you.

    1st , Matthew 5:10-16, Luke 12:52,53, * 1Peter 4,

    2nd, Ephesians 6:11-18, Matthew 10:1, Mark 9:28,29, Matthew 17:21,

    3rd Matthew 10:8-42, Matthew 12:30, Matthew 26:55,59, Matthew 27:1, Mark 3:6, Mark 13:9-13,

    4tu, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5, Psalms 37,

    5th, Mark 11:25, Matthew 6:47-49, Luke 17:3,4,

    Even Jesus had to stop disputes with believers : John 12:7,
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 3 years ago
    It is important to remember the admonition in Luke "help me with my unbelief" ( Mark 9:24). There is too much emphasis these days as I am sure you are aware of emotion in regard to worship. That being said; there needs at some point in are walk a recognition that the Spirit is living inside us. Hebrews 12:6 indicates that "He chastises all He loves". Recognition of the BENEFITS of this makes us live as Peter did rather than Judas Iscariot who Christ never took the time to rebuke. Iron sharpens iron ( Prov. 27:17). Exhortation; along with encouragement among the saints seems to be a forgotten trait; but nonetheless is helpful in building up the church.

    It is certain from the Prophets and their encounters with the Living God that when we stand before our judge; there is no lack of sensing His Holiness. Another problem today is the lack of fear of God. Numerous verses indicate that the "fear of God is the beginning of understanding ( Prov. 9:10).

    Clearly there are two things that stand in the way of sensing the Spirit of God if we are truly saved. Before this; the "god of this world" has blinded man to the truth. ( 2 Cor. 4:4). The first issue is the old nature; which is continually contending with the Spirit; and vice versa. Our minds are saturated with all sorts of imaginations due to our fallen nature; and the way it has been marred with past patterns of sin. In tandem with this; of course is Satan and his minions which work with the world system to keep men in subjection. There is certainly the issue of spiritual oppression even if a believer can't be possessed directly (a debatable issue). We need to evaluate if there is any wicked way in us; and realize that "obedience is better than sacrifice". ( 1 Samuel 15:22). Other N.T. verses indicate that before offering a sacrifice; forgiveness with an estranged brother is needed. We are also commanded to love the brethren; and esteem others as higher than ourselves. I hope this helps somewhat.
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply - 3 years ago
    According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV Bible there are three variant Greek words translated devils.

    The root word in his Greek dictionary of the New Testament is:

    1142.

    Transliteration daimn (Key)

    Pronunciation dah'-ee-mown

    Part of Speech masculine/feminine noun

    Root Word (Etymology) From daio (to distribute fortunes)

    a daemon or super-natural spirit (of a bad nature); - devil.

    Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12; Revelation 16:14; Revelation 18:2.

    1139.

    Transliteration daimonizomai (Key)

    Pronunciation dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee

    Part of Speech verb

    Root Word (Etymology) Middle voice from (G1142)

    to be exercised by a daemon;-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

    Matthew 4:24; Matthew 8:16; Matthew 8:28; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:36

    1140.

    Transliteration daimonion (Key)

    Pronunciation dahee-mon'-ee-on

    Part of Speech neuter noun

    Root Word (Etymology) Neuter of a derivative of (G1142)

    a demonic being; by extension a diety:-devil, god.

    Matthew 7:22; Matthew 9:34; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 12:24,27,28; Mark 1:34,39; Mark 3:15,22; Mark 6:13; Mark 9:38; Mark 16:9,17; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:2,27,30,33,35,38; Luke 9:1,49; Luke 10:17; Luke 12:15,18,19,20; Luke 13:32; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20.

    demon - The Modern English word demon derives from the Middle English demon: from medieval Latin demon, from Latin daemon, from Greek daimn 'deity, genius'; in demon; also from Latin daemonium 'lesser or evil spirit', from Greek daemonion, diminutive of daimn.

    devils - The Modern English word devil derives from the Middle English devel, from the Old English dofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of the Latin diabolus.

    The KJV translation is not a word for word or uniquely and infallible inspired representation of the Greek New Testament, and we should be cautious in choosing which English words in it we want to make our hills to die on without first consulting the Greek.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Mark 16:15-20,

    Matthew 10:1, Matthew 10:8,

    Mark 16:9,

    Matthew 17:16-21, Mark 6:1-13, Mark 9:16-29,
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Matthew 18:2-14, Mark 9:36-37, Mark 10:13-15,

    KJV definition of child: Exodus 21:22, starts in womb, 1Kings 3:7-10, Matthew 2:1, Psalms 131:2, Ecclesiastes 4:13, Hosea 11:1,

    A child has to trust for every provision

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Kevin - In Reply on Psalms 118 - 3 years ago
    I believe that not only did Jesus pay for our sins in His Atonement, but that He was also beaten for our healing - by His Stripes. Matthew 8:16-17 He healed all that were sick and cast out all the devils with His Word as also stated in Acts 10:38

    In Mark 9 the spirit could not be cast out because of their unbelief.

    All things are possible with God. It is us that are limited by what we believe God would or would not do. If we are not ready to help in season or out of season then we would not be able to help when needed or if we have to go and fast for awhile.

    Think about it - When was the Word of God not sufficient or faith in His Name not sufficient to accomplish the purpose to which it was sent. Jesus says speak the Word only and Believe!

    Jesus was complete in everything! SOZO! Let's bring up our faith and our trust in Him to accomplish His word as we believe in Him!

    Humbly, Let us also say with tears, Lord. I believe, help thou my unbelief!

    Mark 9:24

    May God bless us richly and may He bless you and your family Indeed!!!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    Please see these references: Mark 9:1-7, Matthew 17:2, Matthew 28:3, Luke 9:29, Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 1:14, Mark 16:5, John 20:12, Acts 1:10, Ecclesiastes 9:8, Revelation 3:4,5, Revelation 7:9-17, Revelation 20:11, Isaiah 1:18, Revelation 6:2,11, Revelation 9:18, Daniel 11:35, Revelation 4:4, Daniel 7:9, Revelation 2:17, Daniel 12:10,

    John 4:35,

    But Also : Genesis 40:16-23, Joel 1:7, Leviticus 13, Revelation 15:6,

    Hopefully these are helpful.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Donaldg,

    This is interesting and edifying if studied, Matthew 17:1-13 Mark 9:1-13 and Luke 9:28-37. Your question did they see it or were they asleep? They went up to a high mountain and they were gone for a least a day maybe more and in Luke 9:32 they were asleep, but they awakened, and it says they saw. In Mark 9:4 it says they appeared unto them and nothing about sleep.

    In all three Jesus transfigured before them and they were awake, and in all three Jesus tells them not to tell anyone about this until He was raised from the dead. This they did not understand because that part was hidden from them, Mark 9:10 Luke 18:31-34, His death and other things were hidden from them until He appeared to them after His resurrection, Luke 24:44-45.

    You asked were they asleep or did they see, the answer is in Matthew 17:9, it was a vision, horama, spiritual seeing, a supernatural apparition, same as John, when he was given the Revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a lot in these verses, like Mark 9:1 before Jesus took Peter, James and John to the mountain.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Healing scriptures: Deuteronomy 32:39, 2Kings 20:5, 2Chronicles 7:14, James 5:14, Hosea 6:1, Matthew 10:1-8, Mark 3:14-15, Luke 4:18, Luke 9:2, Mark 1:15, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24,

    Luke 4:40, Mark 16:17-18,

    Luke 10:9, Jeremiah 17:14,

    Here are some, hope they help
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Spencer,

    I'd like to comment on what you wrote: "in fact if you add works to salvation you are not saved at all and going to hell"

    You quoted scripture which is great, but that intepretation is untrue.

    Let's be very specific. Someone could interpret what you said and instead of helping feed the poor for the day he decides to commit a few random murders. So, according to your statement that's good, because he avoided helping people which would have been bad because it's "works"? Do you realize how twisted and backwards that sounds? So, doing good is bad, and bad is good is your message? Beware, because that is precisely what the devil does. He deceives in order to disobey God and commit evil. Those who follow satan and commit evil are going to hell if they never turn to Jesus. Obeying and doing works is GOOD, as Jesus said.

    Now, let's focus on the possible origin of this misunderstanding: Rom 4:1-5.

    This is talking about Abraham and works, but as good as he was it wasn't enough. God has high standards. Just because we're not good enough means we should do the opposite of God wants- and commit evil, that would be like slapping Jesus in the face.

    This means you can't EARN grace. It doesn't mean to stop doing good. If you keep reading notice Romans 4:8. Paraphrased it says blessed is the man who doesn't even sin in the first place.

    The Bible says to be a light of the world, to love and help people, do good works and deeds, help orphans and widows, care for people. And do everything possible to AVOID SIN, even if you have to cut off your own hand! Mark 9:43

    John 14:15 - Jesus says to OBEY! And if you don't you don't even love Jesus. Those who don't love Jesus probably aren't following Jesus and by definition are not Christians and should not expect to attain salvation as He says here:

    Matthew 7:21

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

    Does that scripture influence your belief?
  • SquareHimself - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I was quoting Jesus in that case, who says that God is able to destroy both body and soul in hellfire. Matthew 10:28.

    The Bible teaches us two resurrections: one for the just, and one for the unjust. John 5:28-29. The righteous are resurrected at the second coming of Christ, and those who are alive and remain at His coming are given new bodies at that time. 1 Thess 4:13-17; 1 Cor 15:51-53. After the thousand years, the unjust are resurrected, and at that time they face their judgment, which is total annihilation (and not without suffering). Revelation 20:4.

    When Christ speaks of the worm that dies not, he is quoting from a passage in Isiaiah: Isaiah 66:24. This verse speaks of worms eating on the corpses of dead men. It is the worm that does not die, but the people are well dead, for they are merely corpses. There is no reason we should interpret worm here to mean "immortal soul," for there is no such thing. The soul that sins shall die: Ezekiel 18:4

    The word Jesus uses in Mark 9:44,46 is Gehenna, which was a place of refuse. They kept the piles of garbage there burning so that it would be consumed away. This is the illustration Jesus employed for the fires of hell: fires which burn up all the garbage and get rid of it.

    As for whether cessation from existence or eternal conscious torment are more terrifying to the wicked man... How many atheists have been made out of the doctrine of eternal conscious torment, which is not true? They reject God because they think He is a monster, when in reality He is not. How are we supposed to love God with all of our heart if He is more sadistic than the worst madman we can imagine? That's precisely why the devil loves this doctrine.

    Revelation 20:11-15 describes the wicked, as well as death and hell, being cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire here is symbolic of total destruction. Death is being abolished, as well as the grave, as well as all the wicked and all sin.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Square. You've stated that 'soul & body are completely destroyed at the end of this world'.

    Could you expand on that aspect? What is the difference between me dying now & returning to dust or ashes and the wicked also likewise destroyed in death? If their bodies, like mine return to ashes, where is their judgement? If their spirits & souls also become ashes (which I can't fathom how that can happen), where is the judgement & punishment?

    If you mean that they will never enjoy eternal life with God, as far as I know, most sinners would be quite happy to be exterminated just so that they can enjoy their days on Earth as they wish, fulfilling their every lust. Surely, the Gospel given, brings a greater weight & conviction than just a future annihilation?

    Finally, what should we do with the Scripture ( Mark 9:44,46) where Jesus warns that the wicked's worm (flesh) never dies (or, consumes away) in hell's fire? And Revelation 20:11-15.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on James 5 - 3 years ago
    Hopefully these scriptures are helpful:

    Mark 9:14-29, Matthew 17:14-21, James 5:16, Psalms 102:17, Romans 10:16-17,
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother David:

    Matthew 5:25 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body cast into GEHENNA (translated hell).

    When Jesus was on earth Gehenna was the dump ground for Jerusalem where all the trash, garbage and bodies of dead criminals was dumped. It was on fire to DESTROY. Worms were there eating the dead flesh. As long as there was new fuel being dumped there, the worms never died nor was the fire ever quenched. It's a city park now, the is no longer worms or a fire.

    Jesus was using Gehenna as an analogy, not something literal. If Jesus meant for you to take it literally, why aren't you missing eyes, hands and feet, that you have cut off and plucked out, to stay out of HELL.

    Matthew 5:30

    Matthew 10:28

    Matthew 23:15

    Matthew 23:33

    Mark 9:43

    Mark 9:45

    Mark 9:47

    Luke 12:5

    Matthew 5:22

    Matthew 18:9

    James 3:6

    All the verses have GEHENNA translated as HELL

    Here are the scriptures in the Old testament that refer to Hinnom.

    Nehemiah 11:30

    Joshua 15:8

    Joshua 18:16

    2 Kings 23:10

    2 Chronicles 28:3

    2 Chronicles 33:6

    Jeremiah 7:31

    Jeremiah 7:32

    Jeremiah 19:2

    Jeremiah 19:6

    Jeremiah 32:35

    None of the scriptures have anything to do with the CHRISTIAN HELL.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 21 - 3 years ago
    Hello Earl,

    I just noticed your comment:

    "Before the Old Testament was translated into other languages, there is no mention of HELL. One would assume that if there were such a place of torture for sin, the prophets would have never cease warning people. Yet not one word concerning a place called Hell. Likewise not one mention of a place of eternal bliss, called heaven."

    I'm trying to wrap my mind around your comment, because clearly the Bible does talk about hell. It uses the word 'hell' in both the Old and New Testament as well as other synonyms, such as in Mark 9:48.

    This fact can also be verified through a quick search:

    Link

    The meaning hasn't changed through time either. For instance, man didn't suddenly invent the word 'hell' after a certain point of time.

    Since a quick search confirms the Bible has always used the word 'hell', so is it possible you meant something else? Since it does not sound like a true statement, can you please explain what you mean by, "Before the Old Testament was translated into other languages, there is no mention of HELL."?

    God bless...


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