I believe it means GOD I believe but... my flesh is doubting. I think this is natural of mankind today to feel this atleast somepoint in there life. Just don't ever give up hope in the good lord. Amen.
Also, I suggest we look back to the event. 9 disciples left behind while Jesus took Peter, James and John up the mountain. On there return they find an argument is in full swing. Theologies rendering the authority of the disciples ineffective?
Jesus rebuke is not to be ignored!
Wicked and perverse generation... The word perverse implies that those involved in the attempt to heal and also the pursuing theological debate were more interested in themselves, their reputations and glory than they were in the plight of the boy and his father.
I can hear them judging the boy and the father... Who sinned.
Jesus did not come to condemn but to set the captives free... When the church gets suckered into a cause hunt, we fail to exercise the authority Christ has given.
Judge not lest ye be judged!
Now... Jesus didn't fast... He often prayed, but not for this boy... He didn't upbraid the father for his lack of faith... And Jesus is our example!
The usefulness of fasting is not an increase in our authority, it is useful in reducing us. Getting our religious and theological biases out of the way and turning us towards the work of God... Set the captives free!
salt is faith, fire is the holy spirit: we receive this salt of faith at baptism of Jesus, he was baptize with fire, with the salt of the sea, as the sea will not losses it saltiness we should not also loss our faith in him, the fire in the holy spirit,the holy spirit of fire is the love and grace of God we receive at baptism, we have received also the holy spirit of fire after his death and resurrection at Pentecost as we continue proclaiming the Good news through the inspiration of the Holy spirit.
I think where sin prevails, hell awaits and in the righteous of Christ Jesus the worm of sin is put to death, therefore the fire is quenched through righteousness.
People who condemn (some with vehement, insulting acronyms and derogatory comments) all Biblical translations except the King James Version (KJV) should reconsider many of the sayings of Jesus and the apostles in the New Testament. Here are merely two examples from Jesus:
This is really sad. What does it say to the unbeliever about Christian love and unity? We are supposed to be the Salt of the earth.
What about what Jesus said? "Salt is good: but if the salt haue lost his saltnesse, wherewith will you season it? Haue salt in your selues, and haue peace one with another." ( Mk 9:50, ORIGINAL 1611 KJV) or, for those who believe the "authorized version"- and revised - KJV of 1611/12 is the only truly inspired translation, just replace the "u"s with a "v": "Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltnesse, wherewith will you season it? Have salt in your selves, and have peace one with another."
What happened to the "...have peace with one another?" This is an excellent example of what unbelievers use to rationalize their rejection of Jesus Christ as the One, True God.
Also, it is a prime example of what Jesus said to the religious authorities, “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” ( Matthew 23:24, KJV, authorized version).
I do believe fasting was in the original manuscript.
I know by own experience in the ministry of deliverance, that fasting is necessary in various cases.
The term fasting is in the Majority Text (Byzantine Text) and in the Textus Receptus and found in the text that is used by the Greek Orthodox Church both in Mathew 17: 21 and Mark 9: 29.
Shadrack St. Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. We as men flesh and bone what joy can a father have more than the time he spends teaching his son?
St. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.(before the world was) This is an eternal relationship between a Father and his Son and for this very reason Jesus Christ is the Son; the Word of God.
St. Matt 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. Josh. 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. This is the Holy Ghost
St. Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
The Godhead is one purpose, one mind; but I believe this is what separates the Father the Way of God, which he teaches too his Son the Word of God, and the Holy Ghost who fulfills the Will of God. Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Rev. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Luke 9: 27-36 and Mark 9:1-9 answers Matt. 16:28 in that this was fulfilled six days afterwards where Peter, James, and John ("some standing here") got to witness Jesus coming (Strongs G2064 verb used for BOTH arriving and returning ALSO metaphor for SHOWING ITSELF)i.e Jesus SHOWING HIMSELF/REVEALED IN TRANSFIGURATION with Moses and Elijah on the Mountain.
ALSO, biblically, the meaning of 'the kingdom of G-d' FAR MORE THAN the elementary idea of a physical gov't.
Only the corrupt texts omit fasting or the entire verse: Omitted by some in c/r ( Mt 17:21) but it is in all mss in ( Mk 9:29) except the corrupt "Vatican" mss which comes from Rome ! The omission causes doubt to the integrity of the Scriptures and endangers those who would "take away" from God's Word ( Rev 22:18-19)
Man put an 'if' to the power of God,dats why God put an 'if' to our faith.. We have the key to open the door of possibilities.Jesus insist believe and believe,coz every person has a doubt..
My respond to Val's Mark Chapter 9 comment on 9/07/2013, 9:45pm: In 2 Corinthians 4:18 it says, "the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal". So when we talk about life in heaven then we mean "life eternal" and when we talk about death in hell then we mean "everlasting punishment". In Matthew 25:46 There are people who will go to life eternal but other people will go to everlasting punishment. Even in Daniel 12:2 it says, some shall awake to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. When we talk about fire where sinners are to be cast into we mean "everlasting fire" as it is written in Matthew 18:8. It is the same fire being mentioned in Jude 1:7 called "eternal fire" where sinners shall suffer. This kind of suffering is "eternal damnation" as it is written in Mark 3:29 and that is none other than "damnation of hell" which is written in Matthew 23:33. They that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation as it is written in John 5:29. Therefore this sinners shall be burned "eternally".
The fires of hell are future tense... Set after the second coming. Why would God give Hitler a glorified body... Only to BURN it up later??? No one burns eternally... But will burn up... Just as satan will one day! "They shall be ashes under your feet" is prophesied for the Earth made new. Elijah, btw, was translated & went up in a chariot - he never saw death. Moses was resurrected ...& will never see death again! The two witnesses of Revelation are the witnesses of scripture- Old & New Testament ...& looking at the world's condition, they are already starting to be "killed!" Revelation spoke figurative of the witnesses! Justanotherpointofviewtoconsider:-)
The fires of hell are real. Hell was prepared by God for Satan and his angels. All those that refuse to accept the atoning blood of Jesus in payment of their sins are also included in the same fate. When Christians die they receive a glorified body. An unsaved person also receives a glorified, eternal body when they die. After the great white throne judgment, at the end of the millennium, the unsaved will be cast into the lake of fire with Satan....forever. I believe each person in hell will be ***igned some kind of worm that also eats the flesh of the glorified body for eternity. Selah... think about that Ask Jesus into Your heart and life. He will come in and do something special with your life.
Who is it that is now preaching the return of Jesus? Christians. The spirit of Elias returned in John the Baptist and he was not recognised. If Moses also returns, it will also be in spirit. Two candlesticks and two olive trees. Two spirits and two church bodies? Yet, the dead will also awake and be seen: some to everlasting life and others to everlasting shame and contempt. The person who said that fasting should not be mentioned in the verse about healing the child treats the bible as something he can bend to his will like the academics do when they deny it's truth. Rather than doubt it, pray to God to understand it.
Prayer is the key to open doors,solution to our problems. when Jesus was on earth he told his diciples that graet mircles can happen through prayer Mark 9:29
I think some translations left the word "fasting"out because it didn't belong in the verse.
Mathew 17:21 was also left out entirely by some translations or wasn't noted in italicize as being added for the same reason.
Jesus told the disciples it was because of their little faith that they couldn't cast out the spirit not because they didn't fast.In fact Jesus is not going to scold the disciple for something he didn't require them to do. Mat 9:14 Then come to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not? Mat 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the sons of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then will they fast.
i am so sad to see that some versions ommitt the word, *fasting*,....this was extreemly important, along with prayer... or Jesus would not have said it. we are not to take away anything from the Bible.
Well I am a believer and believe that my savior JESUS Christ says it will be always true I believe him with all my heart, soul and strength. Hope apostle Mark stays with me tonight in prayer to bless me, my children Jacob and Rachael and also my wife Dasamma. Thank you Philip.
@Eliyahu,
Verse 12 can only refer to 2 prophetic prophets:
1. Reference to John the Baptist who would have been Elijah as one crying in the wilderness preaching of the coming (kingdom) Messiah Jesus Christ to save his people (Jews). John was arrested by Herod, put in prison and beheaded. Jesus did not resurrect John as he will do with Elijah and Moses in Revelation 11:12, who are the two witnesses preaching the coming kingdom as was John. The Jews rejected Jesus in 1st advent ( John 1:11). John was not resurrected because of the Jews rejection of Jesus and so John did not become in typology Elijah of Revelation 11:1-12;
2. Elijah and Moses will come before Jesus in the 2nd advent ( Matthew 17:1-13) preaching the everlasting kingdom and be killed (beheaded) and be resurrected ( Revelation 11:1-12).
@Nellie,
On verses 44 and 46, why most other versions (not King James Version 1611) remove these verses. I cannot understand the whole intent of why these verses have been removed. But one can have a good idea when one does a little scripture investigating.
1. The biblical term worm is in reference to the form (shape) that the unbelievers become in the lake of fire after the white throne judgment ( Revelation 20:11-15);
2. The fire is a direct reference to the eternal damnation in the lake of fire;
3. I am sure that this will not be received to better understand that the modern church does not want to upset anyone and that the average modern Christian is wanting to be politically correct and enjoy their watered down versions so they do not come under any convictions about the absolute truth of God's holy word;
4. Most modern churches will not teach and preach bible truth that make the modern Christians upset about their unsaved friends that they regularly associate with ( 1 Peter 4).
"Comment on Candice's question"
Yes, that is a true question. It is easy to be a good believer when life is normal. But what when life occasions or environment lead you to the state when you begin to lose your faith, or the pressure is to hard that you simply forget about everything (Bible, God, Jesus…). There is no a simply answer, but I suggest the Book of Job. He did everything right but terrible things have happened to him. So he asked why is that so (but he never lost his faith in God). The thing is that Gods vision of what is wright and what is wrong and what is blessing and what is punishment is not always the same as our. We ought to keep our faith and be a good Christians no matter what. Of course this is a goal we struggle to reach, and in that struggle sometimes we fail, but we stand up and go on. And this is a whole life struggle.
Your question is very complex.In Mark 9:23 Jesus said:"...all things are possible to him that believeth." This gives another aspect to your question. You obviously have some kind of problem. I will ask you something and it is not a joke. Do you really believe that Jesus can help you with your problem. I ask you this because people believe in everything, or it is better to say they think they believe. My friend claims that he believes that he can walk on the water. No comment.
Anyway, I am sorry if I entered your life but be strong and do not lose your faith no matter what. God bless you.
Yes, non-believers must believe in order to be healed Math. 9:28; Lk. 8v44 talks of the healing of the woman with the issue of blood. It was belief that that caused her to press thru the crowd; even for a child to be healed, there must be an element of faith speaking for him/her via a second party, maybe the mum, dad, relative etc (Math. 15:28); for the Word of God says 'but without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Now this is the basic requirement for receiving anything from GOD. Belief is the only way. Even those whom Chrit had compassion in healing their children, had to allow Him do it without arguing (this showing belief)for the healing to take effect. Mark 6v5 and 6 shows how Jesus could do no mighty work in His own country bcos of their unbelief, that is God Himself unable to perform bcos of unbelief. Faith is crucial, it is vital. Remain blessed.
Also, I suggest we look back to the event. 9 disciples left behind while Jesus took Peter, James and John up the mountain. On there return they find an argument is in full swing. Theologies rendering the authority of the disciples ineffective?
Jesus rebuke is not to be ignored!
Wicked and perverse generation... The word perverse implies that those involved in the attempt to heal and also the pursuing theological debate were more interested in themselves, their reputations and glory than they were in the plight of the boy and his father.
I can hear them judging the boy and the father... Who sinned.
Jesus did not come to condemn but to set the captives free... When the church gets suckered into a cause hunt, we fail to exercise the authority Christ has given.
Judge not lest ye be judged!
Now... Jesus didn't fast... He often prayed, but not for this boy... He didn't upbraid the father for his lack of faith... And Jesus is our example!
The usefulness of fasting is not an increase in our authority, it is useful in reducing us. Getting our religious and theological biases out of the way and turning us towards the work of God... Set the captives free!
This is really sad. What does it say to the unbeliever about Christian love and unity? We are supposed to be the Salt of the earth.
What about what Jesus said? "Salt is good: but if the salt haue lost his saltnesse, wherewith will you season it? Haue salt in your selues, and haue peace one with another." ( Mk 9:50, ORIGINAL 1611 KJV) or, for those who believe the "authorized version"- and revised - KJV of 1611/12 is the only truly inspired translation, just replace the "u"s with a "v": "Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltnesse, wherewith will you season it? Have salt in your selves, and have peace one with another."
What happened to the "...have peace with one another?" This is an excellent example of what unbelievers use to rationalize their rejection of Jesus Christ as the One, True God.
Also, it is a prime example of what Jesus said to the religious authorities, “Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” ( Matthew 23:24, KJV, authorized version).
I know by own experience in the ministry of deliverance, that fasting is necessary in various cases.
The term fasting is in the Majority Text (Byzantine Text) and in the Textus Receptus and found in the text that is used by the Greek Orthodox Church both in Mathew 17: 21 and Mark 9: 29.
St. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.(before the world was) This is an eternal relationship between a Father and his Son and for this very reason Jesus Christ is the Son; the Word of God.
St. Matt 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Josh. 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. This is the Holy Ghost
St. Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
The Godhead is one purpose, one mind; but I believe this is what separates the Father the Way of God, which he teaches too his Son the Word of God, and the Holy Ghost who fulfills the Will of God.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
ALSO, biblically, the meaning of 'the kingdom of G-d' FAR MORE THAN the elementary idea of a physical gov't.
Mathew 17:21 was also left out entirely by some translations or wasn't noted in italicize as being added for the same reason.
Jesus told the disciples it was because of their little faith that they couldn't cast out the spirit not because they didn't fast.In fact Jesus is not going to scold the disciple for something he didn't require them to do. Mat 9:14 Then come to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?
Mat 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the sons of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then will they fast.
Verse 12 can only refer to 2 prophetic prophets:
1. Reference to John the Baptist who would have been Elijah as one crying in the wilderness preaching of the coming (kingdom) Messiah Jesus Christ to save his people (Jews). John was arrested by Herod, put in prison and beheaded. Jesus did not resurrect John as he will do with Elijah and Moses in Revelation 11:12, who are the two witnesses preaching the coming kingdom as was John. The Jews rejected Jesus in 1st advent ( John 1:11). John was not resurrected because of the Jews rejection of Jesus and so John did not become in typology Elijah of Revelation 11:1-12;
2. Elijah and Moses will come before Jesus in the 2nd advent ( Matthew 17:1-13) preaching the everlasting kingdom and be killed (beheaded) and be resurrected ( Revelation 11:1-12).
On verses 44 and 46, why most other versions (not King James Version 1611) remove these verses. I cannot understand the whole intent of why these verses have been removed. But one can have a good idea when one does a little scripture investigating.
1. The biblical term worm is in reference to the form (shape) that the unbelievers become in the lake of fire after the white throne judgment ( Revelation 20:11-15);
2. The fire is a direct reference to the eternal damnation in the lake of fire;
3. I am sure that this will not be received to better understand that the modern church does not want to upset anyone and that the average modern Christian is wanting to be politically correct and enjoy their watered down versions so they do not come under any convictions about the absolute truth of God's holy word;
4. Most modern churches will not teach and preach bible truth that make the modern Christians upset about their unsaved friends that they regularly associate with ( 1 Peter 4).
Yes, that is a true question. It is easy to be a good believer when life is normal. But what when life occasions or environment lead you to the state when you begin to lose your faith, or the pressure is to hard that you simply forget about everything (Bible, God, Jesus…). There is no a simply answer, but I suggest the Book of Job. He did everything right but terrible things have happened to him. So he asked why is that so (but he never lost his faith in God). The thing is that Gods vision of what is wright and what is wrong and what is blessing and what is punishment is not always the same as our. We ought to keep our faith and be a good Christians no matter what. Of course this is a goal we struggle to reach, and in that struggle sometimes we fail, but we stand up and go on. And this is a whole life struggle.
Your question is very complex.In Mark 9:23 Jesus said:"...all things are possible to him that believeth." This gives another aspect to your question. You obviously have some kind of problem. I will ask you something and it is not a joke. Do you really believe that Jesus can help you with your problem. I ask you this because people believe in everything, or it is better to say they think they believe. My friend claims that he believes that he can walk on the water. No comment.
Anyway, I am sorry if I entered your life but be strong and do not lose your faith no matter what. God bless you.