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In Matthew 7:12, Jesus was stating the type of behaviour that we should show to others: a behaviour that is gentle, kind, understanding, without hatred, without jealousy. If we expect others to have this type of attitude towards us, then we must also show them the same. We can't expect graciousness from others if we are not prepared to show them likewise.

Then in 1 Peter 3:9, Peter says the same thing about our attitude, except that if someone does evil to us (with lies, anger, hurt, etc.) instead of good, then we don't repay with evil to them. So the message from both the Matthew & 1 Peter passages tells us that whatever comes our way from others, whether good or bad, our response must always be good & above reproach to them, as those that profess godliness.

I want to know why in Matt.7:12 when jesus was talking about do unto others as you would want them to do unto you and then over in 1Pet.3:9 it talking about rendering evil for evil can i have some help with understanding why was the both was said

Norman, you don't mention whether you both were born again at the time of your wedding. Now, even if you both were believers loving & serving God, you both found each other at a time when she was rejected & unloved by a vile man. Ordinarily, the Scriptures are clear about divorce & re-marriage (which you are aware of), but I believe that God sees exceptions & also gives further proof His acceptance of us. Your wife was abused or treated badly - she rightly left that relationship before she was hurt further. You both then met, you offered her counsel & support & your love for each other grew. You both wanted to cement that love in marriage - you've had a wonderful family, a loving faithful marriage & you've remained together through thick & thin with the blessing & help of the Lord. Apart from this sense of guilt you express now, have you ever sensed the Lord rejecting or disregarding your love for Him during your marriage? Did He give any clues about His displeasure & allowing a strong Word or discipline to come your way? You only know those answers.

From what I can glean from your sharing here, is that the Lord has indeed blessed your lives in innumerable ways and isn't this His Confirmation to you both that your marriage was of the Lord, both to save her from a life of sorrow & that you both might grow a family to know & serve the Lord? You have without doubt shared all your heart ache on this matter with the Lord & I sense that you've done so in all honesty & devotion to Him. Leave it with the Lord, look for His confirmations of His acceptance & forgiving any wrong, & continue to love Him & your family with all that's within you.

When we consider so many outside of Christ just hopping in & out of wedlock, we see a continual unhappiness & dissatisfaction in their marriages, often based on trivial issues or looking for the greener grass on the other side. This, the Lord hates; but I see the Lord's blessing on your marriage revealed in many ways to you.

Every sin "you believe" you ever committed was wiped away at the cross of Jesus Christ... The cross is/was a finished work. Have a great day. Lynn

Jesus was asked: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments," ( Matt 22:36-40)

Jesus gave us many commandments in the new testament Norman see if you can find more.

FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD AND EVANGELIZATION

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Rev. 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived, it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God ( James 4:4).

The believers are not of this world. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith ( 1 John 5:4).

Additional readings as confirmation.

John 7:7; 8:23; 15:19; 17:9,14,16; 18:36.

Romans 12:2.

1 Cor. 2:12; 3:19. 2 Cor. 6:17.

Galatians 1:4.

Ephesians 2:2.

1 John 2:15; 4:5; 5:4.

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and the scriptural references we use serve as confirmation that it is not us that speak, but the Spirit of our Father that speaketh in us ( 2 Samuel 23:2; Matthew 10:20; Acts 4:8; 6:10).

The believers and followers of the true Christ do not involve themselves in the affairs of this world.

God cannot be received by this present world and so-called world evangelization (global unity) is a deception at the highest level and the workings of the spirit of this world ( John 1:5,10; 8:23; 14:17,22; 15:19,20; 17:9,14,16,25; 18:36; Rom. 8:7; 1Cor. 1:20; 2:4-8, 12-14; 1 Thess. 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15; 3:1; 5:4,19; 2 John 7).

It should be noted that in over 36 years of service we have never collected/received, solicited or requested donations. The gift of 'Life' was freely given and freely do we give to all those that believe ( 2 Kings 5:16; Matthew 6:26; 10:8).

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

I agree to disagree

Jesus went through Samaria himself and preached to the Gentiles himself so they could be saved. John chapter 4, Isaiah 42, Isaiah 49, Isaiah 60:3, Luke 2:32, Acts 26:23.

Hello Jackie,

The word "world" must be understood properly. God created ALL that is a part of the "world" in which one lives. The lamb in Genesis was simply to clothe A&E physically (their flesh) in place of the garments they had made that were not as durable.

I agree that event was symbolic of God's future plan, however that "world" of the flesh comes to an end for all those that understand the foundation that was laid at the cross for the "world" of the Spirit for ALL that were/are freed from sin.

In other words, one "world" is the old "world" of sin, and the other is the new "world" for those that know and understand their freedom from sin.

The first "world" is the "world" one lives in according to the flesh. The new "world" is the "world" one lives when being led of the Spirit.

The new "world" began the moment Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead, meaning Jesus was the foundation of the beginning of new "world".

Have a great day, Joy to You, Lynn

Why then was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8?

Hello Jackie, Do you mean Adam & Eve? If, so they were never saved. They physically died as sinners and they were spiritually dead, out of favor with God, all the days of their lives. God chose the people that He wanted to communicate with in those times.

No, they, A&E did not eat from the Tree of Life. No one got to eat from the Tree of Life until they passed thru the cross, meaning until they believed Jesus died for their sins and the sins of all mankind.

For ex: I know that no one is a sinner unless they have been taught to believe that is what they are.



1John 3:4-9 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Have a great day, Joy to You. Lynn :)

How was they saved if they had no savior

Did they eat of the tree life?

Hello Jackie,

I do enjoy hearing your interpretation of God's Word and I think it's wonderful that you love to discuss the Word.

What I'm hearing you say here is that you believe God's Word was the 1st Law. And yes, that could be absolutely true in a sense. If we were to believe that, we'd have to make absolutely sure of the difference between Covenant Law and the Law that is written in the heart and mind.

The thing is there was no Law for sin at the time of Adam, therefore sin was not imputed at that time and this is the reason he and all others were considered sinners even though they had never sinned. All these folks at that time tried to win back God's favor thru offerings as you noted.

I agree with the lamb being sacrificed as the first blood covering. Good insight on your part. :) I believe it must have been quite a shock for A&E to see this killing and blood for the first time.

My viewpoint is each person needs to understand that sin became defined via the Covenant Law that God gave to Moses to give to the Israelites. When one agrees to be party with God to just one jot or tittle of the Covenant Law they automatically become a sinner until they are freed from the Covenant Law because God made the Law purposely so that no one was able to keep it without breaking it.

Most religions have used bits and pieces of the Covenant Law to form their religious doctrine which causes many problems for many people.

The Covenant Law brings in the need for a Savior and we know that takes place at the cross.

Thank you for your question regarding the breaking of the Law... Lynn :)

Adam or rather Yet Eve broke the 1st Law That God commanded thou shalt not eat of it. So Adam had to eat of it to be with his wife (type of jesus)for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen.2:16-17

He eat of it and died a spiritual death that day and was stripped of his Glory coat and the eyes of them both were opened and they knew that they were naked Gen 3:7

And God judged satan and judged Eve and He judged Adam.

And gives the promise of the Seed (jesus) Genesis 3:15

Then God starts to give providence of the seed jesus unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God made coats of skins and clothed them. Genesis 3:21

The passover lamb jesus

God said in the day you eat of it you will surely die. But that day they did not die But what died that day? A Lamb died a innocent lamb that had done nothing Blood was shed and his skin take off for a covering for Adam and Eve.

The Innocent dying so the Guilty could Live The Cross

They were sentenced to death But a Lamb dies in stead of Adam and eve like. Genesis 22:13

Or we could say they died that day Because one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and no man lived a thousand years 2 Peter 3:8

But I prefer The Passover Lamb Jesus

Thank you for debating the Word of God with me I love the word of God and learning about Jesus may God bless you and your family always. A sinner saved by Grace

Hello Jackie,

I've never heard the breaking of the law explained that way before, however, we know that Adam was never under the Law so not sure if I could see him or his generation being involved with breaking the Law... We learn from Paul that Adam's death penalty that he received for his transgression, reigned until the time of Moses, then God gave Moses the Law of Sin and Death, to give to the Israelites and the strangers that chose to live with them... That Law reigns until the time of Jesus's death on the cross...The cross made it possible to free anyone that believes that Law applies to them to be freed from it and to be able to live their lives alive In Christ, free from the Law of Sin and Death...

If you are simply meaning the breaking of the first set of stone tablets versus the 2nd set of stone tablets, I still see it that Moses broke the first set because he was angry that the Israelites had built and were worshiping the golden calf they had made as their false god...

Then Joshua went back up on the mountain with Moses and the 2nd set of tablets was made... It would appear that even though the Israelites were a stiff necked bunch that they were not worshiping a false god when Moses and Joshua returned the 2nd time....

I'm not able to connect Adam with the Law because the Law came after his death and he was never party with God to the Law...God told Adam the day that he eats from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he will surely die...

Most folks believe that death penalty meant physical death, but we know that cannot be true because Adam went on to physically live for about 700 years... The death penalty Adam received was needing to be reconciled back to God, I call that spiritual death instead of physical death... Spiritual death simply means, anyone that believes they and all others are sinners is spiritually dead and that person needs to be reconciled to God via gaining an understanding of the purpose of the cross...

Have a great day...

i love juess

Perhaps it was a type of Adam And mankind Who broke the law right away Because they could not keep it The 2nd set is a type of Jesus Who was put in the Ark and never broken

The 1st set was made by God the 2nd set was made by God and man Typeof our Lord and savior Jesus cross

Thanks for your response and may God-bless you and your family always

Hello Frank, Sorry, I think I called you Mike in a response I made to you but am unable to find now.. :) I just discovered this bible discussion site and have not learned how to access responses even though I'm told to go to a certain numbered thread... do you think it was odd that Jesus spent 2 days with what you are saying were believed as dogs with the many of them believing he was the Christ prior to his leaving their city?

Jesus was appointed to preach to the Jews first. The Samaritan woman was considered Gentile.

The gospels show that on occasion, He did speak of ministry to certain Gentiles.

Hello Mike, So are you saying that according to what Jesus said here in Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

that these ones you are calling dogs, were some of the lost sheep of the house of israel? Why would Jesus have stayed with them for 2 days after speaking to the woman at the well? Lynn

Hello Jackie, Short answer, Moses had an anger problem... Just like when he whacked the rock when God told him to "speak" to it... :)

The answer is because they were part Jewish and gentle. They were consider dogs.

Thanks good point now I have one for you why did moses break the 10 Commandments

Hello Jackie,

Here is the section from the book of John where Jesus ended up staying with the Samaritans for 2 days after speaking with the woman at the well..

John 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

4:41 And many more believed because of his own word;

4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

4:43 Now after two days he departed thence, and went into Galilee.

I was mainly curious to see if others had seen this story of these Samaritans believing on the Lord Jesus Christ prior to his death and resurrection and prior to anyone believing it was not yet time for the Gentiles to receive the message...

Hello Jackie, Thank you for your response... It finally showed up, so it must have been entered after i received the email saying you had responded... Please see the other comment I made in response to yours... Lynn :)

I had an email saying Jackie had responded to my question with this response...

"They preach the Kingdom of God to the Jews 1st And they've rejected it And after that Samaritan's and the gentiles were invited in"

However, for some reason, I am not able to bring up the response...

The reason I asked the question was to see if anyone knew the real story that began with the woman at the well and how Jesus ended up going and staying with the Samaritans for 2 days and they all ended up believing on him as the Christ, the Messiah... so there was no need for the disciples to go to Samaria for they all knew who the Christ was...The thing is, this was all prior to Jesus's death and resurrection, even though we do know that he had said originally he was sent only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel...I have never talked with anyone that seems to know this story about the Samaritans, that was a continuation of the story of the woman at the well... :)

They preach the Kingdom of God to the Jews 1st And they've rejected it And after that Samaritan's and the gentiles were invited in

Do you know why Jesus told his disciples to not go into any city of the Samaritans?

To FRED SCANLAN

Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).

When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.

Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself

CHASTENING

Deut. 8:5

Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19

Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71

Proverbs 3:11

Isaiah 26:16

1 Cor. 11:32

Hebrews 12:5,6

James 1:12

1 Peter 1:7

Rev. 3:15-21

AFFLICTIONS

Psalms 34:19; 132:1

Isaiah 48:10

Acts 7:10; 20:23

2 Cor. 6:4

Col. 1:24

1 Thess 3:3

Hebrews 12:5-12

Rev. 3:18

SICKNESS AND HEALING

Exodus 15:26

Psalm 6:2

Isaiah 30:26

Jer. 30:17

Eze. 34:16

Hosea 6:1

Mal. 4:2

Matthew 10:8

Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31

James 5:15

1 Peter 2:24

Rev. 22:2

RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE



2 Chr. 16:12,13

Job 13:4

Psalms 34:19; 108:12

Isaiah 30:1-3

Jer. 17:5-7,14

Hosea 5:13

Mark 5:25-29

Luke 8:43

MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING

Job 5:18; 23:10

Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71

Isaiah 48:10

Jer. 31:18

Hosea 5:15; 6:1

Romans 8:17

2 Cor. 4:17

Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11

1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10

Rev. 3:19

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi Joshua. Just to briefly chime in here to lend full agreement & support to what you have declared as this is how I understand the believers' stand before God. The Lord will not draw a (predestined) seeking soul, in his conviction of sin upon hearing the Gospel, his cry out for forgiveness & then receiving confirmation of that redemption with joy, peace & the indwelling of His Spirit, if he then at some future date, decides to reject the Lord & turn back to his old ways. God makes no mistakes in His Call & Confirmation.

If a 'Christian' turns back, it can never be our determination of what sort of experience & spiritual work has been done in that life. God only knows every heart & our 'judgement' can only be based on what our eyes perceive: & that's not a good basis at all. That is why at one's water baptism, one can only be baptized based on the testimony of one's faith, not on the knowledge of the person's heart, mind or his present/future walk with the Lord. If a believer sins or even backslides, the matter is between him & God: for the Spirit's Work in Him to draw him back to spiritual health. We might see a 'Christian' lost into the world, but as said earlier, our perception is not with God's Knowledge; that same 'Christian' may one day return to full faith in a special abundant way.

And to add one more thing: "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." ( Matthew 10:22, 24:13). This is the ultimate test isn't it, as has been proven over the centuries when godly folk, who may not readily agree with our understanding of the doctrines & lessons we discuss here, but who for their love for God through Christ & with a solid unshakeable faith, have gone to their deaths at the stake or the sword. Does it take such an event to convince us of their salvation? Maybe so. Is it even important or right that we do so, as each soul stands or falls depending on what has or has not transpired between him and God?