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  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Becki,

    From what I understand most (or all) of us answering questions & possibly moderating are volunteers, that's what I've been told, I'm one that is. Freely I've received freely I should give. Matthew 10:8,

    I myself did not answer because I don't know that teaching.

    I am sorry that happened & I wish it didn't happen here. Each person here has their own reasons to be here. I jump on here irregularly, sometimes it's daily sometimes not for months. I do notice several questions do get overlooked= that's why I continue to volunteer here. = To try & answer the questions that seem to get skipped, overlooked, lost inside many words... Sometimes I answer a question that was overlooked & then there are several people giving alternative answers, weirdly. I was actually discouraged much recently & was going to stop volunteering here starting last night/today. Of course I prayed. Then after reading the WORD here just now, I went back into Discussion tab to find book in proposed reading 4 new year. & I saw your response, I feel a tug on my heart to help you. I don't believe that teaching of the Angels of GOD having children. Please read these scriptures: Matthew 22:28-32, Mark 12:24-25, Romans 8:14-17, John 1:12, Jude 1:1-25, if that were possible it would've happened in Tobit 3:7-17, Tobit 6:13-14 wouldn't it have?

    I recommend reading the HOLY Scriptures 2 Timothy 3:1-17,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 20 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 10:29-34,

    Revelation 8:8-9, Hosea 4:1-19, vrs. 3, 2 Esdras 5:1-13,
  • SquareHimself - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I was quoting Jesus in that case, who says that God is able to destroy both body and soul in hellfire. Matthew 10:28.

    The Bible teaches us two resurrections: one for the just, and one for the unjust. John 5:28-29. The righteous are resurrected at the second coming of Christ, and those who are alive and remain at His coming are given new bodies at that time. 1 Thess 4:13-17; 1 Cor 15:51-53. After the thousand years, the unjust are resurrected, and at that time they face their judgment, which is total annihilation (and not without suffering). Revelation 20:4.

    When Christ speaks of the worm that dies not, he is quoting from a passage in Isiaiah: Isaiah 66:24. This verse speaks of worms eating on the corpses of dead men. It is the worm that does not die, but the people are well dead, for they are merely corpses. There is no reason we should interpret worm here to mean "immortal soul," for there is no such thing. The soul that sins shall die: Ezekiel 18:4

    The word Jesus uses in Mark 9:44,46 is Gehenna, which was a place of refuse. They kept the piles of garbage there burning so that it would be consumed away. This is the illustration Jesus employed for the fires of hell: fires which burn up all the garbage and get rid of it.

    As for whether cessation from existence or eternal conscious torment are more terrifying to the wicked man... How many atheists have been made out of the doctrine of eternal conscious torment, which is not true? They reject God because they think He is a monster, when in reality He is not. How are we supposed to love God with all of our heart if He is more sadistic than the worst madman we can imagine? That's precisely why the devil loves this doctrine.

    Revelation 20:11-15 describes the wicked, as well as death and hell, being cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire here is symbolic of total destruction. Death is being abolished, as well as the grave, as well as all the wicked and all sin.
  • SquareHimself - 3 years ago
    The Bible does not teach eternal conscious torment. The consistent testimony of scripture is that "the wages of sin is death," and not eternal life. Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17; Ezekiel 18:30-32; 1 John 5:12. It was the devil who first taught that one could sin and still have eternal life. Genesis 3:4. Jesus came to save us from perishing, and to give us eternal life, not to save us from living forever. John 3:16.

    Hellfire is something that takes place at the end of this world, and not at death. John 5:28,29; Matthew 13:40. In it, soul and body are completely destroyed. Matthew 10:28; 2 Thess 1:9. It will consume the wicked into ashes. Revelation 20:9; Malachi 4:1-3; Psalm 37:20. Even the devil will be consumed to ashes. Ezekiel 28:18,19; Isaiah 47:14.

    In the new earth, when all sin has been eradicated, there will be no more suffering or pain or death. Revelation 21:4.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen.

    Some talk about obeying Jesus as being "bad" and disobeying is "good." Those opposites sound awfully familiar and it definitely doesn't come from God.

    Isaiah 5:20.

    More than ever we must be on guard and have the armor of God on to protect against false teachings. Satan is working overtime to try to deceive people, even Christians. Matthew 10:16
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 11 - 3 years ago
    I believe The HOLY Spirit revealed this to me: it was Jesus that suffered violence & was taken force. Matthew 11:12, Matthew 10:5-8,

    Hebrews 13:12, Acts 17:3,

    Matthew 26:53-68, Matthew 27:1-54,

    Psalms 22,
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Cathleen Lovell,

    I'd like to first address that if you lost a pet you loved. I'm sorry for your sadness. GOD has compassion Psalms 145:8-9, Matthew 10:29,

    The scriptures do not say "all dogs go to heaven" however there are hints of some creatures.

    Isaiah 65:25, Mark 16:15,

    It says all beast shall give account of mans blood Genesis 9:5,6,

    GOD cares so much for us that HE gave us HIS Son for our Salvation John 3:15-16, knowledge of this helps us trust HIM with everything for HE made it all, All of creation John 1:1, 1 John 4:18,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on John 19 - 3 years ago
    Anthony,

    Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.

    He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27 Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Galatians 5 - 3 years ago
    Here are the scriptures I found concerning dead, in regards to The church.

    John 5:19-21,

    Early church was instructed

    Matthew 10:8, Matthew 10:1-42,

    Matthew 8:22, Mark 16:17-18,

    Leviticus 21:1-4,

    Leviticus 21:10-12,

    Numbers 5:1-3, Numbers 19:11-22

    Perhaps tradition started after early church hoping for miracle? Mark 7:6-9,

    Scripture concerning Apostles :

    Romans 1:1, Colossians 1:1, 1 Corinthians 1:1, 1Peter 1:1, 2Timothy 1:1, Galatians 1:1, 2 Corinthians 12:12,

    * 1 Corinthians 12:27-28, 1 Corinthians 12, in context*

    Additional Matthew 23:8-12, Matthew 23, in context

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • D W L - 3 years ago
    Delores - That makes some feel good but it won't stand in judgement.

    Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    John 15:2 Every branch (in me) that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

    John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    Matthew 25:14-30 And cast ye the (unprofitable servant) into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



    Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou (faithful unto death), and I will give thee a crown of life.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Dan:

    Matthew 10:28 And fear them not which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Brother Dan the word translated hell in this verse is the word Gehenna.

    The Old Testament refers to this as Hinnon, a valley outside of Jerusalem's walls, at the time Christ was on earth this valley was used as the cities dump.

    The garbage and trash and the dead bodies of criminals were thrown here.

    They had fire burning in that dump and worms were there eating the flesh of dead bodies. Where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.

    Christ was using Gehenna fire to show how he uses judgement to destroy the trash and unwanted things in our lives.

    That fire is now quenched and those worms are gone, because that dump site is now a city park.

    If the translators had left the word Gehenna in the verse, as they left it in tact in the Old Testament, instead of changing it to the word hell. There would not be so much deception.

    Brother Dan, the word Gehenna is used 11 time in the bible and translated as hell.

    James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is it among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and is set on fire OF GEHENNA (translated hell).

    Brother Dan, the WORKS in your body are not you WORKS, their God's works, you gave you life, for Christ's LIFE, now it's no longer you, but CHRIST IN YOU, doing the WORKS.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD which WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Jesus is the root, we are the branches, without me (in you) you can do nothing. I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

    Brother Dan the old you (sinful flesh) no longer exist, it died on the cross.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ......
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Bro Earl,

    Yes, I do believe in Hell, and I do believe that God will send sinners that don't repent from sin to Hell. Jesus speaks of hell in this verse in a very plain manner - easy to understand:

    Matthew 10:28

    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Do you not believe this verse? Do you just ignore Jesus?

    Earl, there is no salvation unless we repent. There is no repentance without a change to our former lifestyle. There is no eternal life without turning from sin to Jesus for salvation.

    Many people are sorry for their sins, yet not enough to change their life. True repentance will be sincere, and will include genuine sorrow, and should compel an earnest desire to change, and discontinue former sins.

    A Christian that accepts and follows Jesus will never in this life, be sin free. They should however," struggle and toil" to be sin less. This is our cross to bear! Jesus tells us to pick up "our cross" and follow him! Matthew 16:24-25

    Today, the largest crowd that yells the loudest about faith/grace and nothing else, are looking for the easy way out. Yes Jesus died for our sins, but not so that we can continue in our sinful ways. We need to pick up our crosses too, and follow Jesus! That takes action on our part!

    There are "no free tickets to heaven".

    God Bless
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Thanks Sister GiGi.

    It's funny how We share views of Scripture It's not the dialog that often breaks the peace It's what's sown within that reflects outwardly.

    You don't have to give your view, just post the scripture and there's contention!

    We shouldn't be surprised

    The concept is all through scripture.

    John 1:4-5.

    No one is going out to seek contention, It's already there.

    ( Example)

    Matthew 10:32-38.

    God don't compromise his Holiness to exercise judgment and I don't think he asks us to when dividing the word.

    We have to wonder If we're not going to win them over and they know they're not going to win us over, Why are they so adamant on keeping this dialog going? Perhaps they're after the audience. And this is where I believe 2 John 1:10-11 applies.

    And if we've been battling this for I know over a year!! Perhaps this verse apply.

    Matthew 7:6.

    My question was when do it apply and if we're so fundamental about everything else why not this?

    In the secular we call the democrats "liberals" But aren't we also as a whole.

    And this especially goes for those who say salvation is by works and not by grace when Paul makes that clear all through Galatians starting here-

    Galatians 1:6-8.

    Paul says let them be a curse

    But we call them Brother.

    He also emphasize it in

    Philippians 3:2-11. And this is the only "religion" given to Man and it slew us.

    Now this is a peaceful dialog that you and I are having but some would say it's contentious.

    And by the way I have been guilty of this as well, that's why I carefully say WE.

    Yes this is difficult but did the Lord say it wouldn't be?

    Be strong in the Lord

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Earl, I'm sure you mean well, but I, along with others here do not believe your interpretation of calling Jesus just a man. That disregards scripture like John 1 and Isaiah 44:6 that says Jesus was there in the beginning and helped create everything. Either you believe that or you don't. It clearly says Jesus helped create mankind so we believe it. He is the creator not the creation. This belief disregards all other scripture saying Jesus is God. If you scroll up you will see people have posted dozens of scripture that says that. That would be really sad if you deny the Lord. John 14:6 Isaiah 12:2 Matthew 10:33. 2 Peter 2:1

    Do you believe all of the Bible is true?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    To continue._..

    Sorry I realize without follow-up, 1st response a little unclear & not finished. The "independant" 3rd party research done about Autism linked to vaccinations, found: the liquid metals within the vacs to inject, [liquid metals like mercury become fluid before 90 at 90 we can remove impurities/other ingredient out of the metal like in simple water bath] [the mercury would sink to the bottom & other ingredient would float] [that's why mercury & other metals have reproductive health warning, because of settling within lowest parts of human body, when abortion occurs, through skin etc.]

    The increase of Autism, increased in States where Vaccination was 'requried' their scientific evidence found it effected "normal' children, beforehand then Autistic after vaccination because certain individuals were not able to absorb the metals.

    Hopefully this is helpful.

    I believe Romans 8:28, Luke 12:12,

    I believe through the experiences I've been through, trained & learned it's for the good of THE BODY of CHRIST. Matthew 10:8,

    Even with that said I am not an "Anti-vaxer" I believe we have the HOLY Spirit to guide us in all things. John 16:13, however we should all have the choice.

    Just because something was helpful, beneficial in the past doesn't mean we should put faith or trust in it now or future. Psalms 118:8, PsalmS 40:40

    The most recent vaccination actually has debate because of worse ingredients (graphite, which have high heat & electrical conductivity) & other very controversial 'evil' ingredients. Psalms 106:36-39

    Proverbs 8:12
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 13 - 3 years ago
    Please read these scriptures: John 7:1-53, Mark 2:1-28,

    This discussion came up Holidays 2019, there was hatred towards not wearing masks in donut shop Southern California 80-90 degrees near beach. Teenager asked "wouldn't Jesus just be nice" then it hit me with fire inside my spirit. I replied "Jesus would be the first to bring alarm!" "If they were going to arrest people for getting too close, touching the sick, HE'd probably be first" I could envision HIM hugging & healing people & upsetting the "norm" as "enforcers" would say "HE isn't allowed to do that."

    Luke 13:1-17, Luke 13:20-35, * Mark 3:1-6,9,10, *

    Hypocrisy of crowds, sporting events, parades, but Jesus crowds? Mark 2:2, hypocrisy= John 19:31, Luke 4:14-44,

    not wearing masks, HE'd probably be taking them off, elderly & children 1st. Would the creator of man, mankind, want them breathing carbondioxide, weaking their lungs, hiding HIS glory? 2 Corinthians, 1 John 1:1, seeking to save themselves? Luke 17:33, Matthew 16:35, Luke 8:35, John 12:25, Matthew 6:25

    Luke 6:1-19,

    John 9:1-7 can you imagine? criminal charges today?

    + HE actually gave commands to heal the sick, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Acts 4:28-30,

    "The saddest thing about all the hate, meaness, is when this is over, people will remember how badly they were treated" "let's try to remember that & be kind"

    Matthew 25:39

    It's almost 2022. Those mandates have caused division, job loss, depression etc., yet what proof of any good?

    To further answer your question: I have been in much prayer about it & I do not take lightly any scripture. I believe in USA we are a "Nation under GOD" being The People we are the ones with the Governing authority as per The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution & all States Constitutions. The people putting forth "Mandates" know they have not authority to call them "laws" they are therefore those that "resist the power & Ordinances of GOD" & the Higher power is GOD.

    Hopefully these are helpful.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Luke 20 - 3 years ago
    Felt led to add these scriptures: 1 Corinthians 4:5, Matthew 10:32-42,
  • GiGi - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Jesse, Your post explains a lot.
  • David - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Kari P.S. Just food for thought no place does it say for you to hate it says they will hate you, that's a big

    difference unless I'm reading wrong. God Bless
  • Rick - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Hi Kari Another point of view because they if their not born again won't and can't understand your

    change devotion to what you consider now important, its not that I hate people who don't know or

    don't believe its just that our commitment is to God first and foremost. We cannot serve God and mammon.

    They may hate us but we walk in love of God towards them. That is the witness the change that what we

    got captivated to at one time means nothing compared to our commitment to Christ. P.S. In addition to

    what was already shared. God Bless
  • Daivd - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Hi Bro Nice perspective! Learn something new everyday
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Kari,

    I would like to share with you my perspective from a biblical Greek study on this word hate. In Luke 14:26, it says " If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

    First of all let me tell you what the word hate means. This word is MISEO. It is not the word for hostile or hatred as we know it in English. It is a word of comparison. When MISEO is used with any of the words that have to do with love, it is showing comparison.



    In other words, Jesus is saying you must love me so much that the comparison between me and anybody else, or anything else, it makes it look like you hate them. You really don't, but that's what it looks like. It can't even be close!

    Jesus is not talking about walking away from our families. He's talking about cutting the emotional ties, not cutting the relationship. We need to understand that. In our society, there's a big play on the social interaction with friends and relatives. Jesus didn't say you couldn't have family. Jesus didn't say that you have to stop your relationship with family members. That is not what He is saying.



    He is saying that when it comes to choice and service, and what to do with your life, basically it's a no-brainer. It is Jesus. Family members that don't know Jesus aren't going to understand that. But do you know what they are going to understand? They are going to see and understand that Jesus means more to you than anything or anybody else in the world.

    So this is the teaching of Jesus, you must hate. That is, love everybody much less then you love me. It can't even be close. No question about it. You love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself, and that's a Hebraism for you are going to love your neighbor according to how you love the Lord.
  • David - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Hello Kari In the context of Mathew Jesus Christ is talking about the spiritual battle, you may have family

    members who don't believe and pretty negative towards you because of your belief in Christ. Thar's why he said

    mother against daughter father against son and so on. Some personally experience this and some don't. If you

    choose to follow Christ and you were hindu they, although you haven't died they literally have a funeral service

    for you and will not talk to you again because to them your dead.
  • Kari Harman on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    Why does Christ want us to hate family?
  • Jesse - 3 years ago
    Patricia,

    In Matthew 10:16-42, this is a section of scripture that talks about the training of the 12 apostles. Jesus says to them in Matthew 10:16, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

    The word "harmless" in the Greek means artless. And that doesn't mean you can't draw! It literally means don't use your own ingenuity. In other words, God is not impressed when we use our own ideas to do His work. We are to be wise as serpents. Now how is the serpent wise? Well, he is very alert and he watches and doesn't make quick reactions. That's what we are to be doing. We are to observe and be artless as doves. We all know how artless a dove is. And Jesus said that's the kind of person I will use.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    I believe it is like the nature of them. A serpent hides for conflict & watches it's opponent, yet instead of striking HE says be harmless as doves, doves are gentle don't peck or bite, they do however defend family & territory, I've also heard some will hide their nest & lead people & other creatures away from it.

    So, I believe it means when Jesus was directing HIS first disciple; He knew the dangers they would encounter as they went. Matthew 10:16-18, He knew they needed directions. Matthew 10,

    Example : I, by nature can be rather bold, knowing GOD has amazing power in all circumstance. That was before I faced severely dangerous situations for myself & family. When we were in a hostile area, unfamiliar territory overtaken with much crime & lawlessness, the LORD reminded me of these scriptures. It is wise in dangerous, unfamiliar area to be wise, observant, 'out of the spotlight', meek. It kept us safer, yet because we were different it also gave testimony. The scriptures also said "for the testimony against them" .
  • Patricia on Matthew 10 - 3 years ago
    My question is, what does the word of God means "to be wise as the serpents and harmless as doves"?
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Pastor Sheaks,

    I will agree, and add to what Brother Adam humbly stated previously. I agree that Jesus tells us that FEW will make it to heaven. It's not because they don't have the opportunity, they do, but most want to continue to live a sinful/worldly life.

    Matthew 10:38-39

    "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."

    "He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."

    Jesus provides us with the answers. He is the Judge and he tells us specifically in this scripture below in "simple words" what he will be looking for from us to enter heaven.

    Revelation 22:12-14

    And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    God Bless.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother David:

    Matthew 5:25 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body cast into GEHENNA (translated hell).

    When Jesus was on earth Gehenna was the dump ground for Jerusalem where all the trash, garbage and bodies of dead criminals was dumped. It was on fire to DESTROY. Worms were there eating the dead flesh. As long as there was new fuel being dumped there, the worms never died nor was the fire ever quenched. It's a city park now, the is no longer worms or a fire.

    Jesus was using Gehenna as an analogy, not something literal. If Jesus meant for you to take it literally, why aren't you missing eyes, hands and feet, that you have cut off and plucked out, to stay out of HELL.

    Matthew 5:30

    Matthew 10:28

    Matthew 23:15

    Matthew 23:33

    Mark 9:43

    Mark 9:45

    Mark 9:47

    Luke 12:5

    Matthew 5:22

    Matthew 18:9

    James 3:6

    All the verses have GEHENNA translated as HELL

    Here are the scriptures in the Old testament that refer to Hinnom.

    Nehemiah 11:30

    Joshua 15:8

    Joshua 18:16

    2 Kings 23:10

    2 Chronicles 28:3

    2 Chronicles 33:6

    Jeremiah 7:31

    Jeremiah 7:32

    Jeremiah 19:2

    Jeremiah 19:6

    Jeremiah 32:35

    None of the scriptures have anything to do with the CHRISTIAN HELL.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 3 years ago
    Hey Tony,

    If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

    We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

    The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

    These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

    Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

    God bless,

    RLW


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