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It was an engagement to be married, but in those days, a betrothal event considered the man & woman to be fully committed to marriage, unlike today where an engagement can be 'called off'. A betrothal could take place a year or more before the actual marriage ceremony.

Except for exceptional circumstances, (such as: Matthew 1:18.19, where Joseph was entitled to call off the betrothal to Mary because of her presumably being unfaithful, he was then visited by the Angel of the Lord to confirm to him that Mary's pregnancy was from the Lord & not because of any fornication), a betrothal was binding & could not be annulled.

Betrothed means engaged to be married.

What does betrothed, mean?

Hello, just to be clear that verse says "BUT" blasphemy of the holy spirit won't be forgiven.

It sounds like you've taken the right steps and I'd be careful in trusting your feelings. Feelings can be indicators, but they can also stem from misinterpreted information, false assumptions, or even lies. Example: someone was angry that someone harmed his daughter and took vengeance out on someone, because of his feelings. He deeply hated that person and rationalized it as doing 'God's work' by ending his life. Unfortunately, he had the wrong person, so he killed an innocent man. Someone who kills is a murderer. He followed his feelings.

A woman had an abortion then had deep regret. She couldn't forgive herself because her deep feelings of guilt. She somehow believe Jesus died on the cross for everyone else in the world, except for her. She somehow thought that not forgiving herself and punishing herself would be some kind of penance for what she did, but instead it only led to her neglecting herself, her kids, her family, her friends, and God. Feelings. We need to love ourselves in order to love others. It's the 2nd greatest commandment in the Bible! If we don't forgive ourselves how can we love others. We have a responsibility to do our part.

God is love. If God can even forgive murderers in the Bible and choose them for his most important work like Paul, Moses, David, etc, then God can forgive anybody of anything and has (except blasphemy of holy spirit), even if part of you doesn't feel worthy and doesn't totally believe it. Deeply ask yourself why you don't believe you should forgive yourself. Why isn't Jesus dying on the cross for you to pay for your sin enough for you? Get to the root of your beliefs by asking repeated specific questions and how you came to believe what you believe. If we shine a bright spotlight on ourselves sometimes we expose irrational beliefs or something untrue.

Hope part of this is helpful. God bless you...

Matthew chap 12 vs 31-32 say all manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, over a year ago I came back to Jesus and the church after having been away for a very long time, I have repented and turn away from the life I was living. Now I confessed my sins and I know Jesus died on the cross for all my sins. But it is different this time I don't feel forgiven like the last time. I guess what i want to know am I still saved even though i feel Jesus won't forgive me this time because I don't think he should forgive me. I know it how it sounds, but this is a very scary place to be because I do believe and always did. But all I ever hear from pastors and people are how once they came to Jesus they never looked back. What about all the people like me who knew wrong and did it anyway. then something makes us come back to our senses and we return to God. Are we still forgiven if we don't forgive ourselves?

I'll address your questions in order:

Hello, I see you say you believe in once saved, always saved.

Definitely:

Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

We are sealed until the day we die or are taken up at the rapture ie. for ever.

If so, how do you explain Jesus's warning to Christians to avoid sin? If Christians are already saved then why try to avoid sin anymore?

This is something we should always be doing. We have a choice when confronted with temptation. Avoid sin. This has nothing to do with our salvation - we are justified by faith, not works. Actively committing or avoiding sin is a work.

And how do you explain Jesus clearly saying that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost won't be forgiven in Matthew 12:31?

Define 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.

And do you think Christians are robbed of their free will to sin when they become a Christian. If so, how do you explain even angels in heaven having freewill to sin, like satan, but human beings don't on earth?

Our free will is not affected by our salvation, otherwise there would be no warnings against sinning. We are free to do as we please, or as God pleases. Choose wisely.

Hello, I see you say you believe in once saved, always saved.

If so, how do you explain Jesus's warning to Christians to avoid sin? If Christians are already saved then why try to avoid sin anymore?

And how do you explain Jesus clearly saying that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost won't be forgiven in Matthew 12:31?

And do you think Christians are robbed of their free will to sin when they become a Christian. If so, how do you explain even angels in heaven having freewill to sin, like satan, but human beings don't on earth?

Hi David,

If you believe you're perfect and sinless like Jesus, that would be contrary to: Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23.

Ephesians 4:32 - says be kind and tenderhearted and forgive others like Christ has forgiven you, but if you have to be 100% perfect as a Christian why would it say that? Are you suggesting that you've been 100% perfect and sinless since becoming a Christian? For example, you have never lied or quarreled or raised your voice at anyone and have always forgiven others for their sins?

If you believe you've been 100% perfect and sinless, which even Paul wasn't able to do, then aside from Jesus you're the first and only human to be perfectly sinless after becoming a Christian? Just as a warning this could be the sin of pride Proverbs 16:5 and 2 Timothy 3:2.

Matthew 5:48 - Jesus said to strive to be perfect and obey his commands John 14:15, but that doesn't mean you must be perfect to be saved. Ephesians 2:8. That also doesn't mean you have an excuse to sin intentionally.

Matthew 12:31 - Jesus clearly said only blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only sin that won't be forgiven. So, if your point is the NO sins are forgiven after you become a Christian then why would Jesus say this to everyone (including his Christian followers) that all sins ARE forgiven but this one?

Paul admits in Romans 7:15 that he deeply struggles with the flesh and sin. Does that mean you think the man who write the most books of the Bible and was the top evangelist for Christianity went to hell?

My belief is that you don't earn heaven by being perfect. You are saved by believing Jesus, confessing and repenting of your sin and actively following Jesus. You try to avoid sin to the absolute best of your ability, but it doesn't mean you'll be perfect. It in fact says we are all imperfect, but if we're genuinely following Jesus then we're covered by grace as we progress in our life as a Christian. It doesn't mean the grace erases sin, but we will be forgiven if we're a Christian following Jesus. Jesus shares a great parable about sin and forgiveness in Matthew 18.

Matthew 12:36-37 - Jesus sets the bar very, very high with every word you speak to others, your thoughts, and if you even look at a woman. Matthew 5:28. Am I supposed to believe your the first person since Jesus to ever do this perfectly and that you're 'earning' heaven? Congratulations, but I think you're in for a surprise, because that's not what the Bible says and above are just a few of the Bible verses that prove that. I'm offering this in kindness to offer a different perspective to a Christian brother. God bless.

Salvation is not given until people are judged and that doesn't happen until after Jesus comes. People assume they're saved as if they now can enjoy sin as much as they want with no consequence despite verses like Romans 14:12. Secondly, some people falsely assume they no longer have freewill to sin after becoming a Christian, despite all the other verses saying you can sin. Paul was a Christian and deeply struggled with his 'flesh' tempting him to sin and wrote about that in depth. There is no evidence that says your freewill to sin is stripped away. Even angels in heaven could sin, such as satan, so of course a Christian still has the ability to sin, but is supposed to actually try hard to have self control and NOT SIN. People try hard to blame others and to avoid accountability for their own actions, but no, no one forces them to sin, but themselves and their own bad choices. Those who believe Christians cannot sin are basically calling Jesus a liar. Jesus spent so much time warning his followers (Christians) to avoid sin, and shared many parables, and kept challenging them. John 14:15, Hebrews 10:26, Matthew 12:31-32. The once saved- always saved belief is a very predictable argument, but is debunked by the Bible itself if someone were to read it carefully and pray to God and ask for the heart to know the truth. Satan loves to deceive Christians into believing they have a get out of jail free card that entitles them to live in the world and enjoy unlimited sin with no consequence and of course that has the devil's signature all over it.

Mark 2:27

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

Matthew 12:8

For the Son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

Mark 2:28

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Clearly The Lord is saying that HE IS the Lord of the Sabbath. If you will scour the NEW TESTAMENT on the Sabbath, you will quickly see that Jesus not only healed people on the Sabbath; He preached to thousands on the Sabbath.

The Pharisees, Sadducees and scribes all banded together to destroy Jesus for it, too.

What kind of people call themselves Christian followers of Jesus and lead others to believe we Get To Debate which day of the week is the Sabbath?

How very hastily we walk the wide road into Apostacy. Or, loss of reward at The Bema Seat Judgement of Christ: where there will be rewards or loss of rewards?

Jesus says clearly that He alone is the Lord of the Sabbath. We follow Jesus; not what the world, or other religions teach.

Didn't Jesus pay enough for us to believe what he said and did?

Why don't we dig into the scriptures of what Apostacy is? I've never seen that one debated in here. It's about knowing the right things to do or just walking away from it altogether.

Don't email because this subject is closed, for me, for now.

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Yet, I don't hold as some do, that all the Gifts (at least those such as Tongues, Healing & Miracles) have ceased. 1 Cor 13:8-10 is usually given in support that all these are no more since "that which is perfect comes": probably they're referring to the complete Word of God or the full establishment of Christ's Church when those 'spectacular' Gifts are no longer warranted. I'm not convinced about such a stance as I just don't have enough from the Word to support this. The verse could well speak of what we know & do "in part" now will one day in the future be fully known when there will be no further need of such manifestations. I do admit that we see a lot of false proofs, but can we say with all certainty that the Spirit has ceased altogether in His demonstration of His Power to the Church & the World? Some have even attributed these manifestations to the work of the Devil; this is very sad & grievous as the caution for 'blaspheming' e.g. Matthew 12:31, is when some applied the works of the Holy Spirit of God to Satan. Apart from one example that I heard of, where an actual unlearned language was spoken for the blessing of the Church, but the brother was soon pulled back down as there was in their midst one who actually spoke & understood that language. The message was satanic which blasphemed the Deity rather than glorifying him. But we need to take care as to how we view such manifestations & also in understanding the Scriptures.

MATTHEW 12: (red letters)

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Jesus was teaching this. Where it says spirits; these are the evil spirits; or Demons. The demon of fear brings

tormenting demons along with him. A demon of Bondage captures people with addictions, like drugs, alcohol, sexual addictions like porn; the demon of Infirmity will wear a person down till they are very sick with all manner of diseases.

There are many names for them. I find it much easier to identify the with what Jesus taught about FRUITS. Witchcraft, sorcery, murder, stealing. Sometimes FAMILIAR spirits follow families and inflict old family curses on them: like for women who cannot bear children. Curses can be lifted with study to get information, and then prayer.

Rebellion is as the sin of Witchcraft. If your teenager is violent and profane: you know his fruit.

The prayer of faith will heal the sick; bind and cast out the demons to go into outer darkness and dry hot places.

Demons are invisible, but they can manifest frightening scary incidents. If you read horoscopes instead of the Bible "to get a word for the day", you invite occult demons into the house. Phone psychics, Quiga board games, etc. Get rid of all idols so God can bless you!

That's why Jesus said to GARNISH you/your House. You must have Bible inside of you! If you can quote scriptures like the Son of God...you can make demons leave. Put on the Armor that Jesus paid for with his Blood, and plead the Blood over the entire home.

Ephesians 6.

Mishael

The most recent comments are confirmation what spirit you are of and the spirt you serve ( Luke 9:55; John 8:34).

There are not too many songs being heard in Eastern Canada, similar to California, but for different reasons. People that make their livelihood of the leading industries have their food basket slowly taken away. China has closed the borders to most products (e.g. lobster) and farmers have little to harvest as a result of the severe drought. The rural communities have been dying for the last ten years and the list of businesses that are closing is staggering. It is clear by your comments that you do not know what 'sin' is. It is not an act as you have been made to believe, but rather the 'fruit of the natural man' and is the very reason we urge you to repent. It means to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

Hospitals are a 'stronghold' ( 2 Cor. 10:4) of Satan's divided kingdom and his world ( Matthew 12:26; Luke 4:6; 11:18; John 12:31; 14:30; 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 2:2; 6:12; 1John 3:8) and the love you speak of is the love of the world and we know that you have not the love of God in you ( John 5:42).

So our message will remain the same: ye must repent.

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg, Canada

Arguing is unfruitful.

Matthew 12:33

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Guys, we are the fruit. Jesus is the Tree.

Marilyn, most, if not all, of revelation are symbols that represents teachings of the spirit that are hidden from our carnal eyes. Trees are symbolic of man, Jesus being symbolic as the tree of life, when we have our minds renewed, by becoming one with Christ, ( the coming of the Lord or the day of the Lord, which began at Pentecost) we also become one with the tree of life. Therefore, the tree (singular) on either side of the river is the first fruit of Christ (us). 1 Corinthians 15:20 but now is Christ risen from the dead, and is become the first fruits of them that slept. 21 for since by man came death, by man also the resurrection of the dead. 23 but every man in his (Gods) on order: Christ the first fruits; after ward they that are Christ at his coming. Isaiah 6:13 but yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth (first fruit), and it (first fruit) shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree (us), and as an oak (us), whose (Christs) substance (holy seed) is in them (first fruit), when they (first fruit) cast their (first fruit) leaves; so the holy seed (Christ) shall be the substance thereof. Romans 11:16 for if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy;and if the root be holy so are the branches. Ezekiel 47:12 and by the river (living water) upon the banks thereof, on this side and that side, shall grow all trees (of life;us) for meat (spiritual food; word of God), whose (tree of life,us) leaf shall not fade, neither shall the (first) fruit thereof be consumed (12 baskets left): it (tree of life) shall bring forth new fruit according to his (Gods) months; and the (first) fruit thereof shall be for meat (spiritual food;word of God), and the leaf thereof for medicine (healing of the nations). Matthew 12:33 the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven (spirit of God) which a woman (new Jerusalem; the mother of us all) took, and hid in three measures of meal (the meal offering to God, us), till the whole (lump) (all mankind) was leavened (by the spirit of God).

Sharelle,

The believers do not entangle themselves in the affairs of this life ( 2 Timothy 2:4). This current world is Satan' kingdom ( Matthew 12:26; Luke 4:6; 11:18; John 12:31; 14:30; 2 Cor. 4:4; Eph. 2:2; 6:12; 1 John 3:8). In fact, for whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world, and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith ( 1John 5:4).

Seek, and ye shall find (Mathew 7:7).

Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

David was a man after Gods own heart. Even with his frailties, God loved Him. That's how I learned. A servant will attend to every request of His master. He will sit in the watchtower, with the watchman; in the night. He will sit in the dark patiently waiting on what the Lord will speak.

I cannot describe the rewards of being that kind of servant.

1 chronicles 16:11: what is the literal meaning of to seek his face - throughout the old testament basically.

i get that we should seek the lord while he may be found, but what does it mean to actually seek his face?

I was reading Job ch 38 v 36

I thought you may like this verse . God was speaking to Job .

Sun up to sundown Saturday.

Where in the Bible does it say to use wisdom and knowledge in all things?

Some of your questions have been answered in recent days. At the bottom of this page; look through the 1-100 history pages. It's really interesting to see what we missed a week or so, ago.

There's history pages in Questions, and in Discussion Room.

Thank you Mishael, God Bless you and your work!

Carleton

Joshua 22:22

"The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)"

The call of God into the ministry of the word: What think ye?

You can google that...

The Sabbath begins at nightfall on Friday and lasts until nightfall on Saturday. In practical terms the Sabbath starts a few minutes before sunset on Friday and runs until an hour after sunset on Saturday, so it lasts about 25 hours.

I'm quite knowledgeable about Jewish culture, so I'll answer this correctly

Some non-Jews have only vaguely heard about the word "Sabbath" (called Shabbat in Yiddish) but it is less known that there are a few different types of Sabbaths, such as, what I call, the Soil Sabbath in Leviticus 25. Since you obviously mean the weekly Sabbath, the quick answer is that it is generally from 6p.m. Friday evening to 6p.m. Saturday evening. The long answer involves where on the planet one lives, the season, and/or how strictly a Rabbi defines the timing of sunset

The fact that no one rushed to answer this before me shows me 2 insights: That some of the regular responders at least have the humility to know that they didn't know, and I see an opportunity to use your question as an original teaching example: that just because the Bible doesn't mention a keyword, or a phrase, or the details, or it's own doctrine, the ancient Jews from the time of Moses were very smart to figure it out from Genesis chapter one

Too bad white culture Bible Colleges and seminaries don't teach logic, reading comprehension, and analytical thinking skills because apostasy and unnecessary controversies such as the centuries old Trinity, the Rapture, and the fable about Genesis Six's sexual "angels" continue as proofs that most pastors, ministers and priests have failed in their teachings and duty-of-care responsibility charged by God. Furthermore, they are too afraid to question and investigate the fake additions to the New Testament that has been wrongly attributed to Saint Paul, such as the supposed dogma that 'women are inferior and unable to teach'

According to Jewish law, when does the Sabbath start and end?

First, receiving Christ does not mean that your future sins have been forgiven. That is why John says, "...but if we sin we have an advocate with the Father...", you have to repent to be forgiven as 1 John 1:9 assures us.

Those are not just acts, they are transgressions of the 10 commandments. And sin by definition is transgression of the Law 1 John 3:4 and Romans 4:15. It is a verb with a meaning. Without the commandements, the how do you know that you have sinned, because even Paul in his epistle to the Romans 7:7-13 says that it was because of the law that he knew sin. And there are so many verses from him that forbids us to commit that act of sin.

James in his epistle 2:8-14, tells it very well that we should keep all the 10 commandments and quotes two of them. Having being saved by Christ is by faith, but you show this faith by keeping God's law so that people know that you are saved and through your actions they may get to know God.

With this in mind, there are two kinds of laws in the Bible, the 10 commandments and the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law is what Christ nailed on the cross and that we have no obligation to follow. But the 10 commandments are perpetual, even Christ Himself says they will never change until heaven and earth come to pass, Matthew 5:18-19.

In the Hebrew nation, before Christ they used to sin knowingly because they knew in the Mosaic law there was a provision that if you sin, you take a lamb or any other animal as prescribed by that law, take it to the priest, confess to it and when it was sacrificed you were forgiven of your sins. But now with Christ, all that was no more, and this applies to us too. That when we sin knowingly we grieve the Holy Spirit because He convicts us of sin, Ephesians 4:30, Matthew 12:30-32.