Mark 8:22-26, this seems to be the same account witnessed by John: John 9, whole chapter, note: Exodus 4:11, & John 9:1,3,32,33,39,
Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,
Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,
Mark 6:1-6,
The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,
Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.
Was it the man's doubt?
Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.
There would seem to be two parameters here. We need to acknowledge that forgiveness of sins is still necessary after one is "Born Again" as long as we remain in our old bodies; with the potential for corrupted behaviors if we are not subject to Him in putting these old works to death. Since there are verses about sitting down before your brother before taking your gift before the altar and forgiving "seventy times seven" we certainly can bear the scars as long as we are in these mortal bodies because of the result of our sins. It was grace that allowed David to be forgiven of adultery and deliberately putting Uriah the Hittite in a position to be killed hence setting him up. Both sins according to the law were worthy of death; the Prophet told David that he would not die (grace); however he was to lose his child by Bathsheeba. This grief would not last forever; as David foresaw that he would go to see his child; not vice versa implying after his death. Consequences in Corinthians also show how communion unworthily taken can result in early death.
This begs the question as to whether anything can be forgiven for the unregenerate. On a surface level actions can be forgiven; at least among men. The comment to the Pharisee about those who are forgiven much love much ( Luke 7:36 and continuing into next chapter) shows that the heart of stone ( Ezekiel 11:19) was not converted in his case to one of flesh. All we can do as sinners is try to avoid the consequences of largely external actions. The heart where all the thoughts of evil or bad fruit come from ( Matthew 15:19) must be transformed so that we can understand we have offended a Holy God whenever we transgress against those made in the image of God (in reality in the image of man since Adam). All mankind should be treated with dignity as an eternal soul; even in a fallen state.
In short; we cannot lose our salvation but until glorification sin remains. We should mend things fast ( Prov. 18:19!)
I truly appreciate your response. I am also happy that we can discuss the truth according to the word of God, KJV Bible. I really do agree with what you said that Jesus came to save all of us. So as the apostle Paul. That is why he wrote the gospel according to the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. There is none that indicated in my explanations that Paul has a different Gospel than Jesus Christ. I simply stated that these two verses distinguishes one from the other (i.e. between v8 and v16). Come to think of it. It makes it more amazing that God is a God of number. It multiplies the 8 by 2 and you have verse 16. Anyway, I digressed. It also amazes me that in Matthew 15:24 Jesus said that. I know every word in the Bible is very important, especially inspired by God. There is no way one can understand the Bible without dividing the word of truth per 2 Timothy 2:15. That is why I study very hard. Because Jesus Christ personally selected Paul to be His last disciple, Jesus revealed to Paul more information for us Gentiles. Something that Jesus did not reveal to other Apostles. Peter even agreed that some of Paul's epistles are hard to understand. But in the end Peter agreed with Paul. I am trying not to repeat myself in every comment entry I have here. With my 60 years experienced in the world, my professional job is really not to confused people. I have noticed some understand but not many see the truth. That is why I made my comment a stimulating discussions. I truly understand your point. I also can see why people get confused on the passages. I truly believed there is a dispensation in the word of truth. For example, why do you think Jesus Christ said to His disciples in Matthew 10:5-6 to not go to Gentiles but to the lost sheep of Israel? Then in the last two verses in Matthew 28 He said to go to all Nations? If there is no dispensation, one would say Jesus is contradicting Himself. But we know God better than that. Don't we?
I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: (see Matthew 15:24)
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
These two verses distinguished that Christ came to the lost Jews and that Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ to be our (i.e. Gentiles') Apostle. Do any of the readers see the big differences here? I have noticed that most comments everywhere forgot to divide the word of truth ( 2 Timothy 2:15). Do you believe in the dispensation?
Here is my understanding of this section of Matthew Chapter 15. If I take Matthew 15:1-20 together, I see the protesting of the Scribes and Pharisees. In Matthew 15:2, they begin their protest. These Scribes and Pharisees were very strict at upholding Jewish tradition. But in Matthew 15:3, Jesus makes it clear that the commandments of God are far greater than any of their traditions.
Jesus goes on in Matthew 15:7 to call them hypocrites. The word hypocrite is actually a theater term, a drama term. A person that learns their lines is an actor, and that person is responding to the script. That is an actor. So Jesus says you are hypocrites, you are just acting according to the script. You have no life in you! They did not have Christ working in them. They were spiritually dead. They were very religious, but they were just acting the part. No life in them!
In Matthew 15:12, the disciples tell Jesus that He offended them (The Pharisees). He called them hypocrites! And then in Matthew 15:13, Jesus gives instruction, and for this He uses a plant. He says, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." Meek and mild Jesus, you got to love him!
If I go on and read through to Verse 20, it seems clear that He is speaking about the Scribes and Pharisees in Verse 13. When I get down to Verse 20 which says, "These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man," I see this as being sort of a "bookend" to Verse 2.
So every plant, (every person) who is not feeding off the life source (Christ) is considered a dead plant, and that plant will be rooted up and cast away.
Dear "William Bennett", i do not want to immerse myself in different food laws. And the question may be interesting. Eat everything to the glory of God! There is great confusion and many words come to me when you mention this. But you will probably get answers from others who are more familiar with the law itself. First Peter's vision Acts 10. If you read the whole chapter, you will see that we are all today set free from the law. Therefore, nothing is unclean. Only that which comes out of a man is unclean. Matthew 15:11
Free from the law Galsatians 2:16 Romans 7:1-6
God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u in Christ.
The point of this scripture seems to be the " impossibility " that Jesus shows all things are possible. John 6:5-13,
Note: John 6:7 note the last part of that scripture says clearly "._._. is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. "
Regardless of amount of money, even clear understanding of money amounts for time, inflation, price gouging, sales, shortage etc. Historical understanding doesn't say what GOD's scripture does about the message He is saying to us.
1st John 6:6 "And this he said to prove him, for he himself knew what he would do."
It was Philip Jesus was talking to: John 6:5, & Phillip who answered: John 6:7, his answer was about financial calculation, earnings, lack, almost as if money was the only answer he had. Remember it was to prove him. When we see " impossibilities" where's our faith & solutions?
Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39, Mark 6:30-44, Luke 9:12-17,
Matthew 4:24, Matthew 8:8-13, Matthew 8:16, Matthew 12:15, Matthew 12:22, Matthew 15:20, Matthew 19:2, Matthew 21:14, Mark 3:10, Luke 4:40, Luke 5:15, Luke 6:18, Luke 6:19, Psalms 147:3,
John 16:23, Luke 11,
Hopefully these help, comfort, direct & encourage you as you seek GOD & HIS healing
Good information: truth shines from the word of God. As you said the leaders of Jerusalem should have known. I believe they did know, in Matthew 2:3-6, that Jerusalem (chief priests and scribes) was also troubled. They knew the time, but God did to them what He did to Pharoah, He blinded and hardened their hearts, John 12:40. To me this kind of ties into the things S Spencer has been sharing.
There are other scriptures they were probably aware of, like Jeremiah 50:6 and Ezekiel 34 where God told Ezekiel to prophesy against the shepherds, (the leaders) and what God would do, Ezekiel 34:10.
So, they were troubled to hear Jesus was born. They did not even send anyone to Bethlehem to see. You would think they would have been jumping for joy, but they did not want to give up the power, wealth, and Moses's seat they had. Jesus the true Shepherd John 10:11 first came only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24, fulfilling and confirming the covenant Hebrews 13:20. Jesus also told the scribes and the Pharisees their house is left to them desolate, and He will return Matthew 23:36-39.
Their duty as shepherds was over in that generation, 70 AD, and the sheep shall be gathered again, Isaiah 11:12Ezekiel 37:21-22Jeremiah 23:3 and more.
Reply to Women in Ministry - In Reply - 2 years ago
Please know that I do not mean to cause any discord here. But I would like to point out that the verses you gave: Matthew 15:31, Matthew 11:5, and Luke 7:22 are not proof of the indwelling Holy Spirit and the anointing or the evidence of gifts of the Holy Spirit. When these words were spoken, the Holy Spirit had not come yet so no one could have had the indwelling Spirit at that time.
Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
This is proof of the indwelling Holy Spirit and the anointing or the evidence of gifts of the Holy Spirit. I'm going to encourage women to exercise their faith.
We'll just have to be at peace with our different interpretations.
What about in Leviticus 24 when the son of an Israelitish woman blasphemes God and the congregation of Israel stones him with stones? Are you altogether against the death penalty? Jesus taught the death penalty in Matthew 15:4 which is a direct commandment from Leviticus 20:19. Paul taught the death penalty in Romans 1:32. Yes, For God so loved the world... and Christ died for everyone but that is besides the point. The book of Psalms goes on a tour de force on hating God's enemies and evil reprobates. I am a legalistic because Romans 3 says we establish the law and all of God's laws are altogether perfect. If you are totally against killing people, I would say that is some eastern mysticism, not biblical christianity. There is a time to kill and a time to heal. We could have an AIDS free world by tomorrow.
Deuteronomy 28, note: Deuteronomy 28:58, Deuteronomy 28:15, Deuteronomy 28:28, Matthew 15:22-28, Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 5:2-13, Mark 7:27-30, Luke 4:33-43, Luke 8:26-40, Luke 9:35-50, Acts 10:38, James 4:7, 1John 3:8, Jude 1:9,
Rules and Traditions of man vs The Bible - In Reply on Matthew 15 - 2 years ago
Wesley's Notes for Matthew 15:2
15:2 The elders - The chief doctors or, teachers among the Jews.
People's Bible Notes for Matthew 15:2
Why do thy disciples transgress? Not the law of Moses, but the TRADITION of the elders, which had as much authority with the Pharisees as the written law.
The tradition of the elders. Purported to be precepts never written in the Scriptures, but handed down from the times of Moses and the elders by oral means. These precepts were spoken of the "law upon the lip", and have been embodied in the Talmud. They were additions to the written word. See Galatians 1:14. For they wash not their hands. The orthodox Jews insisted on washing the hands before eating, not to remove the filth, but less they might have touched something ceremonially unclean. This commandment was purely traditional, but so rigidly did they insist upon observing it that the Rabbi Akiba, imprisoned by the Romans and with scarcely water to sustain life, preferred to use all provided for his ceremonial ablutions, and to die of thirst.
Mathew 15/27 And she said,Truth,LORD;yet the dogs eat of the crumbs,which fall from the master's table.28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her,O woman great is thy faith:be it even unto thee as thou wilt.And her daughter was made whole that very hour. 0 0 oo oo oo o o o ooo ooooo ooo oo ooo oo Holy Bread Crumbs
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o o As a radiant light you begin to glow. o o oo o o o oo o
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o o A mystery inside a mystery. o o o o o o o o oo oooo
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o o A treasure inside a treasure so deep. o o o o o o o o o
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o o To guide you on your journey to the sublime. o ooo ooo o
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o o To follow to savour from ashes to dust. o o oo ooooo ooo
o o When we humble ourselves and repent of our sin.o oo oo
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Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.
He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.
Absence of words do not set an agreement to a matter.
Where did HE say that? About washing? HE said Matthew 15:3, Matthew 15:7-11, Matthew 16:20,
These were leaders, teachers, transcribers of GOD's Laws, "the Holy Scriptures" in the Jewish religion. HE, Jesus "Jewish" Messiah, was pointing out to them the importance of the Laws they were supposed to know, transcribe & teach.
Matthew 15:7-9, HE, Jesus brings of prophetic Words from the very Books they were supposed to know. Then HE addresses the people. Matthew 15:10-12,13,14
Then Matthew 15:15-20 Jesus points out the true defilement Matthew 15:18,19,20,
Matthew 15:22-28, Romans 1:16-24,
interestingly we feel offended for her, yet she persisted, then was granted a miracle & an edification for her "great faith" .
Brother Earl, Brother Adam, I believe this is an important issue to discuss. Perhaps it is the HOLY Spirit that is having us gather here together to discuss this.
I'm only addressing the two of you by name (right now) because you are both correct (on most) of these issues & today Earl I think people do need to know & address; there are differences in eternity & grave. Today the world faces many issues & decisions that lead to the grave. (I have lost many loved ones, from decisions that led to destruction, ultimately the grave) examples smoking, addictions, drinking etc.) we today have sugar flooding our foods & obesity even in medical practice. The biggest discussion in society, religion & political is actually right in line with 'which destruction?' "death', immunization, etc. Luke 9:25, Mark 8:36, John 12:25, Matthew 16:26,
I would like eveyones input on= What do feel the LORD leading us to discuss about the differences? Where our focuses should be? How do we discuss people making bad health choices?
Please even address this Matthew 15:19, if you would.
Larry Hudson, Perhaps you are very aware of the scripture & The HOLY Spirit has revealed to you an amazing & important message. Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Romans 11:7-36, Romans 1:16, Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, John 8:1-58,
John 16:1-4, John 17:1-26, John 18:12-15,
Forgive our zeal for GOD's love for us. As adopted in, grafted in children. John 3:16,
Genesis 28:20-22 Jacob established a promise to GOD on his Tithe. Giving a 10th , 10% of 100% if translation fits our measurements. Malachi 3:10, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 15:1-6, James 1:27, Leviticus 27:30, I hope this is helpful
Continued: The Gospel of the Kingdom: Jesus and the 12 preached the gospel (good news) of the Kingdom at THAT time ( Matthew 4:17, Matthew 9:35, Acts 3:19). Which was for the Jew only ( Matthew 10:5,6: Luke 9:10Matthew 15:24; John 4:22; Matthew 18:11; Romans 15:8) Appropriated by repentance, baptism, faith plus works. The content of the gospel of the Kingdom was Jesus was Israel's promised Messiah, the Son of God. " And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the Kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. Matthew 9:35 The apostle Peter's profession of faith was that he believed Jesus was in fact the Christ, the Son of God. Not that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead three days later. No way, how could that be Jesus was still alive. And the gospel of grace wouldn't be revealed for another 10 years. Yes, of course. Everything is based on the finished work of the cross but in time, at that time ,that was all Peter or any other Jewish person was to believe for salvation. "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven," Matthew 16:15-17 The gospel of the Kingdom began with John the Baptizer and ended during the Acts period ( Acts 15:11) The gospel of the kingdom will pick up again when the body of Christ is raptured and the Lord turns His attention back to Israel and the Kingdom gospel and the 490 years prophesied in Daniel 9. Also known as the tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, or Daniel's 70th week." And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come". Matthew 24:14 To be continued, conclusion:
Thanks for your response, always appreciate your thoughts, and viewpoints.
Yes, I agree, we are all like the thieves being crucified next to Jesus. We are all sinners, and Jesus was the pure sin free lamb sacrificed for us. Wow!!!!
John 1:29
"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
1 John 2:2
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 Peter 1:19
"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"
I can find no words to express my gratitude to Jesus for HIS Sacrifice. I pray that his Holy Spirit will help to manifest in me what comes from my heart and mouth to help produce the good fruit that is so desirable.
Matthew 15:11
"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
Hello Rawlie. The singular method that stands out which Jesus used, was to speak to the people in parables. See Mark 4:33,34: "And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples".
As you know, Jesus as the Word of God (the second Person of the Godhead), came in the flesh as the Son of God. He was always the verbal Expression from God, both in creation & to His people. Just as the prophets of old spoke God's Message (the Word) to the people, chiefly to instruct & warn them of present & future, those prophets ceased in that type of office, & now God's Word comes forth through His Son ( Hebrews 1:1,2: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds").
So, how does one introduce Kingdom Truths to a people devoid of such knowledge & without the Holy Spirit within them, so that they can understand? Parables (simple stories of the world & society they knew) were shared with the people so that they could get a glimpse of God's Purposes for them. Even Jesus' disciples often had to ask Jesus to interpret the parables to them, as they too were simple folk without spiritual Light ( Matthew 15:15,16: "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"). But at Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given & Light entered them.
When Jesus shared the Word, He spoke to both the crowds & to individuals, but always in the context that they would understand. Others, such as the religious leaders used His talks as ammunition to rebuke Him. Yet, Truth always prevails & they were left wanting. Likewise, we too can use simple pertinent stories to people, especially specific to their questions & needs.
Words of Jesus : John 10:15,16, Matthew 15:24, Matthew 18:10-14, John 3:16, Romans 8,
Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19,
Hopefully these are helpful
Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,
Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,
Mark 6:1-6,
The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,
Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.
Was it the man's doubt?
Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.
This begs the question as to whether anything can be forgiven for the unregenerate. On a surface level actions can be forgiven; at least among men. The comment to the Pharisee about those who are forgiven much love much ( Luke 7:36 and continuing into next chapter) shows that the heart of stone ( Ezekiel 11:19) was not converted in his case to one of flesh. All we can do as sinners is try to avoid the consequences of largely external actions. The heart where all the thoughts of evil or bad fruit come from ( Matthew 15:19) must be transformed so that we can understand we have offended a Holy God whenever we transgress against those made in the image of God (in reality in the image of man since Adam). All mankind should be treated with dignity as an eternal soul; even in a fallen state.
In short; we cannot lose our salvation but until glorification sin remains. We should mend things fast ( Prov. 18:19!)
I truly appreciate your response. I am also happy that we can discuss the truth according to the word of God, KJV Bible. I really do agree with what you said that Jesus came to save all of us. So as the apostle Paul. That is why he wrote the gospel according to the scriptures in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. There is none that indicated in my explanations that Paul has a different Gospel than Jesus Christ. I simply stated that these two verses distinguishes one from the other (i.e. between v8 and v16). Come to think of it. It makes it more amazing that God is a God of number. It multiplies the 8 by 2 and you have verse 16. Anyway, I digressed. It also amazes me that in Matthew 15:24 Jesus said that. I know every word in the Bible is very important, especially inspired by God. There is no way one can understand the Bible without dividing the word of truth per 2 Timothy 2:15. That is why I study very hard. Because Jesus Christ personally selected Paul to be His last disciple, Jesus revealed to Paul more information for us Gentiles. Something that Jesus did not reveal to other Apostles. Peter even agreed that some of Paul's epistles are hard to understand. But in the end Peter agreed with Paul. I am trying not to repeat myself in every comment entry I have here. With my 60 years experienced in the world, my professional job is really not to confused people. I have noticed some understand but not many see the truth. That is why I made my comment a stimulating discussions. I truly understand your point. I also can see why people get confused on the passages. I truly believed there is a dispensation in the word of truth. For example, why do you think Jesus Christ said to His disciples in Matthew 10:5-6 to not go to Gentiles but to the lost sheep of Israel? Then in the last two verses in Matthew 28 He said to go to all Nations? If there is no dispensation, one would say Jesus is contradicting Himself. But we know God better than that. Don't we?
I agree with your first sentence. To add, Jesus said "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 KJV. During Jesus Christ on earth He commanded His Disciples in Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus was preaching the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Had the Jews recognized their King..could of, would of, should of. But they killed their Messiah. Your second sentence is half correct. Jesus Christ had chosen Paul to be the twelfth apostle with a purpose to tell us Gentiles more detail what happened during his dispensation. The word dispensation can only be found 4X in Paul's epistles: 1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
These verses proved to me that when Paul told us to "divide the word of truth" means that God speaks to different people in different times. Meaning Dispensation. Therefore, some verses of the Bible applies only to the Jews and only to Gentiles and some applies both to Jews and Gentiles in different times as "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:1 KJV. Paul is our Apostle today. His dispensation of Grace is critical for today's salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Agape.
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
These two verses distinguished that Christ came to the lost Jews and that Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ to be our (i.e. Gentiles') Apostle. Do any of the readers see the big differences here? I have noticed that most comments everywhere forgot to divide the word of truth ( 2 Timothy 2:15). Do you believe in the dispensation?
Here is my understanding of this section of Matthew Chapter 15. If I take Matthew 15:1-20 together, I see the protesting of the Scribes and Pharisees. In Matthew 15:2, they begin their protest. These Scribes and Pharisees were very strict at upholding Jewish tradition. But in Matthew 15:3, Jesus makes it clear that the commandments of God are far greater than any of their traditions.
Jesus goes on in Matthew 15:7 to call them hypocrites. The word hypocrite is actually a theater term, a drama term. A person that learns their lines is an actor, and that person is responding to the script. That is an actor. So Jesus says you are hypocrites, you are just acting according to the script. You have no life in you! They did not have Christ working in them. They were spiritually dead. They were very religious, but they were just acting the part. No life in them!
In Matthew 15:12, the disciples tell Jesus that He offended them (The Pharisees). He called them hypocrites! And then in Matthew 15:13, Jesus gives instruction, and for this He uses a plant. He says, "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." Meek and mild Jesus, you got to love him!
If I go on and read through to Verse 20, it seems clear that He is speaking about the Scribes and Pharisees in Verse 13. When I get down to Verse 20 which says, "These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man," I see this as being sort of a "bookend" to Verse 2.
So every plant, (every person) who is not feeding off the life source (Christ) is considered a dead plant, and that plant will be rooted up and cast away.
Free from the law Galsatians 2:16 Romans 7:1-6
God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u in Christ.
Note: John 6:7 note the last part of that scripture says clearly "._._. is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. "
Regardless of amount of money, even clear understanding of money amounts for time, inflation, price gouging, sales, shortage etc. Historical understanding doesn't say what GOD's scripture does about the message He is saying to us.
1st John 6:6 "And this he said to prove him, for he himself knew what he would do."
It was Philip Jesus was talking to: John 6:5, & Phillip who answered: John 6:7, his answer was about financial calculation, earnings, lack, almost as if money was the only answer he had. Remember it was to prove him. When we see " impossibilities" where's our faith & solutions?
Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:29-39, Mark 6:30-44, Luke 9:12-17,
Note Matthew 15:32-33,
In each account Jesus had healed all the sick.
Hopefully this is helpful
Matthew 4:24, Matthew 8:8-13, Matthew 8:16, Matthew 12:15, Matthew 12:22, Matthew 15:20, Matthew 19:2, Matthew 21:14, Mark 3:10, Luke 4:40, Luke 5:15, Luke 6:18, Luke 6:19, Psalms 147:3,
John 16:23, Luke 11,
Hopefully these help, comfort, direct & encourage you as you seek GOD & HIS healing
Good information: truth shines from the word of God. As you said the leaders of Jerusalem should have known. I believe they did know, in Matthew 2:3-6, that Jerusalem (chief priests and scribes) was also troubled. They knew the time, but God did to them what He did to Pharoah, He blinded and hardened their hearts, John 12:40. To me this kind of ties into the things S Spencer has been sharing.
There are other scriptures they were probably aware of, like Jeremiah 50:6 and Ezekiel 34 where God told Ezekiel to prophesy against the shepherds, (the leaders) and what God would do, Ezekiel 34:10.
So, they were troubled to hear Jesus was born. They did not even send anyone to Bethlehem to see. You would think they would have been jumping for joy, but they did not want to give up the power, wealth, and Moses's seat they had. Jesus the true Shepherd John 10:11 first came only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24, fulfilling and confirming the covenant Hebrews 13:20. Jesus also told the scribes and the Pharisees their house is left to them desolate, and He will return Matthew 23:36-39.
Their duty as shepherds was over in that generation, 70 AD, and the sheep shall be gathered again, Isaiah 11:12 Ezekiel 37:21-22 Jeremiah 23:3 and more.
God bless,
RLW
Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
Luke 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
This is proof of the indwelling Holy Spirit and the anointing or the evidence of gifts of the Holy Spirit. I'm going to encourage women to exercise their faith.
We'll just have to be at peace with our different interpretations.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
also Matthew 15:11 "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
Deuteronomy 28:1-14, Exodus 23:25, Matthew 4:23,
Luke 9:55-56,
Jeremiah 32:27, Jeremiah 32:17, Luke 1:37,
Hopefully these are helpful
15:2 The elders - The chief doctors or, teachers among the Jews.
People's Bible Notes for Matthew 15:2
Why do thy disciples transgress? Not the law of Moses, but the TRADITION of the elders, which had as much authority with the Pharisees as the written law.
The tradition of the elders. Purported to be precepts never written in the Scriptures, but handed down from the times of Moses and the elders by oral means. These precepts were spoken of the "law upon the lip", and have been embodied in the Talmud. They were additions to the written word. See Galatians 1:14. For they wash not their hands. The orthodox Jews insisted on washing the hands before eating, not to remove the filth, but less they might have touched something ceremonially unclean. This commandment was purely traditional, but so rigidly did they insist upon observing it that the Rabbi Akiba, imprisoned by the Romans and with scarcely water to sustain life, preferred to use all provided for his ceremonial ablutions, and to die of thirst.
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Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.
He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27 Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.
God bless,
RLW
Absence of words do not set an agreement to a matter.
Where did HE say that? About washing? HE said Matthew 15:3, Matthew 15:7-11, Matthew 16:20,
These were leaders, teachers, transcribers of GOD's Laws, "the Holy Scriptures" in the Jewish religion. HE, Jesus "Jewish" Messiah, was pointing out to them the importance of the Laws they were supposed to know, transcribe & teach.
Matthew 15:7-9, HE, Jesus brings of prophetic Words from the very Books they were supposed to know. Then HE addresses the people. Matthew 15:10-12,13,14
Then Matthew 15:15-20 Jesus points out the true defilement Matthew 15:18,19,20,
Matthew 15:22-28, Romans 1:16-24,
interestingly we feel offended for her, yet she persisted, then was granted a miracle & an edification for her "great faith" .
Hopefully these are helpful.
John 12:1,12,13, John 13:1-2,
Matthew 27:15,
1st Sabbath being the Passover feast.
Exodus 12,
2nd Sabbath Matthew 28:1,
Psalms 81:3, also significant Mark 15:33, total solar Eclipse, New moon?
We should be careful not to follow after traditions set up by men, but Study to understand. Colossians 2:8, Matthew 15:3, Mark 7:9
Why would Jesus rebuke them over tradition? Because even today it causes doubt, & confusion amongst the church.
Hopefully these scriptures are helpful. GOD's WORD is truth.
Tradition is not 100% reliable.
Matthew 15:11
"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
God Bless
I'm only addressing the two of you by name (right now) because you are both correct (on most) of these issues & today Earl I think people do need to know & address; there are differences in eternity & grave. Today the world faces many issues & decisions that lead to the grave. (I have lost many loved ones, from decisions that led to destruction, ultimately the grave) examples smoking, addictions, drinking etc.) we today have sugar flooding our foods & obesity even in medical practice. The biggest discussion in society, religion & political is actually right in line with 'which destruction?' "death', immunization, etc. Luke 9:25, Mark 8:36, John 12:25, Matthew 16:26,
I would like eveyones input on= What do feel the LORD leading us to discuss about the differences? Where our focuses should be? How do we discuss people making bad health choices?
Please even address this Matthew 15:19, if you would.
I would like to grow some in understanding.
John 16:1-4, John 17:1-26, John 18:12-15,
Forgive our zeal for GOD's love for us. As adopted in, grafted in children. John 3:16,
Thanks for your response, always appreciate your thoughts, and viewpoints.
Yes, I agree, we are all like the thieves being crucified next to Jesus. We are all sinners, and Jesus was the pure sin free lamb sacrificed for us. Wow!!!!
John 1:29
"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
1 John 2:2
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 Peter 1:19
"But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"
I can find no words to express my gratitude to Jesus for HIS Sacrifice. I pray that his Holy Spirit will help to manifest in me what comes from my heart and mouth to help produce the good fruit that is so desirable.
Matthew 15:11
"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
God Bless
As you know, Jesus as the Word of God (the second Person of the Godhead), came in the flesh as the Son of God. He was always the verbal Expression from God, both in creation & to His people. Just as the prophets of old spoke God's Message (the Word) to the people, chiefly to instruct & warn them of present & future, those prophets ceased in that type of office, & now God's Word comes forth through His Son ( Hebrews 1:1,2: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds").
So, how does one introduce Kingdom Truths to a people devoid of such knowledge & without the Holy Spirit within them, so that they can understand? Parables (simple stories of the world & society they knew) were shared with the people so that they could get a glimpse of God's Purposes for them. Even Jesus' disciples often had to ask Jesus to interpret the parables to them, as they too were simple folk without spiritual Light ( Matthew 15:15,16: "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?"). But at Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given & Light entered them.
When Jesus shared the Word, He spoke to both the crowds & to individuals, but always in the context that they would understand. Others, such as the religious leaders used His talks as ammunition to rebuke Him. Yet, Truth always prevails & they were left wanting. Likewise, we too can use simple pertinent stories to people, especially specific to their questions & needs.