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Matthew 16.12

Beware of the doctrine of hypocrisy, it will corrupt.

It's not ok to agree to disagree .

Typo John 3 . 16 for context

Peter got it right , don't be a denier , Jesus Christ , try John 3 16 for context! God bless !!

Amen brother Richard. Amen.

These verses are for all of us!

Matthew 16:17

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"

"His name shall be called...The mighty God" Isaiah 9:6

"My Lord and my God" John 20:2

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest" Luke 1:32

"that Holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16

"And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" John 1:34

"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17

"God sent his only begotten Son into the world" 1 John 4:9

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matthew 16:16

"The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" 1 John 4:14

"And thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" Matthew 1:21

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20

"But when the fulness of the time was to come, God sent his Son" Galatians 4:4

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

"Behold, thou shall conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS" Luke 1:31

"Then said Mary to the Angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Luke 1:34

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

" Thou son of David, fear not to take Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 1:20

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14

"I am the bread of life....This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from Heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" John 6:48-51

In Matthew 16:13, Jesus asks the question, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? He's asking for public opinion because, in Verse 13, the disciples answered and said that some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

So the disciples gave the public opinion. You see, almost everyone has an opinion about who Jesus is. But Jesus asks another question in Matthew 16:15. He asks "But whom say ye that I am?"

The first question is public opinion. And then Jesus gets down to the "nitty-gritty." He gets down to the personal question. He says unto them, but who do you say that I am? That's the public opinion. Now, I want to know who you say that I am?

Notice Peter's confession in Verse 16: Simon Peter answered and said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

There are two parts to this confession. And this is very important. The first part says "Thou art the Christ," HO CHRISTOS, the Christ. Christ is the translation of the Greek word that is the same as the Hebrew word for Messiah, MASHIACH, and it means the anointing.

The Jews believed that when Messiah came, He would be the anointing of God in human form. And that's who He is. Peter says "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Here's something else that is very important. If you ever care to look up that phrase, "Son of the living God," not from a religious standpoint, but just look up the phrase itself from a Hebrew standpoint, you will find out that is the phrase that is used for God.

So when he said "The Son of the living God," that is a title of God to the Jews. So, what Peter was confessing was you are the Messiah, and you are God. Wow, what a Confession!

Thanks for sharing your evidence. I agree with all the scriptures and believe and trust in the Bible. I don't trust your interpretion of it, however, as to arrive at such a conclusion you first have to cherrypick a few verses and ignore many verses. Secondly, the few cherrypicked have to then be interpreted in an unconventional, distorted way.

So, it sounds like you don't believe Jesus is God, despite the scripture clearly saying that in these scriptures and elsewhere: John 10:30, John 1:1, 1 John 5:7-8. Jesus is the Word and the Word is God is 100% clear to even children readers.

The first piece of evidence you used to claim He's not God is Matthew 16:15-17 saying He's the Son of God. But these aren't mutually exclusive. It sounds like you're assuming Jesus somehow can't be both God and the son of God. That's not much different than someone claiming God the Father can't be God, because He's the Father. So, I think your interpretation of this being 'evidence' that Jesus isn't God is a false assumption.

2 Corinthians 5:19 - God in Christ. That too doesn't mean Christ isn't God's son or isn't God. That involves making yet another assumption.

John 20:17 - this is your strongest piece of evidence, but again, I believe you have to make another false assumption and ignore earlier in the same book where it clearly says the Word (Jesus) was God. How can you refute that verse so easily. The Bible says Jesus is God in many places, He had the power of God to perform miracles, He died for you, and you prefer to ignore the parts of John that say He's God in favor of the part that says His father is God to draw such a conclusion. Just because you have a hard time understanding the trinity doesn't mean one must rush to such a conclusion to disregard John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58, Titus 2:13, Matthew 1:23, etc.

One thing I do agree with you on is to not trust man's interpretation. That's why I don't trust your interpretation, but trust what the Bible says. God bless you.

Verily, I have received this truth by revelation of my Father in heaven. The same way Peter received it and proclaimed when Jesus asked him

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

- Matthew 16:15-17

Jesus is the Son of God.

Do you see?

He's not the pagan babylonian/roman "god the son"

2 Corinthians 5:19

King James Version

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The Holy Scriptures proclaim

God was in Christ.

Not God was Christ. Or Christ was God.

This is why Jesus told Mary after he was risen:

John 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

Jesus had a Father and a God and that God was in Him and in Heaven @ the same time.

When you say Jesus was fully God you exalt the flesh and create an idol for yourself.

All the pagan religions have a trinity: starting with the original mystery of iniquity in Babylon (nimrod semiramis and tammuz) to Hinduism, greek gods, roman gods etc.



Christian's only believe in one God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Holy Spirit.

The verses you referenced speak nothing of a "trinity" of Gods. 1 John 5:7 is speaking of God the Father who is in heaven.

And 1 John 5:8 is speaking of the blood covenant by baptism of water and Spirit on the earth.

John 8:31-32

Trust in the word and forsake the teachings of deceived men.

Be well, in Jesus' name

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ our Passover Lamb for ever and ever!

Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.

Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.

Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.

This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:16-17

And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.

Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.

P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?

John 17 is the prayer that Jesus Christ spoke shortly before His arrest and crucifixion around 2000 years ago. How do I know? Because in verse 17:1 it states, "These words spake Jesus and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son that thy Son also may glorify Thee." So Jesus, the core or central figure in Christianity is the one who is speaking in John 17 and while Jesus is his name in English we call Him Jesus Christ because the term "Christ" means "anointed" or "anointed one".

In Matthew 16:15-17 Jesus confirms He is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

If you were wondering more specifically about John 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth..." then Jesus Christ is still the answer for as it says in John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me:" So He was saying sanctify them through the truth (through Me) for I am the truth.

I hope this helps.

Verse 17,18,and19,was d authority given to Peter alone

Thank you, this is very helpful.

John Carrols question was answered by a Michael. He errs on this subject. Although abstaining from 'things' and indulging heartily in the scriptures is of great value to the individual, it is not a fast. When Jesus speaks of fasting, it refers solely to food of any kind. No where in scripture is there a different meaning. If you are going to read the Bible, refrain from trying to decode its words. That's a big problem today, thinking we can change scripture the way we want it to mean. I have fasted many times, and the spiritual benefits from doing so, is difficult to convey to others. If you want to fast, read what Jesus says to do, and just do it.

And, remember this, prayer is a big part of your fast. Again, words of Christ. May he bless and guide you as you hunger for more of his blessings.

God never leaves a searching soul in the dark .

But beware of false prophets for they are the many .

Read the Bible and seek the truth there . Seek and you will find . I have never been disappointed in many years .

The gospels are most direct for instructions , the epistles are good for clarification and expansion . Revelation is the future . OT is an example of Gods dealings with Obedience or disobedience for our learning that we may learn from others made examples by God .

Hades in Greek, or Sheol in Hebrew, is generally defined in these three ways:

a. the Grave. A place of bodily rest & decay. Acts 2:29-31.

b. a place of punishment for the wicked. Luke 16:20-23; Matthew 11:23.

c. a temporary place for the righteous dead. Luke 16:23-26. The Luke account seems to indicate that hades had two areas separating the righteous from the wicked in death. But after Jesus' death & resurrection, the righteous are no longer held there, being justified by faith, for which the Cross provided the means now which they didn't have before Christ's death.

Hades will always oppose Christ's Church ( Matthew 16:18); it must be distinguished from being just synonymous with death ( Revelation 6:8); it will one day be destroyed ( Revelation 20:13,14); Jesus has the 'keys' to it ( Revelation 1:18); & it is remains now only a temporary place of the unbelieving dead, as the Apostle Paul believed that Hades would not be his destiny, but Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:8).

Read Matthew 16:8-12. Leaven is false doctrine. A little bit of false doctrine can affect the truth.

I just wanted to share the Lord is being very faithful to his word and answering prayers as needed , even on the spot ! Always count him faithful and depend on his word through the faith he has given you ! Amen

Trust in The Lord and lean not upon your own understanding. Vain is the help of men , call upon him in the time of trouble and he will always deliver you ! Amen :)

You're spot on. It's in Matthew 16:1-3.

George works don't save you Grace through faith how you are saved believe on the Lord Jesus Christ not his mother.

I don't believe that the "works" in Matthew 16:27 is mentioned by Jesus in respect to salvation. He speaks of rewards according to what "every man has done". Also, Romans 2:6. The Matthew verse could speak of the righteous who receive reward for their deeds, or to the unrighteousness, who receive nothing because their deeds were evil, coming from the darkness of their hearts ( John 3:19,20).

And then in the New Testament economy, post Cross, where salvation is granted to the sinner because of God's Grace through our faith in Christ's Work ( Ephesians 2:8-10), we're reminded that no "works" can enter into this Divine arrangement as that would negate "grace". And 'works' was primarily the obedience & dependence on the given Law of God, which could only show man's failure before God & inability to justify himself. But 'works' would include those other things that those outside the purview of the Cross, could try to use to establish his favour with God.

And then we come to the Epistle of James, which the RCs use to justify their belief & position: James 2:14-18. They maintain that both 'faith & works' are necessary for salvation, rather "for further justification". This was the point that Martin Luther, at the Reformation, opposed the RC Church on: he maintained that the believer is fully saved & justified at the moment of salvation & it's not a progressive justification, to which the RC Church stated: that justification cannot be a once only immediate act of God, but that through the Christian's walk (i.e. in a life of producing works worthy of his salvation), the believer is increasingly justified by God. If this were so, then justification comes by faith & works.

Rather, James tells us that 'works' naturally follow a true salvation, without which it proves a defective salvation. James does not hint at all that there is an on-going work of justification by 'works', rather that justification is a declaration by God of the sinner as being no longer guilty before Him.

This is what the Catholic Church has been saying all along, works save. See also, Matthew 27, separation of the sheep from the goats.

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Yes. In Acts 8:6-40.

Phillip was sent by the Holy Spirit to the carriage of an Ethiopian Ambassador to explain the book of Isaiah, they journey on and he wishes to be baptized. Where is this passage. Is it in the book of Acts.?

matthew 27 is the fufillment of malachi1:11

As far as interpreting Scriptures, prayer is always a good idea first so you don't "miss it", "it" meaning the meat or manna that'll fatten up and edify your spiritual man. Also praying in The Spirit/stammering lips/speaking in tongues, ushers in The Holy Ghost so you can interpret The Word in a spiritual way instead of in a fleshly way. That is why (in my experience) The Gift of Tongues was the first as evidence that you had/have The Holy Ghost because as you speak in tongues, you can feel the Holy Ghost fall on you with such a sweet quickening, with a curious yearn for more of an intimate relationship with The Father, who can then bless you with more of The 9 spiritual gifts. The Gift of knowledge and wisdom (God will open up and give you a peak at the most mind blowing beautiful awe inspiring knowledge that pertains to what you or whomever The Lord wishes you to minister to, with the Wisdom of when to use it and/or to whom to share it with, so that they too may become blessed and a walking blessing) if it doesn't witness with you now, it may not be what you need as an answer right now. But debating Scriptures, will only bring strife/distance someone that may have been on the precipice of giving all to God but was turned off by a debating battering spirit. Yes we are to gather together & reason one to another, but as I read a few of these thread comments, its reading like a political "I'm right you're wrong" type page, we're speaking of the most sacred of sacred and are blessed enough to even get a glimpse of such artistry/strength/healing/beautiful poetry that IS ALIVE! That is exactly why you shouldn't minister to anyone who doesn't want to hear it. "don't cast your pearls among the swine", what are pearls? The Word, who are the swine? foolish scoffers. I was blessed with The Holy Ghost at 8 with a vision of red ribbons blowing out of my mouth into the wind as The Tongues burst out of my mouth, felt like I was going to die if I kept my mouth closed.

Only faith pleases God because it's spirit and life.

His word is pure.

Matthew 16:23

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men

Matthew 12:8

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:32

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the WORLD TO COME.

Matthew 16:13

When Jesus came...and asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Matthew 16:27

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works (saved/unsaved)

Matthew 16:28

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Revelation 1:13

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 14:14

And I looked, and behold a white CLOUD, and upon the CLOUD one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Comment: Jesus is the Son of God. After he was born to Mary and Joseph, by the Power of the Holy Spirit; Jesus was then known as the Son of Man (as in Mankind).

He said it himself.

He is ALL son of God, and ALL son of man (human)

If you skip down to the last 2 verses, Jesus was seen by the Apostle John in a vision: as the Victorious Son of man about to put in His sickle and Reap the Harvest of souls.

One of his Names is Lord of the Harvest.

He's coming soon too. I mean no offense, but now is not a time to procrastinate and split scripture hairs over theologies of man, different Bibles, ancient UN-CANONIZED scripture.

Human history is about to wrap up. Write this book of scripture inside your Bible cover: 2 Peter Chapter 3. Have it handy.

The earth is already beginning to burn. It's not Global Warming; it's Almighty God!! He will PERFORM his Word.

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Hi Josef. Thank you for your comments. What I will write now may be a little difficult for you to appreciate but it is necessary for your guidance, I feel.

When a Muslim thinks of a Church, he generally sees a building that is visible & usually it's a large ornate building with a steeple, cross & stained glass windows. But there are other smaller Church buildings, or none at all, that are not seen. Before discussing the Roman Catholic Church, the Bible speaks of the Church as essentially being Christ's Body & not a building made of stones or bricks. This means the Church (Greek: ekklesia) is a gathering, or body of Christians - it is not a building. Jesus said in Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". Jesus was telling Peter that "upon this rock" (i.e. upon Peter's great confession in verse 16), Christ would build His Church (not a building, but a body of believers coming from many lands & out of many religions).

I gather that you are in proximity to a Roman Catholic Church (RC) as you wrote about the music & chanting. Some things can be appealing but if you're drawn to RCs, then you should be aware that much of what they believe & do is not according to the Bible. Much could be said here, but to itemize those errors briefly: their prayer to idols & to saints, worship to Mary, burning or waving incense (as prayers offered to God), the Eucharist that turns into the Body & Blood of Christ, one is not baptized into Christ but into the Church (i.e. belonging to an RC Church is what gives you salvation along with faith in Jesus), faith alone cannot save you - good works are needed also, the Apocryphal books are used giving rise to strange teaching, baptism given to a child is true & valid, & for all, sprinkling, not immersion in water, is practised, the Pope is infallible & is Christ's representative on Earth, - go to page 2.