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Again I say - If they aint preaching the truth and compromising it - I don't need their edification, or to fellowship with the mislead - And it is certain they will not want to hear what I have to say to them!

I don't judge anybody - But clearly and simply - If they aint doing what Jesus says and teachers - They have another master ( I wonder who that could be??!!)

All good Mate - I hear you loud and clear

Do more research Mate!!

I had a similar situation sorta kinda. All the money my mother had after my Dads death from the sale of a home and business was siphoned off by other drug addict siblings.

She finally called me to come get her and take her to my house. She lived with me till she died.

It was the Christians who came calling to get anything they thought was hers. It wasn't. Just to shame them, I let them have everything they asked for. And then it was over. Then God really did a huge work within me on forgiveness. It lasted a couple of years.

Now, my soul is truly free and clean before my Lord and Savior. The peace of letting go of what others covet is beyond description.

That's all that matters, in the end: How is our relationship between us and Jesus?

I never knew I'd be asked to not only give my shirt, but give away my coat too.

It's better to live your life for heaven right now; rather than after death. Whatever God asks, just give it. He replaces wood, hay and stubble with wisdom. I am reconciled to my family and all is well with my soul.....is all I can comment.

I want my kids to remember what it looks like to be a Christian.

Who Were the Nicolaitans, And What Was Their Doctrine and Deeds?

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6

Have you ever wondered who the "Nicolaitans" were, mentioned in the book of Revelation? Whoever they were, Jesus loathed their doctrine and hated their deeds. Let's delve into this subject today to see if we can ascertain the identity of this group. What was their damnable doctrine? What deeds were they committing that elicited such a strong reaction from Jesus?

Let's begin in Revelation 2:6, where Jesus told the church of Ephesus, "But this thou hast [in your favor], that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

Jesus was proud of the church of Ephesus for their "hatred" of the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which He also "hated."

The word "hate" is a strong word, so let's see exactly what it means. It comes from the Greek word miseo, which means to hate, to abhor, or to find utterly repulsive. It describes a person who has a deep-seated animosity, who is antagonistic to something he finds to be completely objectionable. He not only loathes that object, but rejects it entirely. This is not just a case of dislike; it is a case of actual hatred.

The thing Jesus hated about them was their "deeds." The word "deeds" is the Greek word erga, which means works. However, this word is so all-encompassing that it pictures all the deeds and behavior of the Nicolaitans; including their actions, beliefs, conduct, and everything else connected to them.

Search the TITLE of this article on Renner dot org to read the whole thing. Mishael

Many people are confused about speaking a 'Testimony'

you must be born again ...you must be taught the Word by true pastors

Christ do not dwell in temples made by man hands...

Woe to the Pastors who destroy and scatter my flock.

The Testimony we are to speak is the Word of God.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,

11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I agree with your words Mike. I have a very good friend that's a pastor of a pretty good size church but I don't any longer go there as I told him because of the people there. My are Democrats and very left which is something I can't deal with it fellowship with and personally I don't see how it's possible to love Jesus and love that party of people and what they stand for it just doesn't make a bit of since to me at all. I'm much more Blessed now than ever in my life done I finally stopped going to a do called Church. Actually I feel as if I'm a church myself. I can say Apsolutely for sure my life the way I'm Blessed is much better now than ever and so is my walk with the Lord. I do believe way to many people misinterpret scripture in order to make it work for there thoughts and we all know God's ways aren't ours. If going to a church building helps someone else I good for them but as for me it doesn't. I've noticed a lot of things my pastor friend and I talk about will end up in one of his messages but even he won't admit the things I've said are brought up into his spirit in the messages here gives and that's called pride. People say many things but mostly don't abide in there in words. For instance they know in a Christian man but won't allow me to bring a message to there people in there church building yet they say they trust the Lord. How's that possible? You trust the Lord but don't trust him enough to allow one of his children to tell others what he's given to your own Spirit to share with others? Sounds kind of Ridiculous doesn't it? I have a family that say they are Christian People almost all of them go to a church bandages

Grandfather on my mother's side was a Baptist minister and all but one Uncle on my Dad's side is they only one that goes to church every Sunday wed etc treats me with respect the rest have treated me horribly. I took care of my mother for over 20 years by my self and maybe saw this family at her home which I moved to twice including.

You've made some good comments. Maybe Church was easier in Acts 1. It's just that Jesus said, "upon this rock I Will Build My Church." It's His Church.

We don't get to legislate how that happens.

I do know that the Rewards will be sorted out at The Bema Seat Judgment of Jesus Christ. Rewards or Lack of Rewards. Acts of all Christians will pass through Fire.

Anything less than silver or gold will be burned up (wood, hay, stubble). Jesus is the only Judge of His Church.

We are told not to judge. With righteousness judgment only. We can depart from a Church we truly feel is out of order, and attend another. Personally for me, I would switch the channel on the tv or listen to Christian Radio. I listen to sermons on Youtube, too.

We are in control on what we feed our own spirits. You can eat a lot of cotton candy or you can find yourself some heavenly meat!

I love and miss Billy Graham and often listen to His meetings. We will be judged on the food we put in our spirits.

I'm not perfect enough to judge anybody. It's my default setting to move along and leave it To Jesus's judgement. We are told Not To Forsake Assembling Together.

In my experience, the Lord has moved me from one feed bucket to another, at times.

Terrible things happened in that Church and I had to go through that with them; love others and sooth some of the trauma. The Lord will stand by His Sheep in any case, is my experience. They survived the loss of their Pastor. I already had planned to go home and care for my Dad who had Alzheimer's, so my Mom could run their business.

We can go through these things rigidly, or we can allow the Lord to do His Work in our lives. It's a choice we have to make with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Be at peace with Jesus in all things. Move along when HE leads you.

Mishael

I don't know what kind of church you go to but my church does none of those things. I thing it is best if you find either a church online or another church.

It is better if you go to a church to better edify not only you but others. we can see in Acts 15:1-7 that a Church is suppose to edify others.

why shouldnt a woman preach. maybe you are refrencing to 1 corinthians 34. that was because they were under the law. the law was that women could not speak. At that time there was a lot of tension between state and church. We are not under the law anymore so we do not need to follow that command anymore. The Bible fights for faitness and not sexism between the two sexes.

Definitely I agree, that we see a lot of what the Lord does not want in churches. They have forgotten what scriptures say about certain things. Now in days they want to hear what itching ears want to hear, and allow certain things to be portrayed that the Bible calls wrong. I have recently had experiences with three churches, one of them thought it was ok to allow certain preaching because they were trying to make wordly thing fit in to be comfortable. I spoke to the preacher and he recognized that certain things were wrong. But, there was no change. In another Church the preacher had a miss conception about grace. For we know that grace of God lead us to repentance. He repented and recognized something...and his way of teaching switch. Have faith we see what was written. And we need to do our part and be ready for His return.

Sorry about some of the wording in my last comment. I can't find any way to go back and fix them but I'm sure you will get my points

Thanks for your feedback and may Jesus Christ Bless you. I'm no longer a church goer either plus Jesus never said anything about going to church not specifically anyway he just said to fellowship and I can do that anywhere I want to. He also never told anyone to give to any church but he did talk about the store houses they did have back in his days here. Feed those with 10% of what you've got. This other man that commented on my post is correct about the churches and they're people. Talk about being judgmental they're wicked. I believe in loving others and speaking the truth in love not anger as so many do that think they're perfect souls. Many have told me God's in control and he's in charge. I don't know what God they have but its not the one I serve that's for sure. I wish God was in Control and in charge they're wouldn't be a got heaven then would they're? If he was in control and I'm charge we'd never commit a sin but he gave us all free will to make those decisions for ourselves didn't he? I know he's never in charge of my sins and I'm sorry every single time I break his Heart. I'll tell you who the real Christian's are it's those with a real relationship with Jesus Christ the sinners like myself that have a conscious in there soul because the spirit of Jesus Lives their and he loves those that don't make excuses or yet to any as if there better than anyone else. Those preachers an pastor's those so called Drs in those pulpit's that won't allow a man like myself to come speak in there so called houses of worship they've got a huge problem with the Father i serve and that I know without doubt or Question. The world's going down hill because of it. TRUTH and FACTS aren't spoken in pulpit's anymore because it just hurt those cans you pass around and we can't have that can we? I'd love to have 5 or 10 or even more pastor's at around table Televised to answer some questions with me. Any takers? This is about TRUTH and FACTS and the words of Almighty God not me.

I agree regarding "The Church" buzz - The more I learn I see thousands, if not millions being lead down the garden path (The wrong one) I have been in the Way now for 42 years & do not attend Church anymore with their women preachers, immoral dress codes, in which so called Christian women reveal themselves (they are a joke - surrendering to a Jezebel sprit)

The pandering to transgender & homosexual roles in the pulpit and leadership. the amalgamation of masonic symbols and practices in their Rock concert type SO CALLED praise & worship. "Rock music" (Rock n Roll) abbreviated, refers to the 50s & what happened in cars when a sexual act was in progress Rockin and Rolling" and those inside also.

AHH! but brother "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves - is the bullet fired! But these words burn in my spirit

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,2 Cor The world is littered with FALSE PROFETS, and money grabbing ministries, that condemn you for not tithing - enabling playboy type life styles of these- so call Pastors, teachers & Prophets!

Anyone that is spreading the WORD - Like Paul - Should have a job, & not "Fleecing the Flock"

Somewhere between Gino Jennings (Fire and brimstone Yell & Tell ) at the top end of the scale & Kenneth Copeland & all the other blab & grab ministers of darkness at the bottom end of the scale - Lies the truth!

Oh dear Yahweh - Here my prayer- Reveal the truth of Jesus to me, and all others who are weak, heavy laden & desire in our hearts to please you only.

The topic in discussion -"Where 2or3 three are gathered - I am in the mist - really needs no theorizing! v19 IF 2 OF YOU SHALL AGREE on earth as touching anything that they shall ask - I believe is Jesus BACKING a prayer of agreement between 2 or more

Bless u Sir and all who read this

This doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't hear our prayers when we pray alone or with two or three people etc. He does. But it means that this particular verse is not talking about Jesus' presence in prayer, it's talking about His presence in church discipline.

Where two means Husband and Wife and three means child or children. So when a family gather for family prayer in the name of Jesus , He is there in the midst of them. In a christian life family prayer is very important like God Trinity which put the family together always. Iff Jesus comes in the midst of us, then Father and Holy spirit also be with us and also angels will join them surely. Our home will become a small Heaven.

This verse certainly include those who sexually abuse children.

Acts 1:11

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

John 3:13

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Revelation 11:12

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Matthew 18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 24:30

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luke 11:2

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Matthew 16:19

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mark 13:25

And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

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These scriptures are enough to show you that heaven is above earth; in the north.

It would be helpful to google: "Third Heaven Bible" and see a teaching from a pastor.

People have actually tried to paint pictures of what they think the 3 heavens look like. Click on images. What you see, DO NOT believe literally, ok?

There are more. 3rd heaven scriptures. USE the sea arch Box to find them.

Mishael

I think the scriptures discussed here are probably Hebrews 6:4-6, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Hebrews 10:26, Matthew 5:13 suggesting that in some cases Christians can't return to the faith once they leave and denounce it. Maybe some of this could be referring to blasphemy of the holy ghost? Matthew 12:31-32.

But James 5:20 suggests that you can return to the faith, as well as the prodigal son story. The forgiving 7x70 story sounds like a huge amount of forgiveness is allotted to us, as long as we forgive others: Matthew 18:35.

What do you think?

Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if TWO OF YOU shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Hebrews 11:1 Now FAITH is the substance of things. (healing; jobs;food;rent, businesses, loneliness, blessing on home & family members; drug & alcohol deliverance, & more)

HOPED FOR, the evidence of things not seen.

Now the just shall live by FAITH, but if any man/ woman draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Let us hold fast the profession of our FAITH without wavering (for He is faithful that promised).

Let us draw near with a true heart, In full assurance of FAITH.

But without FAITH it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God, must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarded of them that diligently seek Him.

And the prayer of FAITH shall save the SICK. and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Father God, these people have come here today to ask for prayer as touching their needs. They are here to ask for your help. They have read your Word on how Faith works. Being fully convinced that You are here too, they have set their concerns before You.

I pray that You will reward them for Seeking You, in child-like Faith; and answer their prayers according to your riches in glory. They are here for healing in body and mind; in anxiety over the pandemic, employment and lack of employment. Family concerns and need of peace in their homes. Lead them with your eye and show them the path to take for a desired result. Be at work inside of their own wills to Follow Jesus and look to the Bible for guidance, day to day. Help them to see through eyes full of faith through the Light of your eyes. Give our hearts strength to get from one day to the next, by Your abundant Grace and Mercy.

We bless Your Holy Name and give you Thanks for provision and the Love of Jesus.

Amen! Praise the Lord!!!

The best reason to worship on Sunday is to celebrate Jesus rising from the dead on the first day of the week ( Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20).

It is not a requirement to honor a particular time of worship because Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." ( Matthew 18:20).

Colossians 2:16-17, indeed the whole chapter, show us that these things pertaining to what is lawful are but a shadow of things to come, Jesus Christ being preeminent.

Galatians 5 declares our liberty in Christ, for if we are justified by law we are fallen from grace. Ironically, the Pharisees worked so hard to maintain the Sabbath that it became oppressive. Many still work to establish their own righteousness, not submitting to the righteousness of God (only found in Christ Jesus) Romans 10.

Hebrews 4 is an excellent lesson on rest for today.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

I feel sorry for so many people. God's words are alive. If his book the Bible had legs it would walk. As I read the different things that people say to interpret God's words for the most part there all Wrong. Where to or three are gathered together in my name there i an in the midst of them. The Holy Spirit guides me into it's meaning for me not for anyone else but me. Same goes for anyone else that reads his words San all for guidance. Myself and Jesus are two by itself. When I'm in prayer when God i do it through Jesus guided by the spirit of Jesus that's already inside of me. Jesus is with me when I'm before God. Many do not understand this because only those of us that have a really true relationship with Jesus can understand these things. So many go to church thinking this does it relationship wise but it does nothing at all nothing. People understand the word relationship but don't understand it when it comes to there salvation. It's not about being perfect I'm not in not even close it's about a true honest relationship when him. I don't even go to any church Anymore. I'll backslide if I do and I know it. I'd like to go preach but no one will have me I've tried before many times. People are afraid of the TRUTH and FACTS. Common Sense is the best way I know to describe God's words when reading them. Lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil and the Holy Spirit along with God's words did that for me. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide no one else no networks no preachers no friends him and his only it you won't get your deliverance ever. If I had time to share my testimony here you'd call me a Liar. No one lives like I do has what I have and does what I do no one Period. I race one of the most expensive cars on the planet and do it with hardly nothing. How? It's called being Blessed and that's a totally different story of how God works through Jesus and his Holy Spirit. It's Holy a reason. I will come speak anywhere I'm invited. Just get me there @bac

I am not sure of the one you said who claimed to be a prophet is indeed a prophet, that I don't know nor do I dare to say anything on what I don't know for you should not go against the Lord's anointed and nor should we speak any idle words, for that is what God is going to judge of for according to Matthew 12:36.

HOWEVER, that being said, the person is not wrong at all as one can lose their salvation. I am sorry for those who have lied to you saying otherwise by picking and choosing (usually from brother Paul-it's as if they follow him rather than Jesus), but in taking in what Jesus says and the Bible as a whole, you certainly can. I would recommend in reading all of (1-3) John ( 1 John 3:8-9, 1 John 1:6, ! John 3:6 specifically), Hebrews (Hebrew 10:26 specifically), and the Book of James regarding the point, but we can look at one simple parable from Jesus at the end of Matthew 18 ( Matthew 18:23-35 specifically) completely dismantling the false and utter lie from the devil OSAS doctrine. For we see a man who have sinned, was cleansed, forgiven, and saved and, then after this he sins again and is taken by the tormentors (hell). We also got Romans 11:22 (The same Paul these Calvinistic OSAS guys like to quote from), "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be [cut off.]" Couldn't be clearer.

These people, are liars from the flesh, not getting their the truth from the Bible or the Holy Spirit but from either their flesh or men of the flesh learning from other men of the flesh. God Bless you, brother. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead and Guide you, there are liars in many places, including here as you can see above (excluding Mishael). Blessings! ;)

These verses should warn us about who we have in our lives,in our hyper social society people feel the need to be always around people and they shun solitude or standing alone.The bible teaches the opposite.

Thanks for the reply!

You are on the right track. Jesus often used earthly examples to illustrate heavenly truth in a form that our minds can more easily grasp. The lord in the story was a man that employed the servant that owed more than he could ever pay. This pictures that each one of us owes God a debt we can never pay, but he has compassion and forgives us freely in Jesus Christ. The wicked servant proved he was insincere and ungrateful about his own deliverance from bondage when he went out and accosted his fellow servant. If we really appreciate the forgiveness Jesus obtained for us when he died on the cross and was raised from the dead, we should be willing to forgive our brothers and sisters that request it from us. If we refuse to forgive as God has forgiven us, we may be proving that we are pretenders to salvation or disobedient, tormented prisoners of our own bitterness.

Louis DeRose: you're looking for Matthew 18:20.

When you come into this website, you can use the search box to pull up verses. I used it just now

Greetings Louis - Jesus said that almost 2,000 years ago about where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Most Bible scholars say Jesus died around 32-33 AD.