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My opinion in this, about the green and dry tree is this; in Matthew 19:3-12, some Pharisees approached him to test him, they asked; is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on any grounds. Verse 4, haven’t you read, he replied that he who created them in the beginning, made them male and female. Verse 5, he also said: for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. Verse 6, so they are no longer two but one flesh, therefore what God has joined together man must not separate. Verse 7, why then, they ask him did Moses command us to give divorce papers, and to send her away. Verse 8, he told them, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of the hardness of your hearts, but it was not like that from the beginning: Verse 9, and I tell you, whoever divorces his wife, except, for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery. Verse 10, his disciples said to him, if the relationship of a man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry. Verse 11, but he told them, not everyone can accept this saying? But only those it has been given to. Verse 12, for there are eunuchs, who were born that way from their mothers’ womb, there are eunuchs who were made by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves that way because of the kingdom of heaven, let anyone accept this who can. In Luke 23-27-29, the women were following Jesus as he was going to the cross they were mourning and lamenting him but turning to them, Jesus said daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and your children. Verse 29, look, the days are coming when they say, blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed; Isaiah said in 54:1-rejoice oh barren one, you who have not been in labor, for the children of the forsaken one will be more than the children of the married woman, says the Lord. Geneses 3:16, he said to the woman: I will intensify your labor pains: you will bear children: in Isaiah 56:3, no foreigner who has converted to the Lord should say, the Lord will exclude me from his people, and the eunuch should not say look, I am a dried up tree. Look on verses 4, I will give them, in my house and within my walls, a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters, I will give them a forever lasting name, this my thought on Luke 23:31. Jesus is talking about a woman, or man that can’t produce of their seed, if a women has children, she is fruitful green tree if not she could be a dry tree; or a eunuch can’t produce some eunuchs. When some men decide not to marry could be considered? God bless you women and men that can bear this.

I know this principle well, by experience. One person’s "riches" are not the same as another’s. MY "riches" was $4000. This savings took me right back to homelessness and hopeless. A learning experience I’ve repented from.

I am glad to have come across this explanation. I awoke this morning with this verse in my mind. For a long time, on and off, it has been one of the things in the Bible that I couldn't quite grasp. It sounded to me like God wanted children to suffer. Also I believe this is one of the interpretations fanatic Atheists, or anti theists, use. It’s not the children God wants to suffer, but it’s also not great suffering for our attention to perhaps prayer, or quiet, to broken by the noise of children. For how we treat the children, we also are treating our Lord Jesus. My thanks for providing these notes. Also verse 14 is brought into better understanding for me when I first contemplate verse 13. The disciples, who were still learning the path of Jesus and enlightenment, were the ones who rebuked the children. It was Jesus who said to bring them to Him. My thanks to you for providing this website. Your brother in Christ, Peter G Kimble.

Jesus mercy and compassion are still here for us as well. His final words to this women are simple, "Go and sin no more", go back to your first husband and no others, and don't sin again. She was caught in the act of Adultery with other men than her husband. If two people marry, that have Never been married before, they have become one in the sight of God, right, One flesh. Now, if that couple divorced, they both, "set themselves up to commit adultery", when they re-marry another or have a relationship outside (Their Marriage Bond....) They are Bound by God until one of them dies. What God hath joined together, let No Man put asunder. The sin was not the marriage to the first husband, so what is to be forgiven? God forgives me so I can marry again? Are we going to live our lives as the woman at the well, in sin? God forbid!! Fornication is the only true out for remarriage. Let's say I marry a woman who has a living husband, even though they are divorced, she is not, nor will ever be my wife according to God and Jesus. In this case I would be committing Fornication with her, she would be committing Adultery with me. "She has a living husband" and I don't have a living wife. Matthew 19:3-9 Self explanation...

Is Judas Iscariot one of the twelve to sit on the thrones of the 12 tribes of Israel, Mathew 19:28? What about Mathew 26:24, is there an understanding to this perceived conflict in verses? Thank you.

@Omae Francis,
About the subject of divorce, I do not believe in divorce, but you need to read 1 Corinthians 7 before you determine that adultery is the only grounds given for biblical divorce. To Matthew regarding forgiveness and judgment, we all would like to have opportunity to take back hurts, mistakes, pain, suffering we have caused others, but god has provided ways to either rectify matters with others ( Matthew 5:23,24; 1 Corinthians 6) or take advantage of I John 1:9. If you are saved than you need to forgive others and ask God to forgive you for the trespasses you have caused others and your trespasses against God. Keep your trespass list very short. Matthew 18:18. The judgment seat of Christ is for saved people and will only be accountable for your life after you received Christ as saviour until death or rapture II Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10. Though we may suffer consequences in the flesh from our previous sins, but spiritually God does not remember our life before salvation. Unsaved will come before the white throne judgment for their rejection of Jesus as saviour and be sentenced to eternal damnation. The unbelievers have much bigger problems.

@Christopher,
On verse 29- I cannot teach dispensational truth in this little space, but the book of Matthew is in New Testament, but not necessarily for church age doctrine. Read the epistles of Paul; Romans to Philemon for church age doctrine. Eternal salvation is for all who will receive Jesus Christ into their heart as savior ( Romans 10:9-13). The statement in verse 29 is directed at the disciples (Jews) for a future dispensation (millennial reign of Christ).

Is eternal life promised to the children as well, or only to the parents that gave them birth?

Matthew19 Therefore whom the Lord hath joined together, let not man put asunder. God is the creator of marriage, and a three fold cord is not soon broken. Jesus, a man, and his wife. When problems arise, always consult the creator, and He will give you the strength to carry on. How can two walk together except they be agreed. Agree that marriage is a covenant relationship that shall be separated by death. Jesus as the head of the man, and the man as the head of the woman. God hates divorce, and we should hate everything that God hates. The two shall no longer be twain, but one flesh. It takes a life time of marriage to do that. So be kind one to another, tender as well as forgiving, as God for Christ's sakes has forgiven you. Don't let the sun go down on your anger, and always work out any problems before you go to bed. Be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath. Let the Lord be your guide in the relationship. Remember we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not of works less any man should boast.

Matthew, let me share something with you. We've all made mistakes in life and we all experience some level of guilt and fear of judgment. But let me tell you that Jesus Christ shed his blood on the cross to pay for all your sins. We can never have joy and fulfillment in life just by having good morals and following rules, because we still fall short of God's perfect standard ( Romans 3:23). The peace that we all seek is found in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary ( Romans 5:8). Place your faith fully in Him to forgive you of your past, present, and future sins. Salvation from Hell can only be found when we come to the realization that we are hopeless and helpless apart from God's saving grace. Call on him for Salvation as Romans 10:13 admonishes - "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Then you can have freedom from sin and condemnation as Romans 8:1 tells us - "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus". If you have any questions about these comments, please ask. I want everyone to know the peace that Christ brings. "Matthew's Matthew Chapter 19 comment on 6/29/2012, 1:26am... I will admit I am afraid of judgment because I've made mistakes in my life. I can't remember everything but I wish I could take back many of the hurtful things I've said. I have accepted God into my life but my family does not know I have. I have good morals and follow rules and I do not want to go to Hell but I am still afraid..."

@Dales,
The principle is that ‘’the gifts and calling of God are without repentance’’ Romans 11:29. Therefore it is our duty to strive to meet the marks, because God’s calling is abiding.
So when God calls somebody or gives duty to that one, God never dismiss that one before the person disqualifies by him/herself, like it happened with Saul in 1 Samuel 15:11. Yet if the person comes back to God, God will receive him/her, which unfortunately never happened with Saul.
Now coming to commandments, there have been situations when God rescued the people that were gone astray, in tolerating some practices, just to give them opportunity to upgrade. Like Jesus Christ said: ‘’Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so’’. Matthew 19:8. God through Moses has tolerated divorcement, because of people’s unbelief.
God bless you.

as an adventists,we ought to live by the oaths we take during our marrige,to let nothing put the couple assunder,eccet divoce in case of sexual immorality

What does the word perfect mean in scripture? But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it--he will be blessed in what he does.( James 1:25). Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." ( Matthew 19:21) Does the perfect here means something different than the perfect used in 1st Corinthians 13:10? What is the perfect law of liberty? What was Jesus referencing when he told the rich young ruler if thou would be perfect go sell all that you have and come follow me. Could perfect mean complete? I'm just saying! Sometimes we make things more difficult than they should be! My feeling or my opinion is fruitless when it comes to the word of God. Solomon said in Proverbs 16:25 "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." In Matthew 7:24 Jesus said these words "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock." The Hebrew writer said in Hebrews 5:8-9 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

Hear ( Mt 7:24), believe ( Jn 8:24) repent ( Lk 13:3,5) confess ( Acts 8:37) and be baptized for the remission of your sins, ( Acts 2:38, 8:12, acts 22:16)

I will admit I am afraid of judgement because I've made mistakes in my life. I can't remember everything but I wish I could take back many of the hurtful things I've said. I have accepted God into my life but my family does not know I have. I have good morals and follow rules and I do not want to go to Hell but I am still afraid...

I believe our lord was tellling us that even if we could live a perfect life in mans eyes. We will not make it to heaven unless we give him our all. Confess our sins, become born again by the washing of his blood upon our souls. I am sorry to say that I believe that there will be multitudes of people on that day that went to church, was moraly good people, and our father will say: Depart from me, I know ye not.

Jesus was explaing to his deciples that he who is thought of as all of that on this earth because they have wealth, fame, or power and do not put him first in there lives, shall be considered nothing or last in the kingdon of heaven.

It is not God's intent to make his followers wealthy. The prosperity doctrine is not found in the Bible. See Matthew 19:24 - it's very difficult for a rich man to even get to heaven. Wealth cannot become your God and it's extremely tempting to let it, that's why Jesus said that. People continually try to justify their love for riches, but the Bible is clear that money can easily distract you in your pursuit for heavenly things, not earthly wealth, power, and possessions that become irrelevant when you die.

i was wondering which disciple will be takin the seat on the 12 th throne, as judas betrayed jesus (was it so that he was part of God's plan in coming to pass the the events that led up to eventual fulfilment of scriptures (crucifixtion) or was judas condemned to eternal damnation

Adding to my earlier comment; John 8:41 tells us the definition of Fornication.
They said to Jesus, "We be not born of fornication", They were telling Jesus their parents were properly married and did not have a relationship before marrige. Joseph and Mary were not married, when the Holy Ghost came to Mary and she conceived. Matt chapter 1:18-20. Read the story now and see how much more you understand about fornication and adultery. Walk in the light as it shown upon your path.

This chapter tells us how we "should" live as True Christians.
The Pharisees where tempting Jesus by asking his belief of what Moses gave them in v3.
Jesus told them they where to be Male and Female as husband and wife v4.
This man "Shall" leave mom and dad, and Cleave to his wife. This is after marrige, if it were before marrige this would be "Fornication" not Adultery. They have NEVER be married before...
They become 1 flesh v5.
Moses gave the writing of divorcement, because of the Hardness of their hearts in v8.
"Fornication is when a man and a woman have a relationship outside of marrige, neither person has ever been married before",
Thus v9 makes perfect sense. If I, having never been married, marry a woman that has been married before, she is committing Adultery and I am committing Fornication. v9
If I then divorce her, I free myself from Fornication and am elgible to marry an elgible wife only.

yes jesus is a family man we are his children who dou think created family and about the comment about a partner who gets bipolar or anything marriage vows say's for better or worse not because I could'nt do better or she could do worse

Absolutely wonderful. We are here to get back there. I can hardly wait. All but dung... in a big way. Just to see Him face to face. The will and only the will of God is perfect and good for all. Any witness?

People like Noah who was righteous in the beining (first) and if Paul was consired one of the last, they were saved

Matt:9 vs 25-26; is very expressive by itself: it is impossible to enter the kingdom of God without God spearheading the course of our lives; especially for the rich that put their trust in riches. There have been a lot of interpretations to verse 25; pampering Jesus' words on 'the eye of a needle' but no matter how much we pamper it, the truth in the word of our Lord speaks for itself. Only God can all things possible. For without him, we can do nothing

so we need to sell everything we own to get into heaven thats nt very realistic in this day and age

"Whom God hath joined together let no man put asunder"

WHAT does that mean??? I don't think it has anything to do with a nice church wedding and everything. From the beginning! Adam and Eve !!!!! People are misguided in seeking happiness in personal relationships: Jesus is not a family man! Seeking salvation is all-consuming. Takes a lifetime. Everything else, spouse, kids, career, mortgage, car, hairdos, holidays, everything, all red herrings all thorns and brambles on the path to salvation. Get rid of your camel and walk through the pilgrim's gate: it's your only hope!

i love this one,, it is awesome..
god bless!!!
and have a great day :)

In today's advanced medical world, if a husband or wife is severely mentally incapacitated (Bipolar/Schizophrenia) and regularly fights with spouse causing a divorse, could the sane person re-marry for the sake of sanity and happiness?

Lou - The Old Testament is there for more than remembrance, it is still in effect. We are still expected to obey and follow the Old Testament Laws, statutes, and Feasts - even under grace. This is stated throughout the New Testament, it's how you show your faith and love - by being obedient.
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
There are many, many others as well, but you get the idea. In fact, a real clear example is the book of Revelation.
Revelation 12:17 ... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12... Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14... Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
The devil (dragon) wages war during the Tribulation Period with those that keep the commandments AND have faith in Christ. The saints are those that keep the commandments AND have faith in Christ. True belief requires BOTH.
I'm hope this helps, and clears up some of the misconceptions about the laws being done away with.

I believe Jesus is teaching that God rewards believers according to His grace and mercy not accoding to their lobor or sacrifices