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Just to add to this subject. As I also see the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven to be one and the same. Knowing also the details Jesse stated. As I was reading I just came across Jesus Christ using both terms coinciding. Matthew 19:23-24.

God Bless.

Delbert, there are of course many verses that mention a heterosexual marriage, whether directly or indirectly. But here are a few:

Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5,6; Ephesians 5:22-26 & 31; 1 Peter 3:7.

Lyndi,

That is interesting. Do you know why Matthew used the phrase kingdom of heaven, but Mark and Luke use kingdom of God? I was taught that both kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are the same. But since Matthew wrote his gospel to the Jews, and the Jews would not say the name God (They say, Hashem, which means "The Name)," that is why Matthew says kingdom of heaven, and not kingdom of God. But Mark and Luke say kingdom of God because both their gospels were written to the Gentiles. Very interesting!

If I may ask, what is the difference between heaven and the kingdom of God?

The Kingdom of God is NOT referring to Heaven. It is referring to God's purpose for our life. Know the difference between Heaven and the Kingdom of God.

"Thou shalt not kill", ( Exodus 20;13). which includes yourself. How can you ask for forgiveness if you're dead? The scriptures say, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" ( 1 Corinthians 6:9, King James Version).

So, when he said "nor abusers of themselves with mankind", I would think that means those (humans) who hurt themselves, will not go to heaven.

However, the Lord says " So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand" ( Isaiah 41:10).

When you read God's words He is always speaking to you.

In Matthew 16:13, Jesus asks the question, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? He's asking for public opinion because, in Verse 13, the disciples answered and said that some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

So the disciples gave the public opinion. You see, almost everyone has an opinion about who Jesus is. But Jesus asks another question in Matthew 16:15. He asks "But whom say ye that I am?"

The first question is public opinion. And then Jesus gets down to the "nitty-gritty." He gets down to the personal question. He says unto them, but who do you say that I am? That's the public opinion. Now, I want to know who you say that I am?

Notice Peter's confession in Verse 16: Simon Peter answered and said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

There are two parts to this confession. And this is very important. The first part says "Thou art the Christ," HO CHRISTOS, the Christ. Christ is the translation of the Greek word that is the same as the Hebrew word for Messiah, MASHIACH, and it means the anointing.

The Jews believed that when Messiah came, He would be the anointing of God in human form. And that's who He is. Peter says "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Here's something else that is very important. If you ever care to look up that phrase, "Son of the living God," not from a religious standpoint, but just look up the phrase itself from a Hebrew standpoint, you will find out that is the phrase that is used for God.

So when he said "The Son of the living God," that is a title of God to the Jews. So, what Peter was confessing was you are the Messiah, and you are God. Wow, what a Confession!

Amen brother Adam.

What is the motive for this campaign to discredit Jesus's divinity? Why do you celebrate when you feel you have delivered your case? Does this actually come from God, or does it actually come from the great deceiver?

Some of these comments even have a sense of pride- as if demeaning Jesus is an accomplishment to be proud of. Whomever is behind this campaign seems quite closed off to just normal, non-distorted interpreations of the Word.

Shame on you and everyone who is attacking and trying to discredit the Bible and demean Jesus. I find these posts disturbing and even sickening to think that Christians are giving into a lie so easily without question. But the truth will always expose the lie. Jesus is Lord and Jesus is divine and Jesus is the Son and Jesus is one with the Father and Holy Spirit, Jesus is the I AM, Jesus is God just as the Bible says.

Isaiah 44:6

John 20:27-28

John 10:30

John 5:18

John 1:18

Colossians 2:9-10

John 10:33

John 1:1

John 1:14

1 Corinthians 8:6

Revelation 1:17-18

Acts 7:59-60

Matthew 28:19

2 Peter 1:1

Acts 20:28

1 John 5:7

Amen!

Deuteronomy 18:18

King James Version

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jesus spoke his Father's word.

The Father spoke through him.

The Father is the one that doeth the works. Who is the Father? The Holy Spirit ( John 4:24, Leviticus 11:44)

Blessed be the name of the Lord!

The Father in Him (the Holy Spirit) was good.

BTW the Father's name is Jesus too- John 5:43

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Exodus 3.14 ,15

God the Father says this is His name for ever I AM THAT IAM .

No one not even Jesus has this name .

There is only 1 IAM , and Jesus is his Son .

Jesus being the Son of God is of the Good God .

Did you think he was of the devil ?

So was Jesus not good?

Amen.

Ephesians 4:5-7

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5

King James Version

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Corinthians 8:6

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 1:3 KJV

Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I need prayer for better understanding of Gods word, and Gods will for me and what He would want me to do for Him and others. I also need prayer that I am able to find a life partner that also believes in God and would want to live according to Gods will. I have read in the Bible that if you are married and get divorced, you can ONLY remarry if the other person cheated on you, if not then you would be committing adultery. I don't want to go to hell just because I got remarried. I need prayer that there would be a different understanding of the verses below. I have been married before, I am not the one who cheated, my wife may or may not have. She said at one time she slept with my cousin, then another time she said she didn't, that he told her to tell me that. So I am not sure what this would fall under. I list the verses below on what Jesus say about Divorce and remarriage.

Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

In 1 Corinthians 7:13-15, we read of a marriage that has a Christian spouse & a non-Christian spouse. If they're happy to remain together (in spite of their differences & associated problems), then they should keep the sanctity of the marriage by remaining together. However (in v 15), if the non-Christian spouse really wants to separate or divorce, he/she shouldn't be stopped from doing so & they should separate.

BUT, for many Christians they now see that a licence is given here for a re-marriage to take place, because the verse says, "A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases". This is not the case. Paul means that a Christian should not be in 'bondage' (or, being caged or chained up in a constant state of suffering, abuse or hatred) because of being compelled to hold the marriage together; one party should be free to go.

Nevertheless, the other Scripture remains in force, "And I (Jesus) say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." ( Matthew 19:9). So, if there's a separation/divorce, the believing spouse has to remain unmarried or else they would be committing adultery. The reference to "fornication", given by the Lord, was when it was found out by a spouse, during the betrothal or after a marriage had taken place, that there was 'uncleanness' in the other: i.e. where one was unfaithful at that time. In those days, the betrothal period was part of the marriage bond - not like today, when a couple could opt to cancel the engagement for any reason.

This is not true, CHRIST Himself was well known all around , and his fame went throughout the land.

many brought sick, and HE healed them.

If you are not known, who will come to you?

Don't judge the rich or poor, fame or not, rich or not.

Often we misunderstand the depth of meanings.

King is famous , is it not?

LORD is king of the kings, Is he not?

If you are poor, or rich, love and charity is important.

At the sermon on the mountain

Blessed are the poor, there is kingdom of heaven.

The word poor is mistranslated. Poor is beggars of spirit.

what that means is, someone who prays to GOD, which is beggar of spirit.

Someone who searches for higher power then the earth.

This is beggar of spirit.

Someone who goes to temples and churches are beggars of spirit.

Someone who wants to Know GOD, and LORD, and searches for GOD.

is beggar of the GOD's spirit.

It is not dry and cut, it is how we live.

Love is main foundation in begging for spirit.

In love we don't judge others. Only GOD is the judge.

The high and mighty, the rich, the famous, the masters of this world, will be rejected from the kingdom, but those on the out, the poor, the excluded, the homeless and degraded, they are holy, and those who stand with them, who give up their material goods and reject their families and their wealth and their inheritance, they are loved by GOD and will be the first in the kingdom and glory

Sandra,

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4

Which law spells out forgiveness? Had I a choice to only break one of the ten in my lifetime, no matter which I choose, forgiveness isn't there. Righteousness by the law was fulfilled by only one person, the Lord Jesus. That righteousness is what is imputed to those who believe, therefore, those who believe are under no obligation to do, what only Jesus did. However, once the love of God is received it shows in the life of a believer, perhaps not always perfectly, but it grows in their earthly lifetime.

It is the pride of the flesh to think that before the law a person lacks nothing. Matthew 19:30

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

"To demonstrate our love for God and His Son, Jesus Christ, is to conduct our lives in harmony with the Ten Commandments." It is pride that attaches eternal life to the letter of the law. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." 1John 1:17 The law is in the sphere of the work of the Holy Spirit, John 16:8, "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment". Believers testify of Christ's, grace and truth. I have no doubt the Holy Spirit within a believer will not lead them to violate any of the ten commandments, because the righteousness of Christ exceeds the letter of the law.

Sandra, Are all your sins forgiven?

"as it is fit in the Lord". Your understanding of this word "fit" seems to be, once again, linked to sexual misbehaviour/deviation. Whereas, "fit in the Lord" has nothing to do with sex, the instruction there is: 'wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is the proper thing to do, according to God's Desire & Plan for marital order & harmony'. This is the position of the wife to the husband & the attitude that she should adopt. And lest husbands see this instruction as a directive to his wife to 'worship him in everything', husbands should also note the next verse: "husbands love your wives & be not bitter against them". When the husband truly loves his wife, esteeming her, supporting her & giving of himself to her completely, he can then expect that position of loving submission from her. Now if you see some sexual deviation, whether from the wife or husband, I really don't know how you can possibly arrive at that. You recently did mention a Pastor you sat under many years ago - I wonder whether he or another has drilled this type of biblical mangling into you (& others) so that you can only see sexual perversion in so many biblical situations. Clearly, there are many warnings given in the Scriptures - but please, let's not force Scriptures to mean something they're not intended to do.

Can you supply supporting Scriptures to show that a husband & wife should be avoiding forms of sexual behaviour? Your quoting of Jude 7 is correct regarding 'fornication', but to then apply that example to husbands & wives is not only a 'long stretch', but quite inaccurate, as Adam & Richard have well explained. I can admit to the possibility of rape within marriage, when force is used for sexual gratification, but a husband & wife are "no longer two, but one flesh" ( Matthew 19:5,6). As a single loving unit, they give themselves over to each other in every respect, & in the sexual realm, are also free to express themselves for the bonding & happiness of each other.

The story of Job and his wife is a picture of being unequally yoked together with a nonbeliever. Job was a person who hated evil. He did not believe in committing oral or anal sex. His wife did commit Satan's sex. Jesus is going to change the grounds for divorce from adultery to fornication. That means Job had the right to divorce his wife. She believed in fornication.

Matthew 19:9 "whosoever shall put away his wife except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery." Job could have divorced his wife and he could have married another wife and he would not have committed adultery. Job had grounds for divorce, however divorce is not the only choice. He could remain married and not join his wife in sin. The day will come when the grounds for divorce will be changed from adultery to fornication.

Marilyn Taplin,"

"only God in heaven is good", You have misquoted the Lord Jesus as translated in the KJV, because you added "in heaven", which is not in any of the three gospels Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18 or Luke 18:19, See for yourself.

you are absolutely correct and this is just some more scripture to support your view, and if I may add read our bible (KJV) on a daily basis. Thank You

Mark 10:15 "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."

Luke Chapter 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when [his] disciples saw [it], they rebuked them.

16 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

I think this is how we should come to God as little children, guileless, seeking nothing only wanting to love the savior.

Also once you get married you should try to stay that way. Divorce can be only done if one of you commits adultery.

Matthew 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery

Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Isaiah 2:2-4 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Read More...)

Isaiah 65:25 - The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Daniel 2:44 - And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never b

@Valerie Although your comment was 7 years ago, I still feel the need to point out that I don't see any message in this phrase saying that you CAN'T forgive your spouse. It's simply just stating the only reason you COULD divorce, is because of cheating. Which is 100% understandable.

I believe you will find your answer by reading the same account in Mark 10:17-25. In Mark, the added remark of "Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God" (v 24).

So wealth is not the problem, unless of course one is distracted by it or uses what God has given, unwisely. But the point of Jesus' remark was that He detected that this young man's heart was not right. He might have "kept all the commandments" as he said, but in fact Jesus noticed that he broke the very first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me". This man went away sad, as it wasn't just his wealth that held him back, but his love, trust & dependence that he placed on it, that relegated God into second place. And indeed, it doesn't have to be money that can cause us to put our God & Saviour into second spot. 1 John 5:21.

Explain matthew 19:33