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Hi Lenny. From Matthew 1:17, we see the writer allocating fourteen generations between Abraham & David, then another fourteen from David to the Babylonian captivity, and then a further fourteen from the Captivity to Christ.

These are not generations of years/timeline, but generations of families. In other words, if we tried to count the years between each person/event, we would find that there isn't any correlation between them. The first set of fourteen covered approx 1000 years; the second set, approx 400 years; and the third set, nearly 600 years. So we can't use a timeline to predict a possible fourteen generations after Christ. And even if we tried to do so, what families would we use, since after the dispersion & inter-mingling between Israelis & the world, it would be impossible to ascertain any Jewish generation? The only generation that matters to the Lord are those who have been 're-generated' & are now the children of God through His Son Jesus Christ. We can't apply another fourteen generations to this age (post-Cross/Pentecost) - we are those who look up, knowing that our "redemption/coming of the Lord draweth nigh." ( Luke 21:28; James 5:8).

Look for Chris tomorrow. He is great with history.

I noticed it is 14 generations from David to the seizure of Babylon and from David to Jesus is also 14 generations . This needs to get more notice amongst bible scholars especially when it's dealing in messianic for telling.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Read these verses.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20 *

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

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Please reflect on 1 Chronicles 4:10, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 4:12-13, 19, and Psalms 23:3-4.

Brother Giannis, thank you for your comment. As a young person attending 'Church', I was taught that Jesus was always in Heaven (from the beginning), a part of the Trinity (therefore in spirit form), & was sent to Earth to become Man to fulfil God's Plan. I think you're saying the same thing but adding that since God's Word came to the people, Jesus was also called the "Word of God".

Ordinarily, I would agree with that view. But in studying the Scriptures, the following convinces me to believe differently.

John 1:1 (He was never known by this Name Jesus - only that the Word existed within the Godhead, just as the Holy Spirit exists).

John 1:14 (that Word was given flesh - the Word's Form was changed from Spirit to flesh).

Matthew 1:21 (that humanly birthed Babe would be called Jesus - a Name not used or known before in Heaven but now given to this new Life on Earth, coming as 'Yahweh is Salvation').

Luke 1:35 (the first title used of this Babe: "The Son of God". I don't find this revealed anywhere else in the Scriptures (OT) that the Son of God existed in Heaven (i.e. as a Son) - He only became a Son through His Incarnation).

Hebrews 1:1,2 (as God's Word was given to Israel via the prophets, so through His Son now God speaks to them & us. The same Word of God: once to the prophets, now the Word made flesh to speak, not as a prophet, but as the Son of God, God's Word in the flesh).

From all this, I don't deny the existence of Jesus in Heaven before the incarnation, but don't find evidence that He was called Jesus (in Heaven) or functioned as He did on Earth while in Heaven. Rather, I'm compelled to accept "there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" ( 1 John 5:7). The Word that always was within the Godhead is now Jesus seated as the Lord in flesh at His Father's right Hand.

Hi Antony. This passage in John chapter 1 is actually self-explanatory, though difficult to understand with the human mind. I'm sure you've read the whole passage from verse 1 to verse 14 especially.

The subject in these verses is The Word. The Word always existed because God always existed. The Word therefore was an intrinsic part of God, therefore the Word was God (not 'a' God, but the spoken declared Word existing & emanating from God): verse 1.

A further description of the Word from within God in verse 2. Everything was made according to this Word and in verse 3, this Word from God was capable of giving Life & Light to mankind. The Word that proceeds out of man is limited to only conveying our thoughts & feelings to someone else. Our limitation is because of our humanity. God is not human, so His Word (and His Spirit) have no limitations like we have - God can use His Word as He Wills & form His Word as He Chooses.

Then to verse 14 which refers back to this Word of God. God in His Wisdom & Plan, chose to take His Word and give it flesh (i.e. to clothe His Word in humanity). This is where it becomes difficult to comprehend: how can something immaterial like a Word be made into a human? Maybe in the same way that God can take a Seed & place it in a woman to bring forth a human baby ( Matthew 1:18-21), or God appearing to Abraham in another form with two others ( Genesis 18:1,2). All things are possible with God & our lack of understanding of His Power & His Ways shouldn't stop us from believing & accepting His Wonders.

So, as John 1:14 declares, that Word of God was made human, seen & touched by others, the begotten of God, named Jesus, the Son of God. Jesus is still the Word of God, made flesh for His Ministry & Sacrifice on Earth, but now risen into Heaven, seated at His Father's right Hand ( Hebrews 10:11,12). The Word that came out of God's Being, made flesh, & now risen as the glorified Man Christ Jesus, fully Divine, interceding for us ( 1 Timothy 2:5).

When you remarried had you believed in Jesus or not?

God is love Jonny , you and your wife must trust in His love and in His mercy . Nothing is random with God , He puts us where He wants us to be . If you and your wife give yourselves to Him whole heartedly you will both be forgiven for all your sins and will be blessed as a couple . Much love in Christ .

i got divorce remarried a woman that got a divorce been married for 25 years so i'm adultrey that sin,do i need to get a divorce and stay single then repent to God and ask for forgiveness of this will he forgive me,

I recommend that you read the Bible & not trust the other.

If you want to know who Jesus is start with: Matthew 1:1, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:1, John 1:1, & read through each chapter.

Hopefully you find that helpful.

I didn't see any Babylonian history in Joseph (he is not the body father of Jesus ). The Holy Spirit is.

Didn't see any in Mary's Genealogy either.

Google>>Genealogy LISTS for Jesus. It's a big long study. Many people have studied it and tried to find fault in Jesus's bloodline. Jews and Gentiles.

We all forget easily that the Holy Spirit over-shadowed Mary with the Light of Jesus. He is pure from all sin.

Genealogy is not going to help us be born again ( John 3)

He is so Holy that in Isaiah 6, through a vision, He saw the Lord in his glory, sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the Temple etc. if that doesn't convince you of his holiness, it won't happen.

He saw Jesus BEFORE Bethlehem.

Hi Roy,

I will begin with a brief part of my testimony. I also have been a wretched sinner before the Lord, BUT, like Paul, I found mercy, for truly, I was as ignorant as a beast, not knowing that I was, by the world, the flesh, and the devil, being fattened up with all the pleasures here, only to face destruction in eternity for earth's 'fun'.

The Lord started making me aware not of my sins 'generally'...but He began dealing with specifics. One day, as I was considering my true condition according to God's standard, I felt as though hell opened up right under my feet; I could feel the 'weight' of my sins pulling me downward; I felt heat, and I felt flames, and I REALLY CRIED to the Lord to save me - and so He did.

What the Lord helped me to see in all that, Roy, was how seriously God takes sin. It made me see how abhorrent sin is in God's eyes. He hates it because it mars us, His creation. We were created in God's lovely image; sin defaces that image and paints the image of the beast on us. Jesus told the Jewish leaders, 'You are of your father, the devil.' They acted like him, they did his deeds, and they very much looked like! God hates it!

God hates it because it caused His dear Son, Jesus Christ, so much pain, shame, and suffering to become our Sin-Bearer.

Dare we trifle with sin, and dilly-dally in it so lightly, so thoughtlessly, when God hates it, and will call each one of us to account for it soon?

An old preacher's words come back to me; he said that it is wise for us to bring our last day close to us,i.e, think of it often, and consider that very shortly our day of reckoning will come, at which time we will have to give an account for all that we have said, done, thought, and if not found to be in Christ, will suffer eternal separation from God and punishment.

We must agree that that what God calls sin IS sin and repent. When we are forgiven, then we love God. Those who are forgiven much then love him much.

Grace in abundance to you, Roy

The Bible literally refers to God as Godhead, so the few who are uncomfortable with that term can simply use the word Godhead instead. There's a mountain of scriptures showing the dynamic and divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We're here to defend Jesus Christ and anyone trying to discredit or smear His divinity. We should all pray for wisdom, understanding and truth as we read the scriptures so that we are not mislead by the enemy and buy into things that merely fulfill our itching ears.

John 1:1

1 John 5:7-8

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Isaiah 7:14

Matthew 1:23-25

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Alive for Evermore - Rev 1:18

All Knowing Psalm 139:1-6

All, and in All - Colossians 3:11

Almighty - Revelation 1:8

Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:8

Altar - Hebrews 13:10

Altogether Lovely - Song of Solomon 5:16

Amen - Revelation 3:14

Ancient of Days - Daniel 7:13 & Daniel 7:22

Anointed One - 1 Samuel 2:35

Author of Eternal Salvation - Hebrews 5:9

Author of our Faith - Hebrews 12:2

Balm of Gilead - Jeremiah 8:22

Banner over us - Ps 60:4, S of Sol 2:4

Bearer of Sin - Hebrews 9:28

Before All Things - Colossians 1:17

Beginning and Ending - Revelation 1:8

Bishop of our Souls - 1 Peter 2:25

Blessed and Only Potentate - 1 Timothy 6:15

Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

Bread of Life, my manna - John 6:35

Bridegroom - John 3:29

Bright and Morning Star - Revelation 22:16

Brightness of His Glory - Hebrews 1:3

Buckler - Psalms 18:30

Captain - Joshua 5:14-15, Hebrews 2:10

Changeless One - Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8

Chief Among 10,000, S. of Solomon 5:10

Chosen of God - 1 Peter 2:4

Christ - Matthew 1:16 - 1 John 5:1

Comforter - John 14:16-18

Consolation of Israel - Luke 2:25

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Creator - Romans 1:25 - Isaiah 40:28

Crown of Glory - Isaiah 28:5

14 genaratons went to Babylon baby name Jesus from mary

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The question is do you have any desire and love of the Lord in regard to His Holiness and righteousness? It is only when the Spirit is within us that there is a battle of wills; between the flesh and Spirit. It is only His children who He chastises in order to conform them to the image of His Son. I am of the belief that anyone who is involved with someone when their spouse is still alive (despite divorce) is committing adultery; which makes it especially bad when they have sanction from the church and a legal certificate to remarry. I don't know your situation; there are certainly more senior dating sites today even in your age range.

Adultery is not only sinning outside God's intended covenant marriage; but also infringing against the husband of the woman as well as involving her sin. I would advise you to read in Proverbs in particular about the seductress and her entrappings; with her guests being in hell and other such warnings.

As believers; if truly saved we are a part of the Body of Christ; and should also love and honor others above our own interests. We should not foresake the assembling of one another; but also have "agape" love; as 1 John warns that he who does not love his brother is a murderer at heart. I am not sure how familiar you are with the scriptures; but again the Spirit brings sin; righteousness and judgment to come and also a hunger and thirst for righeousness. If that does not characterize your heart; I would ask you to seek God to give you a new heart. We need to undertand Jeremiah 17:9 (if I have the right verse) that the heart is desperately wicked; who can know it? We need to look at all our affections and see what we really are apart from Christ; not just try to avoid the consequences of our actions. If we hate God; according to the Word we "love death." The Antichrist and Tribulation are coming; you don't want to be left behind in that judgment if you can avoid it. I pray that the Lord gives you wisdom on this

Sorry about the typos. When should never voice text when they're in a hurry! Sometimes my phone changes things and if I don't go back to edit then it can be confusing. You're in my prayers today Roy. God bless you and give you a glimpse of how (I believe) He's always been in your life. You didn't make it to your age by not having some Jesus intervention!

:-).

Roy, Reading your reply reduced me to tears! Not out of sadness for you, but because I began to think of all the reasons that I love Jesus. He has truly been a friend that sticks closer than a brother. CLOS ER than a brother! And my family is pretty close. Jesus has not only saved my soul but he has walked with me through my entire life. He was there all the times that I got myself caught in satan's web. He stood by my bed side when I was sick and near death many times. When I was lonely he comforted me. When I was scared he calmed me. When enemies tried to attack me and take my soul, Jesus protected me. He dealt with them. Who do you know that would go out of their way to leave blessings in your path just for you, to make your life more beautiful? And warn you when there's danger ahead? Who do you know that would step out of nowhere to help you when you're in trouble or have a need? Who do you know that has made it a point to guide you when you need wisdom? He is always there 247. Who do you know that is always there when you're sick? Who do you know that always forgives you though you may sin against him 707? Who defends you when you don't deserve it? Who knows your heart and who can you 100% be honest with about everything? Even the darkest of things. Who knows your heart and every thought that you think and still loves you? Who has that kind of love for you? Jesus does. Jesus has been that kind of a Savior to me! He has been that kind of a friend? Trust me when I say I'm being very brief for lack of time this morning. When you have that kind of relationship with someone, it is impossible to not love them. So my prayer for you this morning is that you would have eyes to see what Jesus has really been to you in your lifetime. I realized that I love him. And that gave me a great desire to keep His commandments from my heart. Completely turned me around and sent my feet on a different path. I'm still far from perfect & I'm not worthy. Heaven will be a gift!

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Why then should a man express such love to God? Please read 1 John 4:9-21, particularly noting that the sacrifice of His Son was the ultimate declaration of His Love for every sinner. And in response, "we love him, because he first loved us". This love is similar to that shown to one's family, yet much greater. If a sinner has been forgiven & released from guilt, his love towards God should know no bounds, for sin's weight has been removed, new life has been given him, God's Spirit takes up residence in him sealing him & giving him power to live in joy & victory.

So this can never be a matter with the 'human brain'; for sure, we can understand these words with the mind, but it's only our spirit that can be convicted, renewed, & respond with extreme gratitude to the Lord Who has reached down to us & done all this for us. We might willingly self-sacrifice for the good of our families, but will the Christian be willing to sacrifice his life for the Lord, if demanded? The true believer always will. Why? Because he is no longer his own, he belongs to the Lord, & the same Lord will empower him giving him the confidence & courage to face every test.

So, this is the love that the Bible speaks of. The faith that God gives us to call upon Him & to believe in Him, is the faith that makes our view of Him, our knowledge of Him, & our relationship with Him very, very real - not seeing with physical eyes but with the spiritual, & the Spirit revealing Jesus & His Word to us. A lot of words shared here Roy, but I hope that it goes some way to explain this Agapao (love), how we can have this special love for others, but fully expressed toward the God Who gave His All, His Best for our redemption & to be His eternal possession. Many in this world know all about God & His Ways, some even in the pulpit, but only those possessed by Him, living each day for Him, are called His children. May the Lord grant you help & understanding of His Love for you & your response to Him.

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I can understand the sense of wrongdoing that you feel Roy, yet also believing (in hope) that all things will be well in the end, inspite of how your life has been going. I began a response to you much earlier, but my comment disappeared; maybe done so by the Lord as your comment to Donna would have changed it.

Therefore, on that basis, I wonder whether your belief in God, His Son, His Holy Spirit, in forgiveness, & everlasting life is confined to a head knowledge & not involving a heart relationship with the Lord. Please forgive me if that sounds confronting, but I write that in response to what you wrote, "I am not convinced that I know what "LOVE" is in this context...how does the human brain do that?" Maybe Donna will share her own thoughts on your comment, but if I may, I will add my own here.

Essentially the love you have for your family is similar to the love you should have for God (by the way, I'm not raising the extra-marital propensity that you are 'afflicted' with here) - just, 'what is this love?' In the Bible, we read of different types of Love that can be expressed to another. Without detailing all those here, the Love that you would have towards your family is called 'Agapao' (a Greek word denoting the highest form of expressing love, where these attributes are depicted: self-sacrifice, no conditions made, seeking the best for others even to the neglect of oneself). In the Bible, there are many verses declaring such love by God for us (the familiar John 3:16 being a prime example), & our expression of that same love towards God & also to others.

Your reply and very succinct it is " JESUS and "Do I love HIM""

That is a very difficult question to answer as I am not convinced that I know what "LOVE" is in this context.

Do I love JESUS in the way that I love my wife and family then the answer is NO.

I do BELIEVE in GOD, JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the resurrections, forgiveness of sins and life everlasting then the answer is YES, but to love a heavenly concept a belief - how does the human brain do that?

Where does that get us?

Roy

This scripture wrecked MY sinful lifestyle . Jesus said," If you LOVE Me, keep My commandments ". John 14:15

Do you LOVE Him?

I had to ask myself that very question. Maybe it will help you too.

:-) Jesus loves you.

Thank you I will follow up on the references you kindly provided

Regards

Roy

Thank you very much - a lot to consider but that is what I should be doing anyway.

May I share my feeling of HOPE with you.

Roy

Thank you Roy for sharing so intimately about your sin & dilemma in dealing with it.

There are many issues here: your own spiritual condition (i.e. whether you're born again of God's Spirit or not); what you have been taught concerning sin & repentance (e.g. some happily to go weekly into a confessional to present their sins to a priest & receive absolution, having no deep lasting change in heart upon their exit); belief in your eternal security in salvation without a sense of moral & spiritual responsibility to attain to God's high standards; losing the consciousness of the depravity of one's sins because of a perpetual engagement in them, thus creating excuses to continue in them; even dismissing some sins for the satisfaction they give, e.g. maybe in your case, a need for companionship with its resulting emotional & physical pleasure you receive; & etc.

We all have 'besetting' sins: those sin(s) that seem to regularly raise their ugly heads to which we have to either attend to or succumb to. Even taking the sin of 'speaking lies' is all too often a sin that many hardly consider sinful because it is either considered at the 'lower end' of sins or it matters not to God or man. But the spiritual person, walking in constant step with the Spirit, is always aware of their weak area & is on guard & will shun any form of lying because it is sin & it grieves God Who lives in Him. And the same with attraction to the opposite sex: there's always a line that must be drawn that one must stay well behind. Men can easily succumb (some say, that's how we're wired), therefore we must be the more vigilant. To the one 'in Christ', however appealing that can be to our flesh, we must walk away, even run, as Joseph did when enticed (Genesis chapter 39).

I would leave you with 1 John chapter 3, especially noting those given over to sinful or to righteous living; not single acts, but acts wilful, habitual, or of character. But God always provides His resources ( Ephesians 6:10-18).

Greek translation of Biblical in the Gospels= (Internet research ) Greek = "Metaonia" - "meta" = "after", bears the concept of "shift", or "change",

Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.

Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,

Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?

Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,

James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,

Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,

Hopefully these are helpful

This is a general quest and not specific to any one particular reference within our Holy Bible.

I an thinking in terms of Our LORDS promises of resurrection, life after death and forgiveness of sins. These for me are the foundation stones of my belief and I see them as one single issue Hope! without Hope end of life would be intolerable. It is Hope that gives me all the encouragement I need to continue to enjoy my life and to be able to face the inevitability of death, (I am 81 years young and luckily hail and hearty),allow death makes me feel sad but only because of the physical separation from loved one that I will leave behind in this world. So having explained my basis thinking here is my problem and that about which I am looking for advice.

FORGIVENESS OF SINS - I am a multi sinner in terms of the 12 commandments although by todays moral standards as seen from human eyes perhaps not excessively so nevertheless I am most definitely in the eyes of GOD a sinner. I obviously admit and confess my sins but when doing so and asking for forgiveness I feel no remorse!!!!!!?????

I feel vaguely sorry that I have not strictly adhered to GODS law but how can GOD forgive me if I am not truly and deeply sorry for what I have done.

My greatest sin is adultery and adultery many times repeated and enjoyed in my time on this earth. Repeated to the extent that even now, well into physical decline and dotage I have no doubt that should I be presented with the opportunity I would happily repeat my sin.

Is there anyone among this community that would like to try and help me with this dilemma?

Regards to you all

Roy

1st, because this scripture has put an emotion in you. I assume GOD is working on something within you, possibly to show you truth or study deeper.

2nd, pray for wisdom also James 1:5, in what GOD wants to reveal to you, deeper than I may show you.

3rd, to me I understand this Psalms 11, & Psalms 11:3, appears to be written by David, it seems to point to when he was being pursued by Saul into the mountains. Please read 1Samuel 19:10, 1Samuel 18:29, 1Samuel 23:26, could David be referring to the foundation being destroyed referring to himself? 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, Psalms 132:11, being the promise of GOD to establish HIS throne through David?

4th, because the temple wasn't made yet, 1Chronicles 28:3-21, Psalms 127:1,

5th, however David's Psalms were also prophetic like Psalms 22,

6th, Jesus being in the lineage of David: Matthew 22:42, Acts 13:22, Matthew 1:1,

7th, other scripture: Isaiah 28:16, 1Corinthians 3:11-17,

Hopefully this is helpful

Matthew 1:17,