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I think we're on the same page here Spencer.

Paul was a very educated man and so,even as he was led to write what he did from the Holy Ghost sometimes the whole passage needs to be read so as to understand what was written in the first few verses.

The Jews are the chosen people of God and always will be. As part of God's plan, because his people rejected him the Gentiles were given the opportunity to receive him. Those who accepted him were considered part of the wild olive tree but we're grafted into the true olive tree. The Jews as a people are the broken branches that the gentiles replaced but God can graft them back into the tree.

All those who have accepted Christ will be raptured as stated in Matthew 24:29-31.

This is where I can only guess what happens next but think I have it right. After the battle of Armageddon and the events surrounding it, the thousand yr reign of Chris t will take place. This is what Isaiah 11 speaks to, where the wolf lies with the lamb, the child will play In the nest of the asp and the lion eats grass as the ox. The nation has been scattered when the anti-christ besieged the city of Jerusalem but now is regathered to become the chief of nations as Christ will be reigning as their King and they will accept him now. All the nations of the world will look to Israel as the nation with power and glory for Christ will be there as well.

Matthew 24:13 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." It sounds like it's something we have to do to be saved in the end, that we have to endure until the end in order to be saved. It's not "if" we endure to the end. The literal translation from the Greek says, "But the one who HAS ENDURED, not the one who will, but the one who has endured unto the end, this one will be saved. Because it is an Aorist Participle in the Greek, it shows the proof of those who are saved, and it matches the rest of the teachings in the New Testament. The person who is saved WILL endure to the end.

We see this again in Mark 13:13 which says, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

What Jesus is doing for us is He is designating a characteristic of those people who are saved. They endure till the end. The reason why they endure to the end is because they belong to the Lord. It's God's Spirit that protects us. It is God's Spirit that takes us all the way to the end. It is not a challenge for us. It is a characteristic of a person that is saved! In 1 Peter 1:5, Peter says, "We are those who are being kept by the power of God until our salvation comes."

We are kept by the power of God, period!

2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Mark 13:22

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Corinthians 11:13

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 1

John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Mishael: The Holy Spirit will give spiritual discernment if you ask for it. Pay attention to the "catches" in your born again spirit. Prove from the Bible what is taught to you.

Marke, I see where you are coming from on point 4 and I've studied this topic in depth. However, when reading this with the parable of the 10 virgins it make a lot more sense. In that parable from Matthew 25: 1-13, there were 10 virgins with oil in their lamps. The oil represents the Holy Spirit, in which they are the "light" of the world. The virgins represent the church (ref. 2 Cor. 11:2). Now, 5 were foolish and let their oil be quenched (ref. 1 Thes. 5:19). Now, when the 10 got to door and were greeted by the groom (representing Christ on the day of judgement) he told the 5 foolish virgins he "never knew them". That seems odd that he would not know them just because they let the oil burn out. They didn't guard their oil and tend to it, and they ended up in the darkness of night (hell).

We know from Eph. 1: 13 that we are sealed w/ the Holy Spirit when we believed on Christ, but, even seals can be broken. We also see in Eph. 1:14 that the Holy Spirit is our earnest, but, that is not a guarantee. If we could never have our names blotted out of the Book of Life and forfeit the Holy Spirit by not remaining faithful to Christ then why would Christ even tell his followers of the parable of the 10 virgins?

You also said that nowhere in the Bible does Christ say that he once knew someone and then didn't. For that, I go to Rev. 3:16, in which Christ spits out the lukewarm Christian. This is not a depiction of someone who was "never in Christ to begin with" but someone who was in Christ and is spit out.

Also Rev. 3: 21 "To him that OVERCOMETH will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." To overcome means to endure to the end ( Matthew 24:13)

Paul speaks under inspiration of the Holy Spirit tell Christians in Rom. 6: 16 that only those who obey Christ will inherit eternal life. This is not a unconditional.

Also ref. 2 Peter 1: 10-11 regarding eternal life. It's conditional, not unconditional.

Reply to ELB

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

If we assume the picture here is one of good growth with all men or all men of all nations in the end dwelling in or under the branches of the full-grown body we must identify certain aspects of the narrative. For example, this picture cannot be one in which the kingdom of Israel blossoms in continual growth from the days of Abraham until the millennial kingdom of the Lord, so we must assume the picture here is one of steady growth of the church until at the end all nations become Christians or people from all nations become Christians.

But that scenario conflicts with what Jesus said of the decline of the Church towards the end in which it will be asked again, shall He find faith on earth in the end?

Luke 18:8

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Christianity will not be blossoming greatly in the end just before Jesus returns, but evil will be all but out of control instead.

Matthew 24:22

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:4-51, Mark 13:5-37,

The signs are here though I believe that we are at the very beginning. Not saying we have entered the 70th week but the way things are going on, rumors of wars, supply chain issues and the COVID almost as the dry run for all other diseases to follow, one may want to take stock of what and how they should prepare as more serious events take place around us.

Dear brother

You are right about the prophesy of Isaiah, it is sbout Christ's thousand year reign. But who are the saints that will take part in that?

Let's read Revelation 20:4

"4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Reading the above verse It is obvious that the ones who will reign with Jesus are those who resisted antichrist and didn't get the mark and got beheaded. I think that among these people there should be Jewish people as well but not only them.

The prophesy in Matthew 24: is often attributed by some christians to the siege of Jerusalem by Romans but could be for the one by the beast as well.

GBU

I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:

Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,

The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,

Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer

Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,

Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,

Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,

Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,

Hopefully this is helpful

Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.

I personally haven't found any that say that.

2Thessalonians 2, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37,

Revelation 16,

I believe that comes from a guy named Bob Jones that said that. A few other people have said that would happen. I watched a few videos about what they call "the perfect storm".

I personally witnessed, during a hurricane years ago a tree was uprooted & floated down stream in flooding water until it was stuck up under a bridge; caused the flooding creek, to flood in reverse: because of debris that was caught by tree, limbs, roots etc. blocked the flow. Other Hurricanes have recorded winds & other causes doing that to The Mississippi River & other rivers, during past decade. These events they speak of are supposed to be major events. It however doesn't seem to be necessarily noted in scripture except for miracles that GOD used for Israelites to pass through. Exodus 14:26-29, Joshua 3:13-16, Joshua 4:7,18,23, Joshua 5:1, & Prophets: 2Kings 2:8,14,

Hopefully this is helpful

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Beautifully put. I believe some misunderstand, the "Coming of The LORD, Return of The LORD, THE Day of The LORD " as I did also, as dearly loved fellowship of Believers would pray for it. Maybe by Philippians 3:20, eagerly awaiting, & Colossians 4:2, That misinterpreted.

Then one day I read: Amos 5:18-24,

People long for Mercy, Justice, correct judgement that may be the root of the plea, prayer.

However Jesus instruction was pray "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven " Matthew 6:9-13,

Daniel 7:27, Psalms 145:13, John 17, note John 17:15-16, Luke 17:20-21,

Proverbs 21:3, Isaiah 56:1, Psalms 82:3, Isaiah 59:4, (context Isaiah 59), Jeremiah 22:15, * Isaiah 58,

2Samuel 8:15, 1Kings 10:9, Ezekiel 45:9, Micah 6:8,

We even as 1 person can bring justice, mercy, truth, hope, deliverance, through faith, endurance, prayer, action & being a living example

Romans 1:17, James 2, Hebrews 11, 2Corinthians 5:7, Mark 11:22-26,

We are called to bring Justice, Judgement, Mercy.

Ecclesiastes 5:8, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 6,

Psalms 102:17, * James 5,

Hopefully these are helpful, please share these scriptures with those whom you feel led as a tool

Hello John. I only recall there is only one Tribulation still to come. It is called, The Great Tribulation ( Matthew 24:21). Jesus said in John 16:33, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Here, 'tribulation' is simply the sufferings, hardships, even persecutions that we all might face (as also Romans 8:35; 2 Corinthians 7:4; etc.). But the Great Tribulation that Jesus speaks of, & other epistle writers also refer to, is the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath ( Revelation 6:17; Revelation 16:1; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Ephesians 5:6); an anger against the accumulated wickedness of Earth's inhabitants which cannot be held back by Him any longer. The deaths & devastation will be frightening to say the least & the world will know that this is the Anger of the Lord upon them & none will be innocent bystanders - all those left on Earth will stand guilty before Him.

1Thessalonians 4,

Mark 13:4-37, Matthew 24:2-51, Revelation 1:7,

Tribulation definition online: "a cause of great trouble or suffering"

Deuteronomy 4:29,30,31, 1Samuel 26:24, Matthew 13:20-21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 8:35-39, Romans 12:12, 2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 2Thessalonians 1:6, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 2:9,10,22,

There seems to be a difference between tribulation & The great Tribulation,

Matthew 24:21, Romans 2, Revelation 7:14,

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Revelation 8, - Revelation 9, - Revelation 10, note there are 7 angels with seven trumpets Revelation 8:2-6, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th angels "sounded" their trumpets in Rev. 8, Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, & warns of the final 3. Revelation 8:13, "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound"

The 5th & 6th angels sound in Rev. 9, Revelation 9:1,13, It's not until Revelation 10, the 7th will sound Revelation 10:7,

1Corinthians 15:52, Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Zephaniah 1, Zephaniah 1:15,16, Amos 5:18-20, Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37, Revelation 1:7, Mark 14:60-62, Matthew 26:62-64, Revelation 10:1-7, Revelation 14,

1Thessalonians 1:9,10, 1Thessalonians 2:19, John 17, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5, 2Thessalonians 1, 2Thessalonians 2, 2Timothy 2, 2Timothy 3, 2Timothy 3:12, 2Timothy 4:1-8, Titus 2:13-15, 2Peter 2:4-9, 2Peter 3:9-18,

Hopefully these are helpful to this discussion

Dear Lau.

I think the passage that you mention in your post is about the second coming of Jesus at the end of the 7 years that the antichrist rules on earth. Pay attention to V29 and V30

" V29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

V30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.".

Why do tribes mourn? Because they accepted the mark of the beast.

For what Paul call Rupture see Matthew 24:40 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left"

What is one doing in the field? The answer is working. But if he didn't accept the beast's mark how is he working, how does he get paid or how can he sell his goods and buy other, and if he did get the mark how is he going to be grabed to the sky?

My opinion is that rupture occurs before tribulation. Also Daniel has some good arguments in his post.

GBU

Jesus himself explains to His disciples

what to expect in the end times. There are two sets of verses regarding Jesus explanation:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,

and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" ( Matthew 24:29-31, KJV).

Sequence of Events:

1. The Tribulation ends.

2. Sun, moon darkened - stars fall.

3. The sign of the Son of man seen - Son of man

coming.

4. Angels sent with sound of trumpet.

5. Elect gathered from four winds (earth) and one end of heaven to the other.

Timing: The coming of the Son of man and his gathering of the elect follows the darkness at the end of the tribulation.

Dear Ren

Please read Matthew 24:36-44. Pay attention to verses 38 and 39. (Also Luke 17:26-27). Jesus says in simple words that on the day He comes people will deal with their everyday works just as another ordinary day in this world. So it is obvious that that day can not be at the end of the week (7 years) that the antichrist will rule on earth because at that time catastrophies, disasters, word war, hunger and death (tribulation) will happen on earth. People will be frightened to death of the happenings to come on earth.(See Luke 21:25-27).They are not ordinary times when people have their everyday life. Jesus talks about some other time that life on earth is normal with people doing their normal activities.

Please read Luke 21:34-35 Jesus warns us, His disciples, to be careful to be ready when He comes and not to allow cares of this life to make us loose and unprepared. But we know in Revelation people will have to put on themselves the mark 666 so to be able to buy and sell. How is then possible for christians to care for things in this world? During the time of antichrist christians will hide to save their lives from the beast. they will be slaughtered. So the coming of Jesus to grab His church is a different day from the day He comes with His saints and angels to beat the army of antichrist in the fight of Armagedon. It precedes tribulation, it is still a good time.. So when is that time that Jesus comes to grab His church? Read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Pay attention to verses 6, 7 and 8. Here it says that the antichrist will not appear until somebody who prevents him is taken out of this world. The most usual explanation is that "he to be taken out" is the Holly Spirit. And since the church can not exist without the Holly Spirit, the church has to go as well. Satan can not rule on earth as long as the church is in the world. We have authority on him. Many can be said but not in a post.

GBU

I we observe the signs, they are here, without any doubt

Please read Revelation 8, note also 8:6, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, note Revelation 10:7, 1Corinthians 15:52, 1Thessalonians 4:16, READ in context

Jeremiah 4:13, Daniel 7:13, Joel 2, Zephaniah 1, note: Zephaniah 1:14-17, Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 1:7, Amos 5:18-20

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Matthew 24:3-9 is what we need to see but most married men/women don't want to doctrinally acknowledge today. I see the verse there posted above in the 1st response stating yes; if any were to try to hold us back from serving God (this would be an extreme but it has happened)...we'd forsake all for Christ. But this chapter starts off with Jesus Christ rebuking the Pharisees challenging God's plan for marriage with Law. Men/women sometimes just want someone to justify them divorcing and going to another who is not their flesh. I hope the reason you ask these questions is not to seek divorce. Try looking at verse 9 and understand that divorce has never been and never will be in God's plan and it is adultery.

We're at verse 9 and soon 10. "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you" -- afflicted? I can only think of one thing and that's the poke -- even "churches" get money to encourage it. If you haven't watched Mike Lindells news channel about the poke you should. -- In short the poke is designed to kill you over time, if not immediately -- it can also cause miscarriages among other horrible things. There is an archive.

It is unrelated to the previous paragraph: The one about a week ago with the Ukrainian-born Jew was rather amazing too

My father who is in his 70s never though he'd see these days.

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." -- the previous verse describes from 2001 to recent times -- "earthquakes in divers places" -- meaning earthquakes far underwater which have happened and have caused huge tsunamis. Just recently even a volcano exploded and could be seen clearly from space, including the pressure wave(the explosion which is too loud and doesn't cause sound but a boom).

Christ has clearly said all of this in order of what will happen.

Not in Bible scripture however, I feel the idea in many ways is: Psalms 37, 2Corinthians 4, Noteably 2Corinthians 4:16,17, 1Peter 4:7,12,13, 1Peter 4:17-19, 2Timothy 2:3, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 2Thessalonians 1, Psalms 30:5, James 5:10-11, Psalms 62:5, Proverbs 20:22,

Romans 8:24-39

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 24:6, Mark 13:7, James 4:1-3,

Psalms 46:9,

Psalms 37,

I've had several close to death experiences. The 1st I recall clearly was about 5 or 6 yrs old. I was being held by gentle being, clothed in white & no pain, back to unbearable pain & suffering. I heard myself speak as an adult outside of the situation. That may have been the closest I've ever been to Heaven itself, the place. 2nd time I was electrically shocked while in water, I saw a black hand cover the sky, enormous, I could only see light through the bend of two fingers & only a portion, it was so huge. 3rd & 4th time I was young adult, it was all black around, I could feel darkness & closeness to judgement. I begged for another chance. 5th time I could hear & see the EMTs I had a different view. I was at peace not struggling, no pain. Then as they put the heart zapper thing on 3rd time I think it was. I felt difficult pain again, coldness, struggle. Luke 23:43, Luke 16:15-31, Luke 20:35-38, Psalms 91:11, Matthew 4:11, Matthew 13:39,41,49, Luke 4:10, 2Thessalonians 1:6-12, 1Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1, Psalms 97:2, * Hebrews 2:14,15, Genesis 5:24, 2Kings 2, Matthew 17:1-5, if GOD has allowed Ezekiel, John & others in the Scriptures to see Heaven then I cannot argue they did or not. * Acts 7:55, Jeremiah 52, Revelation 7, Isaiah 6:1, Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel 10,

Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 25:31-46, we will all give account so may our Words be faithful.

I sincerely hope so Bernie !

Are we in the final days

I think 1st: it's helpful to be ready personally for our personal "time" of accountability. Romans 14:12, Matthew 25:31-46,

When people push end-times fear it blinds the perspective of our personal lives & robs joy, & time. This is the day the LORD has made, let us rejoice & be glad in it. Philippians 4:4, Psalms 118:24,

Matthew 24:36, no man know the day nor hour, not even the angels in heaven. Jesus gave us much to understand closer to that time. Matthew 24, Mark 13, 2Thessalonians 2, if you notice a common command in these "be not soon shaken, in mind, or be troubled...."

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