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Thanks James: I fully agree.

James Brooks. You bring up a good point on Predestination, Election and spreading the Word. It brings to mind that the Law was given to stress that all men have sinned. The Word was given to convict us of that sin. The Law condemns us. The Word gives us life. John 3 and Romans 5.

The Law of Moses placed all mankind under sin, even those that followed that were not directly disobedient to God. The Law cannot reconcile us to God. Only Jesus can do that. Therefore, it is essential that people hear about Jesus. See also Romans 8:29-30: "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined He also called; those He called He also justified; those He justified He also glorified."

Ephesians 1 and John 10 are clear. God has given Jesus a flock and He will not lose a single one. So, the Call goes out for the Sheep.

Where did Cain got his wife, since we were told according to the Bible, Adam and Eve were the first human being created by God?

Mishael, in response to 2 of your posts, Angels are created beings. We see that in Colossians 1:16. They were created to serve. They are not human and Jesus Himself said they don't procreate. He further added that there is no marriage in Heaven. Our existence there will be completely different than what it is now. Some people are of the opinion they will continue to lead a Human life, marrying, having children, going to work from 8-5. But that is fiction. We will be completely transformed. So much so, that the closest Disciples of Jesus didn't even recognize Him when He appeared to them after the Resurrection. How different was He? He sat with them. He talked to them. He ate with them. And they had no clue.

Paul tells us that our mortal bodies will put on immortality when Christ returns and calls us to be with Him for all eternity. Our bodies will be incorruptible. Our minds will be incorruptible. Out hearts will be incorruptible.

We have been taught to believe that all Creation is about us; about our welfare, our joy, our delight in God, our enjoyment, our families. But is that was what our earthly creation was for? Where we created for us or for Christ? Where the Angels created for themselves or to serve God?

It is also a fiction that Angels can assume all the biological functions of Humans and procreate with them. They can't.

Thanks James, I agree with your comments. Evangelism must go on regardless as we are not privy to God's predestining & the Gospel must be heard by all, even those who won't respond so that might hear of God's Love.

CHRIS IT NOT FOR ME TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE PREDESTINED OR NOT.THAT,S BETWEEN GOD AND YOU.And I believe GOD was aware of everything you do before you do it. Ecclesiastes 11:5 says as you do not know what is the way of the wind,Or how the bones grow in the womb of her who is with child,So you do not know the works of GOD who makes everything.You see I believe it,s GOD and Me, GOD and you, GOD and every individual right on up the line.Every relationship with GOD is personal.I,m reminded of what Peter asked JESUS and the answer JESUS gave him in John21:21&22.Don,t worry about the other man ,you follow Him.talking about tracts,stumbling past buildings going through crisis may all be true if GOD chooses to use it.JESUS told Nicodemus,you must be born again.WE must be born again to be able to enter into His Kingdom John 3:8 read.I believe at the appointed time-----those that GOD has chosen will acknowledge Him (JESUS)as LORD and SAVIOR to the GLORY of GOD the FATHER.(PHIL.2:11)What did Paul do, did he have any tracts to read?What did the thief on the cross do,past by a church and felt guilty for not going to church/No it was the appointed time.GOD used JESUS to accomplish salvation for the lost sheep.A free gift from GOD.What do you have to do if something is free/I say treasure it . Ephesians 2:8&9 GOD Bless.

The Bible teaches both GOD,S sovereignty in electing sinners to salvation ( John 6:44, Romans 8:29 and Ephesians 1:4.and we are commanded to evangelize and spread the gospel( Matthew 28:16-20)Why evangelize if we are predestined?Because we were commanded to do so.I believe the gospel is Preached mostly to the believer anyway .Because the unbeliever does not want hear what you are saying any way.It is totally the work of GOD. There is away I believe,to embrace predestination,and election without having our hands bound by it,when it comes to evangelism.For scripture teaches both sovereign election and necessity of evangelizing.Paul addressed this issue in ( Romans 10:13-15).R.C.Sproul commented on that passage;GOD not only foreordains the end of salvation for the elect,He also foreordains the means to that end.We are called to share the gospel and to respond in faith and obedience.So you see evangelism is still necessary in light of GOD,S sovereignty in salvation for two reasons:(1)GOD has commanded us to do it.(2)This is GOD,s chosen means of advancing His kingdom on earth.We have that privilege of being used by GOD to accomplish HIS will.What a blessing to by to bless others with the words of the BREAD OF LIFE. The apostle Paul was sent by the LORD to preach the gospel to JEW and Gentile.That by hearing they might believe,and so call on the name of the LORD and be saved.But there can be no true calling upon GOD without faith no faith without hearing no hearing without preaching and no preaching without a divine calling.Every man calls upon the god he believed in.And those that do not believe in GOD and Christ do not call on them.How shall they believe in him whom they have not heard;meaning that there is no faith in Christ without hearing of Him.There may be believing without seeing,but not believing without hearing.

There is no reason to say the people Jesus was talking to weren't saved. I'm sure there were false converts back then too but the warning is to those whose names were already written in the book of life if they didn't repent.

In the parable of the sower doesn't it say, "and they BELIEVED for a while but when persecution arose for the word's sake, they were offended..."?

they didn't count the cost. Back around 60 to 70 AD, the Romans ran out of trees to crucify Jews on. When Jesus told his disciples to "take up your cross and come follow me", they knew exactly what could happen to them. In North Korea, they tell them if you come to Christ, it may cost you your life tomorrow. totally different than the gospel we have been given in America. This is why I am so concerned about the pre-trib teaching. It has no real warning to those. We are one of the few nations that havent' suffered real persecution. I have had a lot and mostly from churches but I evangelize quite a bit. Some have been put in prison like Kent Hovind was unjustly in 2005 for ten years in Florida. Very few have suffered anything. I hope you subscribe to my channel as I am going to show how many passages have been taken out of context or words added to the verses that are not there in the original languages to make it fit the pre-trib teaching. This is very deceptive. I care about you Jesse. You seem to be a great guy and very sound on a lot of issues. God Bless. I am sure we will talk again sometime.

YOU: "Hi Robert,

You partially answered my question, so I'll take what I can get. I have heard of the Millerites. But don't know much about them as I never took the time to do any research on that group. Also, I've heard of people being "on-fire" for the Lord. What I have learned over the years, is that most of the people who are "on-fire" people are new believers. I'm not even sure how I would describe someone being on-fire for the Lord? I remember when I was a kid growing up, I walked by a church that had the side door open and inside there were people flailing their arms around, jumping up and down, and screaming things I couldn't understand. It definitely wasn't English. I was pretty young so it scared me. There are things that stick with you your entire life, and that was one of them. I guess you can say they were "on-fire" for the Lord. I've also seen people in church that seemed to be on-fire for the Lord, but that fire seemed to be quenched as soon as they left the parking lot, and they didn't get it back until the following Sunday.

ME: I actually got saved at a pentecostal church. Some of the stuff going on today in many of those churches might be kundalini. Actually an old grandma praying for the lost her whole Christian walk and sometimes that is all a person is able to do is equally as on-fire as a person preaching the gospel with the anointing.

YOU:

So when I hear of someone being on fire, that does not tell me much because I've seen people on fire burn out and leave after a few months and no longer want anything to do with the Lord. So being on-fire for the Lord does not really prove a person is truly saved. The parable of the sower comes to mind.

ME: A fire can burn low for sure. Jesus tells those of us to come back to your first love.

Of course, like anything published on the Web, even from books I suppose, one needs to examine & accept the information given prudently. Thus my suggestion to do other research besides Wikipedia. Though, as you may have found out, that Wikipedia does give quite a good narrative on Moab's history which I couldn't easily fault.

Chris, if when you reference Rom5:13-14, you mean there was no Law of Moses, no Levitical Law, no 10 Commandments, then who could be held accountable. The import of the passage is that All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God. Sin was imputed even to those that didn't sin like Adam. 5:14, "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.'

The Law is God. And the Law was written in our hearts. There was one Law in the Garden, "DO NOT EAT". It was posted on the Tree (figuratively speaking). If there is a sign in a Ranch that says, DO NOT TRESPASS, is it OK to walk in? Or is the trespasser breaking a Law? Clearly, the 10 Commandments had not been given. But the Law at the Garden was plain as day. "DO NOT EAT". Adam and Eve ate. They broke the Law God imposed. They disobeyed.

Now, a law written in the heart is not the same as an Edict. God's Edict was "DO NOT EAT" and it came with a penalty. The day you break this Law, you will be put to death. And the Universe will be cursed. And you will be expelled from the Garden. No such law attaches to conscience, which only creates guilt for the Day of Judgement.

I have tried to provide as much Scripture as possible in this short space, and am responding to your statement on one I provided. The Question is, are you perplexed and defensive, or are you trying to see exactly what I am getting at? Are you looking at additional Scriptures? Now, I didn't know Angels could cross species. Please explain. Thanks.

Chris, discussion leads to growth, edification, faith and maturity. When we refuse or fear exploring ideas, doubts, concerns and Biblical Doctrines, Church Teachings and limit ourselves to what is generally accepted and legal in that group or denomination, we become victims of indoctrination.

Studied people will often not contemplate or take time to discuss and explain the difficult things. They are too busy being pompous and arrogant. I had the advantage of learning from one of the best Presbyterian Ministers ever. But he was humble, kind and loved to talk about every issue. He was a Philosopher Theologian, who mentored under Donald Barnhouse himself, at 10th Presbyterian in Philadelphia, Pa.

Regardless, I try to retain an open mind. What Rev. Ralph Hibbitt taught me was invaluable and it is the basis for all my questions, curiosity and desire to learn more. I wasn't always receptive to what he taught. But he was always patient and right on the mark. My own personal background spans the gamut of denominations. I appreciate them all and share things in common with them. But when I fit in one, I am rejected by the other. I believe Baptism is symbolic and not necessarily by immersion. I believe in the Gifts of the Spirit. I adhere to the Reformed Tradition, I am reject Church Entertainment, Declare it and it is Yours Fantasies and Prosperity Myths. And I consider myself an Evangelical proponent of Mission Work. So you see how things are difficult for me in Churches that won't discuss these issues. Churches that limit you to indoctrination?

And now that I have been exploring things, like a population before Adam and Eve sinned, a Phased Creation nominated DAYS, the Symbolic nature of certain things in Genesis and other subjects, you can see why Christians don't want to discuss them with me. We have all been indoctrinated, though some more than others. And if we don't talk, with an open heart, I can't learn and make corrections and those reading can't either.

Dog spirits? Going ot have to teach me that one.

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Thanks for the info. I had heard things about the Dakes, but like you said the lists are helpful. When you search historical events, are there reliable websites to go to?

Check Isaiah 5:20

That's a lovely poem, Patty, really expressing your special dream. It's such a wonderful sense the Lord gives us, whether we are awake, in sleep, or reading His Word, He adds that special view of the unknown that just lifts us up, especially when we need it the most. Blessings.

Amen. Rev 13:8 and 21:27. All who are written here are sealed & secure.

LOL. Preach it. I'm loving it.

I was doing a whole big study on Lucifer because there's so much schism about it.

But now I think there's too much Bible left in the New Testament alone, that deserves as much comment and explanation to 2020's people. Just today I ran over my favorite dog (spirits) verse, but I lost it again :/ kinda brutal.

Can't say that I know much about the Dakes Bible (by Finis Dake), though I used to sell it when giving some help in a Christian bookstore in the '80s. Many, particularly pastors, seemed to want it for its many references, though others expressed some concern. Dake was an evangelical Pentecostal minister, though had a chequered history in his earlier years. I actually use Charles C. Ryrie's Study Bible (Dallas Theo. Seminary), which has been a great blessing over my 41 yrs as a believer.

I had to research "Moab". Wikipedia gives a good account of it if for nothing else, to get you started into further research.

Carlos, we're keeping each other busy today, but I do enjoy our exchanging of views.

Apologies, I did mean Gen 4:16 (finger trouble). So, to briefly respond to your questions:

a. Cain & Abel's responsibilities: in their own farm & flocks; v 4 implies that Abel offered from HIS flock, as taking an animal from another flock would amount to stealing, unless permission was given.

b. Cain feared for his life: it could be he was talking about the future when in the passage of time, these others would seek out his life.

c. No idea who Nod was, just know it as shown in v 16. One can assume that the city was not the only one, or maybe it was the only one at that time.

d. Satan's accepting God's limits on him. 1:12 "all that he HATH" & 2:5,6 "upon his BODY". Life & death are the prerogative of God alone ( Deut 32:39; 1 Sam 2:6), that even Satan can't intrude into. That Satan was limited only to Job's possessions, & later, to affecting his body, was God's limit to the extent of influence upon Job. Whether Satan would have attempted to take Job's life as well, though would be unsuccessful, is arguable, but for the declaration by God to not go that far or to attempt to go that far.

e. Lk 22:31: not "asked" but "desired" to sift you as wheat. That's Satan's prerogative: to do as he wishes with us, except for the bounds set by God. I sometimes wonder what would be our state on Earth, if Satan had unlimited access to our lives.

f. Satan asking permission to go after Peter. He didn't ask for permission. To go after Adam. Again, no permission asked for. About the demoniac: to go into swine. Yes, permission was asked for, they're in subjection/limited ( Lk 10:17). I couldn't get the gist of the remaining part of your comment on Job 38, as to the connection to Permission, since God was speaking to Job about His Greatness & Power. Of course, if Satan indeed asked permission against Adam & Peter, then I could understand from where you're coming.

That was very sweet to let us read that. Tell it to all the Lord will show To you.

There is still beauty when life hurts.

Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Lots of WOES in that chapter. Better stay away from that ...

There are seducing spirits. ...having done all, to stand.

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Rom 5:14: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". I understand this from v 13: "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Sin is not imputed without the Law given, so those who didn't have the Law (see Rom 2:14) were regarded as "not sinning after the similitude of Adam's transgression", as Adam's sin too was apart from the Law. If God imputes transgressions to Adam or any who are outside the Law, then it's because the burden of the law was already in their hearts & applied in their societies. So the Law couldn't condemn them, but what was in their hearts & evidence of the transmitted sin nature, did. And, yes, Noah & his family were saved from total destruction, but sadly, they brought along the sin nature of Adam which couldn't be annihilated in that Flood.

And to the other examples of 'doctrinal myths' & our other beliefs: are they supported by Scripture, or should we accept that there is no Scriptural support & plead ignorance? So, the view of the Nephillim: unclear; Angels procreate, gender, species: No; Angels can cross species: evidence in the Bible is there, only by God's doing; the 'Day' in Genesis: easy for us to apply it to our Day, but God knows the period of time it involved. Yes, we would like to know all these answers, & it would be glib for us to say, 'when we get to Heaven these will be answered', but for now, if the Word doesn't give us the specifics, then we have to also remain unhappily unenlightened.

I would think that all angels are created beings; not human.

We're created in God's image and likeness. The Godhead was all Spirit at that time.

Anybody?

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Carlos, I searched for my specific comment ("Christians are not afraid to examine and allow that there are parts of the Garden story that are not literal.") & couldn't find it, unless you were referring to my recent reference: "there are somethings to be taken literally & others, not." If this is the one, then my apologies for being vague but I was referring to all of Scripture & not just the Creation account. So what I'm saying is that there are Scriptures that are clearly (to me) literal or non-literal in meaning, & I believe that the Creation account is to be taken literally. If there are other things added to it as a result from our 'in depth calculations', even if it helps in understanding how certain future events must happen, this is where I would rather 'err on the side of caution' & not consider those things, than to treat them as 'likely factual', & so mistreat God's Word.

As well, I did use the word "if", when saying, "if it (Creation account) should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified, or at least, reinterpreted to conform to it." In other words, anyone who does not take it literally, would have to reinterpret other Scriptures to conform to the original interpretation. So I can't address your other questions because of this misunderstanding.

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I've been looking at the Dakes bible tonight. Found a lot of comment about pre-Adamic world. Gotta go get a page enlarger so I can read!

Saw a lot of comment on Antichrist; with scripture. Will be tedious to read all that.

Where is exactly the boundaries of Moab?

I only read the comments with scriptures. What do you think about the Dakes?

Chris and all, You mean Gen 4. Questions: According to the Genesis account, there were only 4 people on the Earth when Cain killed Abel. So, who was Abel keeping flocks for? 4 people? And who was Cain farming for?

In 4:13 Cain says, "I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and WHOEVER finds me will kill me." Who is he referring to if there were no other people alive at the time? In 4:15, "The Lord put a mark on Cain so no one who found him would kill him." The Land of Nod was named after Nod. Who was Nod? In that land, Cain found a wife and had children and built a city. Is it fair to assume his was not the only city?

On Job 1:12, we see how God instructs Satan on what he is to do to Job. It is clear from Satan's response that he did not have the authority to do as he pleased. If he did, why would he accept the limits God placed on Him? Why did he even show up to God? Did he just want to have a nice chat over Tortillas and Enchiladas? What did Jesus say to Peter, Lk 22:31, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail."

Did Satan ask to ruin God's creation? if not, why would he ask permission to go after Peter? Did he ask permission to go after Adam and Eve? When Jesus cast the demons out of a demented man, what happened? They asked Christ for permission to enter the pigs, Lk 8. See Job 38:33-35, "Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's e dominion over the earth? Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?

Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?"