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  • T Levis - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 1 year ago
    Job 12:16, Job 12:9-22, Colossians 1:18-29,

    Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4, Jude 1, Zechariah 3, 1Chronicles 21:1, Job 1, Job 2, Matthew 4:10, Mark 1:13, Luke 4, Luke 22, John 13,

    Mark 4:15, Luke 13:16, Acts 5, notice Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5, - Acts 5:13, 1Corinthians 7:5, 2Corinthians 11:13,14, 2Thessalonians 2:9, John 7:24, Romans 14:13,

    Acts 26:18, Romans 16:20, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 20, Psalms 98:9,

    James 1:5,

    Hopefully these give you wisdom
  • GiGi - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 1 year ago
    Hi Michael, I believe that we are only asked to forgive other humans in Scriptures. I do not recall anywhere where we are asked to forgive fallen angels. The forgiveness we grant to one another is meant to improve human relationships and interactions, to heal and restore fellowship among humans, and for us to show mercy to one another as God has shown mercy to us and forgave our sins. God has not shown mercy or forgiveness to any fallen angels.
  • Michael Lim on Matthew 3 - 1 year ago
    Could I ask a question that I am really confused? God told us to be forgiving. But can we forgive Satan? You may say Satan did something really bad. But people did it too. We need forgive people, why don't we forgive Satan? I know Satan is Ghost created by God, have a free will. (I am a protestant who is already been baptized.)
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 38 - 1 year ago
    John 15:2, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17,18,19, Matthew 12:33, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 6, Luke 8, Galatians 5:22,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 65 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 65. This Psalm has several prophetic overtones; both of the first coming and Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Verse 2 reminds us of Haggai 2:7 as the "desire of nations" shall come. Again; we see specifically mentioned those who are in prayer and God "hearest" them. God does not heed to the prayers of the wicked ( Prov. 15:8); this of course can be extended to those in rebellion. Christ is NOT desired of men ( Isaiah 53:3) in our natural state; and to understand the beauty of the love the Father extended to us who was pleased to "crush His Son" ( Isaiah 53:10) while we were yet enemies is something beyond our comprehension.

    1 Samuel 13 shows how David was chosen; much like the verse 4 in this Psalm. Certainly Christ was chosen as well to fulfill all righteousness ( Matthew 3:13) and His baptism was part of the plan.

    Verse 5 is somewhat indicative of the scenario during His judgments; although there through the rest of the Psalm generally gives God's blessings through the natural cycle with tides (verse 7) and weather patterns of rain v. 9-12; and the resulting harvest (v. 13). These will; of course be brought to the greatest fruition during the Millennial period and we will see an end to much destruction with natural disasters; notwithstanding those who refuse to come to Jerusalem to worship shall have no rain. ( Zech. 14:8).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Guy.

    In John 1:29 John sees Jesus and says "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    And then in John 1:33 John says Jesus "is he which shall baptize with the Holy Ghost.

    BAPTISM MEANS TO IDENTIFY WITH or IDENTIFICATION.

    John's baptism was to Identify the Jews with the coming covenant which would be brought in by Christ death. see Hebrews 9:15-17.

    Jesus baptism was Identifying with us. see Romans 6:3-6.

    Jesus was baptized because He was taking our place. This reveals His perfect identification with us; He took the place of the sinners.

    The account in Matthew 3:15 Jesus says it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness"

    He was made "sin for us, who knew no sin" ( 2 Corinthians 5:21). I think the explanation is found in that. He's identifying Himself with the human family in the baptism.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Guy,

    I can speak a little on Jesus' baptism. I do agree with the things GiGi has shared in that the triune nature of God was revealed during His baptism.

    But as far as Jesus being baptized to be cleansed of sin, you are correct in saying He has no sin. So we can rule out that as being the purpose for His baptism.

    If we look at Matthew Chapter 3, we see Jesus coming to John to be baptized by him. But John didn't want to do it.

    In Matthew 3:15, Jesus answers and says to John, allow it to be for now, for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered, (or allowed) Him.



    Notice it says becomes "us" to fulfill all righteousness.



    It is the fulfillment of Exodus 29:4. to fulfill all righteousness! And there are some things that are very interesting about Jesus' coming.



    At 30 years of age, that is the age of the priesthood. According to Numbers 4:30, it was 30 years of age.



    The priest had to go through a MIKVEH, (a baptism). They had to be baptized from head to toe. The washing, or the MIKVEH of the priesthood is in Exodus Chapter 29 Verse 4.



    But, Moses was supposed to do the baptizing! That is interesting because here is John the baptizer standing there and Jesus says this is for "us" to fulfill all righteousness.



    And so John is stepping in the place of Moses and baptizing Jesus for the priesthood. The anointing of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:7. They were anointed with oil.



    Now all of this information is to bring us back to our text. Jesus was 30 years of age, and in order for Him to officially, according to the law, enter into His priesthood according to the Jews, He would have to be baptized.

    So that is why He was baptized, not to be cleansed from sin, as you rightfully said, but to fulfill a requirement for Him to enter into His ministry.
  • Lthornsburg73 - In Reply on Luke 3 - 2 years ago
    Why did Jesus get baptized? Matthew 3:15...And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Then he suffered (baptized) him.

    Jesus was our example. He did no sin, but he went through the process he expects us to go through. As for the Holy Ghost, it appeared in the bodily shape of a dove. And remember God spoke saying, "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." What this shows you is God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost (or as some say, The Trinity). God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God. They are two seperate beings.

    John 1:1...In the beginning was the Word (notice the capitalization), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    I submit to you God as in God the Son. Not God the Father. I have the same last name as my father, but I'm NOT my father. Hopefully that makes sense.

    Genesis 1:26...And God said, Let us (us means more than one, so who else was he talking to? Jesus! Remember, he was from the beginning) make man in OUR (there's another word that means more than one) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have ominion...
  • Saint Craig - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Anything that doesn't have eternal value is corrupted. Anything that has been touched by sin has been corrupted. All mankind can achieve a crown as a reward of his doings but with no eternal value. Corruption carries a death sentence with a rot that will corrupt what it comes in contact with. Just as in Adam all have sinned and have been corrupted through the deceit of self-righteousness (pride) as their crown of glory. Only "in Christ" is incorruption found and honored as pleasing as voice by God himself ( Matthew 3:17). Christ alone is God's only means of righteous standing before Him as Holy and acceptable, therefore without the "crown" of Christ righteousness you have no righteousness of your own to be in the presence of the only Holy Righteous God. You must understand simple terminology laid out in the KJV bible which many times is lost or left out in other versions such as "in", "of". Example: we are saved and live by faith "in" Christ, but we are to walk by the faith "of" Christ (Rom.3:22, Gal.2:16, Phil.3:9). Remember small words can carry a lot of meaning. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth must be an essential in understanding (2Tim.2:15 and this verse you find changed in other versions) the Bible. In short, the crown is your reward of life, and all will receive a crown; the unrighteous (in Adam as the lost) to everlasting destruction (resulting in hell and separation from God b/c of rejecting Christ for salvation) and the righteous (as the saved and sanctified in Christ) unto Eternal life (with God).
  • Jacqui - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Just a quick point , three times in the Gospel of John , Jesus Himself refers to the Holy Ghost as the Spirit of Truth . That's very powerful to me and it how I always perceive the Holy Spirit , God is the Everlasting source of all Truth .
  • GiGi - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Ellyn, you can read my response to Jacqui for some ideas that may help you understand Who the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are within the One Godhead. Jesus tells us in Matthew 28:29 that Christian baptism is to be done in the name of the Godhead: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He was speaking this revelation to His apostles before He ascended back up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God, the Father. These apostles were Jewish and Judaism and Israelites in the O.T. believed in One God, as God states in the "Shema" in Deuteronomy 6:4-5. These apostles would need Jesus' teaching and the that of the Holy Spirit to come to understand and believe that this One God of their Scriptures (O.T.) consists of Three Persons in One Being, with all three possess this One Divine Essence, yet are distinct from One Another. In this verse ( Matthew 28:19) Jesus reveals that this One LORD of the Shema is a reality of Three Persons in One God. So, when the apostles were taught this by Jesus and given understanding and faith to believe it by the Holy Spirit, they understood the Shema more truthfully than they had been taught about it from the rabbis. Hear, O Israel, the LORD (YHWH) our God, the LORD (duet. 6:4-5) YHWH) is one God here in Deuteronomy was teaching the Israelites that there is only one God, not many, like the pagans believed in the world with them. Jesus, in Matthew 20:19 teaches the Apostles and all believers that this ONE God is not many Gods (as the Shema teaches) but then three Persons in One Godhead.

    Let us know if you have more questions, Ellyn. This topic comes up often on here. You can look under the Bible Questions tab and click on "Is God a Trinity?" link to read more. You can go to sites like Got Questions, Compelling Truth and Test All Things asking "How is God One Being, yet Three Persons?" for more good information.
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Jacqui, I just noticed a possible misunderstanding. I'm reading Giannis's quote:

    "God is one but there are 3 distinct persons which are called The Father, The Son(who became the man Jesus Christ) and The Holly Spirit."

    And now I'm reading your quote:

    "I believe something slightly different to Gianni's . I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a separate being from God . This is not a common belief amongst Christians but I can assure you it's not exactly unheard of either . "

    He didn't use the word separate and didn't say anything was separate from God, either, but distinct within God. Deuteronomy 6:4 says God is one. There's only one God. And within the one God 1 John 5:7 says there are 3 parts. The 3 are still one. This is what most Christians believe because this is what the Bible says.

    All 3 components of one God are already spirits. God the Father is a spirit, God the Son (Jesus) is a spirit, and the Holy Spirit is a spirit.

    By your comment, within one God do you only believe in only 2 parts within one God instead of 3 parts within one God like 1 John 5:7 says? God bless.
  • Jacqui - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello . I believe something slightly different to Gianni's . I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is a separate being from God . This is not a common belief amongst Christians but I can assure you it's not exactly unheard of either . The Spirit of the Lord or the Spirit of God is a very common phrase in the Old Testament and even pops up in the New . There are very many references that I could give but I will just give a few . If you have a concordance you can look these things up for yourself . Genesis 1 : 2 , Genesis 6 : 3 , Genesis 41 : 38 , Exodus 32 : 3 , Exodus 35 : 31 , Numbers 11 : 29 , Numbers 24 : 2 , Judges 3 : 10 , Judges 6 : 35 , Judges 11 : 29 , Judges 13 : 25 , Judges 14 : 6 , 1st Samuel 16 : 13 , 2nd Samuel 23 : 2 . Matthew 10 : 20 , Matthew 12 : 28 , Luke 4 : 18 , John 15 : 26 . Acts 8 : 39 , Romans 8 : 9 , Romans 8 : 14 , Romans 15 : 19 , 1st Corinthians 3 : 16 , 1st John 4 : 2 . There are a lot more . I hope my reply hasn't confused you , best thing to do is to read everything through for yourself , God wants you to know and understand His Truth and He will help you to do so . Enjoy your voyage of discovery .
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Dear Ellyn

    God is one but there are 3 distinct persons which are called The Father, The Son(who became the man Jesus Christ) and The Holly Spirit. But still God is one, not 3 Gods, not a God with somehow 3 heads. One God, but 3 persons (of the same nature). It is difficult for us people to understand this since there is nothing respective to that in our world but we have to believe it and accept it simply as we hear it. Many things will only be revealed to us in the future, in Heaven. So The Holly Spirit is a person, not a thing. Every person of the Godhead or Trinity (other names of the triune God) has a distinctive work that performs in the church and in the world. GBU
  • Ellyn Wood on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    What is the Holy Ghost? I have never been clear on this. In church when I was a child we would say "I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost". What is the Holy Ghost?

    Thank you
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Mark 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dr Lyle Lee.

    I agree with you on the two Gospels being preached. Where some get confused is they think that means there's 2 means to salvation. But that's not so.

    HERE'S A ARTICLE FROM J VERNON MCGEE ON THIS.

    ( This may take several posts)

    Part 1.

    The gospel of the kingdom is the preaching of John the Baptist: "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 3:2). We do not preach that gospel today. The Lord Jesus preached it when He first began (see Matthew 4:17), and He sent His disciples out, saying, "Goto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 10:6,7). These men went out and preached that, but the day came when that changed. After His death and resurrection He said, "Don't just go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but go now to the world" (see Mark 16:15). And to the world was to be preached the gospel of Christ. Paul mentions in Romans 15:19, "I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." Read his epistles and you'll find that the gospel he preached was that of the death and resurrection of Christ. He wrote to the Corinthians and said, "I delivered unto you first of all the gospel. And the gospel I preach is the one that you believed in, the one that saved you." Well, what is it, Paul? It's "that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" ( 1 Corinthians 15:3). That's the gospel, it's nothing but the gospel, and nothing else is the gospel. Even if an angel from heaven appears to you and preaches any other gospel, Paul says let him be accursed! (See Galatians 1:8.) Because there's only one gospel that we are to preach today. We do not preach the gospel of the kingdom. I wish we could get that through today to a great many who are talking about the gospel of the kingdom.

    See part 2.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The same account recorded in : Matthew 3:17,

    Mark 1:11, context Mark 1, Luke 3:22, 2Peter 1:16-18, 1st hand account, witnessed

    Also, Luke 9:34 context Luke 9:27-36, Mark 9:7, context Mark 9, Matthew 17:5, context Matthew 17, Luke 3,

    Romans 8, 1John 4:15, Galatians 4:7, 1John 5:10,13,20,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Henry - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Stuart. One other point I do not believe Romans 13: 1-8 the powers that be is

    Talking about Government because it says ordained of God. It is written in the

    Context to the church of God and those powers are apostles prophets evangelists

    Pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints. Also Timothy says to

    Pray for those in government that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life.
  • Henry - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Stuartwe are called to pray and teach and minister to those who choose to

    Believe our calling is not to change government or politics because they are

    Always influenced by the adversary. As I like to say each one win one. In

    Pennsylvania there was a Christian who made to be a state representative

    And quit one month later because of the corruption, esp. in so called other

    Christian's. There is way too much compromise in politics.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    Stuart, you are right in that we should not give politics first place in our lives, nor expect any form of redemption nor favor from any particular political party. God does set in place governments for the carrying forth of His will in history.

    We are to certainly exercise our rights and participate wisely in the governance of our nation and communities. We should certainly pray earnestly for our elected officials to govern righteously and with proper attention to the needs of their constituents. We should become as informed as we can about issues and candidates so that we make wise voting decisions as well as in informing others on such matters.

    But, as you imply, we are to not look to government to deliver to us a nation that acknowledges God as sovereign over all and a peace in our nation that comes from a citizenry that walks with God. It is God that provides these things. We certainly should pray and also witness to the salvation of Jesus to those God brings to us. We can certainly voice our faith in Jesus and encourage others to seek Him. We can certainly live godly lives in a wicked generation. And we can certainly trust that God can deliver us from all that is opposed to Him.

    Passivity is not the best way to bring about any change for the better in our country. Active participation in the arena of politics (on whatever level one is called to) is effective. We exercise our rights as fully as we can in order to make inroads for godly thoughts and policies in our government and in our communities. We speak up and give a godly world view concerning political and social matters. We inform ourselves and and pass on information about issues facing our nation. God will bless our input into these arenas as we stay true to the Word and His ways in our speech and actions. We are the light that shines into the darkness of unredeemed hearts in hopes that these may see their sinfulness and the error of their world views. We pray for God to bring repentance and faith
  • Stuart T Lyons on Matthew 3 - 2 years ago
    The lord my God has pricked me and said to tell all people that he is displeased with their idol worship of their political parties(they have attempted to seize power for their own purposes)in which i says the Lord Jesus have not,and certainly not granted them permission!
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Bonnie. Matthew 3:10 & Luke 3:9 give us this message. It was spoken by John the Baptist to those who came to see what he was doing at the Jordan River. And his message was, 'you, who are resting on your Jewish heritage to be guaranteed God's favor, think again - God is able to reject any who don't come to Him in true repentance & with a change of life, & will accept those, even non-Israelites, who do come to Him in His Way' (just a loose translation).

    So the 'axe that is laid to the root of the trees': this signifies that this will be God's Judgement of cutting down & discarding even those who have been blessed as are called the children of God, since these very ones are not trusting God for their position & redemption, but trusting in their heritage & not living out lives that are worthy & fruitful. These 'trees' God will cut down with His Axe of Judgement, right at the root so that nothing can grow from it again; and John the Baptist's coming (and as a forerunner to Jesus Christ), was to do exactly that: to separate those in God's flock from those who aren't - as also those abiding in the Vine & those who want to be for their own reason - but these will be soon plucked from the branch for lack of fruit (i.e no evidence of faith & no fruit from being nourished by God through Jesus ( John 15:1-8)).
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalms 139, Deuteronomy 4:30-40,

    Words of Jesus : John 10:15,16, Matthew 15:24, Matthew 18:10-14, John 3:16, Romans 8,

    Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Robert.

    John baptism was the baptism of repentance.

    Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that THEY should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

    John was preparing the way for Israel.

    Israel trusted in the promise to Abraham made them children of Abraham because the Kinsman of the flesh. The repentance John preached was to turn them from that and turn them to Christ. "FROM UNBELIEF TO BELIEF."

    Note: Matthew 3:9-11 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

    And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

    God bless.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother John:

    Isn't everyone a unbeliever before they are a believer?

    Isn't everyone a liar?

    Isn't everyone fearful?

    The lake of fire is Christ.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    If your in Christ and Christ is in you; then your in the FIRE.

    Matthew 3:11 ....and he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

    Malachi 3:2 And who shall abide the day of his coming (Christ in you, Colossians 1:27, baptised into his name)? and who can stand when he (TRUTH and LIFE, John 14:6) appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire and a fullers soap.

    Malachi 3:3 And he shall set (in you) as a refiner and purifier of silver: that YOU may offer unto the Lord an offering in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    God Bless You.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Romans 6:3-7 (Part 2)

    I can get water baptized until I am water logged and it isn't going to do anything for me spiritually. It's just water on the outside of the body. Water baptism cannot produce the ministry Spirit of God. And if I look through this chapter, it's talking about being delivered from sin, dying to sin, and being born into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. You don't do that through water. It's through the Spirit of God!



    Spirit baptism, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is the name of the ministry of Jesus Christ. I know the term has been misused today so a lot of people try and stay away from the term "Baptism of the Spirit." But in Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance."

    John's baptism is different than Christian baptism. His was for the Jews that they would repent at the coming of Messiah. He says I baptize you water unto repentance, (not remission of sin), but He that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear, He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire. This is Jesus' ministry, to baptize us with His Spirit. The fire represents judgment. But we become a member of the body of Christ the moment we are saved and that is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

    In Galatians 3:27, it says "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ." So the baptism is parallel to and synonymous with putting on Christ, salvation, and receiving Christ. I have to understand this from Paul's perspective. Paul is the one that taught about Spiritual baptism being salvation, and the time that you come into the body of Christ. It is the Lord's ministry, and it is sad that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is misunderstood today and mistaught which takes away from the very function for which it is supposed to serve.

    To be fair, I am going to look some more at Colossians 2:12. I may still be on the fence with that one. I hope you have a great day!
  • Bro dan - In Reply on Acts 1 - 2 years ago
    Ronnette,

    The truth is out! Do you believe the words of Jesus?

    This comes direct from the mouth of Jesus. Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

    Do you believe the words of Apostle Peter? Peter speaks directly about when we are baptized we receive God's Holy Spirit! Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

    So, Jesus tells us we must believe and be baptized to be saved. The Apostle Peter whom Jesus Christ built His Church on told us that when we repent, and get baptized, we receive "the gift of the Holy Ghost". Jesus gets baptized to show us how it is done - with water! Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" What is the spirt of God? It is the Holy Spirit!

    As a Christian (A Christ Follower) doesn't it just make sense to follow Jesus words and his actions?

    The difference between the water baptism of John and the Water Baptism of Jesus Christ, is that we now receive the promise of the Holy Spirit - per Jesus Christ, and per Peter! From the very beginning of The Church water baptism was the requirement, and is still the requirement today. Jesus and all of the original Apostles (including Paul) didn't change the water baptism requirement.

    So, now when we follow the above scripture it all ties together and we comply with the instruction from Jesus speaking to us here; John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

    If someone thinks that water baptism is no longer required today, they are ignoring the above scripture and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    GBU
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Yes brother, I did re-read Luke 7:29,30; & apologies for the delayed reply (I didn't receive an email alert). But what I did read in that passage was that the people, including the publicans, believed John's coming & baptizing work from God. However, the Pharisees & Lawyers rejected it, therefore refused to be baptized. So was it God's Counsel (or, Will) that the application of John's baptism to the people be the same as Jesus' baptism?

    As stated earlier, I believe that John's baptism of the penitent was very different to Jesus' baptism by John. The first, was for sinners to visibly indicate their spiritual need & in some way acknowledging that John (i.e. his calling & work) was a prelude/an announcer to another One coming Who would come to usher in the Kingdom & perform another type of baptism ( Matthew 3:1-3,11). Even John was perplexed as to why Jesus would come to him to be baptized since, of all people, Jesus definitely did not fit the reason for his baptism.

    Since that part is clear to me (i.e. of the different baptisms of the people & Jesus), one could be better served to discuss what Jesus meant when He said, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness (v15)". Yes, baptism was a command, but was it the same command given for the people & Jesus alike, or was Jesus' need to be baptized prompted by a totally different 'command', motive, & resulting fall-out? I realize that the answers we give to this question can only be from our personal understanding/Spirit's leading, since no verse gives specific detail on it.

    And to add another thought: what if some people gathered around John refused, or despised, his baptism, but later on came to realize their sinful condition when seeing the Life of Jesus & His Works & hearing His Words - would they be rejected now because they refused John's baptism? I guess, another moot question.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Part 1

    Hi Chris, lets talk about John's baptism.

    I will start with Paul meeting those disciples in Ephesus. He asked them if they were baptized in the Spirit after they were baptized in water (should they?). They answered that they never heard of the HS. He asks them in what name were they baptized (how come they never heard of the HS since in baptism we are baptised in the name of F and S and the HS, this being another evidence that believers were not baptised just in the name of Jesus). They said they were bapt. John's baptism. And he says Acts 19:4 "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance ..." So John's bapt. was a bapt. of repentance. If you make a search about that you will find out that John's bapt. was done as follows. The person to be bapt. went into the river until his waist was submerged, then he stayed like that and started confessing his sins and when he finished confessing he dived in the water and rised. That was the ritual.

    There is a detail in Jesus' bapt. that if one is not aware will not notice.

    Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water:..." Jesus went up straight away. He had nothing to confess, no sin at all. He went into the river and immediately dived and came up.

    That is why John tried to prevent Him from being baptized. John knew that Jesus had no sins, there wasn't a reason for Him to be baptized. It was useless for Him. But what did Jesus said " they had to fulfill all righteousness. But why, He had no sin. No reason to be baptized. Because it was a commandment from God and He had to obey although that didn't have any usefulness for Him. Now if Jesus obeyed, shouldn't we? Notice please that Jesus started His ministry with baptism. All other things followed that. But we have gone through these before. You ask many questions like if smd is in death bed and has no time to be baptized. I don't have the right answer to that but my ignorance doesn't cancel the word of God.
  • Bro dan - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Bro Giannis,

    One of the Main Events in the bible. Jesus is baptized and receives the Holy Spirit and it pleases God! If this isn't a learning teachable event for us - nothing is! Jesus provided us with his examples to follow, hence as Christ followers we should be striving to follow Him.

    Matthew 3:16

    "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"

    Jesus shows us how it is done, and if He does it, and instructs everyone to do it, where do we improve our standing with God - if we ignore His command?

    Jesus commands the diciples to baptize believers.

    Matthew 28:19

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

    If the apostles would have ignored Jesus command to baptize would this have been good for them? If all of the apostles, including Paul believed that baptism was required, why should we believe any different than they?

    Peter tells us that when we repent, and submit to baptism we receive the Holy Spirit.

    Acts 2:38

    "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

    So, Jesus/God tells us in so much scripture, that when we believe, repent, and get baptized - we are forgiven of our sins, and we receive the Holy Spirit!

    The above scripture is so easy to understand, even a child can understand the need to follow God's instructions regarding this issue.

    GBU


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