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Matthew 28:19- (Words of Jesus about baptism)
Matthew 3:13-17
Jesus set an EXAMPLE of baptism for us and all three (tri-unity) were there. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, all together, at the baptism. Jesus always led by example.
I am not seasoned in the word YET as are most of y'all, but I do know enough to know that the Bible says this;
Revelation 22:18
Revelation 22:19
With emphasis on revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
If we were to compare water baptism today with how it was done back in Jesus' day, there wouldn't be much resemblance. I am not aware of any church that performs baptisms the same way it was done back then. Baptism back then would be complete full immersion.
It is very interesting how these baptism's worked. The person who was performing the baptism (In this case, John the Baptist), they would never touch the person being baptized. So Jesus went into the water alone. John would just be there to witness it. The person being baptized would be responsible for pulling them self under the water and the witness would be there to make sure that all of you went under, hair and everything!
Everything had to be immersed and you had to be immersed three times. Even to this day the Jews immerse three times in their baptism. The Jews had no idea why they immersed 3 times for their baptism. But after Messiah came, and when He gave the believing Jews the commission to go out and preach the gospel to the Gentiles, He said, baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three times for the Trinity. Interesting background!
As for Matthew 3:11, the fire represents judgment, and we get that from the very next verse ( Matthew 3:12) where is says "But He (Christ) will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. So Christ is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is the Lord's ministry. He baptizes people with the Holy Spirit.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:10 that we have been all baptized by one Spirit and all made to drink of the one Spirit, and we have been baptized into the body of Christ. When the Lord ministers His Spirit, when He gives His Spirit to people, that is called "the baptism of the Holy Spirit."
So fire is judgment! He is going to baptize people (Those who have rejected Him) with fire in the judgment. But He is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is His ministry.
Jesus taught us many things while on this earth, including why we need to be baptized, and exactly how we need to perform the baptisim.
Matthew 3:16
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
Yes, Jesus was submerged.
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
If we are Christ followers, we will listen to His instructions, and follow Jesus.
Regarding your question about Matthew 3:11 John the Baptist is stating that: he (Jesus) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
On the day of Pentecost, after His resurection, Jesus did send the Holy Spirit to baptize believers and the evidence of the Holy Spirit that day is found in Acts 2:3-4 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
So, I believe that John the Baptists reference to fire in Matthew 3:11 may have referred to the future purification that would come with Christ's baptism as observed above, with the cloven tongues like of fire in conjunction with receiving the Holy Spirit during Pentecost.
Hope this helps, and God bless.
What is meant by baptized by fire, Matthew 3:11?
Thank you for your help
Mark 1:1-5 : Exodus 15:2, Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 11:10, Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Luke 7:27,
Vrs 6.- compare: Jeremiah 13:1-11, 2Kings 1:8,
Mark 1:13, : Psalms 106:14, Matthew 4:1, Luke 4:2,
Mark 1:14, : Luke 3,
Mark 1:44, : Leviticus 10:10, Leviticus 13,
Isaiah 11:1-4,
This event was a prophesy fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled over 100 prophesies just on the day He was crucified; and when he was entombed.
A good Reference Bible lists them as you read along. It enriches your whole study experience.
What's amazing is that the Rabbi's knew of those Old Testament prophesies, but few put it together then.
Lists of the Old Testament and New Testament prophesies can be viewed on Google. Also with the scriptures that show Jesus's life fulfilled all of them. Thinking of the odds of that happening will make you say WOW!!
Jesus knew that Judas was the betrayer.
Then knowing John the son "of priests, blameless " would declare such a thing is Powerful, maybe that's why the "teachers of the law" were so._._. Matthew 3:1-17, Mark 1:1-11, John 1:1-34,
I thought it interesting that Jesus being related to the Priest was significant Luke 1:36,41,43,
Luke 1:48 Mary likewise with Elizabeth (& John lept for joy) felt not worthy even before Jesus birth.
To add to discussion hopefully this is welcome
Do you believe Jesus is Lord and died for you for the hope of salvation?
John 5:22-24 these verses might be interesting to read.
You said that John 1:1 doesn't say Jesus is God, but it does. I broke it down before, but it seems we are not on the same wavelength.
There are many verses saying Jesus is God in various ways, but no where in the Bible anywhere does it say Jesus is not God. Not only that but Jesus never once said He was not God. So, it seems unusual to arrive at such a conclusion with no evidence for it and with all the evidence for the opposite.
Have you carefully read the whole chapter of John 1?
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Since you don't think the Word is Jesus, who else do you think the Word is?
Who else do you think fits that description of being sent to earth in the flesh, to live among us, and to die on the cross for our sins?
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John 3:28 John said "I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him."
Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
That clear sign along with the voice made it obvious that Jesus was He.
John 1:29 John acknowledges it is Jesus: Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:36 "And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!"
Do you believe Jesus is the Lamb of God as it says?
The next chapter Matt 4:7 Jesus is tempted and says to satan: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." There again Jesus refers to Himself as Lord and God. Do you agree?
Do you believe these scriptures?
I will gladly read all books inspired by the Holy Ghost. And pray for them to come out. I write too, but that's my life. Which no one can believe or measure up to. We all have our cramps and frailties. Our cases that are only private. Then there are some people who have (do not believe in themselves) But believe that others can be saved through them. : D.
I think about the Bible too. Why do we only get a little of what Peter wrote, for example? We should have read more of the scriptures!
Now i know a person who has many visions and wonders to look at. And is blessed with many gifts. (do you know what word I got today)?
2 Corinthians 1-13.
Nor will i brag and praise myself. And neither do you. For all things are for the glory of God in the holy name of Jesus Christ, by the Holy Ghost which is in us.
Yesterday when i lifted you up before the Lord, He spoke to me and i will do an act of faithfulness to Him today. I should notice the time.
And i got peace for that. So my friend keep your faith and continue on the path of faith that the Lord has laid out for you. He is with you all the days of your life. Be blessed in the Powerful Name of Jesus.
then your thought of changing scripture so wisdom says don't go there. You can't upset an apple cart if you dont
supply more apples.
sounds odd I'm getting hungry.
One could google that and find out if what I am saying is true or not. I encourage people to read up on what Christian history shows to be the meaning and type when it speaks of baptizing, which means to immerse in or pour water over a person.
But
Many on here will argue against this because they don't want the text to mean water baptism due to their desire to have it mean something different. That is why I suggest someone research it outside of the comments on this site if one wants to really find the answer.
Back in those days they had what was called the threshing floor. What they would do was they would gather their crops in and they would grind it on the threshing floor, and the grain would separate from the chaff. And then they would take a shovel, a winnowing fork, a winnowing fan, and they throw it up in the air. And the grain would only travel a certain distance but the chaff would blow even further away.
By the time they finished this process, they would have two separate piles on the floor. One pile goes into the barn, and the other one you burn. What this is talking about is that with Jesus, either you are going to get baptized with His spirit, because that's the name of his ministry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit, or the fire of judgment. He will separate the wheat from the chaff.
As for what baptism is Paul talking about in Romans Chapters 5 and 6, he is presenting to us the process of salvation, and the baptism he mentions in Romans Chapter 6 is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
chaff ? Why use a word like that?
And all friends and Jesus loving ppl. I have a word for U. From Romans 5 and 6 chapter.
What baptism is Paul talking about here?
Many thanks in advance in Jesus Christ. Be blessed in the Holy Name above all names Amen.
Thanks for your response. Respectfully, you are ignoring these simple verses spoken by Jesus:
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Jesus tells us plainly that "we must be born of water" and "of the Spirit". If not, we CAN NOT enter into the Kingdom of God!
God came down to earth to be born as a person in Jesus, so that he could not only tell us what he expects us to do, but he came to be an example. Jesus didn't need to be baptized, but he did, why, TO SHOW US!
Matthew 3:16-17
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Jesus personally showed us in this scripture above that when we believe, repent, and get baptized, we do receive his Holy Spirit. Jesus probably foresaw that there would be future times that people would question his commands - just like some today that are questioning water baptism. Well, he gives us his "perfect example" of what he wants and commands us to do! Christians can't ignore the above scripture!
Bro Alex, are you also going to ignore this scripture Jesus instructing his apostles below:
Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jesus says above in addition to baptizing; "observe all things whatsoever I have commanded of you". Jesus tells us that if we follow him - he will be with us always - until the end of the world!
Alex, I'm not instructing you to do these things - Jesus is instructing you - Read and Believe!
Again you are arguing the wrong narrative.
If not you haven't supplied any scripture supporting you MUST be water baptized to be saved!!
However
We see the transition starting with John the baptist as the for runner.
Matthew 3:8-11.
John's baptism was the baptism of repentance. what was it they needed to turn from? Judaism!!
How did he baptize? With water!
Was it for salvation? No he was preparing the way for salvation. Matthew3:9. Suggest their confidence was in being children of Abraham and the seal of circumcision.
Verse 10 " The axe is laid at the root!!
There goes the degenerate vine, on comes the true vine or genuine vine. One Jews and Gentiles will be joined to. now we see a transition taken place. They were Identified with Judaism by circumcision, now they are to be Identified to Christ by baptism. And to express there belief by water baptism as the Jews did by circumcision.
Then comes Jesus to be baptized by John. For salvation? YES, OURS!!
He was to fulfill all righteousness!
He was Identifying with all who would come to him. He was going to bare our sins on the cross.
GiGi. There has never been a tread where I said I believe a Christian shouldn't be baptized.
I'VE SAID IT WASN'T FOR SALVATION.
You are correct, and a wonderful explanation on why as a Christian we should receive baptism as instructed by Christ. I agree, that water baptism has been the norm even before, and then during the 1st century church up to and including the present day!
Jesus instructs us to be baptized, and shows us here, how we should be baptized and the manner in which we receive the Holy Spirit:
Matthew 3:16
"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
Jesus gave us many wonderful examples for us to follow, and Christ followers will follow Christ, and no one else!
God Bless.
Baptize 'in' water", "Baptize 'in' the Holy Spirit". And [with] fire. The term "fire" is used in Mt 3:10, and there means a destroying agency; it is used again in Mt 3:12 in the same sense; it is used in Mt 3:11, also, the intervening verse, and must be used in exactly the same sense as in the other two verses. It cannot mean a curse in Mt 3:10,12, and a blessing in Mt 3:11, without a word of explanation. It is strange, therefore, that all commentators should not agree that the baptism of fire is a baptism of trial and suffering. There were two classes before John. Some would repent and be baptized finally in the Holy Spirit; there were others who would remain impenitent, and be baptized in the awful trials that would come upon Israel. Mt 3:12 explains this. John says in it that there is the wheat and the chaff; one shall be gathered into the garner and the other burned.
Wesley's Notes for Matthew 3:11
He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with FIRE- He shall fill you with the Holy Ghost, inflaming your hearts with that fire of love, which many waters cannot quench. And this was done, even with a visible appearance as of fire, on the day of pentecost.
Matthew 3:12 should be taken together with Matthew 3:11. John says, "I indeed baptize you with water but there is one coming after me who baptizes with the Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit and fire."
So the question comes up about what is the fire?
If you stop there at verse 11, you can go in many different directions with all the theories out there, but if you just read one more verse ( Matthew 3:12), it answers it for us.
It says "Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
He, Christ, is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is the Lord's ministry. He baptizes people with the Holy Spirit.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:10 that we have been all baptized by one Spirit and all made to drink of the one Spirit, and we have been baptized into the body of Christ.
When the Lord ministers His Spirit, when He gives His Spirit to people, that is called "the baptism of the Holy Spirit."
So fire is judgment! He is going to baptize people with fire in the judgment. But He is going to baptize His people with the Holy Spirit. That is His ministry.
The threshing floor in Luke 3:17 is used as an example. What they would do is they would gather the crops in and they would grind it on the threshing floor, and the grain would separate from the chaff, and then they would take a shovel, a winnowing fork, a winnowing fan, and they throw it up in the air. And the grain would only travel a certain distance but the chaff would blow even further away.
By the time you got through with this process you got two piles. One goes into the barn, and the other one you burn. He is saying that's the way it is. With Jesus, either you are going to get baptized with His spirit, because that's His ministry. He will baptize you either with the Holy Spirit, or the fire of judgment.