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Your ideas are pretty much aligned with my own I am happy to say as I was disturbed by the response to my quest that I received form the representative of the Pope.

Maybe I am not so far adrift in my thinking after all.

Best regards

Roy

Good morning Roy,

I am not really sure of your question to me, but I think you are seeking knowledge about heaven and what it will be like for us believers. I am glad that you have the hope of heaven in you and so it awaits you and I when we die.

The Scriptures does not describe our heavenly existence in much detail, probably for good reason on God's part.

But Jesus said that He was going to prepare a place for us in John 14:2. He says that in our resurrection, our bodies will be reunited with our souls and spirit, but in a glorified way whereby our we will be immortal and incorruptible. So sin will no longer be found in us and we will live forever with God ( 1 Corinthians 15:35-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:17)

In heaven we will be completely satisfied with God has in store for us there. Our existence will be glorious, wanting for no good thing. We will not be solitary or alone, but have eternal fellowship with other believers and with God in Jesus Christ. We will see Jesus, and thus, since the Father and the Spirit dwell in Him, we will see God and worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

GiGi this is a second reply and addresses a different subject entirely - this concerns the concept og heaven and eternal life. We I try to get my head around this my mind boggles and my thoughts become more and more confused. I have reached out through the internet toward the offices of the leaders of the Church of England and to the Pope and the responses I have receive have been decidedly undefective and not in the least helpful.

Until I receive a rather airy fairy response from someone in the Roman Catholic Church I had a partially formed (but still very confused) image of something a kind to Old Testament drawings of GOD in his heaven surrounded by all the souls of mankind and I mean all the countless billions. In some way I would join this host and there I would again be united with all of the people that I loved on this earth and in some other unclear manner we would continue to "live" in total harmony with all every other sole in heaven in a wonderous existence of no stress and no pain, total equality under the blessing of OUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN and this in my mind would be represented on absolutely heavenly existence that would be infinite. It is because of this and my hope that GOD will forgive me my sins that I do not fear what happens after I die.

What is your view?

Roy

What is your view?Roy

Good morning Roy,

I am glad that you are benefiting from this site so much. I am, too!

To me, it does not matter what denomination we are here. What matters on this site to me is that we study the Scriptures and

learn from it with the help of the Holy Spirit. We also learn from bible study with friends or church groups, from our pastors and

teachers in our church. We also learn from sites that explain Christian viewpoints about Scripture. So, this is one avenue for us

to learn and share Scripture, spurring one another on in faith and knowledge of Christ. We come from varying denominations.

We don't all agree on all matters, but we try to understand each other and present our views as clearly as we are able from a

biblical perspective. We also pray for one another and build one another up with encouragement and sincere concern for one

another. It is a blessing to have this venue. Past generations lacked this but still were maintained in the true faith by the Holy

Spirit, as we are.

Glad to have you among us, Roy!

I have been received some great guidance from people since I started using this app to read the bible after very many years of not even thinking about the bible in my life.

I am now intrigued as to how you would classify yourselves in terms of a denomination, as in roman catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Baptist etc,?

Verse 21 you said, i know it comes from the heart just like your protection of the offspring of usury money and i know money is iron but if we serve like the greek word servus which means to labour for we have blasphemed God and make him angry in his jealousy it is not talking about worshiping or slaving like overworking for it but for working for it because the pharisees mocked Jesus afterwards because they were covetous .Now i dont think that the pharisees worshipped money.Do you?

Now as for the God Jesus working for money as you say to me it looks blasphemic as God provided for him because he preched that in Matthew 6:19-33.Jesus was no hypocrite to say and dont do it himself.We get this idea that for some time Jesus forsook his heavenly throne and then lived as a poor person to be raised again in glory to his Father who is in heaven and Jesus.In the bible it says the son of the carpenter not Jesus the carpenter.

Hi Alvin,

I agree with some of your points, but not your main conclusions. Here is an example: "Christians cannot work for money( Matthew 6:24)". Here two different things are conflated. The verse says you can't serve two masters. At the end it says you can't both serve God and mammon or weatlth. This verse is true of course and I fully believe it. For context you can read verse 21- where your heart is. It's talking about not money itself being evil, but your heart serving and slaving money... like making it a false god or idol.

Along the same theme I noticed you suggested that the root of evil is money, but that's also not what it says. The Bible says the "love" of money is the root of all kinds of evil. So we should not love it.

So, its not the product that is bad, but the condition of the heart that makes it bad. This is the same for many other sins, for example: idolatry, greed, lust, coveting, lying, hating ones neighbor or father or mother. These sins occur from conditions of the heart, not objects. This is supported by the life of Jesus as he had a job and worked as a carpenter. He make something of value to society and likely traded that for things He needed for living such as food, shelter, clothing. Likely there was a unit of currency used as a convenience for trade and currency is not inherently bad as it facilitates more accurate trade- otherwise its hard to trade 1/10 a house for 1/2 a horse, for example. There is no indication that Jesus grew food himself, or made His own clothes, or was 100% self sufficient, so it is a fairly safe assumption that Jesus traded and bought and sold to meet needs.

Matthew 22:19 - 22:22 - Jesus asked to see the money and said Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. He was for being a good steward of resources: Luke 14: 28-30, and the parable of the talents seems pro-investing. God bless.

Let me help you out with these two parts brother (by the way, I agree mostly with the above stated because you encourage all to live Holy as Christ ought for us to be):

"Christians cannot work for money( Matthew 6:24

Let's take a look at the first statement. Christians cannot work for money. All Christians (although I'll admit - I don't always like doing so) must work/labor. The Apostle Paul worked as a tent maker during his early years preaching. Genesis 3:19 is one curse brought upon man (for the sin man brought into the world) that all men must bare today:

"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Genesis 3:19

"Christians do Not pay taxes (Render to Caesar what is his and to God what belongs to Him, what belongs to God?)"

Christ looked at the denarian and realized this is a law of exchange of the world. God know we live in the world but we serve God in His Kingdom. God asked to render unto Caesar (taxes) what belongs to Caesar that all those who live in the world must give to the earthbound kingdom. Then Christ says what is rendered unto him which is to the Eternal Kingdom of God.

Either one of these may seem desirable but this home is temporary brother. Once we're rejoined with the Lord -- we'll only labor unto him and only render unto Christ Jesus. What a day that will be! I'll see you there and God bless you!

JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

He told us to sell all

Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

Luke 12:33 to the disciples

Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

And his disciples approve

Acts 2:44-45

Acts 4:33-34

Luke 18:28-30

Matthew 4:18-24

But who will go to heaven

Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

Luke 18:24-25

Mark 10:17-31

Matthew 5:3

Luke 6:20

James 2:5

But where does that put the rich?

Luke 6:24-25

James 5:1-3

What is the root of all evil?

1 timothy 6:10

Genesis 3

Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

Genesis 3:17-19

Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Luke 17:28

But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

Revelation 13

But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.

What does tbis mean?

1 Corinthians 7:21?

Pul does say that when you dont provide you are worse than and disbeliever but he doesnt say if you dont work to provide does he?

Yahweh Jireh?

When you answer anybody speaking about renouncing wealth think "what if he has done it?"

Not "he is challenging us lets ruin his life".

JESUS DOES SAY TO NOT WORK FOR MONEY MATTHEW 6:19-33

He always says sell everything to rich guys? Zaccheus sold half and other gave to cheated dudes.

Peter said"we left all to follow Jesus" luke 18:28-30?

Luke 11:41; luke 12:33; luke 14:33, 18:22 and other

Its prophecied! Buy with No Money! Eat freely without payment! Isaiah 55:1-5.

GOD is = GOD , Genesis 1,

GOD is = GOD ALMIGHTY, Genesis 17:1, Genesis 28:3, Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:3,

JEHOVAH, Exodus 6:3, FATHER : Matthew 23:9, Matthew 6:6-10, GOD of thy father, GOD of Abraham, GOD of Isaac, GOD of Jacob, Exodus 3:6,

Many times GOD is referred to by what HE has done: GOD that sees; Genesis 16:13, GOD that provides,

Hopefully this is helpful

Christians must forsake all wealth( Luke 14:33 Jesus says forsake it all)

Christians cannot work for money( Matthew 6:24)

Christians do Not pay taxes (Render to Caesar what is his and to God what belongs to Him, what belongs to God?)

Christians travel and trust in God for daily food(Mathew 6:20-33) that's what makes them different from all the world.

Christians live together 24/7 ( Acts 4:34-35) sharing everything in common( Acts 2:44-45).

Christians give to the needy in secret(Matthw 6)

Women can be leaders in the church but it is beter that all be as brothers and sisters.

If you are a Christian you own nothing in this world, as Paul says, and you are homeless as he says also, and you are the rags of this world, as Paul says. Choose Poverty not Wealth! Make Peace not War!

Christians are nonviolent ( Matthew 5:44-45).

Christians forgive as much as they can.

Thank you Roy. Every blessing.

Chris thank you taking the time to provide such a long and profound explanation. I had not considered faith as being the prime subject but with that in focus it all makes sense.

Regards

Roy

Hi Roy. I assume the passage you refer to is Matthew 6:25-34. I don't believe that the subject here is specifically on prayer, though that is certainly a part of it. In my understanding, the subject is rather on 'faith'. The examples that Jesus uses are that of the birds & the lilies, which are cared for & adorned by God, so that they can have no concern about the future.

In like manner, even though our physiology, our needs, & our responsibilities in this life are far more involved & advanced than birds & plants, the same principle should be applied: the principle of leaving our matters, of which we have no control, to God, the One Who has all things responsive to His Command. This is not to say that we sit by idly & await for blessings & provisions to fall to us - that won't happen, but that we work with our hands, see to the needs of the family & others, & if the Lord Will, to "establish the work of our hands upon us" ( Psalm 90:17): i.e. that God would fulfil our plans we make in accordance with His Will.

When work is going on well & a regular salary is coming in with debts being paid off, there seems no need to have faith, in light of the Matthew passage. Yet we understand that faith is expressed continually towards God, for the required health & strength to perform our work, for safety, for understanding, & for wisdom in correct apportioning of our resources. And for those with very little resources, or even none, God will reward their faith in Him, by providing their necessities in the right way at the right time. This Truth has been proven by many over the years, whether by those struggling in society, on the mission field, or being left destitute because of thieves or job loss. And here is the conflict: when such evil befalls us & we're at our lowest ebb, would we still "seek the kingdom of God & his righteousness" first? Ordinarily, No. But with the Spirit's Help, we can rise up above the misery & still demonstrate unflinching faith in a faithful God.

Reference to Mathew 28 to 34 - puzzling? what was the original intent her, if read literally Mathew is reporting JESUS to be telling the Jews that there is no need for them to do anything other than pray - surely not?

Then again how do we fit this into life two thousand years later?

Thanks for your help

Roy

Dear "Dedric Armstrong" no, unfortunately i do not think so. Many on the web have views and ideas. Many have testimonies and speak from experience with the Lord. Even dismissive teachers we should stay away from. The letters of John and the letters of Peter are about teachers.

Be blessed in His Name Jesus, I love you in Christ. Acts 18

MATTHEW 6:8

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

My question is are Father know what you need before praying about it.They when you pray for the things you need sometimes you receive it or never receive anything. I have prayed for thing as as single parent and no answer. I started questioning my Faith at times. I going through a question time now with adult child and still single.

Do y'all mail out Bible Studies

Please Jesus Christ I ask that Jennifer be filled with Your Grace and peace that her affliction subsides and she be blessed to be a testimony for Your Glory God in Jesus Christ name

May I suggest you reflect on Matthew 6:34 and Matthew 11:28.

Matthew 6:9-13 and a slightly abridged version in Luke gives us Christ's instructions in HOW we ought to pray. We have the honor and praise to God (fulfilling the First Commandment); and an example of seeking His Kingdom first and His will to be done-then asking for our daily provisions; forgiveness of sins (commission/omission) as well as forgiving others; asking to not be led into temptation; and being delivered from evil; and once again acknowledging God's authority (yours is the Kingdom; power and glory). Our prayers therefore are encapsulated in us verbalizing and meditating on God's authority and Holiness.

This by no means should be a ritualistic prayer. When we look at it; there really isn't any miraculous manifestation asked for in terms of healing; casting out demons; etc. But it needs to be the foundation of our lives so that our testimonies are genuine and we are living not for ourselves but for God. Clearly; we are NOT to pray as James states to satisfy our lusts ( James 4:3). There are times when we need to say God help! and clearly in a crisis life and death moment that may be enough. Trust in God's provisions despite external circumstances AND that the works that He has for us from before the beginning of the world ( Ephesians 2:10) are two major factors in a good prayer life. Obviously; discipline to listening to His voice; spending quality frequent quiet times in prayer and the Word are helpful as well. It is helpful to understand His will and also to rest in the fact that we have a High priest ever interceding for us ( Hebrews 7:25); and Romans 8:33. We all see through a glass darkly; but should seek to grow in maturity and wisdom.

It should have for believers, but with all things involving people change was difficult and many Jews had difficulty leaving it behind. Social pressures, rejection by families and being put out of the synagogues brought challenges and the temptation to go along to get along. That is why the book of Hebrews was written. The author was trying to prevent Jewish believers from turning back to the sacrificial system and showing them Jesus was superior in every way to that system.

Here is my attempt to summarize Hebrews:

Jesus superior to the prophets: Hebrews 1:1-3

Jesus superior to angels: Hebrews 1:4-14, Hebrews 2:1-8

Jesus able to represent humanity: Hebrews 2:9-18

Jesus superior to Moses: Hebrews 3:1-6

Warnings about hardening our hearts to God's calling: 3:7-19

Warnings about missing God's rest provided by faith in Jesus: 4:1-13

Jesus provides bold access as our high priest: 4:14-16, Jesus meets high priest requirements: Hebrews 5:1-10

Warning about being dull of hearing and unprepared for a deeper teaching: Hebrews 5:11-14, 6:1-8

Encouragement to believe that they are ready for deeper teaching: Hebrews 6:9-12

Teaching about the importance of God giving His oath to Christ He would be a priest forever: Hebrews 6:13-20

Teaching the superiority of the order of Melchisedek that Christ belongs to over the Levitical priesthood order: Hebrews 7:1-28

Christ's priesthood serves the heavenly reality that the law only was an earthly copy of: Hebrews 8:1-5

The superiority of the New Covenant over the Old: Hebrews 8:6-13,

The superiority of Christ's complete sevice over the incomplete Levitical service: Hebrews 9:1-28

The superiority of Christ's sacrifice: Hebrews 10:1-22

Warnings about drawing back: Hebrews 10:23-39

Importance of and examples of faith: Hebrews 11:1-40

Exhortation to submit to chastisement: Hebrews 12:1-29

Exhortation to practically live out their Christian faith and benediction: Hebrews 13:1-25

Jesus superior to

did the crucifixion of Jesus stop the practice of burnt offerings? With his death, was he sacrificing his life for us. Thank you!

Dear Douglas, below are some verses that you can claim to give you peace of mind as they have me.

Psalm 56:3 Whenever I am afraid, I will trust in You.

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Psalms 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Dear "Douglas L Walker". He hears your prayer. Pray blessed in His name Jesus, love you in Christ.

1 John 3:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Why have you put me here o lord l most certainly am not worthy and you have placed a lot on me o precious one and I not why please reveal yourself to me in Jesus name I pray amem

Hi GiGi, May Jesus bless you very much.

My Nanma Margaret passed away peacefully on 6th March.

Our faithful Lord allowed me to see my beloved grandmother twice before she left.

Both my parents were able to see her also, and others from the family. Once we had all seen her, she passed in the very early hours of the next morning. I believe the Lord waited until we had all said our goodbyes.

I felt led to read scriptures to her as she rested, I listed them below. When reading from God's Word, she seemed to stir and try to respond in her frail condition.

Thank you GiGi, for your faithful prayers and well-wishes, and for sharing with me more understanding about being confirmed into the Anglican church. This gives me much comfort and hope for her salvation.

She is already missed. This was the first passing of someone who I was close with, but I have peace about it because I know we loved each other, and I could see God moving throughout my time with her, even til the end.

The scriptures I felt led to read to my Nanma:

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)

2 Corinthians 12:9-10 (KJV)

Psalm 23 (KJV)

Isaiah 12:2-5 (KJV)

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV)

God bless you very much GiGi. I let my Nanma know there were people all over the world praying for her (with you and others from this forum in mind). Thank you GiGi. I'm praying for you also.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but it seems to me you have so much disputting around you, you feel it's spiritual attack "jump on" you.

1st , Matthew 5:10-16, Luke 12:52,53, * 1Peter 4,

2nd, Ephesians 6:11-18, Matthew 10:1, Mark 9:28,29, Matthew 17:21,

3rd Matthew 10:8-42, Matthew 12:30, Matthew 26:55,59, Matthew 27:1, Mark 3:6, Mark 13:9-13,

4tu, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5, Psalms 37,

5th, Mark 11:25, Matthew 6:47-49, Luke 17:3,4,

Even Jesus had to stop disputes with believers : John 12:7,

* Psalms 34:18,

1John 3:20, Hebrews 4:12, Hebrews 10:22, Matthew 6:19-21,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello Jarome. I'm sure that you'll be greatly blessed in your meticulous study of the Gospel of John & for the many Truths that reveal more of Christ contained therein.

As you have read from the first verse in the Gospel, the subject is Jesus. And John develops on this: that from the very beginning (from eternity), God's Word was intrinsically a part of the Godhead. All things were made by Him (i.e. from the Word proceeding from the Mouth of God). And in this Word there was life: not only giving out those words that gave life, but the Word to be made flesh would be the giving of life itself. And this Life would shine to all men (especially those in that day), but they never saw that Light - they saw the Man Jesus but they continued to live in the absence of His Light - in darkness, shutting their eyes & mind to the Light from God.

Even now, we can see how people without the Light of Christ, live in spiritual darkness - most even believing that their darkness is actually light. Jesus spoke of this in Matthew 6:23 b: "...If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!". What men see as light (their knowledge & mental prowess, creative abilities, power over others, etc.), Jesus says that without Him, they are still living in darkness. They might do well on Earth (in their lifetimes), but what will all that matter when eternity calls upon them? But when those abilities are coupled with spiritual light, love for God & for His Son, & a submission to Him only, then they can truly experience "the light of life" ( John 8:12). And so John the Baptist came bearing witness of that Light (one could say, he came shining the flashlight of God's great Plan - until the radiant Light of His Son would appear to all). Unfortunately, as you know, most having seen that Light, still preferred to live in darkness (in sin, following traditions, even trusting the Law & their heritage to save them). But some came to the Light, basked in it & found freedom.