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The Old Testament doesn't provide any clear reference to a star to be seen over Bethlehem. These 'wise men' or magi from Eastern lands were observers of the starry kingdom, & even though they may have used their art for dubious purposes, there was suddenly an observance that appeared to them that was out of sync with the placement of the heavenly bodies at that time of the year. And it was not only different in that way but also of increased intensity (maybe similar to the recent alignment of two planets) which prompted their travel into that direction.

Now, they would have to travel a great distance, even if it was on animals, so it's possible that at the first appearance of this special star they commenced their move. And in the providence of God, their arrival at baby Jesus' crib, an animal's feeding trough, coincided with His birth. But the question: how did these magi even know that this babe was to become "the King of the Jews"? We're not told this: it could have been a prophecy (as in Micah 5:2) that reached them, or some other belief in that part of the world expecting a ruler-ship to happen in Israel. But they immediately responded to that heavenly phenomenon.

Just my thoughts to guide you, but can't be verified from the Scriptures.

THE WOMAN IN REVELATION 12.

Here's a verse that is widely debated. I think we can determine by looking at the description of her, and the series of events concerning her in Ch 12 and prophecies pointing to those events in the bible. "you'll need your bibles". VS 1, the description, "She was clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of 12 stars". If we go to Genesis 37:9-10. Joseph dreams and Jacob answers this one for us. Now compare the events in prophecy to Revelation 12. VS 2, She's travailing in birth pains, Isaiah 54:1-5. Is 66:7, ( BEFORE SHE TRAVAILED, SHE BROUGHT FORTH; BEFORE HER PAIN CAME, SHE BROUGHT FORTH A MAN CHILD.) Also look at Micah 4:10, and Micah 5:2-4. Revelation 12:14 say she was given 2 wings of a eagle, a phrase the Lord uses throughout the bible concerning Israel, Exodus 19:4' Isaiah 40:27-31. Deuteronomy 32:10-11. Look at Paul concerning the Israelites in Romans 9:5, "Whose are the fathers, and whom as concerning the flesh Christ came. THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL, Not the church. The church did not exist until after the child was born died on the cross raised the third day went to the father then gave the Holy Spirit to the believers. Thank you.

Speaking of Jesus:

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. ( Micah 5:2)

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ( John 8:58)

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ( John 14:9)

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ( 2 Corinthians 5:19)

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. ( Colossians 1:14-17)

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( Colossians 2:8-9)

PLUS Israel is the people of GOD governed by the Shepherd of Bethlehem ( Matt 2:6 and Micah 5:2).. that's Jesus Christ... not anyone else". Also, there's no W in Hebrew so YHVH whereas the ancient Hebrew Masoretes recorded the name as "YeHowah" or "YeHovah" nearly 7000 times throughout the Hebrew BIble. The form "Yahweh" is a more recent "guess" at the pronunciation, found in The Corruped Catholic Douay Bible. . Scholars have found the Ya, Yah, Yahu names in Babylonian tablets from around 2500BC. Abraham was not born until 1800BC. Israel as a nation did not exist until 1400BC when they came out of Egypt And the Ya, Yah, Yahu name existed before they were even in the world. In 2500BC there was no Greek empire or nation. In 2500BC there was no Persian empire or nation. This leaves us with the Hittite and Egyptian as the only existing kingdoms or nations of people. And, in both the Hittite and Egyptian kingdoms there is a ya, yah, god. The Yah god in Egypt is the moon god.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Psalms 22:16-18 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:5-7 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 11:2-9 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25-26 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Messiah came. On the day he was crucified, well over 100 prophesies about him had bee fulfilled. You compare those prophesies with the recorded historical account of that time.

Micah 5 is telling us that he was gonna give them UP ( the early church ) Till she that is in travail has given birth to the manchild which is the H.G. that jesus said was gonna rule all nations jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and judgement n righteousness etc but there has to be a 2 k yr intermission when no man can work as jesus said,The nite comes when no man can work th days come when the bridegroom will be taken away then shall they fast in those days, days are plural 2 days 2 k yrs no Jesus,no H.G. NOTHIN BUT WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS NO PRINCE OF PEACE. but the good news is we are gonna have a baby,she brought forth a manchild the KINGDOM.

Isaiah 7:14, Psalm 22"16-18, Genesis 8:1-33, Micah 5:2, Hosea 11:1

you can read all this in revelations as well, it's a warning to nations that fall from the Grace of God they will crash and burn and we here are headed for it, unless we have a awakening and the ministers go out and confront those who are leading as spoken in Joel 2 God bless you all, may the Lord' peace be with you

yes it's more materialistic then what the Christian holidays truly are, but this is what happens when they remove God out of everything, call immoral good and moral evil where is the church to stand up and fight the good fight. we need to pay attention to who we allow to run our nations, we dont need double minded people, they go to church and then pass laws and forget God. crash an burn

The scripture that capture my heart tonight is verse 13: "Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the mist of thee and thou shalt no more worship the works of thy hands." I see this not only referring to man made images, but let's look at what else is consider "The works of thy hands. Isn't christmas an image and idol? Isn't easter an images and idol? works of hand

This reminds me of Revltns.

Before the LORD made me in his spirit I saw something in the clouds. Actual clouds sky while gleaming into the LORDs eyes. A chariot. Really. A chariot with an angel man. I thought that I was seeing wrong you know how clouds are people. Til this day I look upon thy house of the LORD with fear and glee. amen amen lord just gave me in spirit wow, he sneaks up on me even when I'm having one one

Micah is telling us that HE was gonna given them up till the woman gives birth which is the woman in Rev 12 which is US. HE GAVE THEM UP FOR 2000 YRS.LAST 2000 YRS HAVE BEEN AN ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, time of darkness Spritually speaking WHEN NO MAN CAN WORK.THATS WHT HAPPENED TO THE EARLY CHURCH SHE WAS A GREAT ARMY OF GOD BUT HE GAVE THEM UP AS MICAH SAID I.E EZECK'S DRY BONES RISE AGAIN GBU.

To Elias, Micah 4 is the same as Rev 12; Rev 11 and Rev 12 = Number 16:30-35
Isaiah 54,60 and 66 together, see Micah 5:3 Just know when Israel is invaded tenth anger of the Lord will manifest see Psalm 102:13-22

Gen. 6:4 - There were GIANTS; the same became MIGHTY men, ...men of RENOWN. 10:8 - Nimrod: he began to be a MIGHTY one,(v.9). 1 Chr. 1:10-Nimrod: he began to be mighty...; Micah 5:6-Nimrod was the 'father' of the Assyrians. Isis, Al Queda, Boka Horam, come from the same land - Syria. Just as the Jews nor Gentiles have vanished - neither have the Assyrians- and they still hate Jesus.

kind of complicating

God's way of doing things is quite different from what human beings think, He chooses from whom he wills.God decided to get a saviour from a minority tribe and from a place not thought of and this was to be a ruler of israel.

If God and Jesus both always existed and are co-equal, then it would make no sense for the Bible to confusingly speak of God and Jesus in terms of a relationship between a father and his son. For what would we think of about ANY father and his son? If it weren't for the father, the son would not exist. Jesus is not God; he is exactly as the Bible describes him - the Son “OF” God. The word "son" principally is regarded in the Bible as "offspring" and in Genesis we read that Adam was produced by God. Interestingly, Adam and Jesus even shared the same description: "son of God", ( Luke 3:38). While the Father is always found in the Bible to be called "God", the phrase "God the Son" is never found. Further, if the Son really was God, then why would he call the Father "the only true God"? ( John 17:1-3). Jesus is God's "only-begotten" son; the only being directly created by God, ( John 1:18). Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is "the Beginning of the creation of God", NASB. Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is "the FIRSTBORN of all creation". Micah 5:2 says that Jesus' “ORIGIN” is from of old, from “ancient days” – RSV (cf. JB, NEB, REB, NAB, NIV, AT, Mo, NRSV, NJB, Byington, and Young's). Origin: "a coming into existence" - Webster's New World Dictionary, 1973. Therefore, because of the Bible's explanations of this, the designations "Father" and "Son" when attributed to God and Jesus make sense.

My dear brothers and sisters, let us have a look from the prompt.. JESUS is of the tribe of Judah in Genesis 49:10, Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:6. He is Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 ( Genesis 14:18). What does it mean? Read Hebrews 7:2, he is a priest without being from the tribe of Levi.. but if you count any priest in the bible, all are by the tribe of Levi.. So what is the link in between Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5:10... both didn't come from the tribe of Levi. Therefore what should be the consequence? Read Hebrews 7:11-18.. So we should be aware of this simple oracle.. as in Hebrews 5:12.

In verse 18 we read Joseph was expoused to Mary and she was found with child of the of the Holy Ghost. In verses 19 the two were called husband and wife by virtue of espousal, a marriage vow. Jesus was a son given by God ( Isaiah 9:6) through the tribe of Judah in fulfilment of Genesis 49: 8-12. His lineage through Joseph was in fulfilment of Isaiah 11:1-5 prophecy. " and there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots." He was to sit on the throne of David ( Isaiah 9:7). His lineage was to be trace through David in order for Him to sit on Davids throne. Yet Michah says thus of this Massiach ben David: but though, Bethlehem Ephratah, thou thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of the shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose going forth have been from old, from everlasting ( Micah 5:2). This Christ is to be ruler over Israel was before Michah, the prophets and the patriarchs. David in the psalms, by the Spirit spoke of Him thus: The Lord hath sworn and will not repent, though art a priest for ever after the order of Melechizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through Kings in the day of his wrath ( Psalms 110:4-5). In Zechariah 14: 16-21 He sets His throne in Jerusalem as King as Lord of Hosts. In Revelation 19 He is called, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Yes, the same person, bore the office of son of God, in fulfilment of Psalms 2 and His virgin birth and by the Power of the Holy Ghost, He took the office of Son of man to be a prophet like unto Moses, He takes the Name of Son of David to sit on Davids throne during the mellenial rule. He was the lamb of God to make an atoment for sin. He was a high priest of the order of Melechzedek to represent us before God by the sacrifice of Himself. Yes He is the everlasting Father, the Mighty God the Prince of peace, the mighty to save. He is the Lamb, the King, the Eagle, The Prophet, the alpha and the omega, the first aod last, the one true Lord and God.