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Neville Stewart

There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. ( 1 Chronicles 17:13) ( 2 Corinthians 6:18)

The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, ( Job 1:6) ( Job 2:1) ( Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in ( Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. ( 2 Peter 2:4) ( Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. ( 2 Samuel 21:16) ( Joshua 12:4) ( Numbers 13:33) ( Deuteronomy 20:17) ( Deuteronomy 2:19-21) ( Amos 2:9).

This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

RLW

Hi Skip ,ive always thought that in this instance the rock is simon peters confession 'thou art the Christ ,the Son of the living God ' .

Osagie,

"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Mat 16:17-18

Simon had just declared his belief that Jesus was "The Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus replied to him him saying, "That thou art Peter [Petras, a stone], and upon this rock [Petra, a rock] I will build my church."

Peter was named Simon, son of Jona. Jesus was making a play on the word Petra by giving him a nickname. Peter is a little rock. Jesus is a Foundation ROCK. The church is built on Jesus.

Later "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The STONE which the builders rejected, the same is become the HEAD of the CORNER: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?" Mat 21:42

After Jesus ascended, Peter asserted, "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a CHIEF CORNER STONE, elect, precious: and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded." 1Pe 2:6

Hello please i have two question to has

1. Is Apostle Peter the Rocks

2. Who is the Rock and please give me two references of the Scriptures

Y do people want to argue the books of the bible. what we all need to be is people for christ. and help each other if not saved help all to receive jesus. time is running out prayers for all and most of all the ones that think they don't need it

Numbers 13

31But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

32 And they brought up an EVIL REPORT of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

They got in trouble for bringing an evil and Negative Report. They did not see God as their Leader or Protector in Battle.

The same thing happens when a doctor brings us an evil report. You can lay back and die or you can rise up in the Strength of God and fire out some scripture on healing,

Favor of God; Psalm 23. Rest in Gods love and care for you.

What is so significant about numbers 13:21?

Adam

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Scripture concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at ( Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5?

"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."

Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant. Neither does a change in one's geographical location, nor a confusion of language, will change the ethnicity of a particular race.

If God said that "ALL FLESH" ( Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

Chris,

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The information given concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at ( Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5? "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant.

If God said that "ALL FLESH" ( Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction ( Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end ( Isaiah 19:25).

We have giants now days. Just look at the NBA basket ball players. Or look up giants on your computer. There was one I think lived or may still live in Russia over 7 foot tall and weighs around 400 pounds. some even taller.

My through of this chapter talks about how we can let what we see or hear put fear in us and case our faith

V. 30 Do you trust in the authenticity of God? Have you claimed His promises?
Father, thank You for Your never ending promises in our lives.

DR, the book of Enoch is not in the Bible for a reason. It is false and dangerous.

Gina is absolutely correct read your Bibles people for yourself. Genesis 6:1-4, book of Joshua ect. most churches are giving you a super watered down version of the truth. There are no aliens, its the Fallen Angels just like the Bible is telling us about, I have read the Bible cover to cover and the old testament was always hard for me to understand certain things,all I can say is read 1 Enoch

Gina is correct, A Disciple. giants were the offspring of angels and earthly women, however as the giants were destroyed, there is no way the giants of this land were their descendants. i bring this down to the fact that the evil reports were so tinted with fear that they overlooked this simple truth. we must never let fear get in the way of doing what Jehovah requires.

And those who issued the evil report were not allowed to enter the promised land,

Verses 1,2~God commanded Moses to send out men to spy out the land and these were just any men, they were the chieftains. Their words held weight.

Gina; angels are spirits, and not flesh! Therefore they have no capacity for copulating with humans. Satanism fosters all such kinds of filthy fantasies, and seeks every means to seduce people away from the Truth. Jesus Christ has come in the flesh to give His life a ransom for many; to die for our sins, and save us from sin! Genesis 6 is about APOSTASY and the consequent ruin of the world by it!

The men were leaders, they were strong, tired of the desert, wanting to possess their land. They were facing real giants, like David. The land devours itself means the giants eat everything. They are Nephilim, decendants of fallen angels and women.
Joshua and Caleb were strong believers that were counting on the power of Jahweh to give them victory because they were acting on His word.

BSP; How right you are! The Lord had Moses send certain chosen men to go search out the land; like the Lord has chosen certain men today, to search out the Promised Land in Christ, and bring word back to His people, to show them how they shall go in to take possession. And many do the same today, by bringing an evil report through unbelief, and cause the whole congregation to fear and lose heart!

Verses 30 through 33 show that the negative views of others can have a negative affect on us. Our associates and the way they think will have a big impact on our feelings and views.

God knew there were giants in the land of Canaan He asked the Israelites to possess. He wanted to show them again that by His Mighty Hand, He will conquer the giants for them. Today, Jesus is conquering giants in our lives. What a Mighty God we serve!

They were of the anaks real giants not a type me thinks.They are mentioned a lot through the old testament.

I agree aliens are none other than the fallen angels who 's mission under satan is to deceive mankind. H2 a offshoot of the history channel has a show called ancient aliens that deny the existence of "G d " and imply that aliens were the creators of humankind in the ancient past and our DNA is mixed with thiers and that we are the descendants of the nephelim see Genesis chapter 6 and numbers 13:31-36 I believe that those who do not accept Jesus as their Lord and savior might be descendents of the nephelim but those who accept Christ must have descended through Noahs bloodline. God found Noah righteous in his generation. His bloodline was not tainted. There is something very special about human blood that the adversary covets.

Men of little faith how could they soon forgot the GOD that has brought them out of the land of egypt.

This is a very powerful faith or not chapter! When you face dilemmas keep faith in God and don 't worry about it trust in God... There is a possibility in Him

Learn from this message,to have faith in God,believe in him,if he gives us,a plan believe and just move on it.trust that God has your back!!!

When you learn loyalty to god in Christ Jesus and put him first and acknowledge him and all your affairs. Theirs nothing but new abundant life favor and godly provision for us to witness his love truth and covenant in loving sinful man unto repentance to glory in his image praise hisname

The story recorded in the books of numbers chapter 13 is very educative for us christians of today. It is very obvious that that the land belongs to them thus they were the original owners of the land, but because they have compromised their faith in the lord before their enemies by suggesting that, they were just like grasshoppers, they equally died just like ordinary grasshoppers. Nevertheless, Joshua and caleb displayed their faith in the lord, even in that hopeless time, and that gave them the oppotunity to possess the land in expense of the whole multitude. It is my prayer
that the lord would strenghten our faith in order to persevere even in difficult times as the two did. Remember to speak the language of the minority-Joshua and Caleb but not that of the majority- the multitude.....

These were the giants from the children that were born of the fallen angels who bred with the daughters of man.