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Cain's descendants did not all die in Noah's flood.-

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." Genesis 6:19

"OF EVERY LIVING THING of ALL FLESH, two of EVERY SORT shalt thou bring into the ark..."

- Kenite's were also on the ark. How did descendants of Cain, the Kenites, wind up in 1 Chronicles (& elsewhere)?

"...Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Genesis 6:9

Noah and his family were the only "perfect" in breed/pedigree. All the races were created on the 6th day of God's creation ( Gen. 1:26-27). If Noah's family were the only people to be saved, then how do we account for all the races we still have today? Please don't say it's because Canaan was cursed ( Gen. 9:25). Canaan was cursed by Noah, not God; and Noah cursing Canaan would in NO way create another race - absolutely biologically impossible.

And by the way, Cain's descendants ALL died in The Great Flood as did all but Noah and his descendants.

Dawn,

Jesus stated, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."Joh 5:39 and of Jesus it was recorded, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luk 24:27

There is a genealogy of Cain and his descendants, BUT this does NOT pertain to the Messiah. And there are other short genealogies in The Scriptures but they are recorded for other reasons. The MAIN genealogy, interestingly recorded centuries before Jesus and some of it not in The Scriptures but assiduously recorded by faithful Jewish scribes, was the Messianic genealogy through King David and his royal lineage.

There is absolutely no evidence of the serpent seed. The serpent was embodied by Lucifer who was the murderer and lier from the beginning, "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world."

When Jesus stated, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Joh 8:44 He was not saying that they could trace their physical lineage back to the Devil any more than believers could trace their physical lineage back to God. EVERYONE's physical lineage goes back to Adam.

Spiritually, we are either of God or of Satan.

Inheritance is in the genes.

What?? Why would satan "scolded" Christ if Eve was impregnated by him (satan)? That would be like the man sitting across from me on the bus scolding me for my stepfather impregnating my mom - it makes no sense.

If the serpent impregnated Eve, the devil would have scolded Jesus Christ about being 'of the devil'. He didn't. There is no mention of this in the Bible. It never happened.

Hi Dawn,

Genesis 5. Genealogy

Here's why Cain is not in the Genealogy, 1st.

Genesis 4:11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;....12...13...

14: BEHOLD, THOU HAST DRIVEN ME OUT THIS DAY FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH; AND-

"""FROM THY FACE SHALL I BE HID""";

2nd.

The first 5 chapters was on the creation the next section is on Noah and the flood, The Emphasis on this Genealogy is on Adam, " The first man" to Noah.

Hebrew:

Transliteration: 'dm

Pronunciation: aw-dawm'

Definition: The same as H120; {Adam} the name of the first {man} also of a place in Palestine: - Adam.

KJV Usage: Adam(9x).

In the next division in Genesis you see a Genealogy in Ch 10 he does the same thing, you see a Genealogy of Noah with certain characters like Nimrod highlighted setting up the brief story of him in ch 11 before he gives us the story of Abraham. Again you see the family of Abraham listed as you go to ch 12 with the story of Abraham focusing just on lineage of the preceding character.

Here's another example Matthew 1:1-2 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Abraham begat "ISAAC"; and Isaac begat "JACOB"; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

Have you noticed no mention of Ishmael or Essau?

Because the focus is on Jesus to king David. this Genealogy goes through Solomon but the Genealogy in Luke goes through Nathan, One giving the legal line to the thrown and the other giving the blood line to the thrown.

I hope that clears this up for you because I don't know why one would suggest that God would bless a biological birth from Satan, Only God can permit Life.

Dawn

Genesis 4:2. I don't think it shows they came to the age of accountability at the same time, I believe Cain was offering the fruit of the ground before Abel reached the age of accountability.

The fruit of a cursed ground instead of a blood sacrifice. The issue was that God didn't require that of Cain.

When Abel came along he did what was required.

Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen,

Adam bit the apple too, yet he didn't know the serpent (a spirit). It is sin that beguiles us, and satan is the father of them. satan was just making his rounds in the garden to stem the evil tide. One solid characteristic about satan is he can't create anything, he can't breathe life into anything, he can't even produce evil unless the letter lets (God).

2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

satan (spirit) has dominion over the flesh, not our DNA.

Gen. 3:13

Beguiled - nasha (Hb), naw-shaw - a prime. root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:-beguile, deceive, x greatly, x utterly.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible

Gen. 4:1

Again - yacaph (Hb), yaw-saf - a prime. root; to add or augment (often adv. to continue to do a thing)

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible

Gen. 4:2

AGAIN, in the Hebrew manuscripts is YACAPH, yaw-saf - this means to continue, proceed, etc.

Also, it is evident that Cain and Abel came to the age of accountability at the same time, both bringing their offerings to the Lord.

So why, in Gen. 3:13, "the serpent beguiled me..." - Strong's Concordance: seduced.

Gen. 3:15, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and HER SEED....."

Gen. 3:16, "I (GOD speaking to Eve) will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception..."

Adam didn't "know" his wife until Gen. ch.4.

But Cain's genealogy is separate from Adam's genealogy.

Hi Dawn ,Cains geneology is in Genesis ch 4 v 16 onwards ,it probably goes up to the flood .

What is the meaning of beguiled?

verb (used with object), beguiled, beguiling. to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude. to take away from by cheating or deceiving (usually followed by of): to be beguiled of money.

Eve did not have intercourse with the SERPENT. He was jeweled and pretty but he was not a man

Before anyone says it.... Cain was not satans kid.

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Hi Dawn, So you said "since this is a place to ask questions so you decided to give it a shot", So how about we first deal with Gen. 4:1-2. That verse is literal and quite direct.

Genesis 4:1. And "ADAM" knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, ""I HAVE GOTTEN A MAN FROM THE LORD."" This phrase defines Cain

In verse 2 it says "And she (AGAIN) bare his brother Abel". NO TWINS HERE!! Separate birth.

This could have happened several years later as far as we know.

when it comes to child birth the scripture is careful to mention twins if they're present as it did Essau and Jacob.

Genesis 4:2 And she ""AGAIN"" bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

You stated Eve was Beguiled "sexually seduced" by Satan.

That would be way out of context considering she was answering a direct question from the Lord!

Genesis 3:13. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, ""AND I DID EAT""

How was she beguiled? By leading her astray from God's command.

If you take this definition below of beguiled and what happens in Gen 3. it's clear we have a picture of deception!! How did you get sexually seduction out of that and disregard Genesis 4:1?

Hebrew:

Transliteration: nsh'

Pronunciation: naw-shaw'

Definition: A primitive root; to lead {astray} that {is} (mentally) to {delude} or (morally) to seduce: - {beguile} {deceive} X {greatly} X utterly.

KJV Usage: deceive(12x), greatly(1x), beguiled me(1x), seize(1x), utterly(1x).

Occurs: 16

In verses: 15

Besides it could have been a 100 years between Genesis 3:13 and Genesis 4:1.

Please give us your interpretation of Genesis 4:1 since it is scripture we cannot discard it.

And I will deal with the Genealogy. Genesis 4:1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten ""A"" man ( not twins) from the LORD. Waiting on your response.

You should see what I do to the corrupt politicians and crooked cops.

The genealogy from Genesis 5:1 to Genesis 6:9 is Noah's. Since he descends from Seth, only Seth is mentioned. He doesn't mention either Cain or Abel directly. He only notes that Adam "had sons and daughters" to let us know that Adam and Eve had more than just the three sons mentioned by name in Adam's records. In every generation there is likely to have been multiple siblings, but only the one that directly leads to Noah is mentioned each time.

Dawn

Cain and Able were the sons of Adam, Genesis 4:1-2 Cain killed his brother, Genesis 4:8. Cain was banished from the face of the earth (Eden) and the presence of the LORD Genesis7 9:16. Abel was to be the righteous line to the Messiah Jesus Christ.

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

God gave us the genealogy of Cain but it has no consequence on the line to Jesus. The genealogy in the Bible from Adam does not include Cain and Able, it also does not list the firstborn as some say, it covers the righteous line to Jesus. There are many teachings out there that we must be careful. We must test the spirits for there are many contrary to the word of God. Like the verse, you listed John 8:44 Here is another.

1John.3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

These verses by themselves may hint at what you said of Satan and Eve but, this does not mean they are from the physical seed of Satan (devil). Cain was not of the seed of the devil, it is saying if you choose evil, not righteousness you are of the devil. We are either sons and daughters of God or Satan (devil). You can paint a very deceptive picture with one or two verses.

1John.3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Test the spirits, if we cannot find scripture to back up what we hear or read RUN!!!

2 Corinthians 11:14-1514 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

God bless you, Ron

Your reply is helpful, however, I still question why Cain is not in Adam's lineage, and vise versa.

Hi Dawn,

Let's put John 8:44 in its context.

John 8:42-47. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Verses 42 and 43 Jesus is saying if God were their father they would love him and understand his speech.

Verse 44 through 47 he gives the contrast between the father of truth and the father of lies,

The devil is the father of lies and much more. He is the spiritual father to all who reject Christ.

And as a side note: Anyone tries to add to the finish work of the cross whether elements from the works of the law or works of their own falls in the category of Satans children as well because they will have fallen from grace.

I understand what it says in Gen. 4:1; my original question is beyond that.

As a nurse (& a woman), I know about superfetation - twins, such as Cain and Abel, conceived at different times, &/or in their case by different fathers, Adam and the serpent.

This is how I'm understanding why Cain isn't listed in Adam's lineage - Cain, having his own ancestry listed in Gen. 4:17 (& the following verses); Adam's ancestry is listed in Gen. ch.5, and Cain isn't in it. (Please see my original question above)

I don't mean to be difficult (lol); this is just a question I've had for a very long time that hasn't been clearly answered for me. Being new to this King James Bible website, and seeing that there is a place to ask Bible questions, I needed to give it a shot.

Hi Dawn,

Genesis 4:1 (KJV) And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

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If Cain is Adam's son, then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."? Eve was "beguiled" - (Gr. exapatao) wholly seduce by the serpent, or Satan.

Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer.

Mark 5: 43. He commanded them strictly that no one should know it,

Why Jesus told them not to tell anyone? Is it because, of His purpose of timeline or the timing need to follow God's way to reach his mission by cross. or. Allow us to believe in him cuz of our sins..

What if he allowed for the to disclose it... then. people will continue to seek him...which might have slowed him down?

In you, Lord our God, we put our trust. Trust and Obey

Hahaha well done darren ! I swear in my head all the time ! Occasionally it slips out and i always apologize if theres some one around ,mostly if i swear im in my own home, i never swear in the street or any one elses home ,most of my friends and family swear occassionally ,for most people its just a habit ,lots of people havewords and phrases they use habitually ,obviously its best not to in case you offend some one but i dont belive swearing is the worst sin a person can commit and im very much hoping that God agrees with me or very many of us will be in big trouble i think !

Hello Monica,

I just wanted to share with you a list of verses I have about "cursing" or any filthy thing out of our mouths.

Ephesians 4:29

( Ephesians 4:31

( Colossians 3:8

( James 1:26

( James 3:10

( 1 Peter 3:10

The little voice in my head that drives my conscience, likes swearing. I like to narrate the story with choice words. Foul language is akin to poor behavior, and ill manners. Other people don't hear me swear, it's mostly my internal dialog that gets salty. I have apologized for swearing. When I get bad news, or the like, it can flow like the river Nile. My favorite swear word is mf'er because it's so versatile in a rough and tumble America. I'm conscious of my words, and know that swearing and temper can be controlled.