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Arissa, that was an interesting read & also about those who hide "behind the mark of Cain".

Just the matter of "scapegoat": as you know the meaning of that word is "a person (or, group) made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place". I can see how you interpret it this way, but I question whether Jacob was made a scapegoat & still enjoyed peace. I would not connect the meaning of Scapegoat to the situation described here. I don't think Jacob was a scapegoat: he did wrong in stealing his brother's blessing & therefore was advised by his mother to 'make a run for it', but Esau himself did foolishly, in selling his birthright for a some pottage in the first place. I don't see that either of these brothers were guiltless & so there was no transference of sin onto another. As well, Esau didn't do too badly himself, as he married & raised a large family & army & of course settled in Edom, becoming the father of the Edomites. Of course, all this was in fulfilment of God's Word to Rebekah in Gen 25:23.

Gen 4:15: "...therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him". We don't know what type of mark this was, but most likely, "the LORD marked out Cain...", i.e. set Cain aside for Divine protection from his enemies, just as believers have been marked out with the indwelling Holy Spirit & His Seal upon them. So if any of these people you mentioned (KKK, Freemasons, Nazis, etc.) hide behind Cain's mark, that is of private interpretation, but it is certain, as you say, that all of these do hide behind the cloak of Christianity, & in so doing, not only bring the Name of Jesus into discredit & disgrace, but deceive our govts. & nominal Christians alike of their relevance & position in society. They (as we ourselves), have to stand before our Great Judge.

Thank you for your thought-provoking Comment.

Esau sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. God could not tolerate that.

Satan tempted Eve with food too.

3rd part: When they orchestrate events in the lives of people to cause them to stumble, sin, fall, get injured, sick suffer some trouble/calamity, they are entertained by the suffering, and would want the rest of society to believe that people are suffering because they are evil, or committed some sin/crime, and therefore are reaping the judgement. Well, the truth is that they transferred their corruption onto other people and watch them suffer what they should have been suffering. They hide behind the mask of Christianity but are wolves in sheep skin. So the twisted reference to Esau is the reference to those in the occult, sorcery/witchcraft who twist things/corrupt/pervert the Judgement of God/The Word of God to make it look like they are the blessed of God. That is why we are not to be envious of the wicked when they prosper.

2nd Part:That Justice is Jesus who turns that twisted thing around, and makes straight the crooked, and turns things upside down and inside out, the right order of things. So, Jesus the first born Son of God, had to be the scapegoat, carrying the sins of the world, rejected and cast off to die in the wilderness. So, when we come to Christ our souls, birthright is restored when the Holy Spirit comes upon us, and everything we have need of comes to us, while the heathen, freemasons, kkk, nazis etc are draining us of our anointing so they can advance the white race with the soul portions of other race groups. So as mentioned above, it does not matter what color the skin is, or where they come from, satan, like cain, and like Jacob wants the first pick, and will move out of his way anyone or anything that is a threat. That is why people in the occult are so bent on killing people who have the light of God. They want to switch places with the people of God, so the people of God become the scapegoats, and they are the "star" of the show, with all the titles, degrees, money etc. It's all about dominion. They want to own, control & rule over everyone/thing to get praise, adoration,glory. Those in Christ say: I am nothing, I have nothing, I can do nothing. I abide in Christ and I become a Son of God, bear fruit and advance the Kingdom of God for the praise and Glory of God.

Let's go back to the Garden of Eden. God created Adam & Eve in the image of God. Then came serpent, &his seed past on down from Adam to us, so that we are no longer made in the image of God.From the time of serpent came Cain, the firstborn. Cain murdered 2nd born, Abel. But, because of the blessing of the first-born, the male child that opens womb must be consecrated to the Lord, God did not strike Cain down, but placed a mark on him. Fast forward, Jacob's mother does not want Esau to get blessing of first-born son, but Jacob, so Jacob tricks his father &steals the blessing for the first-born son. Jacob pays a price for it, & then later makes covenant with God, gets his name changed to Israel, &his sons come under his umbrella.We don't really know what evil Esau did other than going after "foreign" women. Esau gets a bad name. Due to Jacob's sin he, like a scapegoat had to run off into the wilderness looking for Laban. God blessed Esau as the first-born anyway, he didn't need Jacob's spoil. So, it's a bit twisted. Usually the one whose sin is transferred onto the scapegoat lives at ease and remains in the household, while the scapegoat is cast out to die in the wilderness. But here we have Jacob who committed the crime, and had to flee for his life. It's a bit twisted.So fast forward again to 2020. The heathen/pagans/freemasons/ nazis/kkk/white supremacists are hiding behind the mark of Cain, as if they are the descendants of Cain. Whether they are first-born or not, from Europe, USA or Timbuktu, it does not matter. The fact is they've perverted the word of God to fool the people of God. So, like wolves in sheep skin they hide behind Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc pretending to be children of God. They"mark" the people of God, after tricking/deceiving/pulling the wool over our eyes, enslave/exploit, rob us of our inheritance/birthright/blessing through sorcery/ witchcraft/soul tying & transferring/redirecting the flow of blessing to others. So justice must come!

Gerard,

I believe they are both the same thing. The day of the Lord or day of Christ is not a specific day. It is a time period that God has set apart. It will be His day. The Lord's day is coming. It's not a specific day. It's a time period. It will be a time of His coming judgment.

Gerard these are my thoughts and most would disagree, Is the day of the Lord and the day of Christ the same event. Most pastors in the USA will claim one day is the pre trib rapture and the other day is the 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation. However is claiming the day of the Lord and the day of Christ are two different events, does that not deny that Jesus is Lord? I say that Jesus is Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?

In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. If this is true then the day of the Lord IS the day of Christ.

What is the difference between the day of Christ and the day of the Lord

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

Revelation 1:14 - His (Jesus) HEAD and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as SNOW; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

(Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black) as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.



Who generally printed the Bibles and built all the churches?

Sub Sahara Africa? NO

Asia? NOT until recently

Europe and the USA = Yes

Many "black Hebrews" claim whites are the children of the devil via Esau and the Canaanites via the Hittites.

Some even advocate the killing of whites to fulfill the command of the Lord to kill the Canaanites

Genesis 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau..

Genesis 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:

Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Luke 22:36 Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Look into this I am not making this up.

We are not Africans I can prove it in a few way. We are Hebrew Israelites. The southern kingdom of Israel went into captivity (Trans Atlantic Slave Trade). The Northern Kingdom was Already here when we got here but once they left Israel they were in captivity to the Assirians then they came here to the Americas. Southern kingdom was still in Israel, the Romans chased them into Africa and they fled into West Africa and there the Hamites and Ishmelites(Africans and Arabs) gathered us up and sold us to the Edomites (so-called white man) Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. And we are still here in our captivity because they didn't take us back where they got us from.

America is soon to be destroyed like any great kingdom. Pride always come before destruction. God is going to put Edomites (so-called white man) against each other, which is America and Russia. All these other nations had God's people in captivity at one time or another so after America is destroyed all u heathen nations will go into captivity. This is Edom(so-called white man) heaven so enjoy it while you can. We are not Africans we are Israelites. Africans come from a so-called white man named Scipio Africanus. Do your research.

Greetings Dwight - I see your point. If indeed Calvin did teach that some men could not be saved. I do not really know what Calvin taught. I know he was involved with the Geneva Bible.

What does the Bible say about certain people and their salvation? Let us turn to the scriptures.

Malachi Chapter 1: 1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

3 And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Esau rejected the things of God, this is a long study, and as such God rejected him. Can you imagine God said he hated Esau?

Hebrews Chapter 12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as ESAU, who for one morsel of meat SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, HE WAS REJECTED: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears. ESAU WAS REJECTED OF THE LORD.

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. (there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau)

Esau married two Hittite women who were of the Canaanite tribes which the Lord had forbidden Israel to do.

Seems harsh, but there it is. Esau rejected the things and blessings of the Lord, looks like the Lord had "returned" the favor. The Herod family were of Esau per Jewish historian Josephus, you know the king who killed all the children in Bethlehem.

You might have missed reading Gal 3:28 KJV. If we don't rightly divide the scriptures we can become easily lead astray. 2Tim 2:15 KJV

My great grandmother was full blooded American Indian. What does that make me? 1/4, 1/16th? Black, white, yellow, red, olive. We are all sons of God. We are all brothers in Christ. He don't look on our color, He looks on our heart. Love one another, as Christ loves you.

If God said it was good it is good. If you think He's so bad & wrong I can't help you I won't even try.

i feel you have misinterpreted those scriptures. white means purity of heart not skin color.

if all are so good then why this?
Zephaniah 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the
Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the
Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.

Obadiah 1:18 - And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a
flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour
them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath
spoken it.

But I might add--in Genesis God made the 6th day creation (ALL RACES) and looked and said it was very good. (white-brown-black-etc, for His pleasure).

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

Revelation 1:14 - His Jesus head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, ...

In short this applies to the false Ashkenazi Jews who are the actual Edomite s possessing the land of Israel right now. Revelation 2:9 says this about them I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan . Only God will destroy these people. The second coming of Jesus will uncover a lot of truths that Christians have never addressed and fear to tackle. The true Jews will be in the land of their captivity when Christ comes and it is only he who will gather them back. These Jews are the Africans that are heavily despised by the whole world and who have suffered shame and h

esau is not the arabs its caucasions. so called white people are not white they are red

There are Only 2 Groups 1 On The Left, 1 On The Right. Sheeps Or Goats. Jew Or Gentile. Whosoever was Not Found Written in The Book of Life was Cast into The Lake of Fire( Revelation 20:15) 1 With The Savior / 1 in The Lake of Fire..Forever/ Choose Who You Will Serve. We will Hear The Trumpet Very Soon.

Again, Jehovah / GOD pronounce judgement on a nation / people and GOD explain why HE has ruled ruled the way HE did; plus GOD reassured the remnant of another nation / people ( whom HE chastised ) HE shall restore them again. GOD,s wrath and faithfulness / LOVE is again shown in the above. WOW! WOW! WOW!

Restoration and age enduring prosperity is been received.Holiness will be their life style.

You say in your comment, " The latter glories of the church " Obadiah has nothing to do with the church which was unknown to Old Testament writers and was a revelation to the Apostle Paul only. Obadiah the second part is about the future glory of the nation Gods chosen people.

Absolutely cant be the arabs because they don't use they don't exault themselves using the eagle, they haven't stolen from every nation. It also can't be the arabs because they are descendants from Ishmael... This prophecy has not yet happened, hence "the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau;"

How many times has God sent a warning to America? We call this nation great, but this nation like the Edomites turned away from God. The people turned away, because they refuse to read and study God word, and depend on the leaders in the church, which many are false and perverters of the gospel. We are all responsible to have a personal relationship with the lord, built on our faith, in Jesus.

I believe its the end of the nations of Esau's during the end times. The wickedness of Esau's has reached our heavenly Father and Obadiah has made it clear. The bible says the earth is given in the hands of the wicked, who's the ruler of the earth? Obadiah talks about Jacob being the flame, meaning the ruler of the next kingdom. Israel is my first born!! Esau's are not Arabs

Helene; In the Original Text, the word you are writing about is Hebrew 'shemuwah' meaning something heard, i.e. an announcement - bruit, doctrine, fame, mentioned, news, report, rumor, tidings. Additionally, the King James English also has to be understood the way it was in the 17th Century, not by today's. The archaic or first meaning of rumour is din or clamour. Modern English has lost a lot!

Rumor...is a statement that has not been validated yet, but something that may take place in the future...so because Edom was not brought down yet, it was considered a rumor