Discuss Philippians 1 Page 2

Hi Tammy,

You said; It was by their works that He never knew them.

But if you examine Matthew 7:16-23 carefully you'll see that it was them trusting in their works and not his work is why he never knew them.

vv 16 states "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matthew 7:17-20 goes on to give you the contrast between the fruit and the thistles and what become of them.

There's dead works and there's fruit.

Thistles may be a sign of dead works.

Fruit is a work of God and performed by God that the believer bares by being connected to the vine. Philippians 1:6.

Philippians 2:13.

This is what James is saying in James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I WILL SHEW THEE MY FAITH BY MY WORKS."

A person wilfully continuing in sin is not saved, so you can't lose what you don't have.

James 3:19 reads; "Thou believest THAT THERE IS ONE GOD; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE.

Believing there's a God doesn't save souls.

Also; Titus 1:16 reads; "THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

A profession doesn't save souls either.

Look at those professors described in the previous verse.

vv 15. "Unto the pure all things are pure: (BUT UNTO THEM THAT ARE DEFILED AND UNBELIEVING) is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled."

If you can earn your salvation you can lose it.

If you can earn it you have no need of Christ, he came to loose the captives.

He didn't come to give instructions on how to live a saved life.( You can't. )

Salvation is him giving you life that produces fruit.

So shall we continue in sin? NO!

If you were baptized into Christ you are Identified with him and see sin the way he do.

This is what Romans chapters 6, 7, and 8 is all about.

God bless.

Brother SSpencer:

I read your comments; I know you believe salvation is a gift of God, by the grace and mercy of God.

If it's a gift; then all the WORKS have to be the works of God, otherwise man would contribute to salvation.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it IS GIVE (gifted) in the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on him (the WORD) ...

Our believing is the work of God, we don't even contribute that to our salvation.

We were resurrected with the FAITH of Christ, a gift, not our doings.

God bless your, my brother in Christ.

So sad to read this my dear brother. May you & all the family know the immeasurable Grace & Strength of the Lord at this time - and with His Grace, comes healing. "...with Christ, which is far better" ( Philippians 1:23) was your brother's hope & our present longing as we will one day meet our Savior & God and see all who have gone on before us. You're in my thoughts & prayers brother.

Amen Tammy C.

Matthew 7:13-23.

Here are some interesting points highlighted in this discourse;

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS? (The wonderful works is not disputed.) There was a outward show of holliness.

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (CHRIST WILL PROFESS TO THEM HE (NEVER) KNEW THEM! They were NEVER connected to the vine. He NEVER knew them!!

Our outward act needs to generate from within!

This is a circumcised heart Paul speaks of in Romans 2:29. This is not done by man it is done by conversion!

It's what the the Jews couldn't do by self-effort by following command.

This is also what Jesus is telling the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:25-26; Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

This is baptism by the holy spirit. We are quickened by the spirit! Christ IN us!

Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

FOR AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, they are the sons of God.

It IS NOT HOW BUSY WE ARE!

IT IS HOW BUSY CHRIST IS IN US, IS THAT WHAT MAKES US SPIRITUAL.

Also, Philippians 1:6.

And if Christ is performing in you, you will have the fruit of the spirit present NOT the works of the flesh!

God bless.

Will the Lord come as a thief in the night to True Believers? Many pre-tribulation rapture believers say the Lord comes as a thief in the night, they say that means He could come at any minute. (1 Thes 5:1-3) v.2 tells us "the ((day of the Lord)) so cometh as a thief in the night." v.3 says "For when (THEY) shall say, Peace and safety; THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON (THEM), as travail upon a woman with child; and (THEY) SHALL NOT ESCAPE. That day comes on THEM, (non-believers) as a thief in the night. The (day of the Lord) that comes upon (THEM) will be a day of destruction, a day of darkness. ( Isa 13:6-9) v.9 tells us "Behold, the (day of the LORD) cometh, cruel both with (wrath) and (fierce anger), to lay the land desolate: and he shall (destroy the sinners) thereof out of it. ( Isa 13:10-13) v11 Tells us "And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease,.." (This will be the wrath of God being poured out on all the disobedient non-believers who will be left on the earth) We are also told of this day in another book in the Old Testament. ( Zephaniah 1:14-17) v14 Tells us "The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly". v15 Tells us That day is a day of (wrath) a day of trouble, and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness. These verses show the wrath of God coming the same day Jesus Christ comes in the clouds to gather together His elect. Paul calls that day "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ", and "the day of Christ" in (2 Thes 2:1-2) He calls that day "the day of Jesus Christ" in ( Philippians 1:6) He calls it "the day of the Lord Jesus" in ( 2 Cor 1:14) The day of Christ (we) are gathered together in the clouds. the (day of the Lord) brings THEM wrath and comes as a thief in the night. Blessings.

GiGi:

I am not questioning you relationship for God, I can see your love for God and I know his love for you and all mankind.

I was trying to make you understand how we can get bullheaded about the doctrines of the church and not repent of the doctrines that oppose God's word.

I saw this in my on mother, we would study the bible and be discussing certain scriptures and I would say the scriptures are saying thus and thus and she would always respond, well the church says it doesn't mean that, I will stay with the churches doctrines, the pastor says it doesn't mean that, I will believe what the pastor says.

She went to her grave for the doctrines of the church rather than repenting of those doctrines and believing God's words.

I know she loved God also, and God loved her, and she is saved as you are saved, she just never matured in the word.

I want bring this up anymore, it's between you and God, and his work.

I never meant any of my words as any condemnation; your not condemned, but loved.

I will fall back on what Paul said:

Philippians 1:18 What now? notwithstanding, either way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, and will rejoice.

God Bless You, and I do love you.

Christ was sent to be our PASSOVER sacrifice, by his blood our sins are covered, and death passes over us and we are ALIVE by HIS LIFE in us.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ....

It was a finished WORK 2000 years ago; now, nothing has to be ADDED and certainly nothing can be TAKEN AWAY. This is the Gospel.

You died with Christ, and you were raise a NEW CREATION, it's HIS LIFE IN YOU.

You believe, because God CAUSES you to believe. He's the LIFE in you.

Philippians 1:29 It is GIVEN to you in the behalf of Christ to believe in him ...

You have faith, because Christ is the LIFE in you.

Galatians 2:16 .... the FAITH OF Jesus Christ ....

You have WORKS, because it's HIS LIFE in you.

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH in you both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

God Bless YOU!

Page 1.

I appreciate the ongoing discussion Jimbob we're having as very few are prepared to persevere in it. Yes, I did mention 'imminency & suddenness', but also mentioned 'readiness' ("In the NT, the command was for readiness"). We will have to leave that one, as after my revisiting those passages because of your comment, I still see that all three as adverbs are in use or implied, including, 'watchfulness'. We'll have to leave those Scriptures for other readers to examine.

Matthew 24:29-31. I read that as the Second Coming of Christ after the Great Tribulation days & that Jesus' rule upon the Earth will be with his elect living on the Earth at that time. It does not speak of those who will be instantly caught up to be with Christ (i.e. without the gathering of them together by the angels) & to be with Christ forever. Here, in the Rapture, those of the living & dead believers will be "changed" ( 1 Corinthians 15:52), i.e. physically reconstituted ("putting on incorruption") to be with Christ in the heavenlies, whereas this isn't a requirement for those 'of the elect' on the Earth who are gathered & relocated to Jerusalem (presumably).

Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of the vision that John received of all those who had laid down their lives for Christ. Not only those who came to believe in the Truth & resisted the Anti-Christ during his reign, but the multitudes since the Church's inception that have remained faithful to the Lord & willingly went to their deaths. Yes, we can suffer now (in tribulation), even as those who went before us, but this is part & parcel of following Christ ( John 16:33); including Romans 8:16-18; Philippians 1:29; 2 Thessalonians 1:4,5; 2 Timothy 2:11,12; etc (as you shared). I read this as the 'common' tribulation (trials of faith) that believers can experience, but not of the Great Tribulation (at the Day of the Lord).

Robert Harmon:

I going to tell you something you don't want to hear.

God uses your hardships to PRESS you into his kingdom.

God drives us into the WILDERNESS, we have to rely on him for our daily necessities, just like the children of Israel, he provides for ONLY TODAY, any more is eaten up by worms (symbolic).

Mark 1:2 And Immediately the spirit driveth him (the church, Revelation 21:22) into the wilderness ....

Revelation 12:14 And the woman (Christ's bride, the church) was given the two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the WILDERNESS, into her place, where she is nourished ..........

Psalms 37:25 .... I have not seen the righteous forsaken, nor HIS SEED begging bread.

Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN on the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to SUFFER for his sake.

Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son (you are a joint heir with Christ), yet learned he (the joint heir) OBEDIENCE through SUFFERING.

I know this is not what you want to hear, but God PROMISES that HIS GRACE will be enough to get you TO THE END.

God Bless You!

Had that 1 st covenant been faultless then there wd have been no place sought forth a 2 nd covenant in the blood of the lamb....Remember what John was preaching saying behold the lamb of God that taketh the sins of the world...That cd not be preached under the old covenant.... Hebrews 8:7 kjv...And Jeremiah 31:34...And we are no longer married to the LAW Now we are married to Christ Jesus....You are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you should be marrried to another even to him that was raised from the dead.... Romans 7 :4...Remember Bathsheba had to marry another even David...Bathsheba had to travail a 2 nd time in order to get the Child of PROMISE....King Solomon...And Jesus says there is a greater then Solomon here...Which is the H.G....Which is gonna build his temple in our hearts and minds....Gals.4:19...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN till Christ is formed in you...Bathsheba was barren under Uriah but she was fruitful under David....

Which is Symbolic of Christ and the early Church...They had a relationship and a child was born which was Christianity...But the Child was sick and died in its infancy...But Bathsheba ( the Church) will travail a 2 nd time....My lil Children of whom i travail in Birth AGAIN....A 2nd time Till Christ is formed in you which is the manchild the H.G. that spirit of truth that is gona RULE ALL NATIONS.... Micah 5 :3 There fore shall he give them up till the woman is in Birth pains...But not to worry.... John 6 ..I will raise them up AGAIN THE LAST DAY....Again impling a 2 nd time....Ezech's dried bones which was the early Church the house of ISRAEL a great army is gonna come back again in the Spiritual realm...OK Lemme go....4 times in John 6 Jesus says he was gona raise them up Again....Paul describes the early Church as a great army..In Philemon 2:25 and philippians 1:2...But I fear thay answer to Ezekiels dried bones a great army...Soldiers for Jesus...ok lemme go

Further thoughts on God working things out for the good.

Scripture; of course is our guide to all truth ( 2 Tim. 3:16). The overarching theme of the Bible is God's big picture from the Creation to the downfall of man; to final restoration of both body and soul of mankind; as well as nature and in the end the whole universe. We certainly can look at God putting Satan on a string who puts men on a string. When our identity is in Christ as His adopted sons and daughters ( Romans 8:14-17 etc) then we are part of the whole army of God and hence we shall rule and reign with Christ someday ( 2 Tim. 2:12; and parts of Revelation). We are part of those who are of the great "cloud of witnesses" ( Hebrews 12:1 which summarizes Hebrews 11 the "heroes" of the faith. What is done to us in some sense is done to Christ Himself ( Matt. 25:40). Whoever destroys the Temple of God will himself be destroyed ( 1 Corinthians 3:17); and blessed are those saints who die in the Lord ( Psalm 115:16; again see Revelation)

Hence; death itself is to be something looked forward to ( Philippians 1:23). It is indeed the "last enemy that shall be destroyed" ( 1 Cor. 15:26). In the meantime; as Paul also stated "I die daily" ( 1 Cor. 15:31). In Christ we can appreciate the experience of a slow death of the outer man so that the inner man can reach glorification. Keep in mind that it is the health and vitality of our soul that counts for eternity; all men will be Resurrected but it is the TYPE of resurrection that is important.

None of this; certainly takes away from the wisdom that we should have in regard to avoiding problems when we are able and it doesn't contradict God's plans for us; or of course for troubles that result from our own sin ( James 1:14-15). May it be that it won't happen to us as believers but sadly that's what it takes for some ( 1 Cor. 11:30 for the extreme example of an early earthly demise in certain cases). Better saved through the fire than not at all ( 1 Cor 3:15

More on this important topic concerning our works ans righteousness.

Romans 10:10. Says 'For with the heart man believeth UNTO "righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Ephesians 2:10 (KJV) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO 'good works", which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The righteousness is not of the law as mentioned and the works is not the working of the law. 2 Corinthians 3:3-4. Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

This is performed by Christ being in you and he will abide in you until the end.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

1 John 5:10-12. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

AND THIS IS THE RECORD, THAT GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

We either have Jesus or ww don't!

If we have Jesus we have life and that life is sealed and eternal.

I love the way the scripture plainly put it. "GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON.

God bless.

Dear Lord God Almighty Creator, Our savior and redeemer. You who have created all that is in heaven and on earth. We thank You for life, and all things that we have. We thank You for big and small people with whom we come into contact. This is how we can be Your outstretched hand here on earth. Share Your truth and live by Your word.

We put everything in Your honor Lord and in Your Holy name Jesus Christ that we shall stand strengthened and protected in Your holy name Jesus Christ. We pray in Your wonderful name above all other names. That which thrones in and is King and Lord over all. That in Your name should "Christina" be free from alluring, seductive thoughts should not lead her away from You Lord! She will belong to You Lord and will live in a family life that gives her a husband and children according to Your arrangement. So disappear now! The the spirit of delusion, the spirit that will destroy and the spirit that will bind in the holy name of Jesus Christ, be free from this deceiver now! In Jesus Christ holy name Amen. Come and save her from this, O Lord, and everything will be so good, and she will praise You all her days. And living right with God is always good. Shower her with Your love Lord, strengthen her in spirit, soul and body Philippians 1:27 in the holy name of Jesus Christ we pray Amen. Philippians 3:8-11

Stand strong in the Word every day, look another way, invent something new, run to Jesus who will deliver you. Love u in Christ.

Psalm 42. PART TWO of the 5 sections of Psalms

I am not sure how the divisions of the Psalms relate to the Pentateuch but I heard they were in five sections. At any rate; this begins the first one that is NOT written by David. The sons of Korah were descendants of those destroyed in the rebellion by God therefore were grateful to have a place (see 1 Chronicles 9:19 for their place as doorkeepers in the House of God).

The first two verses echo the popular song "As the deer panteth for the water". The rest of the Psalm seems to contain a desire to appear before God (v. 3); and considering Him in a dispersed situation (v. 6). It seems like a diaspora; although the details are missing. The Psalmist (or multiple "sons" of Korah) seem to be taunted by the enemies as to where God is in verse 3 and 10. The author(s) of the Psalm also ask themselves and cry out to God the same plea in verses 5 and 9.

The last verse of the Psalm shows how praising God raises the condition of the soul from all sorts of despair. This is good to remember whether it is in suffering the perishing of the old body in 2 Cor. 4:16; facing martyrdom ( Philippians 1:21); or just the stresses of everyday life. Thankfully; as God states emphatically in Ezekiel 18:20. The sons are not to bear the guilt for their father's sins. This also; of course shows us that just because our parents may be a Pastor that we are not specially privileged in any way. Matthew 23:15 gives that principle to the Pharisees; whose physical descendancy from Abraham didn't give them any spiritual value without true faith. Praise the Lord for His grace toward the sons of Korah who didn't rebel.

Hi Marilyn Savage,

To share on Facebook or Link, you can go to "More" tab, top of page, left side. That will take you to another page with many additional things this site offers with additional information. Scroll down, it'll have linking info & Facebook.

Hopefully these help

Thank you for this sight of the bible on computer. How would I forward a passage to a love one or on facebook?

Chris,

It is good that we agree on this, as I do not know Greek. I wasn't quite sure if I had learned it correctly and you have confirmed it for me.

Paul said that he who began a good work in us is faithful to complete it. ( Philippians 1:6) So our completeness comes from the working of God in our lives and in us by the Holy Spirit. Paul also says that he desires for us to grow up into the full measure of Christ. ( Ephesians 4:13).

These verses seem to imply this same view of being made complete, having progressed from conversion to maturity and, ultimately, readiness for heaven. I think that it is not so much a matter of our effort (though we do need to make choices to obey) but of being open, willing, and desirous of how the Spirit wills to work in us to bring us towards completeness.

On another angle, this makes me think that this perfection/completeness may be referring to God's plan coming to fullness, perfection, fruition, and, as you say, His foreordained end to His plan for creation, in us one by one, and in the whole church over the ages. There is a culmination of all things to come. That will be glorious.

Thanks Giannis.

That's the way I have it as well.

On the Matthew 24:31-46 I think I was responding to Gigi.

Her quote;

By GiGi

The most consistent view in the church over the centuries was that the rapture happens on the Last Day, as Jesus said in Luke 21:27; Matthew 24:29-31. Even Daniel was told that he would arise on the Last Day in Daniel 12:13. This is why I believe that Jesus comes back only once again and will gather believers to Himself on the Last Day.

End quote.

My point was that Matthew 24 was not about the rapture.

Those taken away are gathered for judgment.

She's rapturing the wrong group!

Some say that the tribulation is a time of testing for God's people. Who and what is being tested? God's grip?

We must consider these verses. John 10:28-29.

I John 4:4.

Matthew 28:20.

John 14:18-20.

Ephesians 3:30.

Jude 1:24-25.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

So it's obvious God is not testing a spirit filled vessel.

TRIBULATION.

This is mentioned in Daniel 12 where a specific time period is mentioned and Jesus confirms it in Matthew 24:15-21. This tribulation is to come upon the whole world. This is not the persecution ( By the world ) promised to the Church in Matthew 5:10 and other places.

There's a huge difference between persecution by the world and tribulation ( UPON ) the world.

Millennium.

Where does Christ thousand years reign here on earth fit in their theology?

My reason for asking is they are split in this view.

If you say the rapture comes after the tribulation and you use Matthew 24 to authenticate that, When is the thousand years reign of Christ here on earth?

Why would you rapture people out of the Millennium?

Some hold the view the Millennium has already begun and the Church will usher in the Millennium by preaching the Gospel.

They say there is no rapture.

Continue this weekend.

God bless.

E,

Henry has given you a good breakdown of Philippians Chapter 1, emphasizing the main thing Paul was concerned with was that Christ was preached. If you are looking for help on just Philippians 1:18, here's what I can share with you. Philippians 1:18 which says, What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

The word rejoice means to be satisfied. Obviously, Paul's not happy that people are coming between him and other people, and there's a division happening in the fellowship in the body of Christ. But he must be satisfied with it all because in the midst of it all, Christ is being preached. And with all the things that are wrong about what these other people are doing, Christ is being preached!

So Paul says that's my satisfaction. That also saves him from growing bitter against those who are treating him unjustly, and it allows him to keep the fellowship, the unity of the fellowship in the bond of peace.

Amen!

We stated Mishael!!

God bless you.

E. Phillipians first four verses start with Al the saints that's us in Christ Jesus

Then he talks about the fellowship in the gospel or like!indeed notice verse 9

The things he's talking about deal with the mind and heart increasing in their

Walk then he's dealing with in verses 15-17 the way in which the gospel is

Preached i.e. love of God via the spirit or the senses. His bottom line was Christ

Is preached, in the church of Phillipi there were different attitudes of thought

I.E. egos and natural practices being exhibited not walking in pure love.

please explain phil. 1-18

Lorrie. The context of phillipians is dealing with fellowship among Christian's

And like-minded in the gospel. There were divisions even between leaders

That was affecting the believers and making division. 1 Corinthians chapter 7

Deals with marriage whether Christian or not.

I'm totally lost on most of the discussion in Philippians chapter 1. I've read this chapter like five times in the commentaries and researched it and I'm not really finding anything about marriage in there I meant that's an overall yes thing to deal with but how did it come to be such a discussion in Philippians one? I guess I'll go ahead and give my input on it though I believe if you are an unsaved person and you get married and divorced then what you do once you're saved is what matters otherwise why would we be telling people that Jesus forgives our sins. before I was saved doesn't count as it does after I was saved he cleanse me of all my sins and still now I'm a new in person in Christ from that day forward everything matters. Including divorce and marriage you would definitely apply God's word to divorce and marriage and you wouldn't do it unless adultery. But again before being said you didn't know this.

Dorothy,

It was not a dilemma for the apostle Paul. In Philippians 1:21, Paul's philosophy was that for him, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. I like that!



Paul says in Philippians 1:22, but if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. (That is, I do not know).

In Philippians 1:23-24, he says, "For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more necessary for you.

Reading through Verses 25 & 26, what Paul seems to be saying is that he really would like to go be with the Lord. Paul's life was not the kind of life that you want to stick around for, you know? Unless you like being in prison and creating riots, like Paul.



But Paul says I really would like to go be with the Lord. It has much more priority for me and desire than here.



Some of us have trouble giving up our life here for Christ because this life means "so much" to us.



And Paul says for me to live is Christ. If I have to stay here, then that's what my life is going to be about, Jesus Christ, and to minister to those so that they can have a furtherance, or advancement, and satisfaction of faith.



So he says in that you would rejoice in Christ for me coming to you again.

Continued from previous.

What should be asked and a great concern is what should salvation look like in a believer because many shall be deceived.

First of all shall you continue in sin?

Paul answers that here in

Romans 6:1-4.

We have been REGENERATED, REBORN, Given a new heart and ready to present Christ work through us. Titus 3:4-6.

We have eternal life now that can bare fruit such as faith ect...

This is what James is saying in James 2:17-18.

What James is saying is he's going to show that this gift is in him by his works. You see a Christian is saved UNTO good works. Ephesians 2:10.

When you are saved, you are baptized into Christ. It is he that works in you. Philippians 2:13.

Also;

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, THAT HE WHICH HATH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

If you can loose your salvation all these scriptures means nothing.

Here's another scripture often used.

John 14:15. "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Well look at the next verse.

Vs 16. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH YOU FOR EVER; This Love is a fruit, so who is causing you to Love Christ? CHRIST SPIRIT, The HG.

Most people say you can loose your salvation also believes you can earn salvation which you can't do. And if they hold to that it's sad to say but the scripture says they have fallen from Grace. Galatians 5:4.

I believe this means comes up short.

Now if you come up short you will hear this. "And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23.

I never knew you can never be told to a believer because of this verse. "My sheep hear my voice,.... AND I KNOW THEM,.... and they follow me: John 10:27.

Now if a person have habitual sin in their life, Chances are you're not saved. And you can't loose what you don't have.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Sister Amanda:

The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

Creation is DECEIVED.

Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....

Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.

Why is creation WAITING?

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.

Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.

Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.

Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....

BELIEF will judge UNBELIEF.

God Bless YOU, his body.

Addendum: It is true that according to Revelation; cowards will take their place in the lake of fire. We are also promised that when at trial the Holy Spirit will give us the words to speak ( Luke 12:12). We are as was said to the Corinthians the "Temple of the Spirit" ( 1 Cor. 6:19) if saved; and also He who has begun a good work in us will complete it ( Philippians 1:6).

May the Lord give you solace today. Agape. Rich P

Part 9.

The faith of Christ.

Galatians 2:15-16.

We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by "THE FAITH "OF" CHRIST", even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Who's faith? CHRIST FAITH! We were lacking faith it had to be given to us! Ephesians 2:8-9.

Some have objected to this interpretation, saying that faith (pistis) is feminine, while that (touto) is neuter. That poses no problem, however, as long as it is understood that that does not refer precisely to the noun faith but to the act of believing. Further, this interpretation makes the best sense of the text, since if that refers to by grace you have been saved through faith (that is, to the whole statement), the adding of and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God would be redundant, because grace is defined as an unearned act of God. If salvation is of grace, it has to be an undeserved gift of God. Faith is presented as a gift from God in 2 Peter 1:1, Philippians 1:29, and Acts 3:16.

Boy is that humbling! We can't produce faith, there is nothing to boast on that either!

That is why some say you can lose your salvation, and no one is saved until the Judgement.

THEY'RE NOT SURE. "VOID OF CHRIST FAITH"

Just believing is his name don't cut it either.

John 2;23-24. "Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many "BELIEVED IN HIS NAME", when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

You have to believe in his work, through the Holyspirit. (FAITH OF CHRIST)

Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and SHALT BELIEVE IN THY HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, thou shalt be saved.

1 Corinthians 1:18.

See part 9.

James 2:14-26.

God bless.

I'd like to add, to the discussion: Philippians 4:13,

Please read: Philippians 4:11-12, Philippians 1:7, he's also talking about enduring even while bond in prison. Philippians 1:13,

But it was for the Gospel of Christ: Philippians 1:12-20,