I may have discussed this topic in a previous post. Whether or not we consider "free will" to be a factor or not as to our immediate future; there is no doubt that things will end up with the Tribulation; the Millennium rule and final judgment followed by the eternal state. It is clear scripturally that almost all prophecy is conditional in some way; the fact that God does nothing without warning by one or more Prophets ( Amos 3:7). A prime example of this is with Israel and Judah who more often than not missed the mark whether it was the kings; prophets; priests or everyone else in society. Psalms is rife with examples of God's chastisement of the righteous ( Psalm 107 is one good example of this). We even see it with the other nations such as the Amorites and later in the book of Jonah the Ninevites who were given a lengthy respite of several generations before judgment finally came down as mentioned in the book of Nahum.
The statements in the New Testament such as the prophecy of Agabus shown in Acts 11 and 21 showed famine to come and later Paul's imprisonment. In the first case it has been brought to my attention that perhaps that famine either didn't occur or perhaps less severe because of preparations or repentance. That was what my former Pastor stated; not sure if anyone knows the history better than I do. As to the second circumstance; Paul was constrained to be obedient and bold. There wasn't a mandate it seemed for him going to Jerusalem although it seemed he was aware of it being part of God's plan. Perhaps the implication was martyrdom; after all Paul was no stranger to prison.
I tend to look at the "reap what you sow" context works as a sort of guarantee; like prophecy you can be certain that sin will bring forth punishment and trouble even in this life as the end of Proverbs 13:15 indicates. For God's children in rebellion it is only He who can bring real change but the wicked are lost.
Recently; I was given a survey by a pro life organization which asked me about various issues. I stated that all lives; whether born children; elderly or those in the womb should be valued. We clearly live in a suicidal culture where anything of value has been cheapened; and the value of a traditional marriage seems to have been removed as a serious concept. We face challenges from those who would terminate the life of the elderly with "assisted suicide" not just for unbearable pain but for those with various psychological issues. We see unborn life to be considered "parasites" by those in the trending values of society. No doubt the cheap thrills of drugs and the trivialization of the value of life through violent anime has blurred reality from fiction and allowed youth to have less restraint on taking another life to justify their "manifesto" or just in robbing someone of a few dollars.
In the scripture; we know that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23). He judges according to His standards. Deutoronomy 30:19 encourages us to choose life and that benefits our descendants as well (loosely translated). It also gives a choice for cursings or blessings. Joshua 24:15 states to choose who you will serve and later in the verse states "as for me and my house we will serve the Lord."
More homes need this as their standard. Children clearly need care to a certain age; but there are times when unacceptable behavior and disrespect for authority may force the issue and they need to be removed until repentant. The fear of the Lord needs to be something along with respect that obviously is missing in many homes today. Proper firmness is needed and we need to show as parents that if we love God we obey His commandments. ( John 15:10; 1 John 2:3). Proper love means discipline; we cannot follow permissiveness as Proverbs 13:24 states; there are verses that say the soul is saved ( Prov. 19:18) with discipline.
I would like to think the same thing. However we must find ourselves on our knees asking for forgiveness. I am amazed how many times the Muslim religion is on theirs daily!
I personally think gambling is fine and not a sin as long as it does not come between you and God and is not a stronghold, is not an addiction or a love, and is not through "vanity." Proverbs 13:11. Strong's says vanity is something transitory or unsatisfactory. Others translate this into dishonesty or fraud. I'm currently not thinking this applies to wagering money, but perhaps tax collecting, crooked attorneys, ponzi schemes, surprise fees, billing department dishonesty, or perhaps other activities that are illegal and deceive and harm people.
My personal view on this is that all of life involves risk and not just with money, but with our time, relationships, activities, work, etc. Naturally we try to mitigate risk and seize opportunities. Investing is Biblical, but involves risk, such as the stock market. Buying insurance is betting against yourself, so that's gambling too. So does trying a new restaurant or accepting a new job or moving. So, in my current understanding I don't believe gambling is a sin, but I am open to anyone's Bible verses to support another view and specifically what someone thinks wealth through vanity means. God bless.
I'm responding to your reply without reading any of the responses, so my thoughts will stay focused. Just incase there's repeating._..
Being you're still alive, it's not final judgement: Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, 2Peter 3:9, in context read whole chapter. Psalms 48:14, Proverbs 10:12, Proverbs 13:14, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32,
it could be warning from GOD: Psalms 118:18,
or attack not from GOD,: Ephesians 6:12,
Psalms 90,
Jeremiah 18:8,
Psalms 37,
You are angry because of injustice it seems: Exodus 21, Exodus 22, Leviticus 20, Numbers 35, Proverbs 8:36, Genesis 18:19, Proverbs 21:3,
Psalms 73, Jeremiah 27:7-18, Isaiah 58, Isaiah 59, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2,
I would defer here to the Matthew Henry comment listed on this site as a particularly poignant analysis of Psalm 88. The first verse; indeed declares that God is of his salvation; that is the writer of the psalm. No doubt; the fate of Korah himself and some of his sons could fit into this narrative as well. We do well to heed to the warnings of the fate of the afterlife for the lost; as Matthew Henry points out-there is at least there is some natural light in this life. The lamp for the wicked goes out; as other verses state ( Job 18:15; Proverbs 13:9; etc) after death. There is no peace for the wicked ( Isaiah 48:22). As believers; Satan can accuse us and oppress us; to steal our joy and effectiveness. Once the Spirit refreshes us and we repent for misdeeds; then we recognize our Shephard and once again follow the straight and narrow. This is something foreign to the world at large. A self righteous man will never surrender his "righteousness" to God; even in hell; and at that time there is no more grace available. God will simply continue to be an enemy for all eternity. Regeneration; therefore must happen now; in this lifetime. Those who are not one of His children will never desire Christ without Divine revelation and that comes being one of His elect.
The LORD revealed to me after your question. There is significance of the writer of Proverbs, his life & witness of. Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Solomon appears to have written Proverbs chapters 10 through 29. Solomon the son of David Proverbs 1:1, if any man truly understand the grief associated with undisciplined children would be a surviving son of David. Please read the tragic stories of David's children. 2Samuel 13, 2Samuel 15,- 2Samuel 18, 2Samuel 19, 1Kings 1:5-, * 1Kings 1:6 - 1Kings 2,
After 2Samuel 12:10-12,
Eli's sons, 1Samuel 2:12-17, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:27-36, * 1Samuel 2:29, * 1Samuel 3:13, 1Samuel 4:10-22, Samuel's sons were also tragic stories because of lack of discipline. 1Samuel 8, Historically near Solomon's reign.
The rod of Moses & Aaron, brought deliverance to GOD's children Israel & all who obeyed & took shelter with GOD & His children, & judgement to Egypt & those who chose not to.
Hi Joe , for me , there are two groups of people in this world , Christians and none Christians . I view every non Christian as a potential Christian and I therefore try to treat them with kindness and respect . These are probably what most of us think of as sinners . Unless we live on a dessert island or in a closed community of Christians , we are going to come into contact with non Christians . It's not really a Christians place to judge others , though we should defo not be spending more time with them than we need to , for example , if your non Christian workmates want you to go to a casino with them you should probably say no . It's not about judging people as sinners , it's about you , protecting yourself from possibly bad influences and not being confirmed to this world . Somewhere in proverbs it says something like : you shall not follow a group to commit evil . You have to protect yourself from worldly influences while also being a kind and gentle person towards those who are not Christians , because maybe you will be able to introduce them to their Saviour at some point in the future . It's a balancing act , first and foremost you should protect yourself . Find yourself plenty of Christian friends and may God bless you .
Hello Joe. Both the Proverbs & the NT speak of disassociating ourselves from sinners (e.g. Proverbs 22:24; Ephesians 5:11), and the emphasis in the NT is that we are to love all men even as God does, sending His Son for us all. But Jesus adds a command in Matthew 7:6, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
The understanding of this verse, is that Jesus is speaking about the most precious things of the Kingdom, things that are not only beyond fallen man's understanding, but also things that will be perceived as garbage. So Jesus speaks of "that which is holy", referring back to sacrificial times of sacred offering before God, or of the sacred implements used in the service of the Temple which couldn't be handled by non-Levites. Likewise, "neither cast ye your pearls before swine"; the very costliest of jewels of Divine Truth were to be treated carefully & given out judiciously.
Dogs are known for their ferocity when angered, while pigs, for their contentment in wallowing in filth. The imagery is given here of wicked people, who ought to be conscious of their sin & seeking healing for their souls (even as John the Baptist was baptizing only those who so indicated), but these others here continued in their wickedness & filth, having no desire of healing Truth, rather expressing fierceness to it, or being content in living out their evil desires. To these people, Jesus says 'avoid them', for they show by their response & behaviour, that Kingdom life is not what they're seeking - their soul's destiny is not their concern - the response you'll get is ridicule & violent acts against you. So, save those holy words/offerings from these, but give the Good News of the Kingdom to those who are keen to give ear & who consider their own needs & of everlasting life.
What Proverbs says about associating with sinners seems to conflict with the New Testament and how it says to treat sinners.
For example I understand the parable of not casting your pearls before swine to mean that you shouldn't treat people like swine yet proverbs says not to mettle with these types.
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself brings his mother to shame.
Proverbs 19:18
Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare him for his crying.
Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Proverbs 14:3
In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Proverbs 13:24
He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him betimes.
Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Colossians 3:20 - Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 11:19 - And ye shall teach them, your children, speaking of them when thou sit in thine house, and when thou walk by the way, when thou lie down, and when thou rise up.
Comment: When I spanked my son, we had 15 min time outs to let go of anger and fear. I told him exactly why he was being punished.
Later when he began lying I made him a "deal". If he would tell the truth no matter how bad it was: I would forgive him. He learned honesty after that. Later, pride in his responsibility for his own failures.
Book of Proverbs has lots of insight into child rearing. If the scripture says 'beat', it does not mean mark up the child's skin. Teach personal responsibility. Reward when they do things right; a hug, a popsicle and a smile.
Good morning, Proverbs 13:17 tries to warn us that there are messengers that can carry a message that is not true because the messenger is not representing the King of the Kingdom of Peace and Grace as His ambassador. For the Gospel to remain in good health, it has to be in the health, peace and truth of the King, Jesus Christ. He alone is our Lord and King if we are faithful until the end. He is beautiful and at rest. That we can have his ambassadorship in our hearts and lives today.
I take it to believe "yea", may not be him rejoicing but even that, has scripture backing Philippians 4:4-9, James 1:2-4, 1 John 4:18,
even if we walk in/near death we should not fear because GOD promises to be with us (that trust in HIM) Deuteronomy 31:8, Hebrews 13:5-6, John 14:16-21, Psalm 139:1-24, Psalms 37:40,
The rod; Proverbs 13:24, Job 21:9, Proverbs 29:15, Lamentations 3:1, many times references discipline, correction: Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:4-8-11, Staff: Hebrews 11:21, Zechariah 8:4, Exodus 21:19, Numbers 22:27, 2 Samuel 3:29, Judges 6:21
Hopefully these scriptures help you with the HOLY Spirit to understand deeper. John 14:26, James 1:5
I may have discussed this topic in a previous post. Whether or not we consider "free will" to be a factor or not as to our immediate future; there is no doubt that things will end up with the Tribulation; the Millennium rule and final judgment followed by the eternal state. It is clear scripturally that almost all prophecy is conditional in some way; the fact that God does nothing without warning by one or more Prophets ( Amos 3:7). A prime example of this is with Israel and Judah who more often than not missed the mark whether it was the kings; prophets; priests or everyone else in society. Psalms is rife with examples of God's chastisement of the righteous ( Psalm 107 is one good example of this). We even see it with the other nations such as the Amorites and later in the book of Jonah the Ninevites who were given a lengthy respite of several generations before judgment finally came down as mentioned in the book of Nahum.
The statements in the New Testament such as the prophecy of Agabus shown in Acts 11 and 21 showed famine to come and later Paul's imprisonment. In the first case it has been brought to my attention that perhaps that famine either didn't occur or perhaps less severe because of preparations or repentance. That was what my former Pastor stated; not sure if anyone knows the history better than I do. As to the second circumstance; Paul was constrained to be obedient and bold. There wasn't a mandate it seemed for him going to Jerusalem although it seemed he was aware of it being part of God's plan. Perhaps the implication was martyrdom; after all Paul was no stranger to prison.
I tend to look at the "reap what you sow" context works as a sort of guarantee; like prophecy you can be certain that sin will bring forth punishment and trouble even in this life as the end of Proverbs 13:15 indicates. For God's children in rebellion it is only He who can bring real change but the wicked are lost.
Recently; I was given a survey by a pro life organization which asked me about various issues. I stated that all lives; whether born children; elderly or those in the womb should be valued. We clearly live in a suicidal culture where anything of value has been cheapened; and the value of a traditional marriage seems to have been removed as a serious concept. We face challenges from those who would terminate the life of the elderly with "assisted suicide" not just for unbearable pain but for those with various psychological issues. We see unborn life to be considered "parasites" by those in the trending values of society. No doubt the cheap thrills of drugs and the trivialization of the value of life through violent anime has blurred reality from fiction and allowed youth to have less restraint on taking another life to justify their "manifesto" or just in robbing someone of a few dollars.
In the scripture; we know that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23). He judges according to His standards. Deutoronomy 30:19 encourages us to choose life and that benefits our descendants as well (loosely translated). It also gives a choice for cursings or blessings. Joshua 24:15 states to choose who you will serve and later in the verse states "as for me and my house we will serve the Lord."
More homes need this as their standard. Children clearly need care to a certain age; but there are times when unacceptable behavior and disrespect for authority may force the issue and they need to be removed until repentant. The fear of the Lord needs to be something along with respect that obviously is missing in many homes today. Proper firmness is needed and we need to show as parents that if we love God we obey His commandments. ( John 15:10; 1 John 2:3). Proper love means discipline; we cannot follow permissiveness as Proverbs 13:24 states; there are verses that say the soul is saved ( Prov. 19:18) with discipline.
You know Precisely her urgent need. Thank You Lord .
Psalm 38:22 kjv, Proverbs 13:12 kjv, Exodus 14:14 kjv
2Chronicles 32:26,
Hopefully you will find these helpful
I personally think gambling is fine and not a sin as long as it does not come between you and God and is not a stronghold, is not an addiction or a love, and is not through "vanity." Proverbs 13:11. Strong's says vanity is something transitory or unsatisfactory. Others translate this into dishonesty or fraud. I'm currently not thinking this applies to wagering money, but perhaps tax collecting, crooked attorneys, ponzi schemes, surprise fees, billing department dishonesty, or perhaps other activities that are illegal and deceive and harm people.
My personal view on this is that all of life involves risk and not just with money, but with our time, relationships, activities, work, etc. Naturally we try to mitigate risk and seize opportunities. Investing is Biblical, but involves risk, such as the stock market. Buying insurance is betting against yourself, so that's gambling too. So does trying a new restaurant or accepting a new job or moving. So, in my current understanding I don't believe gambling is a sin, but I am open to anyone's Bible verses to support another view and specifically what someone thinks wealth through vanity means. God bless.
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Exodus 22:21-27, Exodus 23:1-12, Deuteronomy 24:12-15, Psalms 14:6, Matthew 25:31-46, Psalms 41:1, Psalms 82:3,4, Psalms 112:9, Proverbs 14:31, Proverbs 21:13, Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21, Luke 14:13,14, Luke 18:22, 2Corinthians 9:9,
Proverbs 13:7,
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Exodus 20:9,10, Exodus 23:12,
Even to build the house of GOD takes work, 2Kings 12:11, 2Kings 22:5,9, 1Chronicles 9:33, Nehemiah 4:21,
Proverbs 26:16, Proverbs 20:4, Proverbs 6:6-11, Proverbs 10:26,
Hopefully these are helpful
Hopefully these are helpful in what you're looking for
I'm responding to your reply without reading any of the responses, so my thoughts will stay focused. Just incase there's repeating._..
Being you're still alive, it's not final judgement: Matthew 4:17, Acts 17:30, 2Peter 3:9, in context read whole chapter. Psalms 48:14, Proverbs 10:12, Proverbs 13:14, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32,
it could be warning from GOD: Psalms 118:18,
or attack not from GOD,: Ephesians 6:12,
Psalms 90,
Jeremiah 18:8,
Psalms 37,
You are angry because of injustice it seems: Exodus 21, Exodus 22, Leviticus 20, Numbers 35, Proverbs 8:36, Genesis 18:19, Proverbs 21:3,
Psalms 73, Jeremiah 27:7-18, Isaiah 58, Isaiah 59, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2,
Ephesians 6:10-18, Ephesian 4:26, Psalms 82:3, Ecclesiastes 5:8,
Hopefully these are helpful
Rod: Exodus 4:17,
Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,
Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,
Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,
Hopefully these are helpful
After 2Samuel 12:10-12,
Eli's sons, 1Samuel 2:12-17, 1Samuel 2:22-25, 1Samuel 2:27-36, * 1Samuel 2:29, * 1Samuel 3:13, 1Samuel 4:10-22, Samuel's sons were also tragic stories because of lack of discipline. 1Samuel 8, Historically near Solomon's reign.
The rod of Moses & Aaron, brought deliverance to GOD's children Israel & all who obeyed & took shelter with GOD & His children, & judgement to Egypt & those who chose not to.
Also 2Samuel 7:14,
The understanding of this verse, is that Jesus is speaking about the most precious things of the Kingdom, things that are not only beyond fallen man's understanding, but also things that will be perceived as garbage. So Jesus speaks of "that which is holy", referring back to sacrificial times of sacred offering before God, or of the sacred implements used in the service of the Temple which couldn't be handled by non-Levites. Likewise, "neither cast ye your pearls before swine"; the very costliest of jewels of Divine Truth were to be treated carefully & given out judiciously.
Dogs are known for their ferocity when angered, while pigs, for their contentment in wallowing in filth. The imagery is given here of wicked people, who ought to be conscious of their sin & seeking healing for their souls (even as John the Baptist was baptizing only those who so indicated), but these others here continued in their wickedness & filth, having no desire of healing Truth, rather expressing fierceness to it, or being content in living out their evil desires. To these people, Jesus says 'avoid them', for they show by their response & behaviour, that Kingdom life is not what they're seeking - their soul's destiny is not their concern - the response you'll get is ridicule & violent acts against you. So, save those holy words/offerings from these, but give the Good News of the Kingdom to those who are keen to give ear & who consider their own needs & of everlasting life.
For example I understand the parable of not casting your pearls before swine to mean that you shouldn't treat people like swine yet proverbs says not to mettle with these types.
Please explain.
Thank you!
Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 29:15, Proverbs 23:13, Ephesians 6:4,
It's been quoted "spare the rod spoil the child" it's about discipline, correcting a child. Hebrews 12:8, Hebrews 12:9, Hebrews 8,
Isaiah 53:5,
Hopefully these are helpful
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself brings his mother to shame.
Proverbs 19:18
Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare him for his crying.
Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Proverbs 14:3
In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Proverbs 13:24
He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him betimes.
Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Colossians 3:20 - Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 11:19 - And ye shall teach them, your children, speaking of them when thou sit in thine house, and when thou walk by the way, when thou lie down, and when thou rise up.
Comment: When I spanked my son, we had 15 min time outs to let go of anger and fear. I told him exactly why he was being punished.
Later when he began lying I made him a "deal". If he would tell the truth no matter how bad it was: I would forgive him. He learned honesty after that. Later, pride in his responsibility for his own failures.
Book of Proverbs has lots of insight into child rearing. If the scripture says 'beat', it does not mean mark up the child's skin. Teach personal responsibility. Reward when they do things right; a hug, a popsicle and a smile.
A sluggard is one who is lazy or idle. Also, one who looks for trouble to get into due to idleness.
A sluggard is one who is lazy, slothful, idle. Also, can be someone who is villianous or up to no good.
Psalms 73:22-28, Titus 3:2-8, Matthew 7:26,
1 Corinthians 4:9-13, Proverbs 4:5-18, Proverbs 5:1-2,
1Corinthians 1:18-31,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study.
But what does this ambassador represent and and of whom does he speak?
The King of Peace reigns in health. It is a true message for every ambassador.
God Bless our faithfulness.
even if we walk in/near death we should not fear because GOD promises to be with us (that trust in HIM) Deuteronomy 31:8, Hebrews 13:5-6, John 14:16-21, Psalm 139:1-24, Psalms 37:40,
The rod; Proverbs 13:24, Job 21:9, Proverbs 29:15, Lamentations 3:1, many times references discipline, correction: Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:4-8-11, Staff: Hebrews 11:21, Zechariah 8:4, Exodus 21:19, Numbers 22:27, 2 Samuel 3:29, Judges 6:21
Hopefully these scriptures help you with the HOLY Spirit to understand deeper. John 14:26, James 1:5