Obedience and faithfulness are good virtues, and it's what God asks of us, but what God wants most from us is our Love, to (Love)Him.
You see, One of God's most highly decorated creation's rebelled against Him in the first world age, deceived 1/3 of His children to stand against Him, and Love not Him but Satan.
So instead of destroying His Children, those who stood against Him, roughly 4 billion, and because He Loves them whereby no matter what they do, if they repent and return to Him He will accept them, thus receiving the gift of eternal life; He destroyed that world age, created this one, sending all souls through human flesh with a letter(bible) and free will to choose who they want to Love.
God knows who you stood with in the first World Age,,, 1/3 stood with God, 1/3 stood with stood, and 1/3 stood idly by and did nothing.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
If you are asking what is God's purpose in knowing all that we will think or do, I must say that God does not choose to be all-knowing. He is all-knowing by nature. But being all-knowing ensures that God will direct history to the end He wills.
If you are asking what is the purpose for us to be able to make choices since God already knows what we will think or do, then their are several ways to think on this. One could think fatalistically thinking that since God knows all I'll ever think or do, what is the point of deciding anything or even caring about how I exercise my will, since God directs it. This is an unbiblical way of thinking.
The other way of thinking is that because God is all-knowing He will determine certain things to happen to us to help us come use our free will to obey Him. He can determine ahead of time certain events to occur in our lives that will strengthen our faith when we are in doubt. He may bring people or events to turn someone away from doing evil or turn someone to do what is right. He can also bring people and events into our lives that will helps us to use our free will to come to Him, follow Him, and serve Him.
God's omniscience does not interfere with our exercise of free will. He is far wiser and powerful enough to bless us, show mercy, and extend grace to us despite regardless of our own choices. He is truly the only FREE being, as nothing restrains Him or determines His ways or influences His choices. We, on the other hand, are influenced by our sinful nature and also by the Holy Spirit. We are limited in where we are born, who our parents are, etc. These are determined by God. We are restrained by forces of nature and by circumstances that make it impossible to do exactly as we please.
The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....
John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....
Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.
Why is creation WAITING?
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.
Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.
Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.
Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....
It is true that God knows ahead of time what we are going to do. This does not mean that it is God forcing us to do things. We make decisions on our own. But something we must keep in mind is that God knows our hearts. In other words, He knows what decisions we are going to make, whether those decision are right or wrong. And He allows us to make decisions. But on the other hand, I believe that what God expects from us is obedience and faithfulness.
God is faithful to us, so it's not much for Him to ask the same in return. But we are constantly faced with decisions in life. What are we going to do? What is the Lord leading us to do? Do we follow the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives, or do we go our own way? This is where the "God already knows who we are and what we going to do" comes in. He knows what decisions we are going to make because He knows our hearts.
Did you know that we make decisions based on who or what we love the most? It's true! For example, the Lord might be leading me to go to Bible study on Thursday night, but the latest movie I have been wanting to see comes out in the theater the same night, and a friend paid for two tickets and wants me to go. Now I have a choice to make. So what do I do? What or who do I love the most? Again, the Lord knows my heart. He knows ahead of time what choice I am going to make. But He doesn't make the choice for me, I make the choice.
So the purpose is that we are to remain faithful to the Lord. What is He leading us to do? He knows our hearts and what choices we are going to make. Are we going to be faithful?
Eternal life is only by the grace of God the Father given through the life death, and resurrection of God's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. We only have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, we are justified by faith without the deeds of the law, but by faith and obedience of the only begotten Son, as He was obedient to the Father Hebrews 5:5-9Matthew 26:38-42
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
When I was young growing up many many years ago, I loved my Dad who has been gone many years now. I knew if I did wrong I would have to face my Dad. Was my fear the punishment I would receive, when I was real young maybe, but later the admiration and love I had for him I feared letting him down, the source of security and love he gave me. We should have a sense of awe and respect for the majesty of God the Father.
In Proverbs 1:7 are we being obedient? Is fear being scared? No! We have His promise, He will never leave us or forsake us, Hebrews 13:5. But with the knowledge that God can be frightening it should give us motivation as sinners to say no to the temptations and riches of this world, for our faith and hope is in the next world to be with our God the Father and Jesus our Lord.
Colossians 3:12-14 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Obedience, not our righteousness which is of the law, but Gods righteousness, a gift through faith in Jesus Christ.
The Spirit of Adoption has been by your side throughout your life.
Psalms 27:10
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Proverbs 6:20
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Proverbs 1:8
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Jesus spoke to John and his mother, from the Cross: behold your mother.
What I perceive, is that at no time in your life were you without a Fathers love. You were adopted. And now you are Gods child through the Salvation of Jesus__which is eternal.
(I think you might get some relief by watching a movie some people don't care for, because the actors have played other movie roles that were evil.)
THE SHACK. In the scene inside the cave, he meets Wisdom. The the truth we suffer between judging and forgiveness is a wide canyon.
I hope like me, you find relief from memories that fight to stay alive. I gave that movie to my brother.
Someone once told me, "that God brings us to Himself, the easiest way we will come." He wants to heal our soul.
He chose soil and moulded Adam into the form all people would be. Since we have the elements within us now: of unique chromosomes and DNA, all of that would pass into future people born. God breathed life into Adams nostrils, the breath of LIFE. Adam was completed. A living, breathing HUMAN being.
God Made Eve from just one of Adams ribs. She had the identical components in her body; plus the capability to bear children. A womb and breasts to feed her children.
We do not know what color Adam and Eve were. Scientists cannot figure it out either. DNA and chromosomes are still mysterious to them. It's still a science not explained. A white woman can be implanted with donated sperm, and give birth to a black (or other colors) child. That's why they separate sperm now, and store it according to the fathers color.
The old days restrictions (by families) of people intermarrying with people of different color, has been abolished. So we currently see what some people call " mixed race families.
All of this is from Gods permissive Will for mankind. It was of man to separate us, and try to restrict inter- marriage.
Restrictions God put upon the Jewish people, is that they marry other Jews. But people will be people, fall in love with other races and religions. The restriction imposed is that the children will be raised as Jewish.
Myself, I'm what one would call a Gentile. Non-Jewish. I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church and was baptized at 12. I will end this there. I hope you can accept how God made this world and the people he put on it. Be at peace. May we do as God spoke into us: be fruitful and multiply.
This world will end because God made a blood covenant with Israel, concerning their land. That was Gods decision.
He made covenant with descendants of Abrahams son, Israel. Jesus is Jewish and we can receive him as savior and Lord; today.
This isolation and repetition of a closed system of gene transmission would produce characteristics specific to each isolated people groups that distinguished them from other isolated groups. This would lead to different "races". But in reality, humans are all one race with consistent variations of characteristics that distinguish them as only human, just like the variations in horses are present but they are all horses, though different breeds created either through natural genetic transmission between an isolated group or manipulated by man.
We are all humans created by God possessing the His image in a way that is not well explained in Scripture. Knowing that we all have this quality placed in us by God we can understand that we are different than the animals in abilities and in intrinsic value. This is why God emphasizes to us to value and protect human life and to avoid ending anyone's life through murder or gross negligence. He says this to Noah ( Genesis 9:6) and through Moses ( Exodus 20:13) and through Jesus ( Matthew 5:21-22).
Jesus even expands this commandment by not actual murder, but by hating another or dehumanizing another person.
We are to love our neighbor as ourselves and do good to others, avoiding harming them. We are to be compassionate and caring towards others regardless of their "looks", ethnicity, or status. We are to be welcoming of those that are not from our "area", treating them justly.
Hi Larry, I found a good explanation on a site that I cannot remember at the moment concerning DNA in Adam and Eve.
Part 1
For a certain trait like physical characteristics each parent has a combination genes that can be transmitted. So, the example i found illustrated it this way:
If both Adam AND Eve had AaBb for a specific trait then these combinations can be transmitted when an egg is fertilized by sperm to form a new person with a DNA genetic makeup that is a combination of the two parents.
So the DNA transmitted for a specific gene can be:
AABB AABb AAbb AaBB AaBb aaBB aaBb aabb
With every child and any child, the combination can be one of these, with each child having a different combination or even the same. In this way, the dominant trait (capital A and B) usually prevails, but not always. So, with the myriad of genes, there can be much variety in characteristics of offspring in subsequent generations as they intermarry with one another.
Genes that would determine characteristics that would lead to a certain race would emerge among the population. So, the entire population would not be homogenous. After the flood, Noah and family must have also possessed combinations similar to Adam and Eve. And the process would have been repeated as it was for Adam and Eve's descendants through Seth. The building of the tower of Babel was used by God to scatter people outward from the Mesopotamian plains to inhabit other areas of the earth as they continued to migrate outwards from this origin over time.
As peoples settled in isolated areas and intermarried with one another, the DNA for specific genetic traits of these people would be repeated more often in their offspring than an anomalous DNA from their predecessors from Mesopotamia.
Why God has Love for Everyone Who Asks of Him - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 2 years ago
All races and colors came from the soil God used to make Adam. So what was in your soil, was passed from generation to generation; based upon the colors that married into your unique bloodline.
In the past decades, the restrictions people had about intermarriage with other colors and cultures was lifted.
We see today the results of that. I am an artist, and I can see the beauty in the blending of colors. I think that is how God views us. Unique and equally precious in His sight. It makes Him happy for us to accept ourselves and conquer our self-images of what we think is perfection.
The more we know about the God of the Bible, and the universe the more we understand the plan He has for all of mankind. He isn't against colors in inter-marriage. He just doesn't want believers in Him to marry the Un-believers. Your going to meet lots of people who no one never told them about God.
You have to decide who you are inside of you, and do you want Jesus to be a part of your life always.
Personally I think it is great inner strength to just say no to the ugliness that is "out there". It becomes easier if you'll hang out with people your own age, in a church near you. You might have to visit 2 or 3, until you find one you feel comfortable in. God will help you choose if you ask Him to.
You can come in here and join us in back and forth conversation any time. We're all different ages, USA and all over the world. Let your friends know about us :)
Get to know everyone. Everyone can pray with you for specific needs. We're here around the clock. I'm your basic night owl lol.
You are going to find you're loved by Jesus, and from all of the regulars in here. We're young, older, all colors; and we all love the Lord and his children. Ask anything.
When Earth Was Turned Upside Down - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 2 years ago
Lucifer was a covering Archangel; 4th in line to Gods throne. He coveted Gods throne, and God had him thrown to earth. His name changed to Satan and his form was that of a serpent. He's described in Isaiah 14.
I was taught Isaiah 24 is a view of pre-Adamic earth.
Scientists have discovered and agree, what happened to earth killed everything at the same time; according to carbon dating of water and land animals.
Isaiah 24:18 refers to Genesis 7:11 and Psalm 18:7 and Psalm 76:12. God dealt with the high demon princes. The flood killed every human or animal bodies, that evil spirits had overtaken. Isaiah 14
Curiously, the scientists agree that the only life (carbon date proves it) that survived, were conies. Proverbs 30:26,
Psalm 104:18. They survived in underground burrows when the dinosaurs were exterminated. Got water from plants alive underground!! That's amazing.
Scientists agree, one single event extinguished all life on earth near the same carbon date. I believe what the Bible says: God turned the earth upside down.
We serve a MIGHTY GOD! Why do we worry at all?
I dutifully watch all those archeology shows on tv media for everybody, not just me. Little conies proved it; and they are in the Bible!! Read those Bible verses.
We are going to be living with this amazing Godhead, in heaven, every single day. ( 2 Peter 3) He is going to purify earth of our lame creations like hideous skyscrapers. No orchards. landscapes of boxy single family homes :/
I want to go to work with Jesus every single day; how about you?
Get a Study Reference Bible, with the Center Columns that have the a-b-c notes that take you to additional scriptures that add more info to what you are reading.
Yes you're going to get the full picture if you are willing to dig down like a Conie.
Wonderful and thought provoking question. I will offer my understanding but look forward to someone who may offer a more appropriate response.
Consider DNA. Many today are taking DNA tests to find they contain small percentages of DNA from other cultures or countries. Example: "white" person in USA contains 3% African DNA or 8% Native American. It comes as a surprise to many. What this means is that our grandfather or grandmother 10x over+ may have had a very different color of skin than we have now.
Within the first man or men of creation there must have been many "kinds" of DNA, race etc. Rather, the first man must have contained all of the traits of all of the races. Was Adam light skinned or dark skinned? Was he both? Consider dominant and recessive traits passed through the generations. Most of us are just mutts!
Food for thought.
Hopefully this helps in some manner and again I'm sure someone with more accurate knowledge can offer a better response than I provided.
Genesis 11:1-10 I believe would answer your question,
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
To put it the simplest way I can, let's look at it like this. God created MAN. Then he fashioned man by dispersion and there came the races. Hopefully someone can go in more detail.
It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;
see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;
he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )
I concur with Your reply to Ken, and GOD'S Word prevails overall; so, Amen!
Actually, prior to having read the topic of discussion between You and Ken, I had received the same revelation regarding the topic, as Your reply, so very well relayed to Ken, who asked a great question, but obviously to no avail.
Furthermore, in which lies the danger of the facade of seeking Knowledge, but only to arrive at the same conclusion of doing whatever one wants to do regardless to Truth, or Scriptures?
Could that really be described as a case of one only seeking confirmation or validation of what one ever one already had in mind to do, prior to having asked the question?
Nevertheless, GOD'S Word triumphs all opinions, and in reference to the Wisdom of GOD:
Proverbs 1:5
"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:"
Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of Knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
PROVERBS 3:15 Meaning from BibleRef website - In Reply on Job 22 - 2 years ago
In this verse Solomon continues to describe the value of wisdom. This continues the poetic representation of wisdom as a woman ( Proverbs 1:20; 3:14). He says wisdom is more precious than jewels, and nothing anyone might desire can compare with wisdom. Proverbs uses the term wisdom in reference to something more than mere intelligence, or knowledge. Biblical wisdom is the ability to apply knowledge in a godly way. That capacity to follow God's will is incredibly valuable-more so than any material possession ever would be.
The Hebrew word translated "jewels" in the ESV is pe'niy'yim, which more or less means "pearls," but can also be applied to all kinds of precious gems. As of this writing, an emerald-and-diamond ring associated with the Rockefeller family carries an estimated value of $5.5 million in United States dollars. A stone known as the Oppenheimer Blue diamond carries a value more than $57.5 million, and the famous Hope Diamond is estimated to be worth $250 million. Nevertheless, none of these gems are as valuable as wisdom.
Furthermore, this Scripture affirms that nothing a person can desire can compare with wisdom. That includes all possessions, accolades, and luxuries. A person may desire fame or fortune, but wisdom is far better. Even ownership of the world's highest priced mansion, automobile, yacht, or private jet cannot compare with the value of wisdom. A truly wise person can enjoy fellowship with God now and forever as well as eternal rewards, whereas a worldly-wise person without God may surround himself with luxuries, but he has nothing of ETERNAL value.
Since I ran out of space I thought I'd add one more comment.
The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.
Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!
A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.
People have freewill:
Psalms 25:12
Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"
Those who understand the Kingdom of God are my mother, my brothers, my sisters, my sons, my daughters. We walk in the Spirit of one God (The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob), the Father in Heaven and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, our only priest and mediator here on earth; for we are waiting patiently to meet Jesus or Yeshua" in the cloud.
You know who you are. Keep the faith and the grace of God. I watch you here on earth.
1 Cor. 11:30 is physical death; referred to as "falling asleep" (see also Acts 7:60). The book along with all the epistles is addressed to the church; with warnings specifically targeted in that direction. The gravity of proper respect at the Lord's supper is a sobering thought here.
There is a great tendency for categorizing people as "saved" or lost without further distinction as to the state of saved people especially. The concept of rewards or loss thereof ( Rev. 3:11) is found in a number of scriptures. Some; no doubt bring forth different levels of fruit ( Mark 4:20). Some make it in but suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). There is also a tendency to brush over sins committed after a confession of faith as somehow not having consequences in the lives of a believer. Again; we see a reference to this in Corinthians about anyone who destroys the "Temple of God". ( 1 Cor. 3:16-17). If we dishonor God we can shorten our life through natural causes; and God's discipline can be part of this refining process even to death. See also 1 Cor. 5:5.
We must keep in mind that as God's children; he "chastises every one He loves." ( Heb. 12:6). We cannot be certain of the salvation of Ananias and Sapphira ( Acts 5:1-11) but it fits the same pattern. Whoever has "tasted and seen" ( Heb. 6:4-5) God's goodness but is not truly Born Again has greater judgment. When we see churches today that clearly lack the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom ( Proverbs 1:7 and other passages); there is a tendency to ignore the exhortations and rebuke which need to be given along with encouragement for the edification of the saints ( 2 Timothy 4:2). Just because as Protestants we don't believe in transubstantiation; we do well to heed to the fact that His presence is in communion. Churches need to emphasize salvation along with living without a LIFESTYLE of unrepentant sin is necessary when partaking in communion. Unforgiveness should also be addressed ( Matt. 5:23-24
shall I do unto thee? and your piety/faithfulness is as a morning cloud,
and as the early dew it goeth away.
5 This is why I hewed them as declared by the prophets; I
have slain them by the words of My mouth: and My
judgment is as light that goeth forth.
6 For I desired lovingkindness/Love, and not sacrifice; and
the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
This is why I hewed them. Heb. idiom, by which the declaration that a thing should be done is spoken of the personal
act of doing it.
Can you please tell what scriptures or book the information is from that you are sharing on the first world age?
Thank you,
RLW
You see, One of God's most highly decorated creation's rebelled against Him in the first world age, deceived 1/3 of His children to stand against Him, and Love not Him but Satan.
So instead of destroying His Children, those who stood against Him, roughly 4 billion, and because He Loves them whereby no matter what they do, if they repent and return to Him He will accept them, thus receiving the gift of eternal life; He destroyed that world age, created this one, sending all souls through human flesh with a letter(bible) and free will to choose who they want to Love.
God knows who you stood with in the first World Age,,, 1/3 stood with God, 1/3 stood with stood, and 1/3 stood idly by and did nothing.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
If you are asking what is God's purpose in knowing all that we will think or do, I must say that God does not choose to be all-knowing. He is all-knowing by nature. But being all-knowing ensures that God will direct history to the end He wills.
If you are asking what is the purpose for us to be able to make choices since God already knows what we will think or do, then their are several ways to think on this. One could think fatalistically thinking that since God knows all I'll ever think or do, what is the point of deciding anything or even caring about how I exercise my will, since God directs it. This is an unbiblical way of thinking.
The other way of thinking is that because God is all-knowing He will determine certain things to happen to us to help us come use our free will to obey Him. He can determine ahead of time certain events to occur in our lives that will strengthen our faith when we are in doubt. He may bring people or events to turn someone away from doing evil or turn someone to do what is right. He can also bring people and events into our lives that will helps us to use our free will to come to Him, follow Him, and serve Him.
God's omniscience does not interfere with our exercise of free will. He is far wiser and powerful enough to bless us, show mercy, and extend grace to us despite regardless of our own choices. He is truly the only FREE being, as nothing restrains Him or determines His ways or influences His choices. We, on the other hand, are influenced by our sinful nature and also by the Holy Spirit. We are limited in where we are born, who our parents are, etc. These are determined by God. We are restrained by forces of nature and by circumstances that make it impossible to do exactly as we please.
The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....
John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....
Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.
Why is creation WAITING?
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.
Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.
Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.
Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....
BELIEF will judge UNBELIEF.
God Bless YOU, his body.
It is true that God knows ahead of time what we are going to do. This does not mean that it is God forcing us to do things. We make decisions on our own. But something we must keep in mind is that God knows our hearts. In other words, He knows what decisions we are going to make, whether those decision are right or wrong. And He allows us to make decisions. But on the other hand, I believe that what God expects from us is obedience and faithfulness.
God is faithful to us, so it's not much for Him to ask the same in return. But we are constantly faced with decisions in life. What are we going to do? What is the Lord leading us to do? Do we follow the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives, or do we go our own way? This is where the "God already knows who we are and what we going to do" comes in. He knows what decisions we are going to make because He knows our hearts.
Did you know that we make decisions based on who or what we love the most? It's true! For example, the Lord might be leading me to go to Bible study on Thursday night, but the latest movie I have been wanting to see comes out in the theater the same night, and a friend paid for two tickets and wants me to go. Now I have a choice to make. So what do I do? What or who do I love the most? Again, the Lord knows my heart. He knows ahead of time what choice I am going to make. But He doesn't make the choice for me, I make the choice.
So the purpose is that we are to remain faithful to the Lord. What is He leading us to do? He knows our hearts and what choices we are going to make. Are we going to be faithful?
Eternal life is only by the grace of God the Father given through the life death, and resurrection of God's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. We only have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, we are justified by faith without the deeds of the law, but by faith and obedience of the only begotten Son, as He was obedient to the Father Hebrews 5:5-9 Matthew 26:38-42
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
When I was young growing up many many years ago, I loved my Dad who has been gone many years now. I knew if I did wrong I would have to face my Dad. Was my fear the punishment I would receive, when I was real young maybe, but later the admiration and love I had for him I feared letting him down, the source of security and love he gave me. We should have a sense of awe and respect for the majesty of God the Father.
In Proverbs 1:7 are we being obedient? Is fear being scared? No! We have His promise, He will never leave us or forsake us, Hebrews 13:5. But with the knowledge that God can be frightening it should give us motivation as sinners to say no to the temptations and riches of this world, for our faith and hope is in the next world to be with our God the Father and Jesus our Lord.
Colossians 3:12-14 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Obedience, not our righteousness which is of the law, but Gods righteousness, a gift through faith in Jesus Christ.
God bless,
RLW
Psalms 27:10
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Proverbs 6:20
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Proverbs 1:8
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:
Jesus spoke to John and his mother, from the Cross: behold your mother.
What I perceive, is that at no time in your life were you without a Fathers love. You were adopted. And now you are Gods child through the Salvation of Jesus__which is eternal.
(I think you might get some relief by watching a movie some people don't care for, because the actors have played other movie roles that were evil.)
THE SHACK. In the scene inside the cave, he meets Wisdom. The the truth we suffer between judging and forgiveness is a wide canyon.
I hope like me, you find relief from memories that fight to stay alive. I gave that movie to my brother.
Someone once told me, "that God brings us to Himself, the easiest way we will come." He wants to heal our soul.
Peace be with you, Mishael.
He chose soil and moulded Adam into the form all people would be. Since we have the elements within us now: of unique chromosomes and DNA, all of that would pass into future people born. God breathed life into Adams nostrils, the breath of LIFE. Adam was completed. A living, breathing HUMAN being.
God Made Eve from just one of Adams ribs. She had the identical components in her body; plus the capability to bear children. A womb and breasts to feed her children.
We do not know what color Adam and Eve were. Scientists cannot figure it out either. DNA and chromosomes are still mysterious to them. It's still a science not explained. A white woman can be implanted with donated sperm, and give birth to a black (or other colors) child. That's why they separate sperm now, and store it according to the fathers color.
The old days restrictions (by families) of people intermarrying with people of different color, has been abolished. So we currently see what some people call " mixed race families.
All of this is from Gods permissive Will for mankind. It was of man to separate us, and try to restrict inter- marriage.
Restrictions God put upon the Jewish people, is that they marry other Jews. But people will be people, fall in love with other races and religions. The restriction imposed is that the children will be raised as Jewish.
Myself, I'm what one would call a Gentile. Non-Jewish. I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church and was baptized at 12. I will end this there. I hope you can accept how God made this world and the people he put on it. Be at peace. May we do as God spoke into us: be fruitful and multiply.
This world will end because God made a blood covenant with Israel, concerning their land. That was Gods decision.
He made covenant with descendants of Abrahams son, Israel. Jesus is Jewish and we can receive him as savior and Lord; today.
Streetpreacher
This isolation and repetition of a closed system of gene transmission would produce characteristics specific to each isolated people groups that distinguished them from other isolated groups. This would lead to different "races". But in reality, humans are all one race with consistent variations of characteristics that distinguish them as only human, just like the variations in horses are present but they are all horses, though different breeds created either through natural genetic transmission between an isolated group or manipulated by man.
We are all humans created by God possessing the His image in a way that is not well explained in Scripture. Knowing that we all have this quality placed in us by God we can understand that we are different than the animals in abilities and in intrinsic value. This is why God emphasizes to us to value and protect human life and to avoid ending anyone's life through murder or gross negligence. He says this to Noah ( Genesis 9:6) and through Moses ( Exodus 20:13) and through Jesus ( Matthew 5:21-22).
Jesus even expands this commandment by not actual murder, but by hating another or dehumanizing another person.
We are to love our neighbor as ourselves and do good to others, avoiding harming them. We are to be compassionate and caring towards others regardless of their "looks", ethnicity, or status. We are to be welcoming of those that are not from our "area", treating them justly.
Part 1
For a certain trait like physical characteristics each parent has a combination genes that can be transmitted. So, the example i found illustrated it this way:
If both Adam AND Eve had AaBb for a specific trait then these combinations can be transmitted when an egg is fertilized by sperm to form a new person with a DNA genetic makeup that is a combination of the two parents.
So the DNA transmitted for a specific gene can be:
AABB AABb AAbb AaBB AaBb aaBB aaBb aabb
With every child and any child, the combination can be one of these, with each child having a different combination or even the same. In this way, the dominant trait (capital A and B) usually prevails, but not always. So, with the myriad of genes, there can be much variety in characteristics of offspring in subsequent generations as they intermarry with one another.
Genes that would determine characteristics that would lead to a certain race would emerge among the population. So, the entire population would not be homogenous. After the flood, Noah and family must have also possessed combinations similar to Adam and Eve. And the process would have been repeated as it was for Adam and Eve's descendants through Seth. The building of the tower of Babel was used by God to scatter people outward from the Mesopotamian plains to inhabit other areas of the earth as they continued to migrate outwards from this origin over time.
As peoples settled in isolated areas and intermarried with one another, the DNA for specific genetic traits of these people would be repeated more often in their offspring than an anomalous DNA from their predecessors from Mesopotamia.
In the past decades, the restrictions people had about intermarriage with other colors and cultures was lifted.
We see today the results of that. I am an artist, and I can see the beauty in the blending of colors. I think that is how God views us. Unique and equally precious in His sight. It makes Him happy for us to accept ourselves and conquer our self-images of what we think is perfection.
The more we know about the God of the Bible, and the universe the more we understand the plan He has for all of mankind. He isn't against colors in inter-marriage. He just doesn't want believers in Him to marry the Un-believers. Your going to meet lots of people who no one never told them about God.
You have to decide who you are inside of you, and do you want Jesus to be a part of your life always.
Personally I think it is great inner strength to just say no to the ugliness that is "out there". It becomes easier if you'll hang out with people your own age, in a church near you. You might have to visit 2 or 3, until you find one you feel comfortable in. God will help you choose if you ask Him to.
You can come in here and join us in back and forth conversation any time. We're all different ages, USA and all over the world. Let your friends know about us :)
Get to know everyone. Everyone can pray with you for specific needs. We're here around the clock. I'm your basic night owl lol.
You are going to find you're loved by Jesus, and from all of the regulars in here. We're young, older, all colors; and we all love the Lord and his children. Ask anything.
Streetpreacher
I was taught Isaiah 24 is a view of pre-Adamic earth.
Scientists have discovered and agree, what happened to earth killed everything at the same time; according to carbon dating of water and land animals.
Isaiah 24:18 refers to Genesis 7:11 and Psalm 18:7 and Psalm 76:12. God dealt with the high demon princes. The flood killed every human or animal bodies, that evil spirits had overtaken. Isaiah 14
Curiously, the scientists agree that the only life (carbon date proves it) that survived, were conies. Proverbs 30:26,
Psalm 104:18. They survived in underground burrows when the dinosaurs were exterminated. Got water from plants alive underground!! That's amazing.
Scientists agree, one single event extinguished all life on earth near the same carbon date. I believe what the Bible says: God turned the earth upside down.
We serve a MIGHTY GOD! Why do we worry at all?
I dutifully watch all those archeology shows on tv media for everybody, not just me. Little conies proved it; and they are in the Bible!! Read those Bible verses.
We are going to be living with this amazing Godhead, in heaven, every single day. ( 2 Peter 3) He is going to purify earth of our lame creations like hideous skyscrapers. No orchards. landscapes of boxy single family homes :/
I want to go to work with Jesus every single day; how about you?
Get a Study Reference Bible, with the Center Columns that have the a-b-c notes that take you to additional scriptures that add more info to what you are reading.
Yes you're going to get the full picture if you are willing to dig down like a Conie.
Mishael
Wonderful and thought provoking question. I will offer my understanding but look forward to someone who may offer a more appropriate response.
Consider DNA. Many today are taking DNA tests to find they contain small percentages of DNA from other cultures or countries. Example: "white" person in USA contains 3% African DNA or 8% Native American. It comes as a surprise to many. What this means is that our grandfather or grandmother 10x over+ may have had a very different color of skin than we have now.
Within the first man or men of creation there must have been many "kinds" of DNA, race etc. Rather, the first man must have contained all of the traits of all of the races. Was Adam light skinned or dark skinned? Was he both? Consider dominant and recessive traits passed through the generations. Most of us are just mutts!
Food for thought.
Hopefully this helps in some manner and again I'm sure someone with more accurate knowledge can offer a better response than I provided.
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
To put it the simplest way I can, let's look at it like this. God created MAN. Then he fashioned man by dispersion and there came the races. Hopefully someone can go in more detail.
God bless.
Wisdom [is] too high for a fool
It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;
see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;
he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )
I concur with Your reply to Ken, and GOD'S Word prevails overall; so, Amen!
Actually, prior to having read the topic of discussion between You and Ken, I had received the same revelation regarding the topic, as Your reply, so very well relayed to Ken, who asked a great question, but obviously to no avail.
Furthermore, in which lies the danger of the facade of seeking Knowledge, but only to arrive at the same conclusion of doing whatever one wants to do regardless to Truth, or Scriptures?
Could that really be described as a case of one only seeking confirmation or validation of what one ever one already had in mind to do, prior to having asked the question?
Nevertheless, GOD'S Word triumphs all opinions, and in reference to the Wisdom of GOD:
Proverbs 1:5
"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:"
Proverbs 1:7
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of Knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
King James Version (KJV)
The Hebrew word translated "jewels" in the ESV is pe'niy'yim, which more or less means "pearls," but can also be applied to all kinds of precious gems. As of this writing, an emerald-and-diamond ring associated with the Rockefeller family carries an estimated value of $5.5 million in United States dollars. A stone known as the Oppenheimer Blue diamond carries a value more than $57.5 million, and the famous Hope Diamond is estimated to be worth $250 million. Nevertheless, none of these gems are as valuable as wisdom.
Furthermore, this Scripture affirms that nothing a person can desire can compare with wisdom. That includes all possessions, accolades, and luxuries. A person may desire fame or fortune, but wisdom is far better. Even ownership of the world's highest priced mansion, automobile, yacht, or private jet cannot compare with the value of wisdom. A truly wise person can enjoy fellowship with God now and forever as well as eternal rewards, whereas a worldly-wise person without God may surround himself with luxuries, but he has nothing of ETERNAL value.
Love you in Christ Jesus!
The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.
Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!
A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.
People have freewill:
Psalms 25:12
Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"
Psalm 119:30
Luke 16:13
Proverbs 3:31
Fear God:
Joshua 24:14
Psalms 25:12
Proverbs 1:29
Seek God:
Psalms 63:1
All will be judged:
2 Corinthians 5:10
Romans 2:16
John 12:48
Hebrews 9:27
Revelation 20:12
2Chronicles 7:14, 1Peter 3:12, humble ourselves, turn from evil, 1Timothy 2:8, James 5:10-12,
Even when things look impossible keep praying: Isaiah 38:1-9, Matthew 9:29, Matthew 17:14-21, Matthew 7:7-8, Luke 11:9-13, Acts 12:5-18, James 5:13-20
Never give up
Psalms 37, 1Thessalonians 5:17, James 5:16,
You know who you are. Keep the faith and the grace of God. I watch you here on earth.
I love you all!
Deuteronomy 4:6, 1Kings 3:5-15,28, 2Chronicles 1:10-12, 1Kings 4:29,30,34, 1Kings 10,
Psalms 37:30, Psalms 49:3, Psalms 51:6, Psalms 111:10, Proverbs 1:1-7, Proverbs 2:6-10, Proverbs 8,
Hopefully these are helpful
There is a great tendency for categorizing people as "saved" or lost without further distinction as to the state of saved people especially. The concept of rewards or loss thereof ( Rev. 3:11) is found in a number of scriptures. Some; no doubt bring forth different levels of fruit ( Mark 4:20). Some make it in but suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). There is also a tendency to brush over sins committed after a confession of faith as somehow not having consequences in the lives of a believer. Again; we see a reference to this in Corinthians about anyone who destroys the "Temple of God". ( 1 Cor. 3:16-17). If we dishonor God we can shorten our life through natural causes; and God's discipline can be part of this refining process even to death. See also 1 Cor. 5:5.
We must keep in mind that as God's children; he "chastises every one He loves." ( Heb. 12:6). We cannot be certain of the salvation of Ananias and Sapphira ( Acts 5:1-11) but it fits the same pattern. Whoever has "tasted and seen" ( Heb. 6:4-5) God's goodness but is not truly Born Again has greater judgment. When we see churches today that clearly lack the fear of the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom ( Proverbs 1:7 and other passages); there is a tendency to ignore the exhortations and rebuke which need to be given along with encouragement for the edification of the saints ( 2 Timothy 4:2). Just because as Protestants we don't believe in transubstantiation; we do well to heed to the fact that His presence is in communion. Churches need to emphasize salvation along with living without a LIFESTYLE of unrepentant sin is necessary when partaking in communion. Unforgiveness should also be addressed ( Matt. 5:23-24
Proverbs 1:5-7, 1Corinthians 12, 2Peter 1:20,21,