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Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six things doth the LORD HATE: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Proverbs 11:2 - When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the PRIDE of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (Satan)

1 Corinthians 7:14

The children of believing parents are "holy," meaning "set apart." God considers such a child to be "clean." That does not mean "sinless," but they are still legally clean in His sight. They are therefore acceptable in His presence and have the opportunity to have true success in life as a result. They have the chance to believe God, to cast their lot with Him, and to be spared the horror of having to face many of the evils in this world.

But, just as parents can lose their sanctification, so children who are set apart can also lose their status. Law plays no favorites. It does not care whether one is male or female, or thirteen, nineteen, or ninety-three. If a ninety-three year old male jumps off the 80th floor of the Empire State Building, which direction will he go? What if a 16-year old girl does the same thing? The law of gravity does not play favorites.

Law does not care what one's race, sex, or age are. If parents who are sanctified break the laws of God persistently, they will lose their sanctification. If a seventeen-year-old does the same thing, even though his parents are sanctified and a child is held to be clean because of God's judgment, he can lose his too.

For a child who is sanctified, even though unconverted, there is still a great deal that he will be held accountable for. "To whom much is given, much is also required." Jesus does not say that this only applies to converted parents.

The child's sanctification gives him the advantage of access to God. Because of that access, he has the guidance of God available to him, and from that guidance he can form a proper vision of what he wants to do with his life ( Proverbs 29:18). This allows him to see what he wants to do in terms of conduct-what he wants to pursue, the way he wants to do work, the attitude he has toward other people, parents, neighbors, fellow-employees, etc.

Also read through Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28: blessings and curses regarding obedience

Hi Debbie, the reality is we do what is important to us. If something is truly important and a priority to you, you will do it. There's plenty of time inbetween sleeping, eating, working for reading the Bible. We all have 24 hrs a day- will we spent it in pursuit of God and investing treasures in heaven or will we waste it on trivial things like entertainment that have no lasting value?

Matthew 6:19-21

How does a person become diligent in putting aside some time during the day for bible reading. It seems I can find the time for every thing else but that. I really am seeking for a sidewalk with Christ...it just seems that I cannot get and remain focused to reading the word.

Thank you

Thank you for your beautiful comment. His precious promises never fail and never go back to Him void.

A wonderful testimony of your love & faithfulness to the Lord your God. May you always find your complete delight only in Him. Psalm 37:3-7 for you.

Many people believe that the soul leaves the body during near-death experiences and survives after death, but in 20 years of research on out-of-body and near-death experiences I never found any convincing evidence that this is so.

I love the Lord God with all of my heart, mind and soul... He who is sovereign, reigns forever, rules Creation, the heavens and earth, beyond space and time; He who IS all Light, all Sound, all Vibration, all knowing, all seeing, always present and all powerful. There is none like Him, none before Him, none like Him after. All praises to the Sovereign Source of All. In Him I live, I breathe and I have my being.

Hello Jay,

Hopefully we are all focusing on the same God here. The one and only true living Holy God who is our eternal Father. If you believe everybody just goes to sleep, when they die, for however long that's your belief. And I see no need to quarrel about it. Really nobody can prove, or disprove, this.

All I might say is what do you think about all the people who have been "clinically dead" and have experiences out of body, in a paradise or Heaven, and seeing past relatives whom they knew? Maybe one thing in the Bible is when Jesus is transfigured and Moses and Elijah appear and talk with Him. They weren't sleeping.

I believe when my life is over here my destiny is to be with our Father, and Christ, in the Kingdom of Heaven. Only one way to find out.

Peace be with you brother. God Bless.

I believe I gave scriptures to back up what I said. Everyone is welcomed to post their own comments; and you did. Noted.

I do not think about whether or not people are looking down on me. My focus is more evangelistic. People need to have faith in Jesus Christ and just accept what He said in HIS WORD.

My brain leaps over to facts: We must be born again and ready to go with Jesus every day or night... to see our loved ones that have gone before us. I think the best part of going to Heaven; is seeing Jesus in the flesh...in His home.

Once I asked my mother who rarely read her blue Bible: why don't you read your Bible? Don't you want to know what Jesus is like? Most people want to know what a person is like. If you're going to spend eternity with Someone...generally we want to know them well.

The Bible is the only way to get to know your Lord and Savior, is to pursue Him. (Song of Solomon). We are a Bride and He is our Bridegroom. Jesus purchased us with his very best gift; His sinless blood. The deal is sealed. We await the approach of the Bridegroom, come to fetch his Bride!

We have eternity to find all of our relatives :). Mishael

Can People in Heaven See Earth Events - in Reply on Proverbs 29:2

No, of course not, how absurd, and Ephesians 1:3, certainly does not prove otherwise, Mishael.

By all biblical accounts, when one dies, they go to sleep until judgement day and their resurrection.

The God I believe and trust is NO respecter of persons. My God would not take persons to heaven, to enjoy thousands of years of blissful joy while other Christians are here on earth, working hard, many suffering, and having faith of such joy when they die.

More to the point, sinners would have been sent to eternal punishment in hell? and would have been suffering for 10's of thousands of years while their followers are still living on earth today. This is not the god I WOULD WANT TO PUT MY TRUST IN. How cruel would be such a belief.

And then, on judgement day, all Christians in heaven must leave , be judged, and then sent back to heaven again. All sinners would be released from hell?, judged, and then sent back again. How absurd.

I pray for those that would believe the above, and wish for their asking God to sent his Holy Spirit for their understanding.

I praise God, Thank You Jesus. Let us all depend ONLY on the Holy Spirit for understanding.

"Yes, the Bible assures us that Heaven is a place of absolute happiness and joy and peace-far greater than anything we'll ever experience right now. The Bible says, "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ" ( Ephesians 1:3).

Do those in Heaven know what's happening on earth? The Bible doesn't answer all our questions about Heaven-but it does indicate that those who have already entered Heaven may be aware of events on earth. The book of Hebrews, for example, pictures life as a great arena, with those who have gone before us cheering us on in our daily spiritual struggles (see Hebrews 12:1).

Once when Jesus' appearance was changed and His heavenly glory shone through, Moses and Elijah spoke with Him about events on the earth (see Luke 9:30-31).

Does this mean people in Heaven are sad when evil seems to be winning the day?

No, not at all. For one thing, they (unlike us) see the whole picture; they know that even in the midst of life's heartaches and trials, God is still working behind the scenes. They also know that Satan is a defeated foe, and some day all evil will be destroyed and Christ will rule in perfect peace and justice."

Comment by Billy Graham

Who better to answer this question? I've seen the scriptures mentioned. I always think of them cheering us onward. To avoid pity parties with myself. To never doubt what the Word teaches. Mishael

This was the very thing on my mind yesterday, Matthew. With all that's going on here on Earth & as we rapidly head towards a major upheaval, if not the advent of the anti-Christ, I was thinking of those redeemed from the Earth & their view of anything outside of Heaven.

I can't give any specific Scriptures to help understand this as the Bible doesn't generally deal with departed souls having any interest or view of earthly matters. We do have a couple of other separate portions as seen in 1 Samuel chapter 28 (some see this as the real Samuel being called up, others see it as an impersonating spirit) & Luke 16:19-31, where the rich man in Hades has concern for his maybe equally sinful brothers. But how these two portions of Scripture help in knowing whether our departed loved ones have knowledge of Earth's affairs is uncertain. Maybe, they will look keenly as to how the Word/prophecies of the Lord are being accomplished on the Earth as declared by the Lord.

But to spend their time focused on worldly events & family/friends on Earth instead of worshipping of the Lord, delighting in His Presence & Glory & attending to Heaven's activities, may be like the earthling with his face buried in his phone oblivious to what's happening around him. Can't see that happening in Heaven. Just my musings.

Will those who have transitioned know what's going on on earth?

Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell. Scripture does not support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "Sheol." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection.

In the New Testament, we find the story of Lazarus and the rich man who both died and went to Hades ( Luke 16:19-31). The King James translates the Greek word "hades" as hell but most other translations use the Greek word. Hades had two separated parts. Those who died in faith believing in God's promise waited for the resurrection in Abraham's Bosom. Those who died spiritually separated from God wait in torment for the resurrection unto death, or eternal separation from God. The rich man was on the torment side and Lazarus was in Abraham's Bosom, which was called "paradise" by the LORD Jesus Christ when He addressed the thief who found faith the day Jesus was crucified ( Luke 23:42-43)

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" ( 2 Peter 2:4). The word translated "hell" here is not the Greek word "hades" but is the Greek word "tartarus" meaning abyss or the lowest regions. This could very well be the "gulf" that was fixed between the place of torment and Abraham's Bosom ( Luke 16:26).

Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fulfill all things Eph 4:8-10. Leading captivity captive seems to refer to Jesus taking all those that waited in Paradise to heaven to be with Him. The descending into the "lower parts" then refers to Jesus mission of declaring victory

My question is: any there anybody being tormented in hell ?

if we all have to stand before the great white throne judgement,

hell should be empty.

but i am reminderd that the rich fool lifted up his eyes in hell being tormented in flames.

thank you very much for clarity

sincerely cornell b flagg.

My question is: any there anybody being tormented in hell ?

if we all have to stand before the great white throne judgement,

hell should be empty.

but i am reminderd that the rich fool lifted up his eyes in hell being tormented in flames.

thank you very much for clarity

sincerely cornell b flagg.

Why don't we take a break, studying and expound on the BOOK OF JOEL ?8

It's one you have to read slow with the Commentary. Bible verses related to Dreams And Visions:

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Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17 - And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, SAITH GOD, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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Numbers 12:6 - And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

Proverbs 29:18 - Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Daniel 1:17 - As for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.

Amos 3:7 - Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his SECRET unto his SERVANTS the prophets.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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>> Top 2 verses say almost the same thing except in Acts it says Thus saith GOD. So if a prophet speaks Thus Saith The Lord; that had better of been from God and not the pizza you ate at 3am. God speaks to us by the Holy Spirit (which is the Spirit of Jesus).

He speaks and then we repeat; word for word. Write it down and date it.

I've found that the Book of Daniel goes forward and skips backward again. We have to hear the Holy Spirit teach that Book.

Mishael

Verse 11-We must learn to control our emotions and not say everything that comes to our mind. We want to explain ourselves in a calm manner.

Mikell, the matter of predestination is in the realm of God's Plan & Prerogative for each one of us. When God tells us that we are sinners & that the only way back into a right relationship with Him is through faith in the finished work of Christ at the Cross, then surely that requires a response from us.

Jesus is God's Gift of salvation to every one, every sinner - we need to respond to receive it. You must have believed the Gospel at some point: isn't that belief then classified as a 'work'? Or maybe, you have not believed, & feel that since you have been predestined & regardless of any response to God, you would just drift towards eternity based on being predestined.

I think you may be confusing someone's 'works' towards gaining salvation as opposed to a repentant sinner responding with conviction to a Merciful God & a response of love, accepting & believing in the Son of God. I think responding to God is the correct natural thing to do, just as you would respond to someone giving you a gift. Or would you?

accepting Jesus is not a work. Its by faith. By faith are you saved not of works.

i think the idea that you have to accept jesus to enter heaven is blasphemy. WHen these type of believers read the Bible, they have to skip multiple paragraphs talking about how Jesus saves you without works. Accepting Jesus is a work. In Ephesians, they have to skip many verses talking about predestination. So now, they have cherry picked Bible versions that are fake, just made for their type of belief. That is why the KJV is the superior verson

Another words, teach them the difference between right and wrong or good and bad, no matter whether they tell you or not.

Stephen, what saith the Scriptures concerning the wilful taking of life (murder) of another? Our governments, for their own reason, promote their own agenda rather than abide by the Holy requirements of God's Laws. But we rest on Rom 12:19, "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

types of heavens

The Fear of the LORD...is to Depart from evil.

The Beginning Of Evils.

Isaiah 5:20

Proverbs 29:2 I'm mourning.

NONE YA on Proverbs 29

this is probably one of the best chapters in proverbs as well as in the Bible it really helped me with a problem i have been dealing with im not gonna say of course but please read this chapter and enjoy it

this is probably one of the best chapters in proverbs as well as in the Bible it really helped me with a problem i have been dealing with im not gonna say of course but please read this chapter and enjoy it

Proverbs 29:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.

Boy, this is true in order to live a righteous life. I like to speak my mind but I want it to be right; pausing is usually best and listening. My idea of a good discussion is to give something of value to the other party as I am getting insight from them.